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Old May 27th, 2013, 08:41 AM
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I just wanna say here that I dislike the crazy amount of closed threads, which are, mainly, made up of 2 posts; 1 by the OP & 1 by the mod closing the thread.
99% of these closed threads are just useless, taking up space & they're not even that important to read, most of them are just threads in the wrong section
Can you, mods, please erase more closed threads? OR just move the ones that aren't silly into their appropriate section... IS ANYBODY LISTENING?
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Old May 27th, 2013, 08:51 AM
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The thing with closed threads is that we need the OP of that thread to see why it was locked, and if they have questions, they can PM the mod as to why it was locked. And other people can look at that thread and in turn know, "Okay, I'll remember this so that I don't get my thread locked like this as well." We only delete threads that are really bad, like trolling threads or porn spammers or adbots.

As far as moving them, I do agree there. I myself try to move as many threads as I can if possible, though I don't move them if they don't meet the requirements for the forum, would go in a forum that goes under approval, there's already a topic about it there, or if even I don't know where it goes, just that it doesn't belong in my forum. But yeah, I have seen threads just get locked and not moved and there, to me, seemed like there was no reason not to, which I don't understand. If you know where it goes and it will fit in fine, there's no problem in moving it and that should be done. That's how I see it, anyway.

Hope that clears up some stuff about locked threads~
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Old May 28th, 2013, 04:49 AM
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This has been said before and rejected for reasons, I think. I even have some reasons against it, myself. But I would like to again throw out the idea of merging Pokémon Gaming Central and Pokémon General.

So many are confused about which of those two sections to post in and even though I understand that you might want to promote more of a theory based discussion and the concept of pokémon and the pokémon world as a whole in PG, I don't think it's completely necessary to draw a line between discussions related to pokémon in gaming and pokémon in other media/the idea of pokémon.

Not sure where this merged section would be best situated in the main forum index, and not sure what should be done with the manga subforum if it was placed under the gaming discussions, but yeah.

What do you think?
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Old May 28th, 2013, 07:35 PM
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Actually, I haven't really dealt with too many PG and PGC confusions like I used to. It was really bad back when PGC was General Pokemon Gaming. It got a lot better after the name change and I don't get a big influx of threads that get moved to PG like I did back then. In fact, I get more threads that get moved to in-game team help haha. But I can't say the same for PG. I don't really go in there often, so idk if it's having that problem or not, but I didn't notice a ton of threads getting moved from there to here, unless I'm missing something here. Nick has been watching over that forum lately, so maybe he'll stop by and share his brief experiences, or Toujours might say something about hers.

They were originally together though, and I remember it was quite a mess, which is why it was split. Plus, there are the subforums in PG and putting PG, with the two subforums, with PGC would make it kind of a...super forum. @_@ And both sections are really active on their own so...I don't really see the point in putting them back together. I think it's easier to deal with small amounts of confusion rather than a mass influx of threads everywhere with a bajillion different topics.

It seems like I'm trying to rain on peoples parades in this thread, but really I'm just trying to clarify why some things are the way they are. Believe me, I know where you're coming from on this, and I sometimes think about it too, but then I think of the mess it would really create, considering how much PGC and PG have morphed into their own thing since the time when they were originally together.
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Old May 28th, 2013, 07:46 PM
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Another thing I'd probably "promote" more would be the chat. That place is like a waiting room.

I don't really have an elaborated idea on the concept but, it's really dead in there. It'd be cool to have more activity and interaction among members in the chat.
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Old May 28th, 2013, 09:11 PM
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Another thing I'd probably "promote" more would be the chat. That place is like a waiting room.

I don't really have an elaborated idea on the concept but, it's really dead in there. It'd be cool to have more activity and interaction among members in the chat.
Although TPC's situation is nowhere as hopeless as the Oekaki's, I think it's similar in the sense that there's nothing that can really be done about it. There's been countless attempts to try and make the place a booming hub and whatever, and there hasn't really been a lasting effect from any of those drives. I think it's just one of those things that can't really be helped.
Does Nica still talk there? I'd imagine she wouldn't hang around there after her, uh, graceful exit from the forum, but she was one of the main pushers for activity in the forum and if she's gone, I hold even less hope for the chat.
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Old May 28th, 2013, 09:15 PM
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People that want to chat have tended to gravitate towards the Showdown server more now for reasons I'm unsure of. I feel like Showdown is, though, much more user-friendly and the interface is cleaner and more presentable than the sometimes cluttered and distasteful appearance of IRC chats, especially the in-browser version here. I can't speak on behalf of the entire community, though.
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Old May 28th, 2013, 09:15 PM
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The Showdown server pretty much takes the place of TPC as the dominant chat since activity there is relatively high. It's easier to hold events there too, in case anyone wishes to battle, then they can! If they don't, then they don't necessarily have to; its a nice place to just sit and get to know others nonetheless~!
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Old May 28th, 2013, 09:19 PM
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It's easier to hold events there too, in case anyone wishes to battle, then they can!
This as well. The IRC is very limited in what it can do, and is quite literally nothing more than a chat room, whereas the Showdown server also allows battles and some freedom with the things that can be done on it. Weighing the two against each other, I'd much rather hang out where I can do something to bide my time in addition to chatting with others.
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Old May 28th, 2013, 09:26 PM
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Although TPC's situation is nowhere as hopeless as the Oekaki's, I think it's similar in the sense that there's nothing that can really be done about it. There's been countless attempts to try and make the place a booming hub and whatever, and there hasn't really been a lasting effect from any of those drives. I think it's just one of those things that can't really be helped.
Does Nica still talk there? I'd imagine she wouldn't hang around there after her, uh, graceful exit from the forum, but she was one of the main pushers for activity in the forum and if she's gone, I hold even less hope for the chat.
Well, this is where I would encourage the active members of the community to pull together and find variable possibilities. This forum has the activity and the members - I sincerely believe that it all ends up on how it's promoted.

