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Old June 22nd, 2014 (7:04 PM). Edited June 22nd, 2014 by forestguardian.
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Why would you want to talk about sex, masturbation, incest, child pornography etc on a Pokémon forum?
Exactly, some people will use the thread to mask them self, but they are really preying on certain people here, to whom they like.

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Exactly, some people will use the thread to mask them self, but they are really preying on certain people here, to whom they like.
What exactly do you mean by mask themselves. And keep in mind it doesn't take a sexual thread for someone to prey on someone. God forbid it happens, but if it does, it'll be dealt with. I very highly doubt the presence of sex threads that are being monitored and censored in some ways turns on that dangerous switch.
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It does, however, encourage sexual discussion over other PC-associated mediums- IRC, Server, VMs, PMs. And it's definitely not always reported when someone is uncomfortable or feel like they got in over their head. That kind of thing could easily be taken off PC areas and into personal communications. Sexual threads really do need to be closely monitored to protect the younger people who can participate in the discussion. Just because they have opinions and want to talk doesn't mean they realize they could get in over their heads or that they're prepared for people taking it too far (even accidentally). Too often, nothing is said by anyone. And it's the staff's job to keep PC safe. So if sexual threads are things that will stay, I ask that they are closely watched preferably by multiple members, staff or otherwise.
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Exactly, some people will use the thread to mask them self, but they are really preying on certain people here, to whom they like.
Your post confuses me. If by mask themselves you mean , they pretend to bean age that they aren't ,then that's hard to prevent. As for predators, like Dakota said, there's bound to be some even if there weren't sexual threads and if someone suspects someone as one then they can easily report said member and PC staff will address the issue right away.
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The interesting thing is if there is any such predation going on; allowing these threads would probably make it MORE obvious and would probably result in people being more open about anyone preying on them.

Threads of a sexual nature are fine by me. They're more scandalous than your average sort of topic which recurs "what do you like about yourself" "do you dislike this about yourself" "are you deep and dark" "are you secretive" "express your hatred towards other people and the world" x400000

And good god, if topics basically allowing you to mention your least favourite form of torture as you die are fair game, I think a lot more should be. Or maybe the clamp down should extent a little further if we want to be delicate snowpetals.

tl;dr: I'm in favour of them. It's grey area when it comes to what passes and what doesn't but tagging to keep the easily offended out might help.

definitely not doing this to be highly amused by shallow perverts that's not my MO at all okay
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Is there any particular reason one would have [Mature] material visible to guests at all? I'm just wondering. I get the whole "freedom of choice" bit with members, but I personally don't hold guests with the same liberty, which might be wrong of me. Could be a double standard that I just set up, idk.
Perhaps you mis-read my post, but that's what I'm suggesting. I would rather that mature material and discussions should be kept hidden from guests from the get-go, primarily as it may attract a crowd who may get the wrong idea about what this forum is about. PC is a Pokémon forum, first and foremost. Mature discussions make up a miniscule amount of the forum's discussion base. I'm not sure I'm comfortable with people searching "incest" or "sex" or something similar, along with "Pokémon" in the same query, and finding their way to PC from it. For whatever reason, I feel as if that may occasionally attract people looking for something that PC does not offer.

To add to that, I think that we would see an influx of bots coming onto the forum if we started having more mature topics. They would see words like "sex," "pornography," "cocaine," or something similar in thread titles when they skim Google results. And so we could see more "dangerous" bots if more of our search engine results involved key words of the more mature nature. Kind of an odd one, but it's worth making an effort to prevent.

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As long as it turns out better than the 18+ areas I've seen on other forums (perverted ♥♥♥♥holes), and people are mature about it, it doesn't seem like it would hurt much. Can't say that I personally would pay much mind to such topics, but there are plenty of people who causally discuss it. From the looks of things, this thread is brainstorming a good tagging / hiding methods for it, so I don't see what it would hurt. I like PC how it is, and I'd rather it not change, but I think that figuring that allowing such topics would cause the forum to do a 180 is over-thinking it.
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Gaiaonline is a PG-13 forum and I've seen a lot more mature and sexual subjects on there than on here so I think we're pretty good at maintaining a PG-13 forum. (On top of that the f word is considered acceptable there even though it was a PG-13 forum). I'm sure there's many 13 year olds who know of masturbation and probably have tried it themselves. So I really saw no point in locking that thread.

