Ultimate Showdown : Pokemon vs Digimon

*sigh*
the most powerful pokemon is arceus.
arceus's power is at a universal level.
digimon on the other hand have various universe & multiverse busters throughout the series.
if we're talking all out warfare, theres quite a few digimon & being created by digimon that are at the tengan toppa gurren lagann level

famon said:

This is veemon kicking Millenniumon and Zeedmilenniumon's butt --

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and this is a starly can pwning arceus

I honestly prefer Pokemon over Digimon based on two things:

I think Digimon's art style is atrocious, and every Digimon is ugly as all hell, and I also think the naming convention of adding "-mon" to the end of everything is also awful and stupid.

Sh*t! This is hard! I prefer Pokemon!

Digimon..... sorry, but I love Pokemon than you! Even you too have Mega Evolution, Pokemon's Mega Evolution is better, but you are still a living legend.... :)

shadowmoon522 said:

*sigh*
the most powerful pokemon is arceus.
arceus's power is at a universal level.
digimon on the other hand have various universe & multiverse busters throughout the series.
if we're talking all out warfare, theres quite a few digimon & being created by digimon that are at the tengan toppa gurren lagann level

Spoiler:

and this is a starly can pwning arceus

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First of All , NEO is not a Digimon ! He is a Digital lifeform similar to Yggdrasil and Homeostasis.
Also , Most fact about Digimon are just made up hype.
Its like how Most Omegamon Fanboy claim Omegamon X can destroy multiverse with "All Delete" without knowing true measurement of "All Delete" .
The Only known fact that "All Delete" unleash the true potential of Gray sword and annihilate everything!
Nobody knows how powerful "All Delete" really is since it only appeared in Movie ! Some consider "All Delete" to be a "Reset Call" for Yggdrasil instate of an attack.
There is an entire thread about this topic in Digimon Form.

Also , If only you read the description of that Video ! That Move won't work if Arceus had Ghost plate and if he use a status move to put Starly to sleep .
If Zeedmilenniumon was in the same Game-play as Arceus that he also would get his ass kicked by Starly because Endeavor gain power if Target HP is higher then User .Plus that starly was holding a Focus sash that allow him to survive with 1 HP even if it get hit by "One-hit-Ko" attack.
Actually Zeedmilenniumon will get his ass kick In just One turn in that Gameplay due to his high HP.
However that only in that Gameplay.
Because Generally Starly will get bounce off if he hit ether one of them.

That what we using here , We are not using Anime or Game logic ! We are using general logic.
After all , Even Lucemon and Huanglongmon got depowered in Xros War ! Specially Huanglongmon who become a Slave of another Digimon despite being the Leader of 4 holy beast.

Famon said:

First of All , NEO is not a Digimon ! He is a Digital lifeform similar to Yggdrasil and Homeostasis.
Also , Most fact about Digimon are just made up hype.
Its like how Most Omegamon Fanboy claim Omegamon X can destroy multiverse with "All Delete" without knowing true measurement of "All Delete" .
The Only known fact that "All Delete" unleash the true potential of Gray sword and annihilate everything!
Nobody knows how powerful "All Delete" really is since it only appeared in Movie ! Some consider "All Delete" to be a "Reset Call" for Yggdrasil instate of an attack.
There is an entire thread about this topic in Digimon Form.

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yggdrasil is the 9000 digimon & is unique as its a digimon without "mon" at the end of its name. saying its not a digimon is like say arceus is not a pokemon. neo was created by a digimon and all delete is just as bad as claims of omnipotence and even if Homeostasis we're to be included in this, it's still to weak to do much more then possess a human with light embodiment powers and tell the future.

Famon said:

Also , If only you read the description of that Video ! That Move won't work if Arceus had Ghost plate and if he use a status move to put Starly to sleep .If Zeedmilenniumon was in the same Game-play as Arceus that he also would get his ass kicked by Starly because Endeavor gain power if Target HP is higher then User .Plus that starly was holding a Focus sash that allow him to survive with 1 HP even if it get hit by "One-hit-Ko" attack.
Actually Zeedmilenniumon will get his ass kick In just One turn in that Gameplay due to his high HP.
However that only in that Gameplay.
Because Generally Starly will get bounce off if he hit ether one of them.

That what we using here , We are not using Anime or Game logic ! We are using general logic.
After all , Even Lucemon and Huanglongmon got depowered in Xros War ! Specially Huanglongmon who become a Slave of another Digimon despite being the Leader of 4 holy beast.

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exactly my point. game mechanics & plot devices do not show the true power of anything.
we are going by what powers have been shown without the whole "main character(s) & co will always win" crap or the claim or omnipotence which is in itself a contradiction.
going by feats alone each arceus(unless their all the same one, which i doubt) have each created a universe of their own with or without the help of 2 or 3 of it's children. the myth's where kind of cryptic on that part. but their myth's so it's kinda hard to tell how true they even are.
the fact remains that by comparison the information about zeed in comparison to the information on arceus, arceus isn't on the same level.

