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Old April 7th, 2013, 07:15 PM
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It could be it's pure form. It looks less evil, that's for sure.
To me the glazed over pupils makes it look mindless and even more evil. Almost as if it's a creature that knows nothing but to destroy. It almost seems as if Mewbuu (love that name) was the first unsuccessful clone of Mew, (or the second if you believe that Ditto is also a failed cloneof Mew) hence the tail being on it's head, proportions of its arms, fingers and toes being all messed up, and its eyes not even being fully developed.
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As I recall, they marketed the kyurem forms as new pokemon. But no. They're not new pokemon. Just forms. So yeah. It could be a new pokemon, but considering it'll also be in the new movie, my money, quite honestly, is that "mewtwo's awakening" will cause it to transform into that.
I think they called them new Pokemon because they're a fusion of two Pokemon. Rather than a single Pokemon changing itself, Kyurem absorbs another to become something else.

I'm really hoping it's a new Pokemon, forms are pretty boring. I'd only be okay with it being a form if it had something to do with the Berserk Gene. But, then again, event (I'm assuming it would be an event..) Pokemon that never leave my box are pretty boring anyway, so....

But for now I'm calling it Mew-Z because it looks like a modified Mewtwo, making it similar to the Porygon family, (Name, Name 2, Name-Z) each being a modified version of the previous one and would also give us the Z to our X and Y. ;P
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I do wonder how the second forme will look...what if the other one looks older than Mewtwo...almost like it's changing it's age...linking of the theory of genes impacting aging.
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A good point is raised. There is only one Genesect. However, with the Drives, those are all Formes. That is why I think Mewtwo's is also Formes.

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His shiny is the same as Mewtwo's so that basically confirms it's an alternate form.

You already said its fake...that was also a dirty trick.

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Ditto's shiny is the same as Mew's so that basically confirms they're the same thing.

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Actually they are similar, not the same. They are a few shades off from one another, not the same colors. Also Gamefreak debunked the relationship. Ditto was made before Mew. Mew itself was a gag and introduced without many people knowing once the games were finished. Mew itself was never supposed to exist, which is why a few of the early games have the Mew Glitch. Ditto on the other hand was designed based after a smiley face. Ditto can transform into any Pokemon because all Pokemon have a face. *Latter half is me not GF*


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Well Ditto and Mew are the only two Pokemon that can transform to any other pokemon so there's a connection there
Mew can trasform because of the supposed Ancestor thing. Ditto can transform because all pokemon have a face. See above for full details. XD

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I think they called them new Pokemon because they're a fusion of two Pokemon. Rather than a single Pokemon changing form, Kyurem absorbs another to become something else.

I'm really hoping it's a new Pokemon, forms are pretty boring. I'd only be okay with it being a form if it had something to do with the Berserk Gene. But, then again, event (I'm assuming it would be an event..) Pokemon that never leave my box are pretty boring anyway, so....

But for now I'm calling it Mew-Z because it looks like a modified Mewtwo, making it similar to the Porygon family, (Name, Name 2, Name-Z) each being a modified version of the previous one and would also give us the Z to our X and Y. ;P

The reason for Kyurem to be called new Pokemon actually makes a lot of sense. Kyurem is also the only Legend to have stat changes thanks to Reshiram and Zekrom. Only other Pokemon that does that is Rotom thanks to the appliances he takes over.

As for names, I'm hoping they do something a little more original than Z or a number. They most likely won't but still I hope they do.
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Maybe it'll be Mewtres? (Mew+ Spanish for three) no that sounds like Moltres...maybe Mewtrois? (Mew+french for three). I know still number, but if they do another language it'll seem more original than making it three...if it is a new Pokémon. Now if it's forme I'm guessing they'll be called Mewtwo X and Y, and maybe be like Deoxys during Gen IV, having their forms depend on the version, but with the ability to get the other by using keys or something that has to do with linking with the other version.
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As I said in another thread, we could be looking at that image all wrong. We know that there are 5 Genesect in the movie, with the shiny one being the leader. It could instead be a team vs team idea, and Mewtwo is the leader of his team, along with this New-Mew and some other pokemon.
I would think that, if a new Pokémon is introduced in a movie, it would be the star of the movie. It happened with Lucario and Zoroark. This time, however, the star is Mewtwo, so why introduce a brand new Pokémon as an underling of Mewtwo? It would be an underwhelming and, IMO, pointless reveal. The new mon would have to be as strong or stronger than Mewtwo to impress viewers, not an underling.