I do think there should be a (Mature] tag though for people who aren't as comfortable with sexual topics and for some younger users. I know at 13 I wasn't completely comfortable with sex topics yet. Even today, I set the mature tag on my tumblr and Devianart cause unless I'm intentionally looking for pornographic and sexual content, I don't want to see it on my Dashboard or DeviantArt's homepage.
Yeah if I'm honest, I don't think adding a [Mature] tag will change PC much at all. I foresee us having a lot more topics on sexual activity, narcotic use, and so on, but not a whole lot to change the kind of forum this is.

While I am very happy to see such a tag come in, I hope it doesn't change the content allowed on PC, too much. More mature discussion should by all means become more popular afterwards, in GC & D&D. However, I certainly don't think that PC should become an area whereby users are allowed to share pornography during a discussion on the field, or display graphic imagery and such things in general. Again, I feel that mature discussion should become less taboo, but PC rules will probably not change a whole lot to reflect this change. Like I say, mature discussion makes up a very small amount of PC's topics, PC doesn't need to shape its way around those topics, but more that these topics need to be integrated into PC better.

Add a [Mature] tag for Discussions & Debates, and General Chat. Hide these discussions from guests. Leave it at that. Let the sections themselves reference the mature topics in their rules/guidelines if they so wish, but allow for these kinds of topics to become less taboo, and integrate them into PC better. From there we can see how it goes, members can offer feedback and suggestions if there's room for improvement as they always have. In my eyes, nothing else needs to change or happen after that.
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Yeah if I'm honest, I don't think adding a [Mature] tag will change PC much at all. I foresee us having a lot more topics on sexual activity, narcotic use, and so on, but not a whole lot to change the kind of forum this is.

While I am very happy to see such a tag come in, I hope it doesn't change the content allowed on PC, too much. More mature discussion should by all means become more popular afterwards, in GC & D&D. However, I certainly don't think that PC should become an area whereby users are allowed to share pornography during a discussion on the field, or display graphic imagery and such things in general. Again, I feel that mature discussion should become less taboo, but PC rules will probably not change a whole lot to reflect this change. Like I say, mature discussion makes up a very small amount of PC's topics, PC doesn't need to shape its way around those topics, but more that these topics need to be integrated into PC better.

Add a [Mature] tag for Discussions & Debates, and General Chat. Hide these discussions from guests. Leave it at that. Let the sections themselves reference the mature topics in their rules/guidelines if they so wish, but allow for these kinds of topics to become less taboo, and integrate them into PC better. From there we can see how it goes, members can offer feedback and suggestions if there's room for improvement as they always have. In my eyes, nothing else needs to change or happen after that.
I can definitely agree with you there. I see that when people are restricted from something, we tend to want to do that thing more. So a [Mature] tag could definitely increase the number of sexual thread on PC. As long as they're not pornographic, I think we'd be fine. The tags will also prevent those who aren't okay with sexual threads not see them so there's benefits and drawbacks of the tag I guess.
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I'm confused as to why some people seem to think this will change the entirety of PC into some predator-filled wonderland. It's just allowing a larger variety of content to be discussed in a safe environment.

I don't like the idea of age-restriction indefinitely, since some of us minors can take part in mature discussions without giggling at everything naughty, but by default, I think hiding it for those who are not registered and those who are under eighteen is a good idea. Everyone should be able to toggle it though, even if you are underage.
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Old June 23rd, 2014 (1:22 PM). Edited June 23rd, 2014 by forestguardian.
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The interesting thing is if there is any such predation going on; allowing these threads would probably make it MORE obvious and would probably "result in people being more open about anyone preying on them".

