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Old June 5th, 2012, 01:15 AM
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Ok. So i was looking over my team, and i think it needs some tending to.


Un-updated Team:
Spoiler:
Lead:

Tyranitar @ Leftovers
Ability: Unnerve
Nature: Adamant
EVs: 232 HP 24 Atk 252 Spd
Moves:
- Crunch
- Stealth Rocks
- Pursuit
- Superpower

Sets up SR and takes hits while dishing out Crunch STAB. Superpower for coverage.

Baton Passer:

Smeargle @ Focus Sash
Ability: Own Tempo
Nature: Timid
EVs: 252 HP 4 Def 252 Spe
Moves:
- Spore
- Agility
- Swords Dance
- Baton Pass

Gets up speed and attack so can Baton Pass to Haxorus to sweep.

Physical Sweeper:

Haxorus @ Lum Berry
Ability: Mold Breaker
Nature: Adamant
EVs: 252 Atk 4 Def 252 HP
Moves:
- Outrage
- Brick Break
- Earthquake
- Dragon Claw

Destroys anything that opposes it. Outrage for STAB.

Special Sweeper:

Hydreigon @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Levitate
Nature: Timid
EVs: 252 SAtk 4 HP 252 Spe
Moves:
- Draco Meteor
- Dark Pulse
- Fire Blast
- Focus Blast

Really Fast and strong Dark Pulse for good STAB. Synergy with Starmie (takes hits from dark types)

Rapid Spinner:

Starmie @ Light Clay
Ability: Natural Cure
Nature: Timid
EVs: 252 SAtk 4 HP 252 Spe
Moves:
- Reflect
- Light Screen
- Hydro Pump
- Rapid Spin

Gets up Reflect and Light Screen, Hydro Pump for STAB.

Special Wall:

Skarmory @ Leftovers
Ability: Sturdy
Nature: Careful
EVs: 252 HP / 232 SpD / 24 Spe
Moves:
- Roost
- Whirlwind
- Taunt
- Brave Bird

Needed something to fill in the last slot and a good wall. Brave Bird
for STAB.


Updated Team:
Spoiler:
Tyranitar @ Leftovers
Ability: Sand Stream
Nature: Adamant
EVs: 252 HP 4 Atk 252 Spd
Moves:
- Crunch
- Stealth Rocks
- Pursuit
- Superpower

Sets up SR and takes hits while dishing out Crunch STAB. Superpower for coverage.

Wall:

Heatran @ Leftovers
Ability: Flash Fire
Nature: Calm
EVs: 248 HP/252 SDef/8 Spe
Moves:
- Lava Plume
- Roar
- Protect
- Toxic

Phazer, provides much needed support to my team (defensive-wise)

Special Sweeper:

Virizion @ Life Orb
Ability: Justified
Nature: Timid
EVs: 4 HP 252 SAtk 252 Spe
Moves:
- Calm Mind
- Giga Drain
- Focus Blast
- Hidden Power Ice

CM's and then proceeds to sweep.

Physical Sweeper:

Haxorus @ Lum Berry
Ability: Mold Breaker
Nature: Adamant
EVs: 252 Atk 4 Def 252 HP
Moves:
- Outrage
- Brick Break
- Earthquake
- Dragon Dance

DD Destroys anything that opposes it. Outrage for STAB.

Rapid Spinner:

Starmie @ Choice Specs
Ability: Natural Cure
Nature: Timid
EVs: 252 SAtk 4 HP 252 Spe
Moves:
- Trick
- Rapid Spin
- Scald
- Ice Beam/Thunderbolt

Great synergy w/ Heatran (i.e. takes water/fighting type moves intended for him) (i.e. Heatran takes Dark/Grass). Also works well on team.

Special Wall:

Skarmory @ Leftovers
Ability: Sturdy
Nature: Careful
EVs: 252 HP / 232 SpD / 24 Spe
Moves:
- Roost
- Whirlwind
- Taunt
- Brave Bird

Needed something to fill in the last slot and a good wall. Brave Bird
for STAB.


Constructive Criticism wanted and i am prepared to make drastic changes.
(Note that this is a WiFi Team And is all non-cheated)
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Last edited by Ninjagon; June 7th, 2012 at 09:30 PM. Reason: Typo; Stuff; lol fail
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Old June 5th, 2012, 03:11 AM
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For Tyranitar, Unnerve is illegal with Superpower due to the former being a DW ability and the latter being a Gen IV tutor move. Use Sandstream as your ability even though it may hinder everyone else. Use this EV spread to make the most out of Tyranitar's great special bulk: 252 HP/4 Atk/252 SDef.

Haxorus can learn Dragon Dance and Swords Dance to boost its Attack/Speed, so Smeargle is totally unnecessary. Replace Dragon Claw with either set-up move in that case.

