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- No used games without paying an additional fee.
- No backwards compatibility with 360 games
- Spies on you for the movie industry: http://www.extremetech.com/gaming/13...u-for-the-mpaa


Pardon my Swahili, but Microsoft can go f*** itself on this one. Want to play used games? Oh, sorry, used games "hurt" the industry, so we'll have to charge you for it, because surely Call of Duty 1200 isn't killing the industry with this latest entry's "innovation." Want to sell your 360 to get money for this new console, but still want to play your old 360 games? Sorry, our new console can't do that. Oh, and because several sects of the human population are "stealing" movies online, we're going to punish all of you - even if you've never done anything wrong - by using the Kinect system to spy on you, because A SOCIETY WITHOUT PRIVACY IS A SAFE SOCIETY, RITE??

If you want to kill your console department that badly and lose more than half your fan-base, this is the perfect way to go about it. I can't help but admire the genius of it. No, really.

So disappointing, the Xbox 360 was my favorite thing to play on last gen before every company and their grandmother decided to make Halo clone after Call of Duty clone after generic FPS that makes you do stupid crap like follow mission objectives or basically do anything other than mindlessly killing everything in sight like the great FPSs of old used to do.

Sadly, nothing on the Wii U or PS4 has yet to catch my attention either. Unless things change, with the exception of my Nintendo 3DS, I'll stick to PC for this generation. So bummed right now.
The used game thing does suck. But as for the backwards compatibility? If you have a XBOX360 then it shouldn't be a problem.
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The used game thing does suck. But as for the backwards compatibility? If you have a XBOX360 then it shouldn't be a problem.
Unless, as I've stated, you sold it to get enough money for this console. Which is what I've seen lots of people do before.
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The used game thing does suck. But as for the backwards compatibility? If you have a XBOX360 then it shouldn't be a problem.
But the beauty of Backwards Compatability is that you can sell your old system and use it to reduce the cost of the new one. Generally consumers do that when it comes to a new system.

Ironically, the Xbox One is supposed to be an All-in-One experience...but then if you want to play your 360 games, you have to go to your 360 to play them. Huh.

You'd think this day and age all successors would have at least backwards compatibility for their previous iterations.
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Last night's reveal was, to be frank, a complete joke. I see a lot of Wii-U bashing on the internet, but how anyone can even think about bashing the Wii-U with this disaster hitting stores later this year is beyond me. Nintendo, at least, will be able to turn performance around by releasing its heavy-hitter IPs. How Microsoft are going to make this thing worth the time of day...well, this is something I would LOVE to see.

These promised new exclusive IPs are going to have be beyond incredible for me to even consider purchasing this, and given that, historically, the PS3 has been my first port of call for the games I like (mostly JRPGs, which the 360 has a frightening lack of by comparison) I can't see the Xbox One suddenly turning the tables. The lack of backwards compatibility and support for used games is a death sentence in my mind as well. No backwards compatibility severely limits the console for at least a year in my opinion (this has been the case for my 3DS and Vita, both of which I got at launch and didn't buy any exclusives for for about a year due to lack of anything worth playing) and the lack of used games support just turns an already overpriced machine (because I highly doubt this will be affordable at launch) into an even bigger waste of money.

About the only thing I've heard about the Xbox One that I approve of so far is that your Gamer Score is apparently going to be transferrable, and that's something so unbelievably minor it doesn't bear thinking about next to this sleuth of poor decisions that they've made regarding this console...and it's not really a selling point for me either; I have several profiles on my PS3 because I like earning the trophies again, and I sold my 360 almost two years ago; I've long since forgotten my details for it.

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Old May 21st, 2013, 11:28 PM
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Well, if I had any doubt in my mind, it has been cleared up. Xbox One is a poor excuse for Microsoft trying to do too much and be toooooo clever.
A entertainment system that you can watch TV on? Awesome, what do I use the TV for again?
Can only install my game once onto my system, so if my console were to break or my account get deleted, I have to pay a free? Gee, thanks.
No backwards comparability? We all know how I feel about systems that kill backwards comparability.

