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Old May 26th, 2013, 05:38 AM
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well i have played a lot with this team and i have interestingly defeated a lot of ubers with this also , but when it comes to ou , i fail miserably. so i would like you to rate and any suggestions would be welcome


Rhyperior

Rhyperior (M) @ Focus Sash
Trait: Lightningrod
EVs: 67 HP / 252 Atk / 120 Def / 69 SDef
Adamant Nature
- Stealth Rock
- Crunch
- Earthquake
- ThunderPunch

i like this set a lot .. the high attack lets me take down other leads and the focus shash is a big help .

breloom

Breloom (F) @ Toxic Orb
Trait: Poison Heal
EVs: 32 HP / 224 Atk / 252 Spd
Jolly Nature
- Swords Dance
- Mach Punch
- Seed Bomb
- Spore

well this guy is mainly to help me set up ... either it self with swords dance or switch in to something more suitable or powerful .

Jellicent



Jellicent @ Leftovers
Trait: Water Absorb
EVs: 32 HP / 252 SAtk / 224 Spd
Timid Nature
IVs: 30 Atk / 30 SAtk / 30 Spd
- Water Spout
- Rain Dance
- Dark Pulse
- Recover

Scizor

Scizor (M) @ Steel Gem
Trait: Technician
EVs: 252 HP / 56 Atk / 140 SDef / 60 Spd
Adamant Nature
- Swords Dance
- Bug Bite
- Bullet Punch
- Roost

this guy is a beast ... i mean with the swords dance and the gem ... at least one threatening enemy can be ohko'd .but even otherwise , bug bite for dark types like hydreigon . i love this guy

Dragonite


Dragonite (F) @ Lum Berry
Trait: Multiscale
EVs: 56 HP / 252 Atk / 200 Spd
Adamant Nature
- ExtremeSpeed
- Outrage
- Dragon Dance
- Fire Punch

one or two dragon dance can sweep almost any team with outrage and lum berry helps you with that , the fire punch is for the likes of ferrothorn , which otherwise is a threat .

Espeon

Espeon @ Leftovers
Trait: Magic Bounce
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 SDef / 4 Spd
Careful Nature
IVs: 30 SAtk
- Calm Mind
- Psychic
- Shadow Ball
- Substitute

the only reason i use this guy is for its magic bounce ability . other than that i find him totally useless . but the magic bounce is extremely helpful against uber teams that start with darkrai or normal ou team that want to set up . but i am open to a better suggestion .

well that's my team ... pls rate and tell me if there is anything to change about it
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Old May 26th, 2013, 06:59 AM
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For one Rhyperior is really bad in OU because of its terrible defensive typing (though Solid Rock somewhat compensates; speaking of Solid Rock it's the ability Rhyperior should always use. Regardless, it's better off in UU). And for another thing, it's too bulky to use Focus Sash (though its Special Defense is bad). also, LightningRod is completely and utterly useless on it, as it doesn't use Special moves at all (not only is it already immune to Electric, its Special Attack is so terrible it can't put its excellent Special movepool to good use). Terrakion is way better than Rhyperior in every way:
-Stealth Rock
-Close Combat
-Stone Edge
-Swords Dance/Taunt
Nature: Jolly
EVs: 252 Atk/4 SDef/252 Spe
Item: Focus Sash

or
-Close Combat
-Stone Edge
-X-Scissor
-Quick Attack/Sacred Sword/Rock Slide
Nature: Jolly
EVs: 4 HP/252 Atk/252 Spe
Item: Choice Band/Choice Scarf

or
-Rock Polish
-Swords Dance
-Stone Edge
-Close Combat
Nature: Jolly
EVs: 4 HP/252 Atk/252 Spe
Item: Life Orb/Air Balloon

or
-Substitute
-Swords Dance
-Close Combat
-Stone Edge
Nature: Jolly
EVs: 252 Atk/4 Def/252 Spe
Item: Life Orb/Rock Gem/Salac Berry

