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I think Diamond and Pearl...? I don't know why it doesn't appeal to me. I like the Mystery Dungeon games and original games better. Diamond and Pearl just has too many gimmicks
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Old March 26th, 2013, 02:43 AM
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I think you guys are missing the point. Overrated doesn't mean "worse". A lot of people hate 5th gen, how can it be "overrated"?
I think you're misunderstanding the term overrated.
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Speaking strictly amongst the Pokemon fanbase here, Gen 5 is definitely too overrated. It gets to the hyperbolic points at most times, as well. You only, or mostly, see any hate for it from people with nostalgia sitting on their head, who probably don't even play Pokemon anymore. Gen 5 is completely flawed (and that's a different topic), but is praised far too much like it's the next best thing. Hence, it's more overrated than Gen 2 and 1. I don't know about you but I also see far more praise for gen 5 and more hate for gen 1 and 2. (Case in point, this forum.)




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Which is why my assessment of 3rd gen is accurate. A lot of people are pushing GF to do remakes, so a lot of people are singing praises of 3rd gen nowadays, but it really wasn't all that great, at least not enough to place it above the other gens. Hoenn was a big turnoff to me, because, while it's definitely a beautiful and varied region, it didn't have the "feel" of a Pokémon game. It felt way too different from GSC. All the other games, I felt I was playing a Pokémon game, because the general "feel" was there. I was immediately immersed in Platinum when I first played it, and also Black. Ruby, not so much.
See, that's your opinion. To you it doesn't seem like a Pokemon games, but to me it sure as hell is more Pokemon than anything after. When talking on the grand schemes of things, R/S/E are good, if not great. Great region with so many thing to explore (the sea isn't and shouldn't be a problem), great selection of Pokemon, just the right difficulty, a good starting point to the series without being too overwhelming, nicely paced and has aged pretty well. R/S/E is the most versatile of the Pokemon games. The reason people suddenly praise it now though, is because the young people who had R/S/E as their first game are now old enough to speak nostalgic about it. Nostalgia isn't the praise it deserves, but the games are good enough to warrant it.

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And Emerald's story sucked. Pokémon games aren't known for their good stories. Having the worst story among them is quite sad.
Opinion. Again. Though it at least was straight to the point and not as cliche as B/W and B/W2.
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I think you're misunderstanding the term overrated.
Speaking strictly amongst the Pokemon fanbase here, Gen 5 is definitely too overrated. It gets to the hyperbolic points at most times, as well. You only, or mostly, see any hate for it from people with nostalgia sitting on their head, who probably don't even play Pokemon anymore. Gen 5 is completely flawed (and that's a different topic), but is praised far too much like it's the next best thing. Hence, it's more overrated than Gen 2 and 1. I don't know about you but I also see far more praise for gen 5 and more hate for gen 1 and 2. (Case in point, this forum.)
It is that good. It has the fastest and best battle system. Maybe the region is bland, which was fixed with B2W2, but it's quite difficult for me to go back to static sprites after playing BW.

However, the 5th gen haters are at least as vocal as the 5th gen praisers, so there's a balanced view on it, therefore 5th gen is not overrated.

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See, that's your opinion. To you it doesn't seem like a Pokemon games, but to me it sure as hell is more Pokemon than anything after. When talking on the grand schemes of things, R/S/E are good, if not great. Great region with so many thing to explore (the sea isn't and shouldn't be a problem), great selection of Pokemon, just the right difficulty, a good starting point to the series without being too overwhelming, nicely paced and has aged pretty well. R/S/E is the most versatile of the Pokemon games. The reason people suddenly praise it now though, is because the young people who had R/S/E as their first game are now old enough to speak nostalgic about it. Nostalgia isn't the praise it deserves, but the games are good enough to warrant it.
And you fight my opinion with another opinion. This will get nowhere, of course.

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Opinion. Again. Though it at least was straight to the point and not as cliche as B/W and B/W2.
IMO it was the worst plot because of how ridiculously stupid the evil teams' goals were. I was, what, 16 when I first played Ruby, so I already had some understanding that, if you evaporate most of the world's water, or if you flood the world's landmasses, nothing good will come out of it. It was an attempt at touching on the subject of global warming and other environmental issues, but one that was extremely childish and downright silly.
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It is that good. It has the fastest and best battle system. Maybe the region is bland, which was fixed with B2W2, but it's quite difficult for me to go back to static sprites after playing BW.

