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Old July 22nd, 2013 (11:53 AM).
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I'd like to attend a gay wedding, unfortunately this is Kansas, and it's not legal here. Which is ironic considering that everyone that I know (mostly) fits into one LGBT category or another. Even if we held a celebration, Westboro would probably show up, like they do to everything else around here. I hate it.
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Old July 22nd, 2013 (12:35 PM).
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I've attended a gay wedding, and it was quite fun! They tried more to have fun than make things too serious.

The food was pretty all over the place though, and I ended up with toast points (which I didn't know were a thing) and oysters, which are disgusting ;~;
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Old July 23rd, 2013 (06:18 AM).
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I've always wondered what they say at the end of a gay wedding...

"I now pronounce you.... men"
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Old July 23rd, 2013 (09:51 AM).
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I've always wondered that too....

Also, I've yet to attend a gay wedding, I would like to see how it is and all--men don't throw those flowers in a bunch right? :s
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Old July 23rd, 2013 (12:25 PM).
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Quote originally posted by Shining Raichu:
I've always wondered what they say at the end of a gay wedding...

"I now pronounce you.... men"
"I now pronounce you married."

Which, really, is how it should be for everyone, amirite? Your gender doesn't matter. Your love does.
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Old July 23rd, 2013 (01:59 PM).
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  • "I now pronounce you husbands."
  • "I now pronounce you wives."
  • "I now pronounce you human beings in a federally-recognized life partnership, in which you are eligible to receive benefits based on your relationship with each other."
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Old July 27th, 2013 (03:18 PM).
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Maybe something as simple as "I now pronounce you married"? Idk. I never really thought about it before, but now I am wondering what exactly they would say.

I was wondering if anyone here as heard Same Love by Macklemore? It is an amazing song about gay rights and it is all over the radio! The song apparently just went platinum. I think it is great that a song that would have been controversial not too long ago is now a hit. It shows how far we've come. If you haven't heard it, I suggest you listen to it.
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Old July 27th, 2013 (10:26 PM).
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Yes. I went to the youtubes thanks to you, and wooooow. It was absolutely amazing!! Macklemore is an absolute wordsmith and it was awesome hearing him express his message ... probably much much better than any of us here XD.
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Old July 28th, 2013 (08:03 AM).
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My friend told me about this song. It's good. I'm not much of a rap fan, but I liked it. Interesting that it's a white rapper though. I'm guessing there's too much stigma for a lot of black rappers to do something similar. Maybe that's already happened though, I wouldn't know.
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Old July 28th, 2013 (10:05 AM).
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I haven't heard a lot of his music, but from what I've seen, he hits hard at the non-mainstream side of things, so that just where he's coming from. There are black rappers that get at the non-mainstream topics/attitudes as well. I don't feel that there's any real stigma for black rappers. If they want to be mainstream, sure - but that's the same for fitting into any group, you have to go with the flow.
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Old July 29th, 2013 (12:08 AM).
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Have you guys heard "All-American Boy" yet? It's an openly gay song about a guy having a crush on another guy.

Lyrics for those that don't want to watch the vid, which you should do...:

Spoiler:

Ripped jeans, only drinks whiskey,
I find him by the fire while his girl was getting frisky.
Oh, I say we go this road tonight

He smiles, his arms around her,
But his eyes are holding me, just a captive to his wonder.
Oh, I say we go this road tonight

Now I know that that's your girl, I mean no disrespect,
The way that shirt hugs your chest boy, I just won't forget.
I'll be sittin here, drinking my whiskey.
I won't say goodnight unless I think ya might miss me.

Be my all-american boy tonight,
Where everyday's the Fourth of july,
And it's alright, alright.
And we can keep this up till the morning light.
And you can hold me deep in your eyes.
And it's alright, alright.
Be my, be my,
My All-American boy.

Ripped jeans, tight shirt,
He lights a cigarette, you know I'm glad that she can't stand it.
Oh, I drink the moonlight from his eyes

Now hold there, just a moment,
I want to take this in now, we don't need no photo of it, no.
We should go this road tonight.