Which is why I insist on my forme theory. All the recognizable body features of Mewtwo are there, except the red eyes (Mewtwo's are purple). It uses the same palette as Mewtwo. Even Mew doesn't look as close to Mewtwo as this new thing.
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FTR, Movie 15 underwhelmed me entirely. They met Keldeo and devised a plan to help him. This could have been done in two anime episodes.

So I'm honestly worried for #16.

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I guess this new Pokemon could be a earlier version of mewtwo. Perhaps Mewbeta or Halfmew would be the names.

The design of this does look like mew slightly more than the finished clone, so that's my theory.

I do hope it isn't Mewthree, too obvious.
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FTR, Movie 15 underwhelmed me entirely. They met Keldeo and devised a plan to help him. This could have been done in two anime episodes.

So I'm honestly worried for #16.

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I enjoy watching the anime and movies, but they have always had one weakness. Story. Movie 15 was stupid because the battle between Keldeo and Kyurem meant nothing. There was no threat and nothing was a risk.

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FTR, Movie 15 underwhelmed me entirely. They met Keldeo and devised a plan to help him. This could have been done in two anime episodes.

So I'm honestly worried for #16.

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That's nothing really new, they've been getting progressively worse since the 4th or 5th one. Those were the last ones I've seen.
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Movie 14 actually wasn't too bad. Movie 13 I haven't seen yet, nor 12, as I started the B/W series after seeing some of the D/P series.

Some anime episodes are better than others, too.

I just keep thinking of each new movie as an extended anime episode. You could in many cases fit it into three episodes of the anime. People in the U.S. didn't embrace the theatre idea, though I do recall in The Power of One the Slowking turned to the audience in the ending talking to Team Rocket, gesturing to the theatre. That was interesting, to say the least.

I liked the Lucario movie as well. I thought that one had a good story.

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Hey guys, let's keep all talk about the movies in the Pokémon Anime forum, alright?

...I'll just pretend you all nodded your head "OK" in response to that.

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This is what I think too, or at least what I'm hoping for. I like the idea of "Newtwo" being a failed experiment instead of an evolution or the obvious alternate form for Mewtwo (or Mew).
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That was a good movie, too.

NEway, back on topic. The reason I'm against evolutions being at play, other than legendaries being involved, is because the "tail" on Mewtwo is "hair" on this new one. I can't see even in the most unlikely evolution scenario this happening.

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That's nothing really new, they've been getting progressively worse since the 4th or 5th one. Those were the last ones I've seen.
Last one I saw, I think, was Jirachi. What was that? Fifth? Sixth? Card was cool.

As for Mewbuu, I don't really mind that Mewtwo was altered / this Pokemon was based off of Mewtwo. It doesn't "ruin" my childhood whatsoever. It takes an old storyline - create the strongest Pokemon in the world from the genes of an ultra rare, never-really-seen-before Pokemon called Mew - and revives it into something new and modern. What I really wonder is: since Team Rocket did it, why (since then) has no one else attempted it? It actually felt weird that no one else was going after what, in Kanto's age, was apparently the "strongest Pokemon in the world;" it's like the idea died with Mewtwo.

Now, given everyone's memories were erased at the end of Mewtwo Strikes Back, you might think that no one suddenly thought of it again. Well, I'm sure computer data files were not wiped (nothing mentioned of that in the film - only human memories of the "bad guys") and that paperwork and data would still be lying around HQ. The lab was destroyed in Pokemon: The First Movie, but I doubt they didn't have online back-ups or anything; thus, why didn't Team Rocket realize that they had that data, or why did no other criminal organization think about it when Mew was universally known as the "strongest Pokemon" in existence?