Zeed Millenniumon, Digimon Reference book:

Flying freely between space and time, it is a king of evil that is still trying to destroy all eras and worlds. Although a Digimon will become a Digitama if defeated in battle, there are very rare occasions when it has instead been reborn from within the corpse of its data. According to one theory, when Millenniumon died in a furious battle, the dark soul it possessed was reborn as Zeed Millenniumon. Also, as for the bands which wrap around Zeed Millenniumon, it is said that they are like chains which suppress its abilities, but it is unknown who could cast such a spell on Zeed Millenniumon. However, it is foretold that if it is released from this spell, it will rain unfathomable destruction upon the Digital World. Its Special Move is "Time Destroyer", which consigns hostile opponents to oblivion across space and time. So far, no one who has been brushed off by this technique has returned alive from space and time.

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then we got arceus by pokedex:

arceus is a universe creator, zeedmillenniummon is a multiverse destroyer that can literately show up anywhere at random.
you also have to think of the possibility that there's something out there that might just be a digimon powerful enough to seal it.
i mean, unless it somehow ended up in the medakabox universe & sealed by Najimi Ajimu or some other universe with being's powerful enough to seal it.
then again, it's kinda hard to tell if something with more power or less power placed the power limiter on zeed.

shadowmoon522 said:

yggdrasil is the 9000 digimon & is unique as its a digimon without "mon" at the end of its name. saying its not a digimon is like say arceus is not a pokemon. neo was created by a digimon and all delete is just as bad as claims of omnipotence and even if Homeostasis we're to be included in this, it's still to weak to do much more then possess a human with light embodiment powers and tell the future.

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Oh my God , You know nothing about Digimon or Pokemon.
Yggdrasil is The "Host Computer" that govern the Digital World ! Its not a Digimon .
Same thing with NEO , He is a artificial Digital Lifeform created from combining 8 Digimemory and he's only exclusive to Manga.
Also , Only Omegamon's fanboy claims "All Delete" to be omnipotence ! There is no actual proof or fact to prove it. While others consider it to be a "Reset Call" Yggdrasil Or Just a Blade that delete everything it touchs like Sesshōmaru's Bakusaiga.

exactly my point. game mechanics & plot devices do not show the true power of anything.
we are going by what powers have been shown without the whole "main character(s) & co will always win" crap or the claim or omnipotence which is in itself a contradiction.
going by feats alone each arceus(unless their all the same one, which i doubt) have each created a universe of their own with or without the help of 2 or 3 of it's children. the myth's where kind of cryptic on that part. but their myth's so it's kinda hard to tell how true they even are.
the fact remains that by comparison the information about zeed in comparison to the information on arceus, arceus isn't on the same level.

Zeed Millenniumon, Digimon Reference book:


then we got arceus by pokedex:

arceus is a universe creator, zeedmillenniummon is a multiverse destroyer that can literately show up anywhere at random.
you also have to think of the possibility that there's something out there that might just be a digimon powerful enough to seal it.
i mean, unless it somehow ended up in the medakabox universe & sealed by Najimi Ajimu or some other universe with being's powerful enough to seal it.
then again, it's kinda hard to tell if something with more power or less power placed the power limiter on zeed.

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I read those description long before you did.
And Zeedmillenniumon description doesn't said anything about him destroying multiple Universe .Its simply said that "Zeemmillenniemon TRYING to destory all world & era" which mean he doesn't have the power to destroy multiverse or he wouldn't have to TRY .
All Creation Trio & Arceus has the power to travel freely in Time & Space But they has better thing to do then destroying all world & Era !
Hack , Giratina nearly destroyed the fabric of Time & Space when he merge 2 world and drag Cyrus to Distortion world.
Plus Hoopa can travel cross Time & Space though his ring! Not only that , He can summon Other Pokemon , treasure and other being from another Universe.
Not only that , Gamefreak haven't reveal Arceus's True From considering Pokedex clearly mention Arceus having 1000 arm .
Not to mention , Zeedmillenniumon is weak against any Holy , Divine or Light attribute So he should suffer damage from "Judgement" which happen to be a Typeless attack.
So , Most of Your claim about Digimon its just your assumption and Hype ! There aren't proof .

Tier 0 (Top Multiversal)
- God
- Zeed Millenniumon (games)

Tier 1 (Multiversal)
- ENIAC
- ABC
- Zeed Millenniumon (XW manga)
- Shoutmon X7 Superior Mode (anime)
- Shoutmon X7 Superior Mode (manga)
- Darkness Bagramon
- Mother Eater(Cyber Sleuth)
- Will of Yggdrasil (Cyber Sleuth)
- Vitium (Re: DigitizeDecode)

Tier 2 (Top Universal)
- Moon Millenniumon (games)
- Millenniumon (games)

Tier 3 (High Universal)
- NEO
- AlphamonOuryuuken
- Death-X-mon (Fused with Digital World)
- Ultimate Khaosmon
- Chronomon Holy Mode
- Chronomon Destroy Mode

Tier 4 (Mid Universal)
- Xros Up Arresterdramon Superior Mode (Brave Snatcher)
- Death-X-mon
- Quartzmon
- Victory Greymon
- Zeed Garurumon
- Omegamon X
- Alphamon
- Barbamon+ Yggdrasill7D6
- Yggdrasill7D6
- Norn
- Bagramon w/ Code Crown
- Homeostasis
- Mecha Rogue X
- OverLord GAIA
- Dukemon Crimson Mode(Gaia Origin)
- Beelzebumon Blast Mode (Gaia Origin)
- Alphamon(Gaia Origin)
- Omegamon (Gaia Origin)
- Zeed Millenniummon (Gaia Origin)
- Susanoomon (Gaia Origin)
- Apocalymon (Gaia Origin)
- Sleipmon (Gaia Origin)
- Duftmon (Gaia Origin)
- Armamon (Lost Evolution)
- Exo Grimmon
- Apocalymon

