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Old September 13th, 2012 (08:14 PM).
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Need to know who should be replaced if not all of them. My best pokemon seems to be

Haxorus (78) / Rivalry Ev 255 Atk and Spd

Jolly, Holds Dragon Fang

Hp 216 Dragon Claw
Atk 306 Earthquake
Def 160 Dragon Dance
Sp Atk 94 Aerial Ace
Sp Def 138
Spd 249

Rest of the "team"

Garchomp (84)/ Sand Veil Ev 255 Atk and Spd

Lonely, Choice Scarf

HP 292 Dragon Rush
Atk 316 Dragon Claw
Def 158 Swords Dance
Sp Atk 153 Earthquake
Sp Def 178
Spd 221

Hydreigon (86) / Levitate Ev 255 Sp Atk and Spd

Rash, Expert Belt

Hp 255 Outrage
Atk 211 Hyper Voice
Def 179 Dragon Pulse
Sp Atk 312 Work up
Sp Def 144
Spd 237

Inferape (96) / Blaze EV unknown

Impish, Black Belt/Charcoal

HP 294 Flamethrower
Atk 249 Bulk up
Def 195 Close Combat
Sp atk 216 Earthquake
Sp Def 154
Spd 256

Ferrothorn (51) / Iron barbs (Work in progress yet) Ev 255 Def and Sp Def

sassy / Rocky Helmet

Hp 145 Iron Head
Atk 110 Poison Jab
Def 186* Power Whip
Sp Atk 72 Curse
Sp Def 168*
Spd 30

* thinking that should be better.

Blastoise (100) / Torrent EV Unknown

Lax, Leftovers/Mystic water

Hp 277 Ice Beam
Atk 228 Surf
Def 269 Flash Cannon
Sp atk 217 Protect
Sp def 214
Spd 230

SPARES

Forretress / Sturdy (still training @ 35) Ev 255 Def and Sp Def

Sassy

Hp 101 Payback
Atk 79 Earthquake
Def 132 Toxic
Sp Atk 51 Bug Bite
Sp Def 75
Spd 38

Feraligatr (100) / Torrent Ev Unknown

Impish

HP 303 Crunch
Atk 248 Ice Beam
Def 249 Earthquake
Sp Atk 185 Superpower
Sp Def 187
Spd 226

Blastoise (50) / Torrent Ev 255 Def and Sp Def

Hp 177 Ice Beam
Atk 90 Surf
Def 158* Iron Defense
Sp Atk 102 Protect
Sp Def 120
Spd 95


All help is appreciated
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Old September 13th, 2012 (08:46 PM).
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The natures, items, EVs and abilities are important here, not just the stats.

Anyway:

Aerial Ace is terrible generally, unless you're paranoid of Heracross, Breloom and Virizion (they're hit hard enough by Outrage already). Replace it with Dragon Claw or Dual Chop as an alternative STAB, Taunt to prevent the opponent from setting up or Superpower to hit Ferrothorn hard.

Garchomp is an Uber. Just saying. Find someone else.

Never, ever use Hyper Voice on something that has Dragon moves, like Hydreigon, as Hyper Voice has redundant coverage with Hydreigon's Dragon STAB. If you want your Hydreigon to go mixed, here are some possible sets:
-Draco Meteor
-Outrage/Crunch
-Earthquake
-Fire Blast
Nature: Hasty/Naive
EVs: 104 Atk/240 SAtk/164 Spe
Item: Expert Belt/Life Orb

or
-Draco Meteor
-Fire Blast
-Superpower
-Roost/Earthquake/Dark Pulse
Nature: Rash
EVs: 4 Atk/252 SAtk/252 Spe
Item: Expert Belt/Life Orb
(latter set possible only with B2/W2)

Ferrothorn is more of a support mon, IMO. It's better with this set to make the most out of its support movepool. Gyro Ball is the better Steel STAB over Iron Head because Ferrothorn is too slow to utilize the flinch chance and Gyro Ball benefits from Ferrothorn's bad Speed:
-Spikes/Stealth Rock
-Leech Seed
-Power Whip/Protect
-Gyro Ball/Thunder Wave/Protect
Nature: Relaxed
EVs: 252 HP/88 Def/168 SDef
Item: Leftovers/Shed Shell/Rocky Helmet

Jellicent is the superior option over Blastoise because of its better defensive typing and excellent synergy with Ferrothorn:
-Scald/Surf
-Will-o-Wisp/Toxic
-Recover
-Taunt
Nature: Bold
EVs: 248 HP/216 Def/44 Spe
Item: Leftovers

or
-Scald
-Shadow Ball/Ice Beam
-Recover
-Toxic/Will-o-Wisp
Nature: Calm
EVs: 252 HP/36 Def/220 SDef
Item: Leftovers
Ability: Water Absorb