Technician Breloom is all the rage these days; you should be using it, considering how hard Technician-boosted Bullet Seeds hurt:
-Swords Dance
-Bullet Seed
-Mach Punch
-Spore
Nature: Jolly
EVs: 4 HP/252 Atk/252 Spe
Item: Life Orb/Lum Berry
Ability: Technician

or
-Bullet Seed
-Low Sweep
-Mach Punch
-Spore/Stone Edge
Nature: Adamant/Jolly
EVs: 4 HP/252 Atk/252 Spe
Item: Life Orb/Choice Band
Ability: Technician

or
-Bullet Seed
-Low Sweep/Force Palm
-Stone Edge
-Spore
Nature: Jolly
EVs: 4 HP/252 Atk/252 Spe
Item: Choice Scarf
Ability: Technician

Poison Heal Breloom is still useful to an extent, but they play differently:
-Substitute
-Leech Seed
-Spore
-Focus Punch
Nature: Impish
EVs: 236 HP/252 Atk/20 Spe
Item: Toxic Orb
Ability: Poison Heal

or
-Spore
-Substitute
-Focus Punch
-Seed Bomb/Stone Edge/Facade
Nature: Adamant
EVs: 12 HP/252 Atk/244 Spe
Item: Toxic Orb
Ability: Poison Heal

Jellicent's current set is a waste of its offensive and defensive prowess. For one, Shadow Ball is way better than Dark Pulse (because both have redundant coverage, and Jellicent gets STAB on the former attack). Jellicent is also rather slow, so it'll be forced to take a hit before firing off an attack, weakening Water Spout. Thirdly, this doesn't look like a rain team to me, and manual Rain Dance is better done by Tornadus. You should use defensive sets mainly, or go for Choice Specs to surprise the opponent:
-Scald/Surf
-Will-o-Wisp
-Recover
-Taunt
Nature: Bold
EVs: 248 HP/216 Def/44 Spe
Item: Leftovers

or
-Scald/Surf
-Shadow Ball/Ice Beam
-Will-o-Wisp/Toxic
-Recover
Nature: Calm
EVs: 252 HP/36 Def/220 SDef
Item: Leftovers
Ability: Water Absorb

or
-Water Spout
-Hydro Pump/Surf/Scald
-Shadow Ball
-Ice Beam/Giga Drain
Nature: Modest
EVs: 172 HP/252 SAtk/84 Spe
Item: Choice Specs
Ability: Water Absorb

TBH, I don't see a reason why Scizor should use Steel Gem. The bulky Swords Dance Scizor set should use 252 HP/40 Atk/216 SDef to let it survive special moves more easily. What's the point of the 60 Speed EVs?

I don't see what's wrong with maxing out Dragonite's Attack and Speed. What purpose do the 200 Speed EVs serve?

Careful is a terrible nature on Espeon, as it wastes away its high Special Attack. Despite its offensively leaning stats, Espeon is mainly used as a support Pokémon:
-Reflect
-Light Screen
-Psychic/Psyshock
-Hidden Power (Fire)/Baton Pass
Nature: Timid
EVs: 252 HP/4 Def/252 Spe
Item: Light Clay
Ability: Magic Bounce

If you want a good Calm Mind user, go with Jirachi, Latias or Latios:
Jirachi:
-Substitute
-Calm Mind
-Thunderbolt
-Psyshock/Flash Cannon
Nature: Timid
EVs: 252 HP/100 Def/156 Spe
Item: Leftovers

or
-Calm Mind
-Psychic/Psyshock/Flash Cannon
-Grass Knot/Thunderbolt
-Hidden Power (Fire/Ground)
Nature: Modest
EVs: 4 HP/252 SAtk/252 Spe
Item: Life Orb/Leftovers

or
-Wish
-Calm Mind
-Thunderbolt
-Psyshock/Flash Cannon
Nature: Bold
EVs: 252 HP/236 Def/20 Spe
Item: Leftovers

Latias:
-Calm Mind
-Dragon Pulse
-Substitute/Hidden Power (Fire)/Psyshock
-Recover
Nature: Timid
EVs: 252 HP/4 SAtk/252 Spe
Item: Leftovers