Tier 5 (Low Universal)
- Ulforce V-dramon Future Mode
- Grand Dracumon
- Susanoomon (all chosen children)
- Lucemon Satan Mode (Frontier)
- Huanglongmon (profile ver.)
- Ogudomon
- Chrono Grimmon
- Analogman
- Homeostasis(Adventure Novel)

Tier 6 (Star Level - Dimension Level)
- Super Spadamon (Super Xros Wars)
- Omega Armamon BM (Super Xros Wars)
- Algomon Ultimate (XW manga)
- Bagramon (manga)
- Omegamon (XW manga)
- Shoutmon EX6
- Tactimon (manga, unsheathed)
- Imperialdramon Paladin Mode(Digimon World DS)
- Demon Super Ultimate
- Shoutmon X7 (manga)
- Bagramon (anime)
- Susanoomon (two chosen children)
- Lucemon Falldown Mode (Frontier)
- Grimmon
- Valdurmon
- Gankoomon
- Imperialdramon Fighter Mode(Digimon World DS)

Tier 7 (Planet Level+)
- Belphemon Rage Mode (Digimon World DS)
- Leviamon
- Ragnamon
- Shoutmon X6
- Blastmon (manga)
- Shoutmon DX (manga)
- Millenniummon (XW manga)
- Shooting Starmon
- Omega Shoutmon (manga)
- Zeke Greymon (manga)
- RaptorSparrowmon
- Jäger Dorulumon
- Atlur Ballistamon
- Lilithmon (XW manga)
- Dark Knightmon (manga)
- Tactimon (manga, sealed)
- Shoutmon X5 (manga)
- Dynasmon (XW manga)
- Ulforce V-dramon (XW manga)
- Arkadimon Super Ultimate
- Craniummon (XW manga)
- Arkadimon Ultimate (XW Manga)
- Duftmon (XW manga)

Tier 8 (Planet Level)
- D-Reaper
- Lord Knightmon (XW manga)
- Lucemon Child (Frontier)
- Banchou Liomon Burst Mode
- Dukemon (Savers)
- Craniummon (Savers, fully armed)
- Sleipmon
- Dynasmon (Savers)
- Shine Greymon Burst Mode
- Mirage Gaogamon Burst Mode
- Ravmon Burst Mode
- Rosemon Burst Mode
- Duftmon (Savers)
- Lord Knightmon (Savers)
- Gulfmon (Game)

Tier 9 (Moon Level)
- Grand Generamon
- Shoutmon X7 (anime)
- Gran Generamon (incomplete)
- Apollomon Darkness Mode
- Apollomon
- Apollomon Whispered
- Gravimon Darkness Mode

Tier 10
- Clockmon (Hunters)
- Kaiser Greymon
- Magna Garurumon
- Dynasmon (Frontier)
- Lord Knightmon (Frontier)
- Cherubimon (Frontier)
- Belphemon Rage mode (Savers, Full Power)

Tier 11 (Continent level)
- Kaiser Leomon
- Lowemon
- Velgmon
- Ardamon
- Beowulfmon
- Duskmon
- Sefirotmon (Frontier)

Tier 12
- Armamon (Super Xros Wars)
- Shoutmon X5S (Profile Version)
- Ravmon (Next)
- Murmukusmon (Next)
- Diablomon (Hunters)
- Venom Vamdemon (Hunters)
- Gravimon
- Armagemon
- Shoutmon DX (anime)
- Death-X-DORUgoramon (X-evolution)
- Zamielmon

Tier 13
- Omegamon (Adventure)
- Belial Vamdemon (02)
- Demon (02)
- Aero V-dramon (EOS)
- Arkadimon Ultimate (V-Tamer)
- Omegamon (V-Tamer)
- Black Seraphimon
- Seraphimon (Frontier)

Tier 14
- Piemon
- Diablomon (Adventure)
- Skull Knightmon
- Black War Greymon
- Imperialdramon Fighter Mode
- War Greymon (Adventure)
- Metal Garurumon (Adventure)
- Mugendramon (Adventure)
- Metal Seadramon
- Venom Vamdemon (Adventure)
- Magnamon (02)
- Rapidmon Armor
- Chimairamon (02)
- Skull Satamon (02)
- Holy Angemon (Adventure)
- Pinocchimon (Adventure)
- Metal Etemon
- Saber Leomon (Adventure)
- Vritramon
- Bolgmon
- Garmmon
- Petaldramon
- Blizzarmon
- Shutumon
- Kalmaramon
- Gigasmon
- Mercuremon
- Vamdemon (Adventure)

Tier 15 (Country Level)
- Agnimon (Frontier)
- Wolfmon
- Blitzmon
- Chackmon
- Fairymon
- Ranamon
- Grottomon
- Paildramon
- Shakkoumon (02)
- Silphymon (02)
- Angewomon
- Lady Devimon (Adventure)
- Andromon (Adventure)
- Marin Devimon
- Metal Greymon(Adventure)
- Atlur Kabuterimon (Adventure)
- Were Garurumon
- Skull Greymon (Adventure)
- Garudamon (Adventure)
- Zudomon
- Angemon (Adventure, EOS)
- Dark Network Etemon (Adventure)
- Lilymon (Adventure)
- Etemon (Adventure)
- Angemon (Adventure, first appearance)
- Devimon (Adventure, giant)