I know I am not a fan of Microsoft's gaming systems, but even the long time fans are jumping ship, so I don't really need to say anything, do I?
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Xbox One is such a terrible name, sounds like they took 359 steps backwards. That sounds like it would be the name for the first console.

And my little brother says he thinks it looks like a VCR and I honestly agree. That thing looks hideous in my opinion.

It seems more of a entertainment system, than a gaming console. I don't want an entertainment system, I want a gaming system. I don't see the point of it being connected to my TV when I can just turn on my cable box. All of the feature on it seem really gimmicky and distracting. Why do I need to be on Skype and watch TV at the same time? Why do I also need to have music on to? And browse the internet? IS that's what entertainment is gonna be like? I just want to be able to do one thing at once and not multiple things. That just seems like too much. I mean sure I look at my DS and computer while watching TV but that's different. It's usually only when I'm not interested in the program on.

And also no used games and having to connect to the Internet every 24 hours are also two put-offs for me. Want to borrow a friends game? Sorry no can do, you have to buy another copy before that. What's the point of that? I guess that mean Gamestop won't be selling used Xbox One games then. Plus no backward compatibility is another set-up. There's at least 30 360 games at home and we can't play either of them on the One? Well there's no point in getting rid of the 360 then.

Overall based on the reveal, I'm not getting a Xbox One. I'll be going for either PS4 , PC, or Wii U this time.
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I'm upset. I really enjoy the Halo titles and universe, but I just can't see myself going through all those hoops just to get to one exclusive. 15 exclusive titles, with 8 of them being original IP, that seems nice on the surface, but how long will these titles truly remain exclusive? I mean I can list of over a dozen examples of games that were exclusive to start and then eventually got a port to somewhere else. As a fairly casual gamer, I wasn't even upset with the conference itself. Halo Tv Series? Cool! A Kinect that isn't a beta test? mmkay. New Forza? Awesome! Call of Duty: I Swear I'm not a Modern Warfare Title. Dogs are cool. Controller with a what looks like a better D-pad. Needed.

It's all the stuff that wasn't said at the conferance that flew me up a wall. I was almost was about to say "you know what? I could of been wrong, maybe the new Xbox might be worth it."

I mean seriously? No backwards compatibility? That smells like trouble for the get go. I can just bet, that if the Xbox One doesn't sell so hot, they will cut out Xbox 360 Live support and Cloud Service just to get people on the bandwagon.

A Used Game Fee? I mean, sure right, game developers deserve their money. I can understand that. Is that where the money is going to though? Is the money going straight to Microsoft? Microsoft hasn't exactly been the most friendly when it comes to developers before...

Having to Install all your Games? I think Youtube Reviewer Angry Joe said it best when he said that this basically loses the biggest advantage a console has over a PC in the first place...The right to be able to share the disc with your friends.


The sad thing is, I can totally see developers flocking to Xbox if that Used Game Fee goes directly to them. I mean, EA has basically gone to bed with them.
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Old May 22nd, 2013, 04:21 AM
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Unless, as I've stated, you sold it to get enough money for this console. Which is what I've seen lots of people do before.
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But the beauty of Backwards Compatability is that you can sell your old system and use it to reduce the cost of the new one. Generally consumers do that when it comes to a new system.

Ironically, the Xbox One is supposed to be an All-in-One experience...but then if you want to play your 360 games, you have to go to your 360 to play them. Huh.

You'd think this day and age all successors would have at least backwards compatibility for their previous iterations.
One should not sell one's previous console until one knows the ins-and-outs of the next generation. Who the heck sells their consoles to buy the next one before it's even on the shelf?

If you sell your last gen console for the next when it does come out, for example XB360 for XBOne, then you do so knowing full-well what you're in for. No Backward compatibility. And that's your fault, not Microsoft's.
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Old May 22nd, 2013, 06:49 AM
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I'm with many of you in that I will not even consider getting an Xbox One due to the attack on the used game market.

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Old May 22nd, 2013, 06:52 AM
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One should not sell one's previous console until one knows the ins-and-outs of the next generation. Who the heck sells their consoles to buy the next one before it's even on the shelf?