Threads of a sexual nature are fine by me. They're more scandalous than your average sort of topic which recurs "what do you like about yourself" "do you dislike this about yourself" "are you deep and dark" "are you secretive" "express your hatred towards other people and the world" x400000

And good god, if topics basically allowing you to mention your least favourite form of torture as you die are fair game, I think a lot more should be. Or maybe the clamp down should extent a little further if we want to be delicate snowpetals.

tl;dr: I'm in favour of them. It's grey area when it comes to what passes and what doesn't but tagging to keep the easily offended out might help.

definitely not doing this to be highly amused by shallow perverts that's not my MO at all okay
I have to agree with "result in people being more open about anyone preying on them".Theres sexual forums out there that's meant to be for that, After all this is a Pokemon forum. You guys can do what you wan't, this is not my website but what i say is just words of wisdom, i could care less what you people say or choose to fallow. Nuff said, peace.
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Make an adult section. Make it 16+ to view it/respond (just an example age). if someone signs up with a fake age and suffers horrible consequences of people writing they jerk off once a day then that is their fault. I don't understand why this site is out to protect the young children of the world with internet access aka access to anything sexual. Sometimes I swear it is just butt hurt members.


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Threads of a sexual nature are fine by me. They're more scandalous than your average sort of topic which recurs "what do you like about yourself" "do you dislike this about yourself" "are you deep and dark" "are you secretive" "express your hatred towards other people and the world" x400000
I agree with this. I feel like I read the same 20 threads over and over. Why can I know who likes coffee and how they like it along with how much they hate themselves and how often they shave, but not if they jerk off once in a blue moon? I'm here to read it all.
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Why would you want to talk about sex, masturbation, incest, child pornography etc on a Pokémon forum?
I find it a tad ridiculous that your argument was that it's a "Pokémon forum"... Like, most of the members I know of are of a mature age, I'm pretty sure they could handle themselves in the right way. And clearly some members, such as myself, don't mind mature discussion. I mean, there are some pretty grim discussions on this site sometimes in the Off-Topic Discussions section sometimes but as soon as sex is mentioned...



I agree with the idea of tags and filtering. I understand and acknowledge some people don't want to see mature discussions about certain topics but they shouldn't be able to stop others who want to from doing so. Some people just need to shove their sensitivity up their **** and be done with it.
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You guys can have whatever you want, its your choice, not mine, i earned my place in life already, im to smart. But if reading messages about some girl touching herself turns you guys on, don't be freaked out if you find out its really a dude behind that account. Better yet a police officer imposter.
Come on, why can't you and others as well, be more openminded about things.

At least try to know what you're talking about.

I don't think you know what's legal and what isn't. Child pornography for example is illegal so it's obvious that's out of bounds to discuss. A legal girl touching herself however and describing it in whatever way she wants, is actually legal. I doubt that's what would be talked about however.

What I'm getting from this entire discussion is that it would allow a place for people to ask questions and discuss matters they might not dare to do anywhere else and in the process get more comfortable with themselves. Or to have actual discussions about stuff that might not be suited to everyone. Those are all positives, and whatever else will be discussed won't hurt anyone.

How I see it: if you don't like it, ignore it. It won't ruin the forum for you, it won't change the forum at all. You might even learn something from it!

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Can we seriously cool it with the insults over whether or not mature discussions can be allowed here? I understand that everyone wants to show how mature they are, but sarcastically insulting the other side is not the way to do it.

The flared tempers need to calm down. Any more insults and off-topic posts will be met with warnings and infractions.
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The slippery slope argument boggles me. Our standards haven't changed, nor will they any further if we choose to liberalize discussion on milder sexual topics. All we would do is allow the discussion of the forum to conform to our standards as they are now (and they apparently are more liberal than the status quo, considering the amount of activity on this thread). Allowing a thread about sex drive today doesn't lead to a thread about pedophilic thoughts tomorrow, because the vast majority of us aren't pedophiles.

I like abnegation's idea of tags. If you click, you know what you're getting into - or you can just not click. I especially like his idea of hiding these discussions from guests because guests don't concern me none. People can come for the Pokemon and stay for the community (now with less restriction on sexual discussion).
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I really don't give a ****. I've seen so many of these questions. Maybe this guy feels the urge to do what he asked, but is not sure whether it is normal. I know that some of the religious people will find this uncomfortable, but there are always going to be other religions and atheists. Everybody should be able to ask this question anywhere, whether or not just for curiosity or what not. It's not like he or anybody else actually posted a pic of himself/herself doing it. This shouldn't be closed, but should have a page like what Bulbapedia has for Shipping articles. An extra warning. But seriously, our ancestors from way way way back have had sex at as early as 14 or younger, so why can't we at least be able to hear and talk about it at that age now?
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I'm not sure if this would take it a bit too far or not, but in one of the previous pages, I've seen a suggestion of having some toggle option in user control panel, which would hide all threads from viewing that are tagged as [Mature]. In my opinion, it's not such a bad idea. If you're not wanting to see such things around but they're still visible in your eye, there's a big possibility that you might wind up clicking them regardless of how hard you try not to--it's curiosity. If they're not there, however, chances of this happening would be reduced to nearly zero.