In Smeargle's place, you can use Virizion because of its good defensive synergy with Tyranitar:
-Calm Mind
-Giga Drain
-Focus Blast
-Hidden Power (Ice/Rock)
Nature: Timid
EVs: 4 HP/252 SAtk/252 Spe
Item: Leftovers/Life Orb

or
-Swords Dance
-Leaf Blade
-Close Combat
-Stone Edge/Hidden Power (Ice)
Nature: Jolly
EVs: 4 HP/252 Atk/252 Spe
Item: Leftovers/Life Orb

or
-Work Up
-Close Combat
-Giga Drain
-Stone Edge/Hidden Power (Ice)
Nature: Hasty/Naive
EVs: 104 Atk/152 SAtk/252 Spe
Item: Life Orb

or
-Reflect
-Light Screen
-Taunt
-Giga Drain/Close Combat
Nature: Timid/Jolly
EVs: 252 HP/4 Def/252 Spe
Item: Light Clay

While Hydreigon is a good special sweeper in its own right, it shares weaknesses with Tyranitar and Haxorus. Use Heatran instead. Even though it has the same Ground/Fighting weaknesses as Tyranitar, it covers the weaknesses of Virizion and Haxorus:
-Lava Plume
-Roar
-Protect
-Toxic/Will-o-Wisp
Nature: Calm
EVs: 248 HP/252 SDef/8 Spe
Item: Leftovers

or
-Fire Blast
-Earth Power
-Hidden Power (Ice)
-Substitute/Flame Charge/Taunt
Nature: Modest/Timid
EVs: 252 SAtk/4 SDef/252 Spe
Item: Life Orb/Air Balloon

Starmie is doing too much at once. Use Forretress as your Rapid Spinner:
-Spikes
-Toxic Spikes
-Rapid Spin
-Gyro Ball/Earthquake/Volt Switch
Nature: Relaxed
EVs: 252 HP/176 Def/80 SDef
Item: Leftovers/Shed Shell
Ability: Sturdy

If you want to keep Starmie, use this set. This set uses its offensive Rapid Spinning capabilities to the fullest:
-Hydro Pump
-Thunderbolt
-Ice Beam
-Rapid Spin
Nature: Timid
EVs: 4 HP/252 SAtk/252 Spe
Item: Leftovers/Life Orb
Ability: Natural Cure
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Old June 5th, 2012, 04:28 AM
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You can utilize Trick on Starmie so it can cripple boosting/stalling Pokemon like SD Gliscor, BU Breloom, Chansey/Blissey, and many more.

Starmie @ Choice Scarf/Specs
252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid - Natural Cure
~Trick
~Rapid Spin
~Scald
~Ice Beam/Thunderbolt

If Starmie gets a hold of Toxic or Flame Orb, it is fine because you have Natural Cure to take care of it. You can also give T/F Orb to other Pokemon who will not enjoy it. With Starmie's awesome Speed Stat, it is sure to use a move first bar Choice Scarf user with base 115 Speed above. Reflect and Lightscreen won't work well with Starmie because it is too frail. It can only set up either of one in most situations.

Example of what Trick-mie can do.

Spoiler:
Battle between Musica and Haxor98 started!

Tier: Wifi OU
Mode: Singles
Variation: +19, -13
Rule: Rated
Rule: Sleep Clause
Rule: Species Clause
Rule: Wifi Battle

Musica sent out Starmie!
Haxor98 sent out Gliscor!

Start of turn 1
Starmie used Trick!
Starmie switched items with Haxor98's Gliscor!
Starmie obtained one Toxic Orb!
Haxor98's Gliscor obtained one Choice Scarf!

Haxor98's Gliscor used Substitute!
Haxor98's Gliscor made a substitute!

Starmie's Toxic Orb activated!
Starmie was badly poisoned!


Last edited by Musica; June 5th, 2012 at 04:58 AM.
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Old June 6th, 2012, 01:15 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PlatinumDude View Post
For Tyranitar, Unnerve is illegal with Superpower due to the former being a DW ability and the latter being a Gen IV tutor move. Use Sandstream as your ability even though it may hinder everyone else. Use this EV spread to make the most out of Tyranitar's great special bulk: 252 HP/4 Atk/252 SDef.

Haxorus can learn Dragon Dance and Swords Dance to boost its Attack/Speed, so Smeargle is totally unnecessary. Replace Dragon Claw with either set-up move in that case.