Think about it this way. "Speed of the leader, speed of the team." If none or few of the active members don't really use the chat, then it's bound to stay the way it is. Example: why is the introduction forum so popular and doesn't fail to have at least 10 new threads each day? It's because people see activity there along with the fact that it's suggested to make an introduction.

I'm sure there are ways to advertise the chat more effectively.
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Old May 28th, 2013, 09:38 PM
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Well, this is where I would encourage the active members of the community to pull together and find variable possibilities. This forum has the activity and the members - I sincerely believe that it all ends up on how it's promoted.

Think about it this way. "Speed of the leader, speed of the team." If none or few of the active members don't really use the chat, then it's bound to stay the way it is. Example: why is the introduction forum so popular and doesn't fail to have at least 10 new threads each day? It's because people see activity there along with the fact that it's suggested to make an introduction.

I'm sure there are ways to advertise the chat more effectively.
The intro forum is a bad example to use, but I won't go into that.

If you have a fresh new idea onto how to promote the forum, then I'm sure we would all love to hear it - because it's been literally paraded around the forum multiple times, had countless blogs dedicated to it/conversations from it posted in blogs, people have mentioned it many, many times in their posts, etc. There's also been various Get Together events dedicated to it over the years.
Especially with the rise of the Showdown server, I just don't see what else can be done.
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Old May 29th, 2013, 07:42 AM
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I don't think this would warrant a thread of its own, so I just hope that someone sees it here.


Pokémon Clubs
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Pokémon Trivia
Make your own games and trivia, or play games made by other members. Non-Pokémon Trivia goes in the Other Trivia forum.


The bolded words should probably be replaced with the new forum names.
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Old June 4th, 2013, 04:18 AM
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Reading up on this on the DCC..
I know that people on your ignore list get their posts collapsed and whatnot.
But are people on your ignore list not able to vm/pm you? That actually may be good to stop any harassment going on.
I know you can just set vms to friends-only.. but maybe it'd be nice, if we don't have it, to set it to "everyone but those on your ignore list" as an option under "everyone"?


Sorry if we already have this. I don't really know how I would test this haha.
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Old June 6th, 2013, 09:49 AM
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I just spotted some details in the forum index.

Some sections apply thread moderation. In the index, most of those have a line saying:
New threads in this forum are to be approved by a moderator before they are displayed.

But for the Roleplay Corner, one word is different:
New threads in this forum are to be validated by a moderator before they are displayed.

ermagerd, detaails 8D but just for the sake of consistency, maybe change it to match the others.


Also, Fan Clubs & Groups has thread moderation as well, doesn't it? But the index does not tell you so.
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I think it's stupid that mods should post in revived threads, because that bumps it again. Just delete the post and lock the thread?
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Old June 6th, 2013, 10:12 AM
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But are people on your ignore list not able to vm/pm you? That actually may be good to stop any harassment going on.
Nope. At the most, when you get a VM from a person on your ignore list, it will appear as a collapsed VM, if anything, saying that "x is on your ignore list" or something like that.
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Old June 6th, 2013, 10:16 AM
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I just spotted some details in the forum index.

Some sections apply thread moderation. In the index, most of those have a line saying:
New threads in this forum are to be approved by a moderator before they are displayed.

But for the Roleplay Corner, one word is different:
New threads in this forum are to be validated by a moderator before they are displayed.

ermagerd, detaails 8D but just for the sake of consistency, maybe change it to match the others.


Also, Fan Clubs & Groups has thread moderation as well, doesn't it? But the index does not tell you so.
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I don't think this would warrant a thread of its own, so I just hope that someone sees it here.


Pokémon Clubs
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Pokémon Trivia
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The bolded words should probably be replaced with the new forum names.
Just brought these ahead for quick changes in the staff forum.

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Reading up on this on the DCC..
I know that people on your ignore list get their posts collapsed and whatnot.
But are people on your ignore list not able to vm/pm you? That actually may be good to stop any harassment going on.
I know you can just set vms to friends-only.. but maybe it'd be nice, if we don't have it, to set it to "everyone but those on your ignore list" as an option under "everyone"?


