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Jynx was originally darker than now, but they changed it due to the controversy it caused.

Maybe it's Magic type? Sylveon has struck me as a magical girl eeveelution
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Old April 18th, 2013 (10:46 AM). Edited April 18th, 2013 by RandomDSdevel.
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I'm still calling any Mewtwo forme fake until they're confirmed a real thing.

I honestly do think it's possible we will get a Sableye evolution. It's odd how there's a random Sableye appearing in the next movie and that just hints something to me.
Maybe it's hinting at the Hoenn remakes that we, especially those of us frequenting the RSE Remake Speculation Thread on this site, all want?

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Hopefully, I don't want to hear peoples rants about it even a year after the games have come out like with some of the Unova Pokémon.

Have anyone noticed how thus far the only Pokémon revealed that weren't revealed in the trailer when the games were announced aka Sylveon and Mewtwo (forme)/three are connected to Kanto. May other Kanto Pokémon appear? Because it seems there's quite a focus on Kanto as of right now. I'm hoping we get some more original gen 6 and evolutions/ Pokémon related to gen 2-5.
Maybe GameFreak plans to give us all a nostalgia trip? I hope that this turn of events ends up revealing a lot of modifications to the Hoenn region's evolution trees even with all of the Kanto nods being released to the public right now because I want that region's games to be remade, but I should probably have left that in the RSE Remake Speculation Thread. Thing is, though, that X and Y have disrupted the thought processes of everyone who was there by redirecting them over here…but, never mind, it's probably not my place to complain about all of this. The best I can hope for is that the X/Y regional 'Dex contains a lot of Hoenn (pre-)evos. hinting towards such remakes while I wait for them, thus allowing me to enjoy X and Y (it is highly likely that I will even if the Hoenn remakes don't come out in the one- or two-year–lagged timeframe that Hoenn fanboys expect.

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It'd be cool if it was some failed Mew experiment; hence the similarities to Mewtwo. I really hope it's not a Mewtwo evolution/alternate form-surely, even Gamefreak is not capable of producing such blasphemy. I guess we'll just have to wait and see.
Yeah, I agree: if legendary Pokémon ever receive evolutions, I want their occurrence to be limited to event locations such that most people never see them except in the official PokéDex (guide volume 2.)

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Oh right, I forgot about that. But idk, we only just got MewZ info even still not so long ago, and given how slow they are with information, they might just end up making us wait another month (also we know more at this point than we did in Generation 5 despite information being slowww).
Hmmm…does that mean that Generation VI is going to be way bigger than Gen. V (or even number IV?) The latest released Generation of Pokémon was, after all, shorter than Gens. II-IV—i.e.: about the same length as Generation I. Maybe GameFreak started working on X/Y either in the middle of HarmoKnight's development, which I think started in the middle of Generation V's development, or when the company got the 3DS SDK?
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Maybe it's hinting at the Hoenn remakes that we, especially those of us frequenting the RSE Remake Speculation Thread on this site, all want?

I don't know, to me one evolution of a 3rd gen Pokemon that is only rumored ,doesn't really hint at a RSE remake. Though this is an interesting speculation and I know there's lots of possible hints that we might be getting a remake in the future. I definitely want one too, cause Gen III has to be my favorite generation.
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Its not even proof it's even getting an evo or anything, it could just be that Sabelye has some sort of role in the film's story. Im not ruling out an evo, but that dosent nessesarily mean it evolves in the movie. I dont see it as a real hint to RSE remakes, which even if they are to be made, won't be for quite a while, considering X and Y havent even been released yet.
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you know, i think Lt. surge gonna return this generation.
in pokemon heart gold and soul silver for a normal pikachu he will give you a french one, also its known to us he partiipated in a war, and france is country that in the past had a fight(and you even can call it war) against the kingdom. maybe the new region had some war in the past also and this is the war that Lt. surge participate

what do you think?
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Yesh first talk about the third version and now remakes coming out...I think we're getting ahead of ourselves here xD

I just hope Kanto's lines don't hug the spot light, which really should belong to gen 6's natives.
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If anything Mewtwo getting a new Form screams Gen 1 reremake over Hoenn Remake. I mean how many times did people say there was concrete proof that we'd get RSE remakes in 5th Gen? Did we? Nope, which means more than half of the remake thread speculation was sheer coincidence and nothing more.