Tier 16
- Cable Reaper
- Mother D-Reaper
- Muso Knightmon
- Olegmon
- Dukemon Crimson Mode
- D-Reaper ADR-01 Juri Type
- Splashmon
- Neo Vamdemon
- Phelesmon
- Omega Shoutmon (anime)
- Zeke Greymon (anime)
- Omegamon (X-evolution)
- Volcdramon
- Dorbickmon
- Dukemon X (X-evolution)
- Magnamon X (D-Cyber)

Tier 17
- Reaper
- Dukemon (X-evolution)
- Tactimon (anime, giant)
- Tactimon (anime, unsealed)
- Shoutmon X5B
- Super Dark Knightmon
- Blastmon (anime)
- Dukemon w/ Grani
- D-Reaper ADR-09 Gatekeeper
- Beelzebumon Blast Mode

Tier 18
- Dark Knightmon (anime)
- Shoutmon X5 (anime)
- Metal Greymon(XW anime, post-TS)
- War Greymon X
- Metal Garurumon X
- Baihumon (Tamers)
- Qinglongmon (Tamers)
- Zhuqiaomon (Tamers)
- Xuanwumon (Tamers)
- D-Reaper ADR-08 Optimizer
- D-Reaper ADR-06 Horn Striker
- Dukemon (Tamers)
- Saint Galgomon
- Justimon
- Sakuyamon
- Beelzebumon (Tamers)
- D-Reaper ADR-07 Palates Head
- D-Reaper ADR-05 Creep Hands
- Megidramon (Tamers)
- Belphemon Rage Mode
- Shine Greymon (Savers, EOS)

Tier 19
- Ravmon (Savers)
- Tactimon (anime, sealed)
- Shoutmon X4B
- Destromon
- Chaosdramon
- Shine Greymon
- Mirage Gaogamon
- Rosemon
- Bio Darkdramon
- Bio Spinomon
- Bio Lotusmon
- Beelzebumon (Xros Wars)

Tier 20 (Large Mountain/Island Level)
- Shoutmon X4K
- Shoutmon X4S
- Shoutmon X4 (anime)
- Metal Greymon(XW anime, pre-TS)
- Tyilinmon

Tier 21
- Bio Thunderbirmon
- Bio Coatlmon
- Bio Stegomon
- Gizmon: XT (Upgraded)
- Rize Greymon (Savers, EOS)
- Yatagaramon (Savers)
- Gizmon: XT
- D-Reaper ADR-03 Pendulum Feet
- Gulfmon

Tier 22 (Mid mountain Level)
- Megalo Growmon
- Vikaralamon
- Majiramon
- Caturamon
- Cyberdramon (Tamers)
- Gizmon: AT
- Mercurymon (Savers)
- Saber Leomon (Savers)
- Rapidmon
- Taomon
- Andiramon
- Shoutmon X3(anime)
- D-Reaper ADR-04 Bubbles
- Rize Greymon (Savers)
- Mach Gaogamon (Savers)
- Lilamon (Savers)

Tier 23
- Indaramon
- Vajramon
- Pajramon
- Mihiramon
- Makuramon

Tier 24
- Reppamon (Savers)
- Sinduramon
- Shoutmon X2(anime)
- V-dramon
- Sandiramon

Tier 25
- Growmon
- Geo Greymon (Savers, EOS)
- Peckmon (Savers)
- Leomon (Tamers)
- Khumbhiramon
- Kyubimon
- Galgomon
- Dorulumon
- Ballistamon
- Shoutmon (anime)

Tier 26 (Small Mountain Level)
- Geo Greymon (Savers)
- Gaogamon (Savers)
- Sunflowmon
- Tailmon (Adventure, w/ Holy Ring)
- Leomon (Adventure)
- Greymon (Adventure)
- Garurumon (Adventure)
- Kabuterimon (Adventure)
- Birdramon (Adventure)
- Ikkakumon (Adventure)
- Togemon (Adventure)
- XV-mon
- Stingmon (02)
- Ankylomon
- Aquilamon (02)
- Fladramon
- Lighdramon
- Holsmon
- Digmon (02)
- Shurimon (02)
- Submarimon (02)
even if you take out the things you don't consider to be digimon the fact remains that there are digimon on a higher or equal scale to arceus.
most of the information on arceus is myth.

even the pokedex entires are not all that trustworthy.

shadowmoon522 said:

Tier 0 (Top Multiversal)
- God
- Zeed Millenniumon (games)

Tier 1 (Multiversal)
- ENIAC
- ABC
- Zeed Millenniumon (XW manga)
- Shoutmon X7 Superior Mode (anime)
- Shoutmon X7 Superior Mode (manga)
- Darkness Bagramon
- Mother Eater(Cyber Sleuth)
- Will of Yggdrasil (Cyber Sleuth)
- Vitium (Re: DigitizeDecode)

Tier 2 (Top Universal)
- Moon Millenniumon (games)
- Millenniumon (games)

Tier 3 (High Universal)
- NEO
- AlphamonOuryuuken
- Death-X-mon (Fused with Digital World)
- Ultimate Khaosmon
- Chronomon Holy Mode
- Chronomon Destroy Mode