Sorry if we already have this. I don't really know how I would test this haha.
Something I'd like to see also, I'm sure it could be added to the to-do list that is ever growing if it doesn't already work this way. I don't have anyone on my ignore list, so I have no idea.

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I think it's stupid that mods should post in revived threads, because that bumps it again. Just delete the post and lock the thread?
It's a matter of preference whether you do it that way, or post. I would rather post as I can actually add a personal response and/or suggestion to both the OP and the person who has bumped the thread. Rather than just locking it and leaving a deletion reason on the prior post. It leaves us open to adding a bit more of a human touch, which is not a bad thing in a community. Both ways are just as efficient, however, by posting you give the users a bit more advice or reasoning as to what could be done next and why it had been closed. Does no harm to state so.
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Old June 6th, 2013, 10:19 AM
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Nope. At the most, when you get a VM from a person on your ignore list, it will appear as a collapsed VM, if anything, saying that "x is on your ignore list" or something like that.
Actually it does block PMs from them. Just not VMs, which are collapsed. But you're free to delete VMs anyways.
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Old June 6th, 2013, 10:20 AM
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I understand those arguments but then why bother locking bumped threads in the first place? If it's going to stay in the index anyway and every thread is going to be like that, doesn't that defeat the purpose of closing those threads?

To be honest though, what harm does thread revival really do?
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Old June 6th, 2013, 10:24 AM
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I understand those arguments but then why bother locking bumped threads in the first place? If it's going to stay in the index anyway and every thread is going to be like that, doesn't that defeat the purpose of closing those threads?
To stop people thinking that it's a new thread just because it's had recent replies and continuing to post in it.

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To be honest though, what harm does thread revival really do?
It's just messier, really; and we don't want a load of active threads full of users who aren't going to reply to them anyway. Plus, if we removed the thread revival rule, then it'd be such a nightmare searching through old threads given how many of them we have for the same existing topic. It's just easier and more conductive to discussion to keep threads up-to-date with active users and it stops people from having to search too far back.
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Old June 6th, 2013, 10:27 AM
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To stop people thinking that it's a new thread just because it's had recent replies and continuing to post in it.


It's just messier, really; and we don't want a load of active threads full of users who aren't going to reply to them anyway. Plus, if we removed the thread revival rule, then it'd be such a nightmare searching through old threads given how many of them we have for the same existing topic. It's just easier and more conductive to discussion to keep threads up-to-date with active users and it stops people from having to search too far back.
But how is it any less messy with the threads now locked in the index with posts from the mods saying it's been locked? And what harm is done from people posting in old discussions, if it hasn't been entirely exhausted? I guess it makes sense for things like art threads or hack threads where the owner might be inactive, but even then, if so, it will eventually drop down naturally because of lack of interest.

I do concede that it makes sense for giving newer threads more exposure though (although if they are getting pushed down, maybe that says something about how interesting they are in the first place?) Idk, I'm kind of playing devil's advocate here but I am genuinely curious.
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Old June 6th, 2013, 10:40 AM
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Many threads include out-dated information, dead links, and so on. This is most prominent in Creative Discussions, however the same can be said for news threads. We like to keep things up-to-date as possible, and relying on people to ensure that the threads they don't post in for over a month or two still have relevant information and live links would prove to be fruitless, and has done.

There's also the fact that a lot of discussions get exhausted, and need to be recycled. If someone sees the same discussion prop up over and over again with the same opening paragraph it may not actually appeal to them as much as if someone else had posted it with a different swing or phrasing on it. We're a land of equal opportunities here, there's absolutely no harm in seeing dead discussions see new light from another perspective in the future; nor is there any harm in ensuring that topics with obsolete information or links are prevented from being bumped over and over again.
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Old June 6th, 2013, 11:01 AM
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Actually it does block PMs from them. Just not VMs, which are collapsed. But you're free to delete VMs anyways.
Oh, that was poorly worded. I meant to say "nope" as in, "you can't see PMs by them", but yeah. x_x;
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Might I suggest that the revival cutoff for threads be raised to two or even three months?
Why was one month, specifically, settled on to begin with?
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Old June 6th, 2013, 11:13 AM
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Might I suggest that the revival cutoff for threads be raised to two or even three months?
Why was one month, specifically, settled on to begin with?
In my opinion, I'm completely okay with the one-month rule! Think about it in the case for sections like X and Y for example: It keeps conversations fresh and new, ready for anyone to discuss it. Think of it in a psychological sense if you will. Most things beyond page 2 or 3 in X/Y are considered to be one month old, and as such, they're okay to be re-made, to bring back more discussion about it (actual discussion is irrelevant but hopefully you get my point), and hopefully get some fresh perspectives, y'know?

I personally feel that, if it was raised to two or three months, that it would make it significantly harder to remake threads because of that one specific discussion thread that just wouldn't die, aka it would take threads approximately forever to actually "expire". But maybe I'm just thinking of things in the worst case scenario? For me, I want to re-make threads that have been dead for a month because I want to garner interest from newer people, and hey the same people can post in those threads too! It's really just to catch people's eye is all, kind of difficult to explain, really.
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