I keep hearing a rumor that the Sableye belongs to one of the heros. So it may be there because it belongs to Ash, Cilan or Iris. It may even bee the new guy's Pokemon. The blond with the Blue and Green badge from the new video.
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If anything Mewtwo getting a new Form screams Gen 1 reremake over Hoenn Remake. I mean how many times did people say there was concrete proof that we'd get RSE remakes in 5th Gen? Did we? Nope, which means more than half of the remake thread speculation was sheer coincidence and nothing more.

I keep hearing a rumor that the Sableye belongs to one of the heros. So it may be there because it belongs to Ash, Cilan or Iris. It may even bee the new guy's Pokemon. The blond with the Blue and Green badge from the new video.
which sableye you are talking about? it seems to me that you are refer to trailer(tell me if i'm wrong) but i didn't saw one in the new trailer, can tell me more about these?

if one of the main characters in the anime will get a sableye i'm 100% sure it will get an evolution(like what happend to ash' aipom and gligar), but it seemes weird to me because usually the main charcters in the anime don't get those pokemon with the shady aura
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If anything Mewtwo getting a new Form screams Gen 1 reremake over Hoenn Remake. I mean how many times did people say there was concrete proof that we'd get RSE remakes in 5th Gen? Did we? Nope, which means more than half of the remake thread speculation was sheer coincidence and nothing more.
A Gen 1 re-remake or a Gen 3 remake would make more sense in Gen VI than Gen V because of the time periods. FR/LG took place in the same timeline as R/S/E, and HG/SS took place at the same timeline as D/P/Pt. Mewtwo's new forme pretty much hinted that XY is going to take place in the same timeline as FR/LG/R/S/E. A Gen 3 remake in Gen V would make little sense since Gen V is set years after the events of all four previous gens.
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Quote originally posted by Pinkie-Dawn:
A Gen 1 re-remake or a Gen 3 remake would make more sense in Gen VI than Gen V because of the time periods. FR/LG took place in the same timeline as R/S/E, and HG/SS took place at the same timeline as D/P/Pt. Mewtwo's new forme pretty much hinted that XY is going to take place in the same timeline as FR/LG/R/S/E. A Gen 3 remake in Gen V would make little sense since Gen V is set years after the events of all four previous gens.
Not really. It was said mewtwo discovered this form after traveling the world which happens well after Gens 1 and 3. Possibly after Gens 2 and 4 as well. If placed on the time line Gen 6 has a chance of being after Gen 5. Its not the same as one getting a new form in the same generation so 6 has a chance of being well after 1 and 3 with Mewtwo having traveled and everything to discover his true power.
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I'm hoping it takes place during B2W2, and Gen 7 during BW to add something else to those time periods.
Anyways back on topic, when do you guys think we'll see our first native (non- mascot/starter) gen 6 Pokémon?
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Not really. It was said mewtwo discovered this form after traveling the world which happens well after Gens 1 and 3. Possibly after Gens 2 and 4 as well. If placed on the time line Gen 6 has a chance of being after Gen 5. Its not the same as one getting a new form in the same generation so 6 has a chance of being well after 1 and 3 with Mewtwo having traveled and everything to discover his true power.
If you were to place generations on a timeline, they still happen in order. Analysis: each generation has an updated National Dex using every previously discovered Pokémon. You think a Professor in Sinnoh would keep findings from a Professor in Kanto? No!

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While I can't say I know everything GF does, I can take a good stab in the dark and say that redundancy isn't a good business move. There's already a gen 1 re-make, they still exist, they haven't been destroyed, etc. No reason to focus on a "reremake".

I'm honestly just thinking Mewtwo's new form just emphasizes on X/Y's focus on genetics, y'know? That's just me, though.
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Quote originally posted by CycloneGU:
If you were to place generations on a timeline, they still happen in order. Analysis: each generation has an updated National Dex using every previously discovered Pokémon. You think a Professor in Sinnoh would keep findings from a Professor in Kanto? No!