Or maybe they were so off elsewhere that the legend of Mew was never revealed to them? In that case, all of this region-crossing would allow for such information to fall on the ears of such a criminal organization foreign to TR and Kanto, and thus allow for a Mewbuu mutation or development to occur.

Forme or not, I'm just glad they revived something that inexplicably died with Mewtwo Strikes Back. Humans want power. If Mew is the most powerful Pokemon in existence, then someone ought to have picked up on that after the first movie's sequel; especially since they're developing more "technological" regions like Unova.
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Team Rocket didn't canonly create Mewtwo in the Games. And thus far the only group that has tried to make a Powerful artificial Pokemon have been Team Plasma, of course N shut down the project so Genesect never got the same kind of Power as Mewtwo.

Either way I wonder if this new forme/new Pokemon will learn "all" moves like Mew or if it'll still have the normal Mewtwo set.
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Team Rocket didn't canonly create Mewtwo in the Games. And thus far the only group that has tried to make a Powerful artificial Pokemon have been Team Plasma, of course N shut down the project so Genesect never got the same kind of Power as Mewtwo.

Either way I wonder if this new forme/new Pokemon will learn "all" moves like Mew or if it'll still have the normal Mewtwo set.
Regardless, Mewtwo appeared in R/B/Y, and the only way to explain his existence is through the anime's telling of Team Rocket creating it. Its PokeDEX data also suggests the same thing that occurred in the anime also occurred in-game, under the player's nose:

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It doesn't say it was Team Rocket, but they say in-game that they're always after the strongest Pokemon, and that their plans were always foiled somehow by the player. What were those plans? Conquering the world? Theirs was more geared towards finding and stealing the world's strongest Pokemon... and since Giovanni was such a powerful influence (and a lot of his "Rockets" were scientists and engineers in-game, too), it can be suggested that even in R/B/Y, Mewtwo was the result of Team Rocket's lust for the world's most powerful Pokemon. Also, a lone team of scientists probably wouldn't have the funding Giovanni could have made available, being a mobster and all (and just look at that suit; the guy's obviously loaded). If he didn't start it, I bet'cha Giovanni at least funded the operation.

That's what I'm going with, anyway. Regardless, Team Rocket or not, it was genetically engineered, so why did no one attempt this after Mewtwo "ran away" and hid in Cerulean Cave, apparently never to be seen again (until you stumble on it... but that's not even part of the storyline and could be skipped / missing entirely)?

Still doesn't make much sense, and still makes me happy to see that after four generations (not including R/B/Y), this was finally revisited. Yay, Mewbuu.
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I'm fairly certain its a new pokemon because if its Mewtwo's evolved form....ughh yeah with eviolite, Mewtwo would become a absolute monster. He would have crazy high def/spd, in addition to his already high spe/spa. Its more likely to be Mewtwo's baby form if its related to Mewtwo.
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It doesn't say it was Team Rocket, but they say in-game that they're always after the strongest Pokemon, and that their plans were always foiled somehow by the player. What were those plans? Conquering the world? Theirs was more geared towards finding and stealing the world's strongest Pokemon... and since Giovanni was such a powerful influence (and a lot of his "Rockets" were scientists and engineers in-game, too), it can be suggested that even in R/B/Y, Mewtwo was the result of Team Rocket's lust for the world's most powerful Pokemon. Also, a lone team of scientists probably wouldn't have the funding Giovanni could have made available, being a mobster and all (and just look at that suit; the guy's obviously loaded). If he didn't start it, I bet'cha Giovanni at least funded the operation.

That's what I'm going with, anyway. Regardless, Team Rocket or not, it was genetically engineered, so why did no one attempt this after Mewtwo "ran away" and hid in Cerulean Cave, apparently never to be seen again (until you stumble on it... but that's not even part of the storyline and could be skipped / missing entirely)?