Latios:
-Calm Mind
-Dragon Pulse
-Surf
-Recover/Psyshock
Nature: Timid
EVs: 252 SAtk/4 SDef/252 Spe
Item: Leftovers/Life Orb
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Old May 26th, 2013, 07:44 AM
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Scizor @ Life Orb
Ability: Technician
Nature: Adamant
Bullet Punch
Bug Bite
Superpower
Swords Dance
EVs: 248 HP/252 Atk/8 Spe


how about this for scizor???
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Old May 26th, 2013, 08:07 AM
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Quote:
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Scizor @ Life Orb
Ability: Technician
Nature: Adamant
Bullet Punch
Bug Bite
Superpower
Swords Dance
EVs: 248 HP/252 Atk/8 Spe


how about this for scizor???
Offensive Swords Dance Scizor is better off with max Attack and max Speed; that spread is better off on Choice Band.
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Old May 27th, 2013, 03:38 PM
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Rate my team

well i have played a lot with this team and i have interestingly defeated a lot of ubers with this also , but when it comes to ou , i fail miserably. so i would like you to rate and any suggestions would be welcome

Scizor

Scizor (M) @ Steel Gem
Trait: Technician
EVs: 252 HP / 56 Atk / 140 SDef / 60 Spd
Adamant Nature
- Swords Dance
- Bug Bite
- Bullet Punch
- Roost

this guy is a beast ... i mean with the swords dance and the gem ... at least one threatening enemy can be ohko'd .but even otherwise , bug bite for dark types like hydreigon . i love this guy

Dragonite


Dragonite (F) @ Lum Berry
Trait: Multiscale
EVs: 56 HP / 252 Atk / 200 Spd
Adamant Nature
- ExtremeSpeed
- Outrage
- Dragon Dance
- Fire Punch

one or two dragon dance can sweep almost any team with outrage and lum berry helps you with that , the fire punch is for the likes of ferrothorn , which otherwise is a threat .
I'm going to give you my opinion on these pokemon since they're actually part of my teams.

1. Scizor - it's better off with it's EV spread being concentrated on it's HP and Atk.
248 HP, 252 Atk and 10 SpD

Moveset: Bullet Punch, U-Turn, Pursuit and Superpower
Item: Choice Band

Remember that technician increases the base power of moves with 60 or less by 50%. With STAB moves such as Bullet Punch with a Choice Band, it's an effective move that can dominate in the OU tier. You also have U-turn with it's STAB bug type, and pursuit/superpower for those moments you come across certain Psychic/Steel types that aren't effective with Steel/Bug types.

2. Dragonite - You have a pretty decent EV spread, I can't find fault in this one.

As for you moveset, you have the most recommended moveset out there.
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Old May 27th, 2013, 04:54 PM
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I'm going to give you my opinion on these pokemon since they're actually part of my teams.

1. Scizor - it's better off with it's EV spread being concentrated on it's HP and Atk.
248 HP, 252 Atk and 10 SpD

Moveset: Bullet Punch, U-Turn, Pursuit and Superpower
Item: Choice Band

i personally don't want a choice banded scizor , onlybecause i always keep my scizor to clean things up so i need roost .... but i did change it into LO scizor ..

Scizor (M) @ Life Orb
Trait: Technician
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Atk / 8 Spd
Adamant Nature
- Swords Dance
- Bug Bite/u-turn
- Bullet Punch
- Roost
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Old May 27th, 2013, 05:15 PM
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i personally don't want a choice banded scizor , onlybecause i always keep my scizor to clean things up so i need roost .... but i did change it into LO scizor ..

Scizor (M) @ Life Orb
Trait: Technician
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Atk / 8 Spd
Adamant Nature
- Swords Dance
- Bug Bite/u-turn
- Bullet Punch
- Roost
Offensive SD Scizor is better off using max Attack and max Speed. Bulky SD Scizor uses 252 HP/40 Atk/216 SDef. Both sets play differently. The offensive SD Scizor sets up once (maybe twice if you're lucky), then tears through the opposition, while the bulky SD Scizor uses its access to Roost and good bulk and defensive typing to set up multiple boosts before executing a sweep.
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Old May 31st, 2013, 07:30 PM
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ok i made a lot of changes to the team i am going to make one more thread about it
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