Forretress basically faces competition with Ferrothorn because both have access to hazards. While Ferrothorn has a better defensive typing and overall bulk, Forretress has slightly higher Defense and access to Volt Switch and Rapid Spin to escape Magnezone or get rid of hazards respectively. Donphan would be a good fit here, IMO (you may have to trade with someone for it, though):
-Stealth Rock
-Rapid Spin
-Earthquake
-Toxic/Roar/Knock Off
Nature: Impish
EVs: 252 HP/4 Atk/252 Spe
Item: Leftovers
Ability: Sturdy

or
-Rapid Spin
-Earthquake
-Stone Edge/Head Smash/Fire Fang
-Ice Shard/Stealth Rock
Nature: Adamant
EVs: 252 HP/252 Atk/4 Def
Item: Leftovers
Ability: Sturdy

Again, Feraligatr sucks in OU. Loads of Water Pokemon can do its job better, like Gyarados:
-Dragon Dance
-Waterfall
-Stone Edge
-Earthquake/Bounce
Nature: Jolly/Adamant
EVs: 252 Atk/4 Def/252 Spe
Item: Life Orb/Lum Berry/Wacan Berry

or
-Substitute
-Dragon Dance
-Waterfall
-Stone Edge/Bounce
Nature: Adamant
EVs: 56 HP/248 Atk/204 Spe
Item: Leftovers

or
-Dragon Dance
-Taunt
-Waterfall
-Stone Edge/Bounce
Nature: Adamant
EVs: 176 HP/128 Atk/204 Spe
Item: Leftovers

or
-Rest
-Sleep Talk
-Waterfall
-Dragon Tail/Roar
Nature: Impish
EVs: 248 HP/252 Def/8 Spe
Item: Leftovers
Ability: Intimidate

or
-Taunt
-Thunder Wave
-Waterfall
-Dragon Tail
Nature: Impish
EVs: 252 HP/252 Def/4 Spe
Item: Leftovers
Ability: Intimidate
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Old September 13th, 2012 (08:51 PM). Edited September 13th, 2012 by AdrianD.
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Ive done Some research on tournaments and such and Ubers dont seem to be banned that I know of.

Can Hydro be worked with that in its current state. Such a pain in the butt to breed for the specific nature once again. Also where can Draco be taught. I think I am missing something here

Mainly Ive used hyper Voice for combos in doubles such as Earthquake and Hyper voice to do a double KO

What about thoughts I getting a Charizard with a rash nature (still charmander)
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Old September 14th, 2012 (07:17 AM).
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Quote originally posted by AdrianD:
Haxorus (78) / Rivalry Ev 255 Atk and Spd

Jolly, Holds Dragon Fang

Hp 216 Dragon Claw
Atk 306 Earthquake
Def 160 Dragon Dance
Sp Atk 94 Aerial Ace
Sp Def 138
Spd 249
Because you only have one dragon type move on Haxorus, it's a little counter productive to be using the Dragon Fang. Use Life Orb or Lum Berry instead. Mold Breaker is also the superior option over Rivalry because of its reliability and usefulness (letting you hit things like Latias, Rotom-W, and Gengar).

Quote originally posted by AdrianD:
Hydreigon (86) / Levitate Ev 255 Sp Atk and Spd

Rash, Expert Belt

Hp 255 Outrage
Atk 211 Hyper Voice
Def 179 Dragon Pulse
Sp Atk 312 Work up
Sp Def 144
Spd 237
Hydreigon can learn Draco Meteor from Iris / Dreyden depending on your version in Opelucid City. Hydreigon has a hard time working with you're current set. Definitely go with the set(s) PlatinumDude recommended.

Quote originally posted by AdrianD:
Inferape (96) / Blaze EV unknown

Impish, Black Belt/Charcoal

HP 294 Flamethrower
Atk 249 Bulk up
Def 195 Close Combat
Sp atk 216 Earthquake
Sp Def 154
Spd 256
The Black Belt only enhances Fighting type moves, and (just like Haxorus) doesn't really benefit the set as a whole. He likes having a Life Orb instead. Also, Infernape can't use Bulk Up too well because it's not meant to hang around for long. Moves like Nasty Plot or Swords Dance are better. But if you want to run a mixed Infernape set, try this:

Infernape @ Life Orb
Blaze
Naive [+Speed ; -Sp. Defense] / Hasty [+Speed ; -Defense]
252 Attack / 4 Sp. Attack / 252 Speed
- Overheat
- Close Combat
- U-Turn / Grass Knot
- Stone Edge / Mach Punch

Lastly, Pokemon like Charizard don't work too well in OU because of it's typing, the prevalence of SR, and the fact that there are other stronger Pokemon that can do Charizard's job better (like your Infernape). If, for whatever reason, you do go with Charizard, I suggest you go with Donphan like PlaninumDude recommended. Just be wary of Ice Shard!

Good luck! :3
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Old September 14th, 2012 (10:25 PM).
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So pretty much for each pokemon I have I should have another one to negate the weaknesses?

What are peoples thoughts on Sableye?
 
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