In Smeargle's place, you can use Virizion because of its good defensive synergy with Tyranitar:
-Calm Mind
-Giga Drain
-Focus Blast
-Hidden Power (Ice/Rock)
Nature: Timid
EVs: 4 HP/252 SAtk/252 Spe
Item: Leftovers/Life Orb

or
-Swords Dance
-Leaf Blade
-Close Combat
-Stone Edge/Hidden Power (Ice)
Nature: Jolly
EVs: 4 HP/252 Atk/252 Spe
Item: Leftovers/Life Orb

or
-Work Up
-Close Combat
-Giga Drain
-Stone Edge/Hidden Power (Ice)
Nature: Hasty/Naive
EVs: 104 Atk/152 SAtk/252 Spe
Item: Life Orb

or
-Reflect
-Light Screen
-Taunt
-Giga Drain/Close Combat
Nature: Timid/Jolly
EVs: 252 HP/4 Def/252 Spe
Item: Light Clay

While Hydreigon is a good special sweeper in its own right, it shares weaknesses with Tyranitar and Haxorus. Use Heatran instead. Even though it has the same Ground/Fighting weaknesses as Tyranitar, it covers the weaknesses of Virizion and Haxorus:
-Lava Plume
-Roar
-Protect
-Toxic/Will-o-Wisp
Nature:this is a wifi team Calm
EVs: 248 HP/252 SDef/8 Spe
Item: Leftovers

or
-Fire Blast
-Earth Power
-Hidden Power (Ice)
-Substitute/Flame Charge/Taunt
Nature: Modest/Timid
EVs: 252 SAtk/4 SDef/252 Spe
Item: Life Orb/Air Balloon

Starmie is doing too much at once. Use Forretress as your Rapid Spinner:
-Spikes
-Toxic Spikes
-Rapid Spin
-Gyro Ball/Earthquake/Volt Switch
Nature: Relaxed
EVs: 252 HP/176 Def/80 SDef
Item: Leftovers/Shed Shell
Ability: Sturdy

If you want to keep Starmie, use this set. This set uses its offensive Rapid Spinning capabilities to the fullest:
-Hydro Pump
-Thunderbolt
-Ice Beam
-Rapid Spin
Nature: Timid
EVs: 4 HP/252 SAtk/252 Spe
Item: Leftovers/Life Orb
Ability: Natural Cure
Ok so ditch Smeargle and Hydreigon for Virizion and Heatran and change T-tar, got it.


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Starmie @ Choice Scarf/Specs
252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid - Natural Cure
~Trick
~Rapid Spin
~Scald
~Ice Beam/Thunderbolt
This set seems the most promising.

Anything else?

BTW this is a wifi team
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Last edited by Ninjagon; June 6th, 2012 at 03:09 AM. Reason: typo; this is a wifi team
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Old June 7th, 2012, 08:34 AM
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You can make heatran a physical wall. It can take care of something like mammoswine with ice shard. It survives EQ and can roar it out too.
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Old June 7th, 2012, 06:08 PM
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You can make heatran a physical wall. It can take care of something like mammoswine with ice shard. It survives EQ and can roar it out too.
Um sorry but wtf. It doesn't survive an EQ, totally aside from the fact that is infact a horrible switch into Mamoswine/physical wall lol...
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Old June 8th, 2012, 05:39 AM
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I meant Air Balloon Heatran vs. a Scarfed/Banded Mamoswine using EQ. If it uses Ice Shard, Heatran would be able to wall it. Was too lazy typing, sorry. Defensive Heatran helped me out taking care of it in most cases.

Last edited by Musica; June 8th, 2012 at 05:55 AM.
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Old June 14th, 2012, 07:01 AM
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I like your team, and Tyranitar is a great Tank. The only thing i will say is i have had some very bad experience with sand stream on a non-weather based team. I would suggest changing T-tar or even better keep him and swap out a few others. Really you could make great use of the Sand Stream. Skarmory and Heatran are naturally unaffected. If you simply took out one poke and replaced it with Hippowdon who is also slightly bulky you would have two Sand Streamers as well as two that benefit from it and four out of six would be unhurt by it. Other Bulky pokes to consider would be Mamoswine, Scizor, or Metagross. Hope i helped.
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Old June 16th, 2012, 03:11 AM
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I might put it in Scizor... It has STAB Priority move; Bullet Punch, along with a Life Orb and you have areal threat there... I will consider it.
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Old June 16th, 2012, 07:44 AM
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You have alot of special walls on the team, and skarmory probably isnt that great of one. If I were you I would switch skarmory to a physical wall to get better synergy with the others. If you have too many special walls a fast physical poke could wreck this team.
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Old June 16th, 2012, 11:27 AM
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Sorta looks like you're going for a balanced team. At the moment, Haxorus is definitely the weak link. I'd drop haxorus for something like rotom-w. With rotom-w, you can easily handle all rain teams in combination with virizion. Another interesting thing would be to try your hand at a choice band tyranitar and run stealth rock on heatran. Just some food for thought, quick rate, gl!
 
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