If you sell your last gen console for the next when it does come out, for example XB360 for XBOne, then you do so knowing full-well what you're in for. No Backward compatibility. And that's your fault, not Microsoft's.
That's not what we're getting at. We're not saying that people might assume there is BC and be disappointed when they find out that there isn't. We're saying that people often sell their systems solely for lowering the price of the next one, because usually they Backwards compatibility and it would be no problem. For instance, this is what happened with the Gamecube to the Wii, the Xbox to the Xbox 360, the PS to the PS2 to the early PS3...and even the DS to the 3DS and the Gameboy to the DS. It seems like we're taking a step backwards in this perspective this generation, with Nintendo's 8th gen consoles being the only ones to do it. Heck, a lot of people do this because they can't otherwise buy these systems.

Not to mention that having two Xbox systems in the same room kinda defeats the purpose of Xbox's all-in-one appeal. It's supposed to be a multimedia device, toting that it would be the only device you would need in the room, but ironically enough, the one thing you would have to switch from the One to do is play games. This may seem minor, but seeing how much larger the 360's library will be than the One's for the first couple of years...it could be pretty inconvenient for the average user, especially since those same users probably won't be using it for TV, looking at the popularity of that same feature on the 360.

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Old May 22nd, 2013, 07:09 AM
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It seems like MS hasn't even considered enough that large sections of the games industry are based on the existence of pre-owned games and trade-ins. Without the prospect of a trade-in, I wouldn't have taken a gamble on half the games I've bought for my 360 and I also wouldn't have bought as many games because I wouldn't have the money from ones I've previously sold. This will also destroy various pre-owned specialist stores and cause more pressure for games to succeed as sales will drop overall with no trade-ins available (in practice, big games get sequel after sequel, new IPs will struggle to get in).

Basically, it doesn't look promising from what we've seen and I'll need some really special games or actually positive features of the console to fix this or the PS4 wins. Ultimately, I think I'll just stick to my 3DS and buying Fifa on my 360 every year for a while.

Edit: I've just read that you can still trade-in games by deactivating your license for the game, which can then be activated by the second purchaser (it isn't established whether the second person will need to pay a fee yet) so I'm more happy about it now.

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As a loyal xbox fan/player over the last few years I gotta say im hugely disappointed with micosoft..

Xbox (n)one Suks, they really messed up. Trying to market to a broader audience, no one who takes games seriously want to watch TV or cares about TV when playing games. voice commands never work right, that slide and swoop crap isnt something i'd use... What were they thinking, the only good thing about the thing is its processing power to run better games... the really screwed the pooch on this one, i've been a loyal 360 fan for years, but even i'm probably going to get a ps4, the only reason i might get xbox one is for the 15 exclusives they promised, but ill wait atleast a year or so before i buy
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Xbox One is such a terrible name, sounds like they took 359 steps backwards.
Clever. I like it.

I'm not really sure what sort of reaction Microsoft was expecting when they sat down and discussed all of the changes they wanted to make with the new system. Did they really think people would have applauded at the news of no backward compatibility and pre-used game fees?

Since the redesign of the 360 in 2010 (am I right?), they've had more than enough time to really build something that could be deemed a worthy successor. Instead, they take all these missteps and turn their attention towards entertainment (TVTVTVTVTVSPORTSSPORTSSPORTSSPORTSTVTVTV) rather than focus on what the system was always about, video games. It's even lol worthy that when shedding light on the new Call of Duty, they had to spend time actually praising the introduction of a dog companion like it was some sort of revolutionary stuff.