Tier 4 (Mid Universal)
- Xros Up Arresterdramon Superior Mode (Brave Snatcher)
- Death-X-mon
- Quartzmon
- Victory Greymon
- Zeed Garurumon
- Omegamon X
- Alphamon
- Barbamon+ Yggdrasill7D6
- Yggdrasill7D6
- Norn
- Bagramon w/ Code Crown
- Homeostasis
- Mecha Rogue X
- OverLord GAIA
- Dukemon Crimson Mode(Gaia Origin)
- Beelzebumon Blast Mode (Gaia Origin)
- Alphamon(Gaia Origin)
- Omegamon (Gaia Origin)
- Zeed Millenniummon (Gaia Origin)
- Susanoomon (Gaia Origin)
- Apocalymon (Gaia Origin)
- Sleipmon (Gaia Origin)
- Duftmon (Gaia Origin)
- Armamon (Lost Evolution)
- Exo Grimmon
- Apocalymon

Tier 5 (Low Universal)
- Ulforce V-dramon Future Mode
- Grand Dracumon
- Susanoomon (all chosen children)
- Lucemon Satan Mode (Frontier)
- Huanglongmon (profile ver.)
- Ogudomon
- Chrono Grimmon
- Analogman
- Homeostasis(Adventure Novel)

Tier 6 (Star Level - Dimension Level)
- Super Spadamon (Super Xros Wars)
- Omega Armamon BM (Super Xros Wars)
- Algomon Ultimate (XW manga)
- Bagramon (manga)
- Omegamon (XW manga)
- Shoutmon EX6
- Tactimon (manga, unsheathed)
- Imperialdramon Paladin Mode(Digimon World DS)
- Demon Super Ultimate
- Shoutmon X7 (manga)
- Bagramon (anime)
- Susanoomon (two chosen children)
- Lucemon Falldown Mode (Frontier)
- Grimmon
- Valdurmon
- Gankoomon
- Imperialdramon Fighter Mode(Digimon World DS)

Tier 7 (Planet Level+)
- Belphemon Rage Mode (Digimon World DS)
- Leviamon
- Ragnamon
- Shoutmon X6
- Blastmon (manga)
- Shoutmon DX (manga)
- Millenniummon (XW manga)
- Shooting Starmon
- Omega Shoutmon (manga)
- Zeke Greymon (manga)
- RaptorSparrowmon
- Jäger Dorulumon
- Atlur Ballistamon
- Lilithmon (XW manga)
- Dark Knightmon (manga)
- Tactimon (manga, sealed)
- Shoutmon X5 (manga)
- Dynasmon (XW manga)
- Ulforce V-dramon (XW manga)
- Arkadimon Super Ultimate
- Craniummon (XW manga)
- Arkadimon Ultimate (XW Manga)
- Duftmon (XW manga)

Tier 8 (Planet Level)
- D-Reaper
- Lord Knightmon (XW manga)
- Lucemon Child (Frontier)
- Banchou Liomon Burst Mode
- Dukemon (Savers)
- Craniummon (Savers, fully armed)
- Sleipmon
- Dynasmon (Savers)
- Shine Greymon Burst Mode
- Mirage Gaogamon Burst Mode
- Ravmon Burst Mode
- Rosemon Burst Mode
- Duftmon (Savers)
- Lord Knightmon (Savers)
- Gulfmon (Game)

Tier 9 (Moon Level)
- Grand Generamon
- Shoutmon X7 (anime)
- Gran Generamon (incomplete)
- Apollomon Darkness Mode
- Apollomon
- Apollomon Whispered
- Gravimon Darkness Mode

Tier 10
- Clockmon (Hunters)
- Kaiser Greymon
- Magna Garurumon
- Dynasmon (Frontier)
- Lord Knightmon (Frontier)
- Cherubimon (Frontier)
- Belphemon Rage mode (Savers, Full Power)

Tier 11 (Continent level)
- Kaiser Leomon
- Lowemon
- Velgmon
- Ardamon
- Beowulfmon
- Duskmon
- Sefirotmon (Frontier)

Tier 12
- Armamon (Super Xros Wars)
- Shoutmon X5S (Profile Version)
- Ravmon (Next)
- Murmukusmon (Next)
- Diablomon (Hunters)
- Venom Vamdemon (Hunters)
- Gravimon
- Armagemon
- Shoutmon DX (anime)
- Death-X-DORUgoramon (X-evolution)
- Zamielmon

Tier 13
- Omegamon (Adventure)
- Belial Vamdemon (02)
- Demon (02)
- Aero V-dramon (EOS)
- Arkadimon Ultimate (V-Tamer)
- Omegamon (V-Tamer)
- Black Seraphimon
- Seraphimon (Frontier)

Tier 14
- Piemon
- Diablomon (Adventure)
- Skull Knightmon
- Black War Greymon
- Imperialdramon Fighter Mode
- War Greymon (Adventure)
- Metal Garurumon (Adventure)
- Mugendramon (Adventure)
- Metal Seadramon
- Venom Vamdemon (Adventure)
- Magnamon (02)
- Rapidmon Armor
- Chimairamon (02)
- Skull Satamon (02)
- Holy Angemon (Adventure)
- Pinocchimon (Adventure)
- Metal Etemon
- Saber Leomon (Adventure)
- Vritramon
- Bolgmon
- Garmmon
- Petaldramon
- Blizzarmon
- Shutumon
- Kalmaramon
- Gigasmon
- Mercuremon
- Vamdemon (Adventure)

