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Sandstorm Wall

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Tyranitar
Ability: Sandstream
Item: Chopple Berry
Nature: Carefull

EV
HP 252
SpD 252
Def 004

Moveset
  • Stealth Rock
  • Substitute
  • Superpower
  • Pursuit

Forretress
Ability: Sturdy
Item: Leftovers
Nature: Sassy

EV
HP 252
SpD 252
Def 004

Moveset
  • Rapid Spin
  • Spikes
  • Toxic Spikes
  • Earthquake

Brongzong
Ability: Levitate
Item: Light Clay
Nature: Sassy

EV
HP 252
Def 128
SpD 128

Moveset
  • Substitute
  • Earthquake
  • Reflect
  • Light Screen

Ferrothorn
Ability: Iron Barbs
Item: Shed Shell
Nature: Relaxed

EV
HP 252
SpD 252
Def 004

Moveset
  • Ingrain
  • Leeach Seed
  • Power Whip
  • Substitute

Gliscor
Ability: Poison Heal
Item: Toxic Orb
Nature: Impish

EV
HP 252
Def 252
SpD 004

Moveset
  • Substitute
  • Protect
  • Taunt
  • Earthquake

Jirachi
Ability: Serence Grace
Item: Leftovers
Nature: Careful

EV
HP 252
SpD 252
Def 004

Moveset
  • Wish
  • Iron Head
  • Protect
  • Substitute
 
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PlatinumDude

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Just so you're not stuck on a weak STAB on Tyranitar, use Crunch over Substitute so it can hit things hard without resorting to Superpower (which lowers your physical stats after each use) or Pursuit (which is weak unless the opponent switches).

Your team has a pretty big weakness to Fire, with Tyranitar being the only one who can take Fire attacks. Replace Bronzong with Heatran:
-Fire Blast
-Earth Power
-Hidden Power (Ice/Grass)
-Taunt/Toxic/Stealth Rock (latter move is there in case Tyranitar goes down and your Stealth Rock is spun away)
Nature: Timid
EVs: 252 SAtk/4 SDef/252 Spe
Item: Life Orb/Air Balloon

You already have Forretress to set up hazards and spin them away, so I'd suggest dropping Ferrothorn for something else, like Virizion, who shares excellent defensive synergy with Tyranitar, despite taking damage from Sandstorm. It also helps against that massive Water weakness you have:
-Reflect
-Light Screen
-Taunt
-Giga Drain/Close Combat/Sacred Sword
Nature: Timid/Jolly
EVs: 252 HP/4 Def/252 Spe
Item: Light Clay/Leftovers

Make Gliscor's EV spread 252 HP/184 Def/72 Spe to outspeed Tyranitar and Breloom.

With the above changes, Ferrothorn is pretty much dead weight here. Latias or Latios can fill in that slot to help check them:

Latias:
-Calm Mind
-Dragon Pulse
-Recover
-Hidden Power (Fire)/Substitute/Roar
Nature: Timid
EVs: 252 HP/4 SAtk/252 Spe
Item: Leftovers

or
-Calm Mind
-Dragon Pulse
-Recover
-Reflect/Refresh
Nature: Bold
EVs: 252 HP/228 Def/28 Spe
Item: Leftovers

Latios:
-Draco Meteor
-Surf
-Hidden Power (Fire)/Dragon Pulse
-Trick/Psyshock
Nature: Timid
EVs: 4 HP/252 SAtk/252 Spe
Item: Choice Specs/Choice Scarf

Jirachi's nature and EV spread are out of place. It's better off with a specially defensive spread. And why Bold? It's using a physical attack and that's a waste:
-Iron Head
-Body Slam/Thunder Wave
-Wish
-Fire Punch/Protect/Stealth Rock
Nature: Careful
EVs: 252 HP/224 SDef/32 Spe
Item: Leftovers
 
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Thank you for your reply and sorry for the very late answer.About the Nature of Jirachi, I was confused, I meant indeed Careful nature.
The EV spread of Gliscor is indeed a better idee, if it can outspeed the 2 OU pokemons ^^
Further, I realized that the Poison Heal ability of Gliscor can only be obtained in Dream World.
And that I have heard its difficult to obtains those Dream World abilities.
For the other changes that you suggest about it, I will think about it.
Again, sorry for the late reaction.
 

Cam Meekins

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Great team! I think you should consider using spikes on ferrothorn since it can wear down your opponent quickly. Have Fun!
 
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Great team! I think you should consider using spikes on ferrothorn since it can wear down your opponent quickly. Have Fun!

Thank you.
The reason that Ferrothorn has no Spikes, is beacause thats Forretress' job. But I have brainstormed, and I think I will replace Forretress for Cloyster. This because of the too many Fire weaknesses. Further more, Jirachi will be replace by Umbereon, same reason of Forretress, plus it can heal the team with Wish.