However, the 5th gen haters are at least as vocal as the 5th gen praisers, so there's a balanced view on it, therefore 5th gen is not overrated.
Fastest, definitely. Best? Not really. (speaking as a retired competitive battler.) The region is awful because of the main design of it, which is linear in its core, so B/W2 doesn't fix anything. And B/W's animated sprites for gen 1-4 Pokemon are lazy and jagged. (Aren't they just stretching and cropping sprites passed off as "animation"?) I don't see how that has to do with anything anywya, but I'd take anti-aliased still sprites over that, personally.

Like I said, strictly within the fanbase. The gen 5 praise is far too hyperbolic at times.

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And you fight my opinion with another opinion. This will get nowhere, of course.
None of what I said is strictly opinions. If it was, I'd have said the region is boring (too huge for my liking) and the selection of Pokemon is yawning because I don't like a lot of the Pokemon available personally. I wouldn't have been in this thread to begin with because I actually think the Pokemon series is some of the most boring and yawn inducing RPGs ever. Doesn't mean I don't have to acknowledge that the region is well designed for exploration and secrets and the Pokemon selection is versatile enough to make a good enough team without much flaws.



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IMO it was the worst plot because of how ridiculously stupid the evil teams' goals were. I was, what, 16 when I first played Ruby, so I already had some understanding that, if you evaporate most of the world's water, or if you flood the world's landmasses, nothing good will come out of it. It was an attempt at touching on the subject of global warming and other environmental issues, but one that was extremely childish and downright silly.
You're taking a childish and silly story that was purposely childish and silly because the target audience are children a bit logically.
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Gen II is clearly the most overrated of the series, since it's highly regarded as the best. It's true that Gen II has brought us two new types, held items, breeding, and the Special split, but in-game wise, it was step backwards from its predecessor:

- There's still too little Ghost and Dragon types
- Wild Pokemon are underleveled, making it difficult to level grind to lvl 100
- Kanto Pokemon are hogging all of the spotlight when it's suppose to be Johto's Pokemon
- Some Johto Pokemon aren't even available in Johto but instead in Kanto
- There really isn't anything to do in Kanto other than battling the gym leaders
- Jotho's gym leader rosters aren't so well-organized, as some of them use Kanto Pokemon as their signature Pokemon rather than a Jotho Pokemon, and some use 2-4 Pokemon from the same evolutionary line
- There are no trainers in Victory Road
- Lance's 3 underleveled Dragonites
- No Sneasal and Tyranitar on Karen's team

HeartGold and SoulSilver ignored fixing these problems while adding a tedious way to rematch the gym leaders that isn't like how it was done in Platinum.
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4th gen...More specificly HG and SS.
That walking with pokemon thing is waaaaaaay too overrated
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A lot of people hate 5th gen, how can it be "overrated"?
Gen. V is overrated mainly because the gaming magazines and websites loved it and considered it the best of the series. Famitsu gave it 10/10, IGN gave it 9/10, and many were praising it as a "return to the series' origins" which it really isn't.

Plus, I have seen quite a bit of love for this generation on this forum, more love than for any of the other generations. In fact, of all the Pokemon forums I have seen, this is the one that throws around the slang term of "Genwunner" more than any other forum. This is the forum where Gen. V is regarded as the best.

So yeah. Gen. V is definitely the most overrated.
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Considering that lots of people on here are saying Gen 5 is overrated then likely will think Gen 6 will be more overrated then 5
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I feel like the praise that Gen 5 gets as a whole is largely as a result of the bashing it immediately received from the people who regard the original 151 as the best (not using the term Genwunner; it's kind of idiotic.) It's sort of the mentality that "it's the least popular Gen and I have to stick up for it and shove its positive qualities in everyone's faces". I feel as if, out of most people that I talk to, Gen 5 definitely gets the most flak. Even objectively useless mons like Burmy didn't get as much hate as Vanilluxe and Garbodor. I also don't feel that review sites are the best way to determine what is overrated; I mean, sure, it satisfies the most literal definition of the term, but it's mostly one person's (albeit, more influential than most) opinion. It's more what the community as a whole feels about a specific aspect or product that makes it overrated, and if it gains a folkloric reputation for something that it doesn't deserve. That's how I see it, anyway. (There's also a whole spiel about reputability I can go on about referencing review sites and such, but that's a bit of an unrelated tangent to go off on.)

This all may be because Gen 5 is the most recent Gen, but I digress.