Tier 15 (Country Level)
- Agnimon (Frontier)
- Wolfmon
- Blitzmon
- Chackmon
- Fairymon
- Ranamon
- Grottomon
- Paildramon
- Shakkoumon (02)
- Silphymon (02)
- Angewomon
- Lady Devimon (Adventure)
- Andromon (Adventure)
- Marin Devimon
- Metal Greymon(Adventure)
- Atlur Kabuterimon (Adventure)
- Were Garurumon
- Skull Greymon (Adventure)
- Garudamon (Adventure)
- Zudomon
- Angemon (Adventure, EOS)
- Dark Network Etemon (Adventure)
- Lilymon (Adventure)
- Etemon (Adventure)
- Angemon (Adventure, first appearance)
- Devimon (Adventure, giant)

Tier 16
- Cable Reaper
- Mother D-Reaper
- Muso Knightmon
- Olegmon
- Dukemon Crimson Mode
- D-Reaper ADR-01 Juri Type
- Splashmon
- Neo Vamdemon
- Phelesmon
- Omega Shoutmon (anime)
- Zeke Greymon (anime)
- Omegamon (X-evolution)
- Volcdramon
- Dorbickmon
- Dukemon X (X-evolution)
- Magnamon X (D-Cyber)

Tier 17
- Reaper
- Dukemon (X-evolution)
- Tactimon (anime, giant)
- Tactimon (anime, unsealed)
- Shoutmon X5B
- Super Dark Knightmon
- Blastmon (anime)
- Dukemon w/ Grani
- D-Reaper ADR-09 Gatekeeper
- Beelzebumon Blast Mode

Tier 18
- Dark Knightmon (anime)
- Shoutmon X5 (anime)
- Metal Greymon(XW anime, post-TS)
- War Greymon X
- Metal Garurumon X
- Baihumon (Tamers)
- Qinglongmon (Tamers)
- Zhuqiaomon (Tamers)
- Xuanwumon (Tamers)
- D-Reaper ADR-08 Optimizer
- D-Reaper ADR-06 Horn Striker
- Dukemon (Tamers)
- Saint Galgomon
- Justimon
- Sakuyamon
- Beelzebumon (Tamers)
- D-Reaper ADR-07 Palates Head
- D-Reaper ADR-05 Creep Hands
- Megidramon (Tamers)
- Belphemon Rage Mode
- Shine Greymon (Savers, EOS)

Tier 19
- Ravmon (Savers)
- Tactimon (anime, sealed)
- Shoutmon X4B
- Destromon
- Chaosdramon
- Shine Greymon
- Mirage Gaogamon
- Rosemon
- Bio Darkdramon
- Bio Spinomon
- Bio Lotusmon
- Beelzebumon (Xros Wars)

Tier 20 (Large Mountain/Island Level)
- Shoutmon X4K
- Shoutmon X4S
- Shoutmon X4 (anime)
- Metal Greymon(XW anime, pre-TS)
- Tyilinmon

Tier 21
- Bio Thunderbirmon
- Bio Coatlmon
- Bio Stegomon
- Gizmon: XT (Upgraded)
- Rize Greymon (Savers, EOS)
- Yatagaramon (Savers)
- Gizmon: XT
- D-Reaper ADR-03 Pendulum Feet
- Gulfmon

Tier 22 (Mid mountain Level)
- Megalo Growmon
- Vikaralamon
- Majiramon
- Caturamon
- Cyberdramon (Tamers)
- Gizmon: AT
- Mercurymon (Savers)
- Saber Leomon (Savers)
- Rapidmon
- Taomon
- Andiramon
- Shoutmon X3(anime)
- D-Reaper ADR-04 Bubbles
- Rize Greymon (Savers)
- Mach Gaogamon (Savers)
- Lilamon (Savers)

Tier 23
- Indaramon
- Vajramon
- Pajramon
- Mihiramon
- Makuramon

Tier 24
- Reppamon (Savers)
- Sinduramon
- Shoutmon X2(anime)
- V-dramon
- Sandiramon

Tier 25
- Growmon
- Geo Greymon (Savers, EOS)
- Peckmon (Savers)
- Leomon (Tamers)
- Khumbhiramon
- Kyubimon
- Galgomon
- Dorulumon
- Ballistamon
- Shoutmon (anime)

Tier 26 (Small Mountain Level)
- Geo Greymon (Savers)
- Gaogamon (Savers)
- Sunflowmon
- Tailmon (Adventure, w/ Holy Ring)
- Leomon (Adventure)
- Greymon (Adventure)
- Garurumon (Adventure)
- Kabuterimon (Adventure)
- Birdramon (Adventure)
- Ikkakumon (Adventure)
- Togemon (Adventure)
- XV-mon
- Stingmon (02)
- Ankylomon
- Aquilamon (02)
- Fladramon
- Lighdramon
- Holsmon
- Digmon (02)
- Shurimon (02)
- Submarimon (02)
even if you take out the things you don't consider to be digimon the fact remains that there are digimon on a higher or equal scale to arceus.
most of the information on arceus is myth.

even the pokedex entires are not all that trustworthy.

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Do you really think listing Digimon according to your made-up ranking proofs anything ? I watched a whole video about 10 strongest Digimon So it won't work on me.
And also , Some of them aren't Digimon ! Unless You claim Gennai is also a Digimon.

