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Old July 16th, 2013, 04:38 AM
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Nah i dont think team Flare will be the only bad guys either.Fire needs to go with something else.
Team Frost sounds nice!What Pokemon will they be using?Sneasel/Weavel?
Hey I remember seeing Weavile versing an Audino on the official website. Also, Houndour is Dark/Fire is Sneasel being Dark/Ice it's not a bad idea o.O I kind of thought the other team would have some Fairy-type with them, like Team Flare was Yveltal and Team "____" was Xerneas...
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Junichi Matsuda said the said the inspiration for Kalos is France. There is very little support for Norse idea when Matsuda revealed France as the main inspiration.

Gamefreak has confirmed that there are more rideable pokemon than just gogoat. The strategy guide will have a small section explaining everything about riding pokemon, which ones you can ride and what ability they have to assist you on your travels.

Dragon type eevee has no support to existance. Sylveon is the only marketed Eevee evolution. Based on all advertisements Sylveon is all we are getting.
Actually there's a lot of support for the idea, the only problem is none of it is from GameFreak so until they say it is/isn't based on Norse mythology, nothing can be proven right or wrong.

They've only confirmed Gogoat and Rhyhorn, but I did see the Strategy Guide have a section on riding Pokemon, so yeah hopefully we'll be able to ride lots of Pokemon! (Please let me ride Arcanine GameFreak )

That's all true, and everyone points the other way, but I shall stay hopeful! There's the whole "Special-based' Eeveelutions, how Eeveelutions are released in pairs, how the pairs have one type weak to the other, etc. But that's just me trying to spark a fire in heavy rain I guess :/

Does anyone know if the Sylveon movie short has been released yet? I was hoping because they never showed a "problem" in the trailer (Like how they showed Genesect destroying the city in the 16th Movie) that it was a secret antagonist, tad dah ! Dragon Eevee vs. Sylveon! ... Though if the movies already out then...damn
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Old July 16th, 2013, 04:51 AM
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Hey I remember seeing Weavile versing an Audino on the official website. Also, Houndour is Dark/Fire is Sneasel being Dark/Ice it's not a bad idea o.O I kind of thought the other team would have some Fairy-type with them, like Team Flare was Yveltal and Team "____" was Xerneas...


Actually there's a lot of support for the idea, the only problem is none of it is from GameFreak so until they say it is/isn't based on Norse mythology, nothing can be proven right or wrong.

They've only confirmed Gogoat and Rhyhorn, but I did see the Strategy Guide have a section on riding Pokemon, so yeah hopefully we'll be able to ride lots of Pokemon! (Please let me ride Arcanine GameFreak )

That's all true, and everyone points the other way, but I shall stay hopeful! There's the whole "Special-based' Eeveelutions, how Eeveelutions are released in pairs, how the pairs have one type weak to the other, etc. But that's just me trying to spark a fire in heavy rain I guess :/

Does anyone know if the Sylveon movie short has been released yet? I was hoping because they never showed a "problem" in the trailer (Like how they showed Genesect destroying the city in the 16th Movie) that it was a secret antagonist, tad dah ! Dragon Eevee vs. Sylveon! ... Though if the movies already out then...damn

Xerneas being the Life pokemon puts it closer to the japanese myth of the guardian that protects the forest and Yveltal being the destruction Pokemon puts it closer to being a Yatagarasu which is a symbol of death and destruction. The unnamed eagle in norse myth plays no major role as far as destruction is concerned, and none of the four deer that live on yggdrasil symbolize life. There really isn't any concrete defense for the norse idea.

As for eevee, they are not always released in pairs, the very first release was a set of three. Being done twice after that has no standing as a truth. Special typing was already confirmed a false when Sylveon was released as Fairy Type. All marketing for Sylveon says she is the only new evolution. As for the Sylveon short, it airs right begore the Genesect movie. So yes its out. No one has made any comments about it but it plays right before the genesect movie in theaters.
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Old July 16th, 2013, 05:18 AM
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Xerneas being the Life pokemon puts it closer to the japanese myth of the guardian that protects the forest and Yveltal being the destruction Pokemon puts it closer to being a Yatagarasu which is a symbol of death and destruction. The unnamed eagle in norse myth plays no major role as far as destruction is concerned, and none of the four deer that live on yggdrasil symbolize life. There really isn't any concrete defense for the norse idea.