That said, I cast my vote for Gen II. It did many things right - nerfing Psychic, introducing many cool mons as well as breeding and held items, and having the most Gym Leaders and other such bosses to fight out of any gen. I just don't find Johto interesting. At all. The gym leader's sets, apart from notable ones like Bugsy and his Scyther and oh god miltank of doom, are boring to battle and don't have much diversity (Janine's team in particular is pretty nonsensical with things like String Shot Ariados and Foresight on mono-Psychic attacking Venomoth in postgame. Pryce's team of Seel/Dewgong/Piloswine isn't very interesting either, especially considering Jasmine outlevels him??? Even the Champion fails to impress because all he does is spam underlevelled Dragonite.) Also, with all of the things it changed from Gen I, it retained its broken Stat Exp system, which is rather silly.

Also, need I mention its grinding? Especially for Red. Ugh. I just don't feel it deserves all of the praise it gets. Even HG/SS is overrated - same boring Johto, same horrific grinding. At least it has EVs and more interesting leader sets.

I'm also minded to include Gen I here, but it's the opposite situation with Gen V; anti-nostalgic people saying "oh look Gen I isn't that great because xyz reasons" is kind of rampant where Gen V hate can be found. :/ I hate the Special stat, above most things, but that doesn't really make it overrated. I mean, it kind of introduced the concept of the series, which is sort of a big deal I guess.
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A couple months back, I would've instantly said the third generation in Hoenn. But the more I look through the pokemon I realize how many of them I actually did like. The story was one of the better ones too IMO. Johto was perfect.

I'd say my least favorite was Diamond and Pearl. It was slow, I hated all the characters, and the fact that all the pokemon pretty much sucked....aside from the evos from previous gens...yeah, 4th gen is the worst for me
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I think you guys are missing the point. Overrated doesn't mean "worse". A lot of people hate 5th gen, how can it be "overrated"?

Which is why my assessment of 3rd gen is accurate. A lot of people are pushing GF to do remakes, so a lot of people are singing praises of 3rd gen nowadays, but it really wasn't all that great, at least not enough to place it above the other gens. Hoenn was a big turnoff to me, because, while it's definitely a beautiful and varied region, it didn't have the "feel" of a Pokémon game. It felt way too different from GSC. All the other games, I felt I was playing a Pokémon game, because the general "feel" was there. I was immediately immersed in Platinum when I first played it, and also Black. Ruby, not so much.

And Emerald's story sucked. Pokémon games aren't known for their good stories. Having the worst story among them is quite sad.
Take into account what you just said. You said the fifth gen isn't overrated because it is 'worse', yet you immediately jump into how the third gen is overrated, and because—in a nutshell—you think it's 'worse'. Where's the logic in that?



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It is that good. It has the fastest and best battle system. Maybe the region is bland, which was fixed with B2W2, but it's quite difficult for me to go back to static sprites after playing BW.
Like Spinosaurus said, fast battling doesn't equal a good battling system, and if you ask me, Game Freak made a horrible decision on animating non-antialiased sprites.



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And you fight my opinion with another opinion. This will get nowhere, of course.
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IMO it was the worst plot because of how ridiculously stupid the evil teams' goals were. I was, what, 16 when I first played Ruby, so I already had some understanding that, if you evaporate most of the world's water, or if you flood the world's landmasses, nothing good will come out of it. It was an attempt at touching on the subject of global warming and other environmental issues, but one that was extremely childish and downright silly.
It's quite hypocritical of you to complain about the third gen's plot and how 'horrible' it was, while ignoring the fact that the plot in Generation V was practically nonexistent.
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I feel that the first generation is hugely overrated. I've been playing the series since the start but now I think people praise it far too much. Sure it was the first but the pokemon weren't that creative....it's bizarre how people actually say that the newer pokemon are less creative and that game freak are running out of ideas. They're astronomically more creative than the first gen was.

1st gens answer to evolution most of the time was: stick some extra heads on it.....

I still love the first gen (it's actually not my least favourite gen) but it's terribly overrated by fans.
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1st gen. I mean it was the begging but the games actually were not that good.
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Gen II.
There were so many flaws with G/S/C. The main two:
1. Underlevelled Pokémon everywhere.
2. Johto Pokémon weren't featured enough. I mean, Lance had 3 Dragonites. Really? And Morty had 2 Haunters. And a Gengar.
And Game Freak did nothing to fix any of the flaws in HG/SS. Which means it's like playing G/S/C with updated graphics.
Honestly, with Gen III, it doesn't get enough praise. There's something from /v/ or /vp/ floating around somewhere, while being sarcastic, actually has a lot of good points about Hoenn. It's more the vocal 'le 151 Pokémon were the best Johto onwards sucks ecks dee' putting down the newer generations.
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Gen I was by far the most overrated.