From all the years of speculation and build up, to say the XBox One is a disappointment is an understatement. It also doesn't help that the new system looks ugly. :|
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This was the most frustrating console reveal I have ever seen. It only caused frustration for me and I cannot count how many things are wrong with the system. I'm probably getting a PS4 instead if I want multi-plats that aren't coming to PC.
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For those of you complaining about the Xbox One being more of an entertainment system rather being a pure video game system, it's necessity for MS because of the concerns of mobile phones and androids slowly killing the console and handheld markets, so video game companies are forced to adapt in order to compete with those phones by becoming multimedia devices themselves. It's why there's a lot of doom and gloom on Nintendo by analysts alike for sticking only to video games rather than becoming third party to make games for mobile phones.
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For those of you complaining about the Xbox One being more of an entertainment system rather being a pure video game system, it's necessity for MS because of the concerns of mobile phones and androids slowly killing the console and handheld markets, so video game companies are forced to adapt in order to compete with those phones by becoming multimedia devices themselves. It's why there's a lot of doom and gloom on Nintendo by analysts alike for sticking only to video games rather than becoming third party to make games for mobile phones.
The mobile market has hardly been a problem for Xbox, especially since those that play mobile games most are the same people that have Xbox's. Heck, I'd say that out of all of the companies, Microsoft is the one that's been impacted the least by the rise of the mobile market, especially because of their Smart Glass and Windows Phone 8 integration and they're lack of handheld consoles (which are the consoles that are hit hardest by this).

I'd say that the situation that's facing Nintendo is vastly different than what's facing Microsoft. They just want to utilize their Windows 8 OS into their console because they get more money if people use money on their system rather than cable, computers, and the like. This should work in their mind because the modern demographic likes to have all of their media in one place...but seeing how well that's working with the Xbox, putting such a heavy emphasis on it rather than the games themselves probably isn't such a good idea.
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This was the most frustrating console reveal I have ever seen. It only caused frustration for me and I cannot count how many things are wrong with the system. I'm probably getting a PS4 instead if I want multi-plats that aren't coming to PC.
this is how i feel, and as the reveal went on i got more upset, I tried to remain optimistic and say okay now they are gonna talk about what the system brings to the table for games, and instead all i herd is more crap about TV then some CoD garbage
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While I respect Microsoft have leaned hugely toward the entertainment aspects, I think it's pretty clear they're saving the games for the real game event (E3) which isn't a long wait.

I haven't liked the path MS have went down with Kinect, videos, rentals, tv etc. in the past few years, but I'm sure there'll be more than enough focus on gaming by the time the console hits the stores.
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Just want to put it out there that neither nex gen console for Xbox OR Playstation will allow used games. I know its been brought up in a different section, but this was done to kill off the third party trade retailers like Gamestop.

PS games are going to be Download/Chip locked and Microsoft is doing the Download thing. My District Supervisor actually cracked jokes about this cause Gamestop bought Hancok Fabrics because they are about to lose a lot of money.

I'm definately late to this party since I found out about the Xbox One yesterday while at Gamestop. I didn't see anything about it not being able to play 360 titles but that sorta makes sense to me. I mean I've only ever seen Playstation as the console with real backwards compatibility.

I'm not too disappointed about this console mostly because is exactly as I suspected it to be. Only thing I found weird is it has a Bluray Player installed. I'm going to get it since I'm a gamer eventually.
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@XanderO - where did you get that info? As far as I know Yoshida (Sony's executive) said that "used games can play on PS4" and "purchase physical form, they want to use it everywhere, right? So that's my expectation." according to Gamespot.

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Just want to put it out there that neither nex gen console for Xbox OR Playstation will allow used games.
Where did you get this from? It hasn't been confirmed or debunked. We still don't know.
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@XanderO - where did you get that info? As far as I know Yoshida (Sony's executive) said that "used games can play on PS4" and "purchase physical form, they want to use it everywhere, right? So that's my expectation." according to Gamespot.

http://uk.gamespot.com/news/playstat...-games-6404263
The latter sentence is reassuring but thinking about it could mean anything. You can still buy used games or use it anywhere on XBone, you just have to pay a fee to do that. I trust Yoshida though.
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Xbox 360 Announcement to be made at E3

Depending on the eventual nature of this announcement, I'm starting to becoming very confused by Microsoft's strategy as a whole. I suspect they might just be halting the potential success of the One if this announcement affects the 360 as much as they say it will.
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Next gen. Xbox looks...absolutely....TERRIBLE.
I have a 360, and I hugely enjoy it, but the new console looks just simply bad. First off, it's hideous. The controller looks bad(I watched a video detailing it, I don't like it), the system is literally a box, and the innovation is gone. I think I'm going to just stick to my Wii U.
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I hope the PS4 looks better than the Xbox One.
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