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Cloyster
Ability: Overcoat
Item: Leftovers
Nature: Impish

EV
HP 252
SpD 252
Def 004

Moveset
  • Rapid Spin
  • Spikes
  • Toxic Spikes
  • Aqua Ring


Umbreon
Ability: Synchronize
Item: Leftovers
Nature: Careful

EV
HP 252
SpD 252
Def 004

Moveset
  • Wish
  • Heal Bell
  • Substitute
  • Payback

 
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Ninjagon

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All respect to Umbreon, but it has nothing compared to one of it's brethren, Vaporeon, not to mention it's a bulky water and it's SAtk stat is always overlooked, Vaporeon fits that role perfectly;

Vaporeon @ Leftovers
Ability: Water Absorb
Nature: Bold
EV's: 248 HP/252 Def/8 Spe
Moveset:

~ Wish
~ Protect
~ Scald
~ Baton Pass/Roar/Acid Armor/Toxic

Consider this one :).
 
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All respect to Umbreon, but it has nothing compared to one of it's brethren, Vaporeon, not to mention it's a bulky water and it's SAtk stat is always overlooked, Vaporeon fits that role perfectly;

Vaporeon @ Leftovers
Ability: Water Absorb
Nature: Bold
EV's: 248 HP/252 Def/8 Spe
Moveset:

~ Wish
~ Protect
~ Scald
~ Baton Pass/Roar/Acid Armor/Toxic

Consider this one :).

Thank, its indeed a better plan to use Vaporeon over Umbereon.
Tbh, I didn't know Vaporeon could use Whish, maybe I overlooked :P
And I think I will go for this spread:

Vaporeon @ Leftovers
Ability: Water Absorb
Nature: Bold
EV's: 252 HP/252 Def/4 SpD
Moveset:

  • Wish
  • Protect
  • Scald
  • Substitue


Let me know what you think about the spread ^^
 

PlatinumDude

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If you're using Vaporeon, drop Cloyster. Overcoat is useless on it and it really should stick to Skill Link for guaranteed 5-hit Icicle Spears and Rock Blasts.

A Pokemon to consider over that is Reuniclus. It has Magic Guard to negate passive damage:
-Calm Mind
-Psychic/Psyshock
-Focus Blast
-Recover
Nature: Bold
EVs: 252 HP/252 Def/4 SDef
Item: Life Orb/Leftovers
Ability: Magic Guard

or
-Trick Room
-Psychic/Psyshock
-Shadow Ball
-Focus Blast
Nature: Quiet
EVs: 192 HP/64 Def/252 SAtk
Item: Life Orb
Ability: Magic Guard
 

Ninjagon

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Thank, its indeed a better plan to use Vaporeon over Umbereon.
Tbh, I didn't know Vaporeon could use Whish, maybe I overlooked :P
And I think I will go for this spread:

Vaporeon @ Leftovers
Ability: Water Absorb
Nature: Bold
EV's: 252 HP/252 Def/4 SpD
Moveset:

  • Wish
  • Protect
  • Scald
  • Substitue


Let me know what you think about the spread ^^

Change 4 SpD to 4 SAtk and the it's looking good :), but also think about taking Plat's advice as he makes a good point.
 
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If you're using Vaporeon, drop Cloyster. Overcoat is useless on it and it really should stick to Skill Link for guaranteed 5-hit Icicle Spears and Rock Blasts.

A Pokemon to consider over that is Reuniclus. It has Magic Guard to negate passive damage:
-Calm Mind
-Psychic/Psyshock
-Focus Blast
-Recover
Nature: Bold
EVs: 252 HP/252 Def/4 SDef
Item: Life Orb/Leftovers
Ability: Magic Guard

or
-Trick Room
-Psychic/Psyshock
-Shadow Ball
-Focus Blast
Nature: Quiet
EVs: 192 HP/64 Def/252 SAtk
Item: Life Orb
Ability: Magic Guard

The reason that I have Cloyster in the team, is becaise of its DEF + it can Spikes & Posion Spikes. Both of those moves are important for my team to Stall the opponent, while the hazards are doing there job.

Change 4 SpD to 4 SAtk and the it's looking good :), but also think about taking Plat's advice as he makes a good point.

Thats a good idea to replace the 4 SpD for the 4 SpA.
 

PlatinumDude

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The reason that I have Cloyster in the team, is becaise of its DEF + it can Spikes & Posion Spikes. Both of those moves are important for my team to Stall the opponent, while the hazards are doing there job.

True, but Forretress can do it better because of its better defensive typing and natural immunity to Sandstorm. And did I also mention that Cloyster should always use Skill Link and not Overcoat?:
-Spikes
-Toxic Spikes
-Rapid Spin
-Gyro Ball/Volt Switch/Earthquake
Nature: Relaxed/Sassy
EVs: 252 HP/176 Def/80 SDef (Relaxed) or 252 HP/4 Def/252 SDef (Sassy)
Item: Leftovers/Shed Shell
Ability: Sturdy
 

Ninjagon

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And did I also mention that Cloyster should always use Skill Link and not Overcoat?:

Yes you did, lol xD

EmperorWar said:
That's a good idea to replace the 4 SpD for the 4 SpA.
Yeah i guess, but seriously, i know for a fact Plat has had more experience, i was even under his wing at a time. Vaporeon needs this set to work so i just said "Hey, why put that extra point into SpD when it clearly doesn't need investment due to the high Base Stat and put it into its offensive side?"

EDIT: BTW This is my 100th post! :D (So i thought..)
 
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