As for eevee, they are not always released in pairs, the very first release was a set of three. Being done twice after that has no standing as a truth. Special typing was already confirmed a false when Sylveon was released as Fairy Type. All marketing for Sylveon says she is the only new evolution. As for the Sylveon short, it airs right begore the Genesect movie. So yes its out. No one has made any comments about it but it plays right before the genesect movie in theaters.
The deer that live on Yggdrasil don't symbolize life, the Yggdrasil itself symbolizes life. Also, the region is based of France, and the myth itself is from Europe, so as slim as the chance that Xerneas and Yveltal are inspired by Norse mythology, I'd say it's not as slim as the Japanese one. I doubt they'd make a guardian of the forest when Celebi already exists and has that exact description.

I don't get what you mean by Special typing being false? Fact : Fire, Water, Electric, Psychic, Dark, Grass, Ice and Dragon were all Special types. Fact : We've had Fire, Water, Electric, Psychic, Dark, Grass and Ice eeveelutions. What part of this is false? If patterns were to continue the next eeveelution we would have gotten would've been Dragon. And if Fairy were to placed in Physical or Special base, it's pretty obvious it's be Special. Yes this is all speculation, but it was never "confirmed false".

So the Sylveon movie was released and no new Eevee, in my book that just makes it less likely, but never impossible. And we were never told that Sylveon "is the only new eeveelution", it's just highly unlikely.
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Old July 16th, 2013, 05:35 AM
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The deer that live on Yggdrasil don't symbolize life, the Yggdrasil itself symbolizes life. Also, the region is based of France, and the myth itself is from Europe, so as slim as the chance that Xerneas and Yveltal are inspired by Norse mythology, I'd say it's not as slim as the Japanese one. I doubt they'd make a guardian of the forest when Celebi already exists and has that exact description.

I don't get what you mean by Special typing being false? Fact : Fire, Water, Electric, Psychic, Dark, Grass, Ice and Dragon were all Special types. Fact : We've had Fire, Water, Electric, Psychic, Dark, Grass and Ice eeveelutions. What part of this is false? If patterns were to continue the next eeveelution we would have gotten would've been Dragon. And if Fairy were to placed in Physical or Special base, it's pretty obvious it's be Special. Yes this is all speculation, but it was never "confirmed false".

So the Sylveon movie was released and no new Eevee, in my book that just makes it less likely, but never impossible. And we were never told that Sylveon "is the only new eeveelution", it's just highly unlikely.
Fairy is not Special typed. That proves that the pattern is false. It cannot be specil typed either as it never existed during the Third Generation when Physical/Special were split by type. The fact a new eevee evolution was shown that was not of the special type means that them being special types is no longer a defining factor.

Yes all media covering Sylveon markets it as the only new eevee evolution this generation. It is refered to as the new. Not the newest, one of the new, or a new. The put focus on Sylveon. Corocoro didn't leave extra space and marketed it as the only new one. The movie says all evolution for eevee are in it. It stops on Sylveon.

Gamefreak has also said they follow no set patterns when designing things for the games. Eevee having pairs was nothing but coincedence. Sylveon is marketed as the only new evolution for Eevee, chances are it is the only new evolution for eevee.

Since its sorta relevant, mewtwo had one form in the movie, so good chance there is only one form fo it as well. If another form existed it would have been in the movie.

As for Xerneas, I just said that the deer on yggdrasil doesn't represent life. Why would Xerneas represent life if based on one of the four deer that live there. Only deer that represents life is a japanese myth. Xerneas is found in a forest so who is to say he's not a forest guardian? All the new info from Gamefreak pushes for more Japanese cultured legends than norse ones. Both Xerneau and Yveltal have more accurate relations with the japanese myths than norse ones.
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Old July 16th, 2013, 05:53 AM
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Yes all media covering Sylveon markets it as the only new eevee evolution this generation. It is refered to as the new. Not the newest, one of the new, or a new. The put focus on Sylveon. Corocoro didn't leave extra space and marketed it as the only new one. The movie says all evolution for eevee are in it. It stops on Sylveon.
"Sylveon is a newly discovered Evolution of Eevee! Experienced Pokémon Trainers know that Eevee can evolve into seven different types, and now a new Eevee Evolution with a different type has been revealed!"