This is definitely not a necessity, but it shouldn't hurt anybody to least have around; it'd help users when it comes to controlling what they read.
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The fact that PC has other threads and boards that aren't related to Pokemon means that we can talk about things other than Pokemon. In general though, you can only talk about Pokemon for so long...I mean, we are all humans, our interests go beyond Pokemon sometimes.

As for the maturity thing, in my opinion, it depends on how "crude" the thread is. If it's about vividly describing porn then yes, that's obviously not appropriate. But if it's talking about what age you first learned about masturbation then I don't see why that's so bad.

The Mature tag would be a useful thing to implement but people can figure out what the thread is about just by the title. If they can't, they can always hover over the link and some of the thread's content appears so you can skim over the OP without loading the page.
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As for the maturity thing, in my opinion, it depends on how "crude" the thread is. If it's about vividly describing porn then yes, that's obviously not appropriate. But if it's talking about what age you first learned about masturbation then I don't see why that's so bad.
Basically what the consensus is, yup! And I forgot to quote Gav, but I'm all for having the mature content hidden to guests.
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I'm of the opinion that so long as you aren't discussing explicit details about more mature topics, you're fine. You can discuss and talk about those kinds of things (sex, drugs, etc) and it not be a nsfw cesspit - and almost always, the threads are appropriate and under control. So keep and eye out, and maintain a degree of civility and everybody's happy.
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I'm of the opinion that so long as you aren't discussing explicit details about more mature topics, you're fine. You can discuss and talk about those kinds of things (sex, drugs, etc) and it not be a nsfw cesspit - and almost always, the threads are appropriate and under control. So keep and eye out, and maintain a degree of civility and everybody's happy.
I hope you don't mind me putting you on the spot, Nick, but I really do want to know your opinion, since you're a part of hstaff. The link I put in the OP (the closed thread), would fall under fair territory then, if I've read your post correctly, yes?
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I hope you don't mind me putting you on the spot, Nick, but I really do want to know your opinion, since you're a part of hstaff. The link I put in the OP (the closed thread), would fall under fair territory then, if I've read your post correctly, yes?
Ehh, I think the OP could have been a little less blunt, i.e., a little better worded, but I personally don't mind it thaaaaat much. But it's on the cusp of what I would deem acceptable/unacceptable.
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Very explicit discussions can be okay when done tastefully. I've seen quite of a lot of them on the internet. I respect people who wouldn't be interested in such topics, but I consider them to be like any other subject. Then again, I guess I could be too desensitized. Anyway, my point is that it should be treated on a case-by-case basis when considering whether a [Mature] thread is too explicit, instead of outright disallowing any [Mature] threads from being explicit.
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Say we implemented a 'mature' tag... would it be possible to make all threads with that tag need approval?
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I'd rather let the moderator decide what gets the "mature tag", or even still let them decide what's appropriate and what isn't in their section, and deal with them how they see fit without the need for a tag.
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This thread is so funny. Why people keep forgetting it's a Pokemon forum primarily? The target of the franchise won't really be interested and can actually be scared by this kind of content here. Not mentioning their parents not being happy with where they children spend time on the Internet.

Mature tag? Are you kidding me? As soon as you edit your age, you're eligible to view those threads. What are you going to do to verify they're actually younger? Ask for birth certificate? ID/Driving Licence photo? Those information are sensitive and people won't want to share them, obviously.

I've seen so many stupid ideas here, but this one beats them all combined. This also make me question Andy as the right person to moderate General Chat. This thread should be deleted right of the bat, not because "another mod told me it's not OK". Pokecommunity is for Pokemon, sex sites are for sex.
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