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And the remakes have updated Pokedexes with newer Pokemon in it too so your point is moot. Gen 2 remakes had 2 Gen 4 Pokemon in it which did not exist before. The only Pokemon with evolutions in Gen 4 that appeared without them in the remakes were the special Stone and location Pokemon. Seeing as both the locations and stones were not native to the region, it would not have been in their pokedex.

So no the games do NOT go in any sort of order other than what is written in their internal timelines which start with Kanto (and hoenn based on most common Canon lineage) into Johto and Sinnoh, into Unova then two years later in an updated Unova. Based on the Unovan Pokemon appearing in Gen 6 it stands to reason that it is either after Unova or at the same time as one of the two separate stories.

The Pokedexes update based on how the Pokemon evolves and what Pokemon are available. If the Pokemon is not native to that region then no they would not appear in that region's Pokedex. If they evolve by an item exclusive to a region introduced later then the chance of it appearing when the older region is reintroduced is slim to none as shown by Eevee in both FR/LG and HG/SS.

If there are Gens 1 and 3 remakes Sylveon, Glaceon, and Leafeon would not appear in either while Espeon and Umbreon most likely would be excluded from the Kanto remake yet again. Same with any Pokemon that evolves in Gen 6. Say Sableye evolves, if by item or new stone, then that evolution most likely will not appear when they remake Gen 3 games because that item is not native to Gen 3.

Mewtwo has traveled, had his own adventures and thanks to many encounters and run ins discovered a power that lay dormant within him. A Power that he now has access to. That in itself shows that it is possible that Gen 6 is well after Gen 1 and by association Gen 2.

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While I can't say I know everything GF does, I can take a good stab in the dark and say that redundancy isn't a good business move. There's already a gen 1 re-make, they still exist, they haven't been destroyed, etc. No reason to focus on a "reremake".

I'm honestly just thinking Mewtwo's new form just emphasizes on X/Y's focus on genetics, y'know? That's just me, though.
That is what he is there to emphasize. My point for posting is basically to tell people that Mewtwo being there has absolutely NOTHING to do with Gen 3 remakes. There have been talks about Mewtwo being a possible hint to remakes...sylveon too...neither have anything to do with Gen 3. Both are related to Gen 1 Pokemon so if anything they'd hint a Gen 1 remake not Gen 3.
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And the remakes have updated Pokedexes with newer Pokemon in it too so your point is moot. Gen 2 remakes had 2 Gen 4 Pokemon in it which did not exist before. The only Pokemon with evolutions in Gen 4 that appeared without them in the remakes were the special Stone and location Pokemon. Seeing as both the locations and stones were not native to the region, it would not have been in their pokedex.
Didn't the later generation revisits take place during a later period in time than the originals, technically? I've always wondered about that. If a Hoenn remake does come along, that would be a timeline screwup of epic proportions according to your theory.

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Quote originally posted by CycloneGU:
Didn't the later generation revisits take place during a later period in time than the originals, technically? I've always wondered about that. If a Hoenn remake does come along, that would be a timeline screwup of epic proportions according to your theory.

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No the remakes were at the exact same time as the originals. You play the same characters in the same stories. Events of Red/Blue/Green/Yellow are happening at the same time as the events of FR/LG. Events of Gold/Silver/Crystal happen at the same time as HG/SS. Hence why they are called Remakes and not Red 2/Green 2/Gold 2/Silver 2. If they happened outside of the same timeline as the originals we wouldn't have played through the same stories only slightly updated.
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So let me understand here. Because of the fact that Kanto got a Gen. III revisit, and Johto a Gen, IV revisit, you are considering Hoenn and Kanto to occur during the same time period because the Pokémon from Hoenn and Sinnoh exist in the later Johto? What about Sinnoh not appearing in the original Gen. II? The remake came after D/P/P and thus includes Sinnoh; there is no concrete timeline either way regarding these games.

If a Hoenn remake later appears in Generation VI (tie-in to the topic at hand here), then it can be assumed it all took place after the events of the prior five generations; however, then Kanto would have to be brought forward at the same time to maintain trading between those two regions in the later generation. That won't happen.