Also , Your claiming Pokedex isn't reliable but all those ridiculous description of Digimon reference Book are all Canon.
Its basically saying "Whatever support my claim is canon and anything that goes against me is non-Canon"
Also , If You trying drag anime again then let me remind you that a group of Litwick and Lampent did tried to steal Ash & Co's Soul even though there are multiple trainer with Litwick and Lampent.
Also , I like you remember that The Description say "Lucemon existence Rivals God" Yet he got his ass kicked by Shotmon X4 & Shotmon X5 ! Truth is , Even Golurk has more then enough Power to kick Xros War Lucemon's ass .
So Much for rivaling god , It couldn't even kill a Sparrowmon or Rival a mare Shoutmon X5!

i think digimon would win because digimon have after hatching eight evolutions pokemon only gives at most 3, plus the most powerful could easily kick the asses of all pokemon , the world guardians I'm talking about of course, in the evolution called super ultimate, also it's not like porygon couldn't escape the computer world so everything from digimon is still
Possible.

aged gamer said:

i think digimon would win because digimon have after hatching eight evolutions pokemon only gives at most 3, plus the most powerful could easily kick the asses of all pokemon , the world guardians I'm talking about of course, in the evolution called super ultimate, also it's not like porygon couldn't escape the computer world so everything from digimon is still
Possible.

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Having 8 evolution doesn't confirm Digimon's superiority !
Goku has 7 transformation But Death Battle still deemed Superman strongest who doesn't have any transformation.
The only thing Digimon has a edge at is "Size"! But its because Digimon were visual pet so they doesn't have a specific size So the Anime & Manga can make them as building-size as they want.
Pokemon has their own strength to kick Digimon's ass , Even the Attack "Psychic" can allow A Pokemon to have all the power of Avatar & Bender .

If we are counting Legendaries, the likes of Arceus and mew (and probably others) solo.

I don't mean to be someone like a digimon fanboy, just someone who was reading forum chats for time to pass by, but anyways, I came to bring this up again because a few things were off. Especially since I do know some of both franchises to some degree...

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If we are counting Legendaries, the likes of Arceus and mew (and probably others) solo.

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First of all, I wouldn't agree with that actually. I guess it depends on your interpretation, but in season 01, it was shown that the presence of Champion/Adult Digimon were affecting the real world in ways similar to natural disasters. Such as Meramon causing a heatwave and such. There was also a the corpse of a digimon that came close to destroying the very world from falling on it, >Galactimon<. These digimon aren't even at the height of the tiers for digital meta. I mean, Omnimon X has the ability to delete data and the ability to see into the future, though I forgot the names of the moves he does it with, and even then he isn't the strongest of them all. I mean, Susanoomon(Frontier) is said to be capable of destroying a universe and by scaling, can probably solo the pokeverse if you exclude the creation Trio and Arceus. Hell, even Megidramon had the potential to destroy both the real world and digital world and was close to doing so with his presence until Beezlebumon gained some more strength from absorbing the power of three perfect level digimon to push Megidramon back in tamers. So I wouldn't even say Mew comes close to trying to solo the digiverse, far from it. I mean, Mewtwo movie 1 might at least be in mid tier levels for power and I'm not gonna lie, Mewtwo Movie 1 > any Mega Mewtwo. Mewtwo Movie 1 was extremely powerful and threatened the whole world, Mega Mewtwo Y fought a couple of Genesects in a city.

Famon said:

Having 8 evolution doesn't confirm Digimon's superiority !
Goku has 7 transformation But Death Battle still deemed Superman strongest who doesn't have any transformation.
The only thing Digimon has a edge at is "Size"! But its because Digimon were visual pet so they doesn't have a specific size So the Anime & Manga can make them as building-size as they want.
Pokemon has their own strength to kick Digimon's ass , Even the Attack "Psychic" can allow A Pokemon to have all the power of Avatar & Bender .

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Alright, Psychic is far from capable of doing that, but it can definitely beat almost all of the avatar verse, depending on who is using it. >Last time I checked, Psychic can't create fire or lightning.

Addressing the Pokédex matter, the Pokédex is a bunch of crap that shouldn't be taken too seriously. I mean, "Charizard flies around the sky in search of powerful opponents. It breathes fire of such great heat that it melts anything. However, it never turns its fiery breath on any opponent weaker than itself." would mean that Charizard would never have used his fire attacks on ash in the anime and could burn Rayquaza alive by this fact and may have already killed Rayquaza!

I don't mean to discredit Pokémon either; I mean, I am enough of a fan to read the adventure manga and stuff like that and Pokémon are plentifully capable. It's just a stomp for digimon in the combat sense because there has been times when digimons did threatened the world. I mean, a champion level digimon, by 01's terms, should be large island to country level based on feats of causing earthquakes, heatwaves, and other things. >Mentioned earlier<. You also have quoted that Digimon haven't even destroyed cities, but VenomMyotismon was definitely at small island level by show of 01, and Apocalypsemon was going to destroy two different "worlds" in one suicide kamikaze.

You could also argue the entire "but they are just weaker because they are digital" but cyber sleuth but them in terms of higher dimensional beings. Even without that context, they have evidence of being capable of coming into the real world and holding similar capabilities of living. I mean, hell, Digimon Tri actually brought up a digimon who almost destroyed the world and caused massive damage to the world as well, almost in an apocalyptic manner, and destroying the world just by existing.