Now I know that that's your girl, and I don't give a damn.
She's been cussin' and cryin', she don't know what she has.
So I'll be sittin here, tryin' hold down my whiskey,
You tell your girl good night cause somebody'd like to kiss me, ohh.

Be my all-american boy tonight.
Where everyday's the Fourth of july.
And it's alright, alright.
And we can keep this up till the morning light.
And you can hold me deep in your eyes.
And it's alright, alright.
Be my, be my,
My All-American boy.

Of all the girls and boys to look my way,
Ain't no body ever hit me this way.
So won't you come back with me,
And lay with me a while.

I'm gonna wrestle you out of them clothes,
Leave that beautiful body exposed,
And you can have my heart and my soul and my body...

Just be mine.

Be my All-American boy tonight.
Baby you light my fire!
I'll make you feel alright, alright!

And we can keep this up till the morning light.
And you can hold me deep in your eyes.
And it's alright, alright!
Be my, be my
Just, be my, be my
My all-american boy


The video's pretty beautiful, and so is the the singer/writer's story. I suggest you look him up.
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Old July 29th, 2013 (12:19 AM).
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It made me feel a bit queasy haha. It's unbearably sappy and we all knew it wouldn't end well X'D Also, incredible amounts of abs.

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Old July 29th, 2013 (12:31 AM).
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Old July 29th, 2013 (12:48 AM).
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Quote originally posted by GreatTornado:
Out to 4 people (was 2 before today) :DDDDD
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Reminds me that I might be next in line soon enough. I could anticipate to begin transition in a matter of two months the way things are going. My boss is a very mellow dude, but it should be an interesting (and awkward) situation either way.
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Old July 29th, 2013 (02:44 AM).
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Quote originally posted by BlahISuck:
It made me feel a bit queasy haha. It's unbearably sappy and we all knew it wouldn't end well X'D Also, incredible amounts of abs.
Well, he's not a signed singer. He maxed out his credit card and made it on his own. It's gonna be a bit cheap-ish, but it's pretty good considering.
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Old July 29th, 2013 (05:31 AM).
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Might as well post in this thread to tie any loose ends that may have been caused by my vehement protectiveness over such an issue... oh, and sorry for throwing this off-topic. Apologies.

I am a double package. My sexual orientation is bisexual and I'm transgender: I'm biologically male (*shakes fist*) but identify as female, and I have felt this way for over five years (and looking back, I was exhibiting signs of some sort of 'deviation' from extreme youth). I started screaming to the world that I was a girl when I was around 10 years old, and I received overwhelmingly negative reception from my parents (who cited 'puberty blues' or whatever) and from my academic peers (who considered me a complete freak). I was deeply hurt by this reaction and locked myself back in the closet at the end of the year and just hoped everything would die down and everybody would forget about it. To my happiness (and surprise), nobody seemed to remember the next year; my peers forgot all about it and my parents never mentioned it again. Of course, inwardly, I perceived myself as female more strongly than I ever had before.

In Year 7 (when I was around 12 years old), I attempted to come out again, this time to my parents. Unfortunately, a note addressed to my mother was intercepted by my father and I was taken to his office where I was calmly and coolly (but firmly) told off about 'scaring' and 'upsetting' my family's balance with such 'rubbish' and that it was all 'part of a phase'. Clearly, my father had forgotten about my vehement assertions a few years back, but I resolved to just throw myself as far into the closet as possible; I was still scarred from Year 5 and I did not want the same -- or a worse -- reaction from my parents and peers who wouldn't have known me from Adam. I feel I did a good job of covering up my inward identification as the opposite gender (I still identified as female, of course), but for a multitude of other reasons I was unable to fit in this school (which, I should mention, was an Anglican single-sex school) so I decided to transfer... to a Roman Catholic single-sex school.

In Year 8, I decided that to start afresh, I would attempt to close off everything relevant to my transsexualism. It was extremely painful to do so, and I spiralled deeper down a masculine pattern of behaviour purely to appease other students which disgusted me whenever I thought back on what I had done during the day. In September 2012, I woke up to myself and realised that what I was doing was in no way true to myself and was instead a complete perversion of what I had been attempting to do for myself all those years before. I reneged on all behavioural changes I had made, as they were in no way reflections of who I truly was, and I resumed openly inwardly identifying as female (not that the feeling had ever fully gone away) and behaving in the effeminate manner that I had been doing for so many years beforehand.