In other words, we can't plot a proper timeline simply because of these remakes. The ONLY way to do it properly is assume someone lived an identical adventure five years later.

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Quote originally posted by CycloneGU:
So let me understand here. Because of the fact that Kanto got a Gen. III revisit, and Johto a Gen, IV revisit, you are considering Hoenn and Kanto to occur during the same time period because the Pokémon from Hoenn and Sinnoh exist in the later Johto? What about Sinnoh not appearing in the original Gen. II? The remake came after D/P/P and thus includes Sinnoh; there is no concrete timeline either way regarding these games.

If a Hoenn remake later appears in Generation VI (tie-in to the topic at hand here), then it can be assumed it all took place after the events of the prior five generations; however, then Kanto would have to be brought forward at the same time to maintain trading between those two regions in the later generation. That won't happen.

In other words, we can't plot a proper timeline simply because of these remakes. The ONLY way to do it properly is assume someone lived an identical adventure five years later.

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Do you even read what is in front of you? MOST COMMONLY ACCEPTED CANON LINEAGE.

http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/History_of_the_Pok%C3%A9mon_world

There is info in all 5 generations of games that hint to a proper story line. NEVER ONCE did I say its based on Pokedex alone. YOU said that.

There ARE Sinnoh Pokemon in HG/SS. Hoenn and Kanto have info in them that put them around the same time line. The remakes are in the same timeline as the originals. Sinnoh has an opening sequence that puts it at the same time as Johto which also has hints that its after both Kanto and Hoenn storylines. Unova has hints that its after all four previous generations. The games have set up their own storyline. Mewtwo getting a new form in X and Y shows its after the events of Gen 1 and by association all the other generations that can be linked to it.

Read what is posted instead of jumping to conclusions and putting your foot in your mouth.

Gen 6 is most likely after all current past generation games because of Mewtwo.

Red (Character) in Red/Green/Blue/Yellow is the SAME Red in FR/LG. Blue (Rival) is the same Blue in the generation 1 games as well as the Gen 3 remakes.

Gold (Character) is the same Male character in G/S/C as Ethan in HG/SS. Silver is the same rival in all 5 games.

Only Major difference is the female companion who changes. She is added into FR/LG to give girls an alternate choice. If you were a girl playing the original games then Red was Leaf in the original games as the player's gender was more the defining factor for the character they pretended to be. Lyra and Crystal are interchangeable characters who have very similar looks. Lyra simply replaced Crystal if they are not actually the same character just doing the same thing Gold/Ethan did.

Nothing in Gen 6 has even hinted at real remake info. Mewtwo and Sylveon just lean more towards a Gen 1 rehash rather than a Gen 3 rehash. That is the ONLY reason Remakes were brought up.

Let's take the time line discussion to PM if you want to continue.


EDIT: I wanna chime in on next possible release...I hope its a new Gen 6 native as well. We need more Gen 6 hype, no more related to the past stuff for now.
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The Mewtwo forme news wore off too fast for me. A new native gen 6 Pokémon at this point will get me hyped for these games again. I want to see the regional birds, bugs, and rodent.
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I'm still waiting to see if the France Mythological Animals article (or whatever the title was) that I found at Wikipedia will have something based off of it.

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The Mewtwo forme news wore off too fast for me. A new native gen 6 Pokémon at this point will get me hyped for these games again. I want to see the regional birds, bugs, and rodent.
Me at this point, essentially.

We'll see what's going to happen in next month's issue. In a sense, I'm pretty excited only because the month of May marks the beginning of the summer for most people (and then we start really get into the summer months like June/July, etc), so hopefully we'll get some actual material that we can discuss/speculate about then.
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Anyone seen this?

Personally I don't really see it as a connection but I can understand why some people are assuming that Sylveon could possibly be a bug type.
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Honestly, I'm going with Xander's posts when he says that it's just Sylveon's ear sideways. .___. There's a possibility it could be bug, but I'm not really leaning too heavily on that since there's honestly no heavy physical features otherwise that could hint on it possibly being Bug-type.
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Me neither, that doesn't make me think it's a bug type. It's too cute for that!
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