Zeedmilleniumon's feats were also transcendent of time and space through his warping. He even quotes out that Ryo and him were apart of a duality making Ryo capable of withstanding Zeedmilleniumon's abilities. You also seem to not understand the fact that Zeedmilleniumon is above NEO in the regards of Feats. There's also an entire idea on the matter that Zeedmilleniumon only wanted to be Ryo's partner and so destroying an entire multiverse and recreating it certainly isn't going to be the way to do that, especially when it isn't "his Ryo."

I also want to bring up the fact that Victory Wargreymon and Zeed Garurumon, certain kind of the two, were made to be counters to Yggdrasil.

Also, no Game Arceus is mega weak in terms of stats, usage, and other things. He was caught by a KID in the games, if you had made it to the event. Arceus is far from the meta house you made him out to be, the Arceus you should refer to is ADVENTURES ARCEUS. Movie Arceus and Game Arceus lacks the abilities and the protagonist certainly isn't Arceus's duality or anything like that. The fact that Arceus can even be touched by a pokeball in the games makes it unreasonable to say that Game Arceus is any stronger than movie arceus( Who TANKED AN ENTIRE HALL OF POKÉMON ATTACKS, when compared to Game Arceus getting whooped and beaten by so many other Pokémon and being way much weaker in terms of stat as compared to some other pokemon's Mega forms.) Also, Arceus hasn't displayed Omniscient abilities in the movie, nor at the games, nor in the manga; Being tricked by a Man is certainly not Omniscient, after all. He could be Nigh-Omniscient possibly, knowing of everything in the present.

Enough downplaying Arceus, I also want to bring up the fact that Milleniumon's after death SPORES were potent enough to give a phantom scramble of data, known formerly as VenomMyotismon, enough power to become a digimon who was almost capable of destroying the world and affected both the digital and physical world in a massive global scale, aka Malomyotismon. Milleniumon, who you downplayed so much, gave enough power to a pile of data that it easily affected the world and had to be affected through the power of "Religion">Digimon makes so many religious references, that I just can't.< to even be stopped. Even then, he was able to gain power from the negativity of others and completely stomped a couple of Digimon, yeah I kinda was distracted while 02 was at its end and only remember some of it.

You could make the argument about D-Reaper, but D-Reaper also came to affect the human world as well and had done some damage to it in tamers, so clearly the digital world isn't as frail as you think it is when compared to the real world. It's also been referred to that the Digital world and the Real world are very similar and tamers eludes to the digital world being more similar to multiple worlds, as hinted by the entire conversation of the Four Sovereigns to the Digi destined in tamers.

Also, Xro Wars is garbage, high key. Might be just my opinion, but it wasn't that good. Literally, Huanglongmon was downplayed in that version. Then again, multiple worlds means that every world isn't the same so this Huanglongmon might be that Huanglongmon. Therefore, logically, the Canons should be specified in terms of types, because they are similar but a different universe means a different scaling.

I would like to bring in an abrupt conclusion to all this, if I could, by saying that Digimon generally stomps the pokeverse. I mean, Wargreymon probably makes it to Lowtier to Midtier in terms of Legendary Powers. >My honest opinion, Mewtwo from movie1 stomps Wargreymon and Metal Garurumon, HONESTLY, they can't compare. Here is probably how it would go, Zeedmilleniumon pretty much screws over both the pokeverse and all the digimon in a simple manner. Excluding Zeedmilleniumon, still a stomp from Digiverse because of the entire invulnerability of Ogunomon's ability to "not take any damage form those with malice". We also have to count in all the other powerhouses, to which I am not capable of or willing to do. Basically, the royal knights, seven great demon lords, etc, are all near the top digimon but not at the peak and so you can assume that such scaling can also be applied...

but anyways, discrediting ZeedMilleniumon's feats when Milleniumon's feats still ramp him up to Solar System+ Level While Arceus's best feats only gives him Continent Level or lower, if you really want to play the discrediting game, then I can argue that Susanoomon(far weaker than Milleniumon) is at Universal Level just Based on the fact that he will destroy the universe and create a new one. The fact that MoonMilleniumon can come back to life as Zeed should already suggest how broken with Hax Zeed is.

Pokémon tower also showed that Dialga isn't exactly all that with time powers that is suggested by him when Celebi managed to help the group get away(I haven't really played the game, but do recall a few Internet forum arguments.) So, not a lot of things are shining up in the favor of Pokémon winning against Digimon in an outright fight. Especially with hax, Anyways.

Maybe tri an Omnimon(Base 01) vs Mewtwo(Movie 1) fight instead and it would be much more balanced than this?

I wouldn't have too many qualms with a Pokeverse stomping 01 verse or 02 verse, though tri is questionable.

Though, you were correct in some regards on pointing out on how the other guy defending digimon wasn't doing it in an efficient manner. I'm sure a lot of Pokémon fans who voted for Digimon thought something along the lines of "Digimon has more brute strength", but it's more digimon has more outright hax than Pokémon does. Brute Strength isn't even a factor, nor is size(but galactimon might just fall down on pokeverse and cause Arceus to lose his power again, lol). So I just wanted to address that matter and be over it...

Honestly, I'd be surprised if anyone did read this! Well, hopefully this isn't taken down.

And yes, I did make this account just to hammer some loose nails in.

Astrixus said:

And yes, I did make this account just to hammer some loose nails in.

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you are replying to posts made over five years ago

feel free to recreate this discussion if youre interested but this threads posters are way gone afaik