In February 2013, with the encouragement of certain Internet figureheads, I began identifying as female on the Internet (I had never done this before: I was worried about legal issues that would confront me if I identified as female on the Internet but with the help of this figurehead I put these beliefs to bed) and now identify as female everywhere I feasibly can. I attempted to come out earlier this year by writing a heartfelt, emotional and angry 600-word letter to my parents which was intercepted by my mother and quickly put to rest in an effort to quell any 'resurgences' of previous trends, so at least somebody in my family remembers things. However, I have a plan up my sleeve.

In order to iron out issues with socialising that I have in real life (I suffer from Asperger's Syndrome which, naturally, greatly impedes my ability to engage in and begin conversations) I am attempting to organise sessions with a counsellor. Through this counsellor, I intend to finally put to rest the constant issues I have had in real life and come out in a completely different manner: I intend to spill out everything I have said here and more to this counsellor and finally have the satisfaction of having come out to somebody who will not scathingly judge me in real life. I am very close to getting these sessions with this counsellor, and I am absolutely ecstatic to quell my demons and come out to somebody; anybody. Of course, as a consequence of this, my parents will be told too -- by the counsellor -- and I will already have somebody backing me prior to finally attempting to reason with my parents who have rejected my pleas so many times before.
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Old July 29th, 2013 (01:19 PM).
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Quote originally posted by Nine Inch Nails:
Might as well post in this thread to tie any loose ends that may have been caused by my vehement protectiveness over such an issue... oh, and sorry for throwing this off-topic. Apologies.

I am a double package. My sexual orientation is bisexual and I'm transgender: I'm biologically male (*shakes fist*) but identify as female, and I have felt this way for over five years (and looking back, I was exhibiting signs of some sort of 'deviation' from extreme youth). I started screaming to the world that I was a girl when I was around 10 years old, and I received overwhelmingly negative reception from my parents (who cited 'puberty blues' or whatever) and from my academic peers (who considered me a complete freak). I was deeply hurt by this reaction and locked myself back in the closet at the end of the year and just hoped everything would die down and everybody would forget about it. To my happiness (and surprise), nobody seemed to remember the next year; my peers forgot all about it and my parents never mentioned it again. Of course, inwardly, I perceived myself as female more strongly than I ever had before.

In Year 7 (when I was around 12 years old), I attempted to come out again, this time to my parents. Unfortunately, a note addressed to my mother was intercepted by my father and I was taken to his office where I was calmly and coolly (but firmly) told off about 'scaring' and 'upsetting' my family's balance with such 'rubbish' and that it was all 'part of a phase'. Clearly, my father had forgotten about my vehement assertions a few years back, but I resolved to just throw myself as far into the closet as possible; I was still scarred from Year 5 and I did not want the same -- or a worse -- reaction from my parents and peers who wouldn't have known me from Adam. I feel I did a good job of covering up my inward identification as the opposite gender (I still identified as female, of course), but for a multitude of other reasons I was unable to fit in this school (which, I should mention, was an Anglican single-sex school) so I decided to transfer... to a Roman Catholic single-sex school.

In Year 8, I decided that to start afresh, I would attempt to close off everything relevant to my transsexualism. It was extremely painful to do so, and I spiralled deeper down a masculine pattern of behaviour purely to appease other students which disgusted me whenever I thought back on what I had done during the day. In September 2012, I woke up to myself and realised that what I was doing was in no way true to myself and was instead a complete perversion of what I had been attempting to do for myself all those years before. I reneged on all behavioural changes I had made, as they were in no way reflections of who I truly was, and I resumed openly inwardly identifying as female (not that the feeling had ever fully gone away) and behaving in the effeminate manner that I had been doing for so many years beforehand.