A new Eevee Evolution, straight from the Official Pokemon site.

However it does say : "This means that Eevee can now evolve into eight possible Pokémon, each with a different type!" Which is kind of sad. I will agree with you that almost everything official declines a possible new Eeveelution, but I just can't completely rule out the possibility until X and Y come out.

But with the whole Special Type being false because Fairy isn't Specially based, well one it wasn't a type so we can't say if it would've broke the chain or not. And two, Leafeon and Glaceon were introduced after the Physical and Special Split ended, still remaining true to the 'pattern'. We have no way of knowing what Fairy would have been, so even though I don't think we'll get a new Eevee, I still believe that all Eevee's are 'special type based', but there really is no way of finding out.

Is there a Japanese myth that links these two together though? I know the Norse myth doesn't exactly 'link' these two together but they both live on the tree of life, and one Pokemon is called the Life Pokemon, while the other the Destruction Pokemon. It just seems so fitting.

Okay I'm so done with these myths and stuff, I don't care where they're from anymore, I just want to play X and Y. Now.

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Old July 16th, 2013, 06:28 AM
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I was thinking it would be interesting to have a team who uses grass types and who revere Xerneas, the land and the connection between humanity and pokemon. Let's call them Team Flora just to give them a name.

Team Flora are down to earth, non-materialistic, modest, contemplative, and want to protect the interests of the land and the relationship between pokemon and humans. (So kinda like a team of N's)

Team Flare are Snobbish, materialistic, flamboyant, destructive and are concerned only with themselves to the point where others will suffer.

Not sure if Team Flora would be evil, probably more like they would be activists causing trouble for the general community that while ultimately right...still causes distress. The team may be misunderstood.

The name for Team Flora could be better, is there a grassy word that means modest? (Like flare relates to fire and flair)

Maybe Team Earth (as in "down to earth") and how something earthy would be natural and modest.
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Old July 16th, 2013, 09:33 AM
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Xerneas being the Life pokemon puts it closer to the japanese myth of the guardian that protects the forest and Yveltal being the destruction Pokemon puts it closer to being a Yatagarasu which is a symbol of death and destruction. The unnamed eagle in norse myth plays no major role as far as destruction is concerned, and none of the four deer that live on yggdrasil symbolize life. There really isn't any concrete defense for the norse idea.

As for eevee, they are not always released in pairs, the very first release was a set of three. Being done twice after that has no standing as a truth. Special typing was already confirmed a false when Sylveon was released as Fairy Type. All marketing for Sylveon says she is the only new evolution. As for the Sylveon short, it airs right begore the Genesect movie. So yes its out. No one has made any comments about it but it plays right before the genesect movie in theaters.
Actually Yatagarasu symbolizes rejuvenation, as it's said to clean up after a great battle, that's not death...interestingly it's often associated with the sun, and in some myths I've read it's the guardian of Amaterasu, the Sun Goddess. Sun usually represents life or revival in a vast numbers of cultures, the Japanese included.
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Old July 16th, 2013, 10:24 AM
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Just out of curiosity, how many Pokémon do we think we'll be getting added from this generation? It was said the figure would exceed 700 but that would only be at least 51 Pokémon, idk for some reason I can't see them going any higher than 750.
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Old July 16th, 2013, 10:28 AM
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751 maybe. Not much more.
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Old July 16th, 2013, 10:51 AM
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I think around 750 is a good bet.I am guessing it will be 754 unless they do it like R/S/E then 770 but i doubt it.
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Old July 16th, 2013, 10:53 AM
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We could have a total of 800 if they add 151 new pokemons.
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Old July 16th, 2013, 11:39 AM
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I don't see the number hitting 800, 151+ Pokémon is a lot to take in is what I learned from Unova, though I guess some of those could be evolutions of past pokemon making it easier to keep track of all the families. Most likely something like 847-876 is my guess.
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Old July 16th, 2013, 11:52 AM
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I don't see the number hitting 800, 151+ Pokémon is a lot to take in is what I learned from Unova, though I guess some of those could be evolutions of past pokemon making it easier to keep track of all the families. Most likely something like 847-876 is my guess.
Thats way too much.Thats even more than the first gen.Did you mean 747-776?
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