I bought Blue back in the day and loved it but it shouldn't be put on the pedestal it's on. Sure it's the first of it's kind and thus I'd easily rate it among the best Pokemon games but it was flawed and also buggy at times as well.

It's funny how people claim RBY were the only good games when GSC and BW made multitudes of improvements.

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It really is First Gen when it all come down to it. Maybe not in Pokemon Design, but everything else is basically nostalgia filtered glory.
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Why is it that I feel fifth gen is overrated? Maybe because I really didn't feel it was up to the "Dream Game" standards, which most people thought it was. I mean, it was really cool and all, but it was lower than that of people's views.
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Generations I and II, considering I class them as the same Generation. Honestly, I've never finished HeartGold or SoulSilver (couldn't play the original G\S\C because I don't have a GameBoy or GameBoy Colour) because they're not interesting enough to make me want to play them. I've also never even managed to get to Lt. Surge in FireRed because the game bores me so much.

Adding on to this, I still pick up Emerald (first Pokémon game), Platinum and White 2, even though I'm actually lost in Emerald (finished the game, went into the Magma Hideout and I've been lost in there for years), so I personally find those Regions more enjoyable.
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I feel them the second gen is over rated..

1. Kanto take half the Johto dex
2. you can not get the good Johto pokemon until Kanto part
3. Red beginning final boss not the champion.
4. lack of MissingNo!
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I would have to say Gen 3.

Whilst the Hoenn games did give us better graphics, added a new dynamic with Pokemon natures and gave more variety to the landscaping that we previously had, it also gave us a plethora of useless features. To name a few:

1. Contests

2. Secret Bases

3. The most moronic antagonists in the Pokemon franchise (Seriously, what did Chuck and Maxie hope to gain by either flooding the world, or making it a barren wasteland. Until they unleashed hell, they didn't think that they would be dooming the world's population, including themselves. WTH!!! Giovanni was a mob boss, so we understood his motivations, Cyrus and N both had expressed ideals and Ghetsis was a cut rate Giovanni, so we understood where the rest of those antagonists were coming from, but not these clowns.)

4. Those annoying water paths.

5. The need to constantly use about a million HMs in every dungeon. (the only thing that I could find worse is defog)


Gens 1 and 2 are a tad bit overrated, but justifiably so. Gen 1 laid the foundation for Nintendo's second most successful franchise and Gen 2 set the tone for how the franchise would later evolve. Gen 3, though it has made some significant contributions, I found to add the most useless and nonsensical gimmicks to the franchise.

Whist I find Gen 4 in Sinnoh continued this trend, it did add alot more significant contributions to the franchise (the physical/ special move divide, better moves, more evolutions to pre existing Pokemon) and it's nowhere near as loved as the Hoenn games (thus, can't be any more overrated than those games are).

As far as Unova goes, I rather enjoy Gen 5 (though not as much as the originals) and love the additions of Audino training, unlimited tms (who doesn't) and the legendaries in that region.
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5. The need to constantly use about a million HMs in every dungeon. (the only thing that I could find worse is defog)
Mt. Coronet would like to have a word with you.

To get to Spear Pillar in Diamond and Pearl (They luckily toned it down in Platinum), you need:
Rock Smash
Strength
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Defog
Rock Climb

That is unforgivably bad.
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Mt. Coronet would like to have a word with you.

To get to Spear Pillar in Diamond and Pearl (They luckily toned it down in Platinum), you need:
Rock Smash
Strength
Surf
Defog
Rock Climb

That is unforgivably bad.

Mt. Coronet is unforgivably bad, but Victory Road in Hoenn ranks alongside it. You need:
Strength
Rock Smash
Flash
Surf
Waterfall

As I've said, Gen 4 continued most of these annoying trends, but Gen 3 is ultimately the more popular of the two, hence why I rank it as more overrated.
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we are not debating about which generation was the best (just reminding the community and myself)

as for me, I think Gen I too is the most over rated generation. But still it has my respect for starting it all. Sure the game is outdated but we don't need to compare it to its successors especially in terms of content.

they were not developed at the same time and of course with each generation improvements are expected. if your gonna compare a new generation to an old one in terms of content then of course the new one will win.

about gen II being overrated: No it is not over rated, considering how much gap the franchised jumped in terms of improvement from Gen I to Gen II.

i can even say it is under rated, it is just too awesome. all the features introduced made a big shift to the whole franchise (gender, dual typing, new types, breeding, egg hatching, night and day many more)

Plus it feels more like a sequel than BW2 is to BW

compare that to the useless features that were added on Gen 3-5
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