Still doesn't make much sense, and still makes me happy to see that after four generations (not including R/B/Y), this was finally revisited. Yay, Mewbuu.
It's a convenient explanation, but it's head canon based on how little the game tells us.

Adding spice to it, it's possible Giovanni was after the Master Ball (I'm not sure why he invaded Silph but this is a likely reason) with the specific intent of capturing Mewtwo.

But really, Mewtwo and the whole Cerulean Cave are just a reward for completing the game. They added a little story to justify his existence, but that's all.
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Yeah, can only speculate since nothing's actually said :v we'll always interpret things the way we want to see 'em anyway lol unless we're told from Nintendo otherwise.

Should see all the Mewbuu complaint threads on Facebook lol I'm in one group for X&Y and people are annngrrryyyyy XD but like I said, I'm glad they're revisiting something that was suddenly dropped after Gen I.
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Now that Yusshin mentions it, the First Movie and Mewtwo Strikes back aside, in-game there really isn't much we know about Mewtwo and its specific origins or history. So I actually do appreciate them taking the opportunity of the genetics storyline that will likely take place in X/Y and revisiting something that is actually still a bit of mystery today.

I still genuinely hope that Newtwo is its Pokémon though. It seems like it'll be easier to explain than Mewtwo suddenly getting some sort of new form anyway.
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I wonder... when this Pokemon is introduced, I assume that we'll see it somewhat in a setting like we did in Mewtwo's original movie...? By this I'm referring connected to a machine etc, and that'd be how this one is brought to life too??
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When they first Announced 'Mewthree' all I asked to myself was..."So Pokemon Scientists/Team Rocket didn't learn anything, previously from the ordeal that Mewtwo brought up"

Mewthree is prob like a lot of people stated a borderline fail and success. Either way. It's Mewtwo vs Mewtwo and Freezas love child, Mewthree. If it comes down to a fight of course.

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Thought about this last night. Cinnabar has that destroyed lab with Mew documents. Inside, there are scientists that use very Rocket-like Pokemon. It's similar to the movie where Mewtwo destroys the Rocket's lab and escapes to some off-coast rickety ol' island-like cave thing to clone its own Pokemon (Cerulean Cave?)

I'm just thinking that since the Mewtwo story wasn't really a "big thing" in R/B/Y (it was a small post-game side-quest with brief explanation, if you chose to read them, on Cinnabar Island), the company may have tried to better explain what occurred through the movies. Makes sense, anyway. Also, someone mentioned maybe they took over Silph Co. for the MasterBall... After Mewtwo's escape, is it not possible that they wanted the MasterBall to firmly capture and seal Mewtwo from ever disappearing again? Especially since in-game, Giovanni is automatically Badge Eight, meaning any caught Pokemon *has* to obey. If he used the MasterBall on his escaped-Mewtwo, it would have to obey him and conquering the world would never be easier for him.

Gen VI ought to be a way for them to actually explain, sans movie references, what happened with Mewtwo, and if Team Rocket was ever involved as shown in the film (and minorly suggested in the games).

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- Giovanni employs Rocket scientists to make the world's most powerful Pokemon from Mew's genes /non-canon
- Scientific Lab on Cinnabar (with scientists carrying "traditional" Rocket Pokemon) is destroyed /canon&non-canon
- Mewtwo escapes and isolates himself on an island /canon&non-canon
- Silph Co. is taken over by Team Rocket and Giovanni. Silph Co. is famous for its PokeBall technology; thus, Giovanni was probably after a MasterBall /canon&speculation
- Giovanni plotted to use the MasterBall against Mewtwo, his escaped "creation" /speculation

And it's possible the new team (or maybe TR returns) finds the scattered papers at Cinnabar Lab and Mewbuu is the result of that? We shall see.
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I have a feeling that if it is a forme, they won't use the same forme change method in the anime as in the games similar to how Kyurem changed formes freely in the anime, but had to fuse with one of the other dragons in the game. Either way I look forward to playing the games to find out the truth behind this new Mewtwo forme/ Mewtwoesque pokemon.
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