In February 2013, with the encouragement of certain Internet figureheads, I began identifying as female on the Internet (I had never done this before: I was worried about legal issues that would confront me if I identified as female on the Internet but with the help of this figurehead I put these beliefs to bed) and now identify as female everywhere I feasibly can. I attempted to come out earlier this year by writing a heartfelt, emotional and angry 600-word letter to my parents which was intercepted by my mother and quickly put to rest in an effort to quell any 'resurgences' of previous trends, so at least somebody in my family remembers things. However, I have a plan up my sleeve.

In order to iron out issues with socialising that I have in real life (I suffer from Asperger's Syndrome which, naturally, greatly impedes my ability to engage in and begin conversations) I am attempting to organise sessions with a counsellor. Through this counsellor, I intend to finally put to rest the constant issues I have had in real life and come out in a completely different manner: I intend to spill out everything I have said here and more to this counsellor and finally have the satisfaction of having come out to somebody who will not scathingly judge me in real life. I am very close to getting these sessions with this counsellor, and I am absolutely ecstatic to quell my demons and come out to somebody; anybody. Of course, as a consequence of this, my parents will be told too -- by the counsellor -- and I will already have somebody backing me prior to finally attempting to reason with my parents who have rejected my pleas so many times before.
I'm glad you've put in such an effort to come out instead of shoving yourself back in the closet. You are a brave person for outing yourself so many times, and I'm ashamed that no one readily accepted you for who you are.

Just know that we're all here to support you :)

On another note, sorry I've been gone so long guys. I've been in Maui!

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Old July 29th, 2013 (01:54 PM).
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Oh, I didn't know there was a club like this. It's also good to know that I'm not the only trans person here--I was a bit scared of that. I actually joined this forum a long time ago, but I never posted that much. I have made some attempts now and then to return, but never for very long. Honestly, I wasn't much into Pokemon anymore during those times, so that probably contributed to my leaving. For whatever reason, I've recently gotten into Pokemon again. Specifically, nuzlocke challenges.

Anyway, I was born with a male body. I never identified as male, though. I grew up not understanding how I could feel one way on the inside and have the opposite body. I thought there was something wrong with me for many years. Keep in mind that I come from a tiny town in central Minnesota and my family is catholic. I was sheltered. I didn't even know what that being transgender was a thing until I was 15. I tried to be a guy off and on as I grew up. Even after breaking down and crying about being a girl a number of times.

Then hormones kicked in and made everything about a thousand times worse. I found that my body was changing in ways I hated. On top of that, I realized that I liked girls. Now, this is where I lose a lot of people, so I'm going to try to explain this the best that I can. By the time I realized that I liked girls, I had accepted in my heart that I was a girl and there was nothing I could do about it. I tried and failed to be a guy. The fact that I had to try at all was a red flag. I could accept being a girl, despite it all, but being gay? Being gay and trans felt like it was too much. I couldn't handle it.

I struggled with coming out as trans until I was 26 when I finally did it. I also struggled with being a lesbian for just as long. Still, I came out as a lesbian the same time as coming out as trans. Even now, I have issues with being gay. I can't find myself being proud of being trans or gay. It's just been a hard time. For some people I tell this to, they don't understand how it could be hard for me to accept that I like girls. I was born male, right? That makes it easy. No. No, it doesn't. We're not even talking about my internal conflicts with being gay. Hell, I've had friends accept I was trans, but then stop talking to me when I told them I was a lesbian. My mother also thinks that my homosexuality is a phase. One day I'll wake up and realize I liked men all along. Yeah, right.

I've had my share of relationships with men. I am panromantic, so I almost like them, but without that sexual spark, it can be hard. It's not impossible, mind you, but it's hard. I've had guys dump me when it finally started to sink in that I didn't want to have sex with them. Or they get paranoid about me cheating on them with a woman, which is silly because women don't show any interest in me. Just guys. Frustrating.
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Old July 29th, 2013 (02:21 PM).
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^ I would say "you lost me", but I actually related to a lot of that. So like, I know almost exactly where you're coming from. I'm agender, but I've always leaned towards male, and I'm also bi, sooo regardless of what gender I hook up with, it feels kind of gay. Being trans and being bi / gay is an odd combination, and it just a really extreme set of issues to grow up with. So it's no wonder that it takes so many trans people years to deal with / come to terms with situations like that.

