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Old July 13th, 2013, 02:27 PM
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Two Milwaukee men -- each with a state permit to carry a concealed weapon -- traded dozens of shots in a rolling shootout through two sides of town and down a freeway, the kind of scenario concealed-carry opponents feared would turn road rage incidents deadly.

No one was killed or injured in the June 26 incident, according to a criminal complaint that charges just one of the men, who says he feels like he's being punished for being a victim, with a crime.

"I can assure you, he was definitely the aggressor," said Eric Adamany, 27. "It absolutely blows my mind he's not been charged." Adamany estimated people in the other vehicle fired 50 to 100 rounds at his car.

Prosecutors won't talk about the case, and the second shooter couldn't be reached for comment Friday. But the gunfight is bound to spark more debate over concealed carry.

According to a criminal complaint:

Shortly after midnight, a man on the south side flagged down a police officer near South Sixth Street and Oklahoma Avenue in Milwaukee to say he had just seen gunshots coming from a black car at the stoplight.

Sheriff's deputies, alerted to the possibility of two vehicles possibly involved in a gunfight on Interstate 43, saturated the area near the North Avenue exit. One deputy was flagged down by Adamany near North Avenue and King Drive.

Adamany had put his black 9mm Beretta handgun on his blue 2002 Audi A4.

Meanwhile, another deputy was talking to Roy Scott a couple blocks away on

North Fouth Street. Scott told the deputy he was carrying a .40-caliber Ruger handgun.

Both men admitted they were in a gunfight but said the other had fired the first shot. Both were arrested and interviewed by Milwaukee police detectives.

Adamany said he had just left the Taco Bell near South 14th and West Burnham streets and had pulled over to send a text message when a gold Dodge Magnum pulled up. A passenger said, "What are you looking at, white boy?" showed a chrome handgun and fired at Adamany's car, hit the driver's side mirror and then sped off.

Adamany told a detective he reached for his gun immediately but the safety was on. He said he called 911 and began following the Dodge as it headed for the freeway and said that someone in the Dodge fired a few more shots at him. He said the two cars were swerving around other traffic before the Dodge left the freeway briefly at McKinley Avenue, then re-entered, still heading north.

That's when Adamany began emptying the magazine of his gun, shooting out the window with his left hand while driving and using the phone with his right hand, he told police.

"My radiator was hit, and the car was starting to overheat, so I aimed low to shoot out the tires," Adamany said in an interview with the Journal Sentinel. He said his phone was connected to 911 the entire time and that a recording will back up his story.

According to the complaint, Scott told a different detective that he and a friend were driving near South 27th Street and West Morgan Avenue when a blue car passed him. The other driver, Scott said, "mean mugged" him and showed a black handgun.

Scott grabbed his gun and displayed it before speeding away. Soon the blue car was chasing him, Scott said, firing shots. So Scott fired back out his driver's window, pointing backward over his shoulder with his right hand, while steering with his left.

Scott said he finally had to exit I-43 at North Avenue because all of his tires had been shot out, and his car came to rest on King Drive. He said the other man was still shooting, so he and his passenger ran away until they saw the deputy on North Fourth St.

Adamany said when he first took off after the Dodge, he though he was doing the right thing. I "just kept thinking: What about the next person? What if they didn't have a gun?" he said. "I think they were looking for a random person to shoot, honestly."

Scott, 27, could not be reached for comment Friday. A message was left for him at the Milwaukee gym where he trains as a mixed martial arts fighter.

Mayor Tom Barrett said his security staff brought the story to his attention as soon as it appeared Friday on JSOnline.

"This has always been one of my concerns (with the concealed-carry law) -- that things like road rage could turn out like the wild, wild West," he said. " Here we are."

Nik Clark, president of Wisconsin Carry Inc., a gun rights advocacy group, said both Adamany and Scott's actions fell well outside of any kind of responsible gun owner training.

But he also said their irresponsible gun use is outweighed by at least five instances in Milwaukee in which permit holders stopped crime or saved a life with their weapons.

"The fact that we now have a single instance where a CCL holder may have broken the law (and will certainly lose their right to carry as a result) doesn't change the reality that concealed carry works," Clark said.

In another recent case, a concealed-carry license holder was charged in a shooting. Phillip Green, 40, is charged with first-degree reckless homicide in the May shooting death of Ernest Banks. According to the criminal complaint, the two men got into a fight after visiting taverns together. Green told police he fired when he feared Banks was about to attack him again.
Ah, nothing like a nice serving of road rage with a side of bullets flying all over the place.

Each person, of course, gives a completely diffrient story.

No matter the story though, does a concealed carry permit give a person the right to engage in, pretty much, a driveby?
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Old July 13th, 2013, 04:12 PM
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Ah, nothing like a nice serving of road rage with a side of bullets flying all over the place.
Sounds like rush hour. Only less boring to sit through.


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No matter the story though, does a concealed carry permit give a person the right to engage in, pretty much, a driveby?
No, it doesn't.
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Old July 14th, 2013, 03:37 AM
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Oh wow, cool! I thought this stuff only happened in the movies! ^.^ Ha, honestly I'd say this is how most people would use a gun if they had one, to shoot at people who piss them off rather than criminals attacking you in life threatening situations as gun defendants claim we all need firearms for that purpose :/ Obviously, having a concealed weapon permit does not allow you to just shoot your gun off at people you don't like, and my opinion is that over saturation of weapons to the public without proper restrictions makes Milwaukee (and America in general) more dangerous and crime ridden then safer as certain pro-gun conservative American friends of mine seem to think. It's the Wild West over there, except instead of shooting up saloons and horse chases it's drive byes and school shootings I guess :/
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Old July 26th, 2013, 06:46 PM
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No matter the story though, does a concealed carry permit give a person the right to engage in, pretty much, a driveby?
Why would it? Do tell.
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Old July 26th, 2013, 06:51 PM
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Just because you have a conceal-carry license doesn't give you the right to use it however you want to. Any person with a lick of sense would know that, something that these two men obviously didn't know.
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Well imagine that, more guns creating more violence, even if it was inadvertent.
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