like you don't storm into threads and go ad hominem until the cows come home
You really shouldn't be talking, you're practically the queen of ad hominems. And unlike mine, you don't even tack an argument with them half of the time.
The story is perhaps better told in context. Where, in this case, drawing from the posts you wrote and presented here, ad hominem and straw man arguments are being thrown by
you rather liberally. Seeing this from an outsider's perspective, I'm not convinced that one side is at particular fault.
It is the responsibility of other users to go and determine what those are and call them out accordingly, users can continue to call whatever they want "straw man" arguments but until they identify why they are straw men such claims have no bearing.
Regardless, I don't care about the thread, because the context is how they treated me in VMs, not in the thread. The thread was the initialization of an issues.
You do not go and tell people that they should just suck up their offense after clearly throwing an insult that has no purpose except to purposely humiliate someone. You do not go and act like someone doesn't have a right to be offended by something you said, especially when the statement in question truly holds no value other than to humiliate another individual. And you do not act like that since you didn't intend to stir someone up that they have no right to be angry. This has nothing to do with the shit in the thread, this has to do with the fact that
Livewire apparently thinks its okay to say insulting things to people without provocation other than disagreeing with someone and then claim that because you're unimportant, I disagree with you or I don't like you that it's somehow okay. It's not, and it's especially worrisome that this behaviour is ignored for the fact that I use what you believe are ad hominems and strawmen.
Those things can be corrected - if pointed out why they are problematic - but going around and acting like somehow you are immune to being called out on being disrespectful and writing something that is clearly intended to be inflammatory is something problematic and needs to be addressed.
Yes, there are times that I call people idiot or making shit up, but that may be because I have observed what they have to say and they don't line up. For example, I said that Magic was "pulling shit out of their ass" because they cited a stark statistic that had no source. In addition, where there were misunderstandings, I apologized, repeatedly. I corrected my mistakes when they were pointed out to me. I say these things for a reason, I do not just go into threads and start shit up.
If you really want to know how I go about posting in threads, I tend to try to elaborate on posts that seem weakly argued or otherwise based only on "gut feelings" as opposed to logical debate. Debate isn't about "winning" and it isn't about "having everyone agree", it's about having different opinions and thinking about what you say. Perhaps my strategy in trying to stir conversation in threads is not appreciated because many people want to continue the trend of "look it's a thread where 99% of people agree and if there is 1% that doesn't agree then let's call them an asshole".
Again, if you don't agree with me, you have every right to call out my straw men and point out why in the thread you happen to believe they are straw men. I could be wrong and not understand why they were, and we could have an interesting discussion on the matter, but simply going around and saying "but but but you used strawmen!!" doesn't improve that situation. Explain why. That's a part of debate. You can't just go around and fling logical fallacy terms at people without explaining why it is, because you're not actually explaining why it's wrong, or even what's wrong with it.
Anyways, I'm not really surprised by the attitude of the staff on this forum and I have grown more and more disgruntled with their behaviour. I've seen them talking behind people's backs, taking down threads even though they're not against the rules, deleting posts for questionable reasons and act like completely self entitled jerks sometimes even - and most of the time it has nothing to do with me, it's how I watch you treat
other people. I don't think everyone on staff is like this obviously but it's a problem I've seen get worse over time. As seen in previous escapades involving other people I know who no longer attend this forum it is clear that individuals are not interested in actually calling out inappropriate behaviour, but rather defending each other and continuing to promote their own opinions. It's not an open environment, and it's clear from how you've treated me, and several other people on this forum, that you have no interest in maintaining an open enviorment.