As far as parents going "You're straight, and you'll realize it when you're older", that pisses me off. It's like, when you're 12 and you say you're gay, that's been known to change, or you figure out that you're bi eventually (not always). Young kids go through a lot of changes. Though, when you're nearly an adult and being told that, it's just insulting.
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I've been talking to new people, so at least I'm trying and not being a complete hermit.
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Old July 30th, 2013 (02:46 AM).
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I've been thinking about this for a while now, on and off and I wasn't really intending on publicizing my thoughts but recently I changed my mind and I will expose a bit of my madness to you guys today. Also note that this is a hypothesis driven off my own perceptions of the world and that there isn't much hard coded facts in it, I just want to see what opinions other people have and such. Alright, here goes.

I believe that usually it is the female in a relationship who desires to have a baby more than the man. To the point where I consider the possibility of some sort of inherent genetic thought process that runs through females to have offspring in order for humanity to continue on. In the current day, this world is quite overpopulated and I ponder whether the above occurs less frequently in women now. I haven't looked at any information regarding birth rate trends or anything to that effect.

Also I wonder if the rise in global population could have something to do with the increase of the amount of people who are not born 'straight' as nature's way of trying to bring balance back to this world. Somewhat like how some chemical reactions reach and maintain a dynamic equilibrium such that any change imposed on the reaction will eventually revert back to the equilibrium state. Over time there seems to be an increase in the amount of non 'straight' people born into this world but is this just because back then people were far more afraid of 'coming out' than they are now or is it due to my explanation above or a combination of both? I'm finding it a bit difficult to put it all into words but I'll try summarize my two fold hypothesis now.

Due to the consistent increase in world population over time;

1) Nature (or some sort of unknown force or genetic change in thought process / something) is partially responsible for causing a decrease in annual births per year, thereby lowering the global population and attempt to bring more balance to this world.

2) Nature (or some sort of unknown force or genetic change in thought process / something) is partially responsible for causing an increase in non 'straight' people being born into this world as a means to lower the global population and attempt to bring more balance to this world.

1) could pretty easily be disproved by a graph that shows an increase of annual births over a recent span of time. 2) is harder to disprove I think. I apologize if anyone takes any offense to any part of my hypothesis. It is not my intention to hurt or upset anyone (for once!)

Just some food for thought.
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Old July 30th, 2013 (02:54 AM).
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It's an interesting thought Drakow, one that many laugh and joke about, how there is one huge flaw.

Your hypothesis suggests that 'nature' has some kind of consciousness or is able to influence genetics as a whole - when everyone's genetic data is, basically, isolated from the world. Essentially the only way that 'nature' could be the cause would work is with a designer controlling it.

I believe, a more likely explanation to the 'boom' in non-cis-heterosexual-etc.s is two fold.

1. It is more socially acceptable to be out, therefore more are known.
2. There are more people in the world, so the minority (I believe homosexuals are predicted at 7%?) is more noticable. That 7% is now millions of people, and we are connected via the internet and social media, making our presence more known.

As far as I'm concerned homosexuality has always existed, whether openly or behind the curtains. I don't believe there are more homosexuals now, just more people who don't 'turn straight' to please society.
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2. There are more people in the world, so the minority (I believe homosexuals are predicted at 7%?) is more noticable. That 7% is now millions of people, and we are connected via the internet and social media, making our presence more known.
I don't think this is valid. The fact that 7% is now millions doesn't make it any more noticeable, because it's still 7%. The same proportion of a larger crowd is no more or less noticeable than that of a smaller crowd. The only way it would become more noticeable is if the proportion itself were to change.

Drakow, your thoughts are very interesting indeed! It brings about the interesting question about whether nature does have a consciousness. I'm no scientist, but what with brainwaves shooting all over the place and molecules and such, who knows what could be going on behind the scenes?

Also welcome blaziken25 and Psycho, I'll add you to the club list when you start posting in your new account. I'll keep an eye out for it
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