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Old August 26th, 2014 (06:03 PM).
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I'd post something but don't got no time so all I'll say is that some of yall should've paid more attention in bio class. It's in the curriculum, so there's no reason why any of us shouldn't be on the same page. Unless curricula differ and I don't know, evolution isn't taught in some places.
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Old August 26th, 2014 (09:49 PM).
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Quote originally posted by The Void:
I'd like to remind you that a lot of what we see in modern science came from the direct contributions of medieval Christian scholars and the Islamic world. The father of genetics was a monk named Gregor Mendel, and the founder of the big bang theory was a Belgian priest named Georges Lemaitre. Chemistry as a science was institutionalized in the form of alchemy under various Arab scholars during the Fatimid dynasty.
True, but how many great minds were snuffed because religion refused to accept facts that denied their beliefs?

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In the present day, organized religion tends to delve deeper into science as well. The Vatican has its own Pontifical Academy of Sciences, and the Dalai Lama spends a lot of time with scientists and even wrote: "My confidence in venturing into science lies in my basic belief that as in science, so in Buddhism, understanding the nature of reality is pursued by means of critical investigation. If scientific analysis were conclusively to demonstrate certain claims in Buddhism to be false, then we must accept the findings of science and abandon those claims."
'Delve deeper into science as well'

Last I checked, the RCC still believed their god came in the handy form of a cracker.

How many years did it take for the church to accept that the Earth moved around the sun? How many years did science have to hide underground for fear of 'divine' retribution? Perhaps now its changing its tune, now that science has progressed so far, but had it never existed... imagine how far we'd be right now.

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What do you mean by "discover"? Almost every faith describes soul as immaterial, and thus unobservable by physical technology. The soul is more than just consciousness and psychological behavior -- it is the person's actuality, essence, and psyche.
The soul does not exist.

Did you know that Christianity does not, at its heart, believe in a soul either?

According to the Bible, the dead are dead, nothing more, until Judgment day.

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I refute this conclusion: you cannot say that morality is not unique to humans when there is no absolute proof that animals have morals. There is no verdict from the scientific community as a whole, and it is possible that animals observed to have shown actions similarly agreeable to human morality could be a mere combination of instinct and emotions, which do not necessarily equate to morality.
What we attribute as morals for our species need not apply to all species.

Morality is nothing but a evolutionary trait developed over thousands of years to ensure the survival of the species.

Animals may have their own set of morality different than our own, as is to defend their species from extinction.

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As for the theory lets go with the scientific use of it, how was evolution tested and proved over and over? Why did all the monkeys all of a sudden stop evolving. Why can we not get a talking Ceaser.
'Caesar'.

And we can't because humans did not evolve from monkeys.

We are a completely separate species that has similar traits to APES not monkeys. We are the evolved version of a species that is now gone... because the evolutionary tree split. We share only a common, long gone, ancestor. There were many different species of human before the current one took evolutionary control. Hell, humanity is still evolving, we can see it in something as common as our teeth.

Have you ever heard of someone having their wisdom teeth removed? Something so simple an idea and common a practice that many do not look at its significance to the proof of the evolutionary theory.

Wisdom teeth are a vestigial part of our body. Vestigiality is a parts or functions of the body that do not have any or have lost much of their original functionality. Humans do not need wisdom teeth. In fact, they cause problems enough that many need to be removed. In the case of wisdom teeth, they were originally meant to help our ancestors grind plant matter better. Though over time our mouths have gotten smaller, more crowded, and there is not enough room for the new teeth, causing damage to the mouth. (Our brains expanded, got larger, but our skulls did not. That meant that our jaw had to shrink in order to fit our brain, it's an interesting study.)

But did you know they are slowly going away? Already there are cases where people simply do not have the teeth. I, for example, do not have all four wisdom teeth. I only have two, on my left side. Neither did my mother, she only had them on the bottom. This is a sign of evolution. Happening right now. My children most likely would not have all four wisdom teeth, and my grandchildren less. My new gene, without all four wisdom teeth will pass on, and soon there will be a descendant without any at all.
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Old August 27th, 2014 (05:35 AM).
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I always found it interesting how humans act when it comes to the dead.
We're the only animals that bury our dead (someone please correct me if I'm wrong, PM me, quote reply, whatever).
What is it about death that preoccupies us?
We constantly look for answers to questions that make us yearn so much to justify our existence
Religious people seemingly hold onto the idea of prayer as some magic force that turns the hand of our universe. It really would be comforting if it worked that way
The thought of an eternal happy ending is great, who doesn't want that?
However, most people struggle to look at this option- maybe we really aren't that special, and we won't be around forever.
Everyone dies, but not every gets a chance to live.
It's a scary thought, and a sad one at that (still births).

I personally don't belief in a supernatural / spiritual afterlife; when we die, we die. We decay and become one with our universe. Matter cannot be destroyed, but can be converted into energy and vice versa. Therefore, we are technically never gone.
I find it more comforting in this, than some extraneous afterlife based on how you lived.
I really don't think burying the dead in coffins to "preserve" them serves a purpose beyond making us feel better, that we honour our dead.
We're literally gonna run out of space, eventually.
Plus, it's a dishonor in my eyes that we are prohibited from decaying naturally and rejoining Earth.
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Old August 27th, 2014 (05:45 AM).
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Quote originally posted by Phantom:
True, but how many great minds were snuffed because religion refused to accept facts that denied their beliefs?
Millions. But the certain belief that science would be way more advanced had religion not existed is a logical fallacy. As belief in the unknown is a main element of human nature, we do not know what might take the place of superstition, whether it be better or worse.

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Last I checked, the RCC still believed their god came in the handy form of a cracker.
The concept of transubstantiation is a purely supernatural belief of the RCC. Like the soul, the presence of Jesus within the Host does not affect a single physical molecule of the wafer.

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The soul does not exist.

Did you know that Christianity does not, at its heart, believe in a soul either?

According to the Bible, the dead are dead, nothing more, until Judgment day.
The terms 'spirit' and 'soul' are synonymous. God is a spirit, and is thus the supreme soul. Seeing as the Bible is all about God, Christianity certainly believes in a soul, excluding certain denominations that specifically disregard the soul out of their doctrines.

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What we attribute as morals for our species need not apply to all species.

Morality is nothing but a evolutionary trait developed over thousands of years to ensure the survival of the species.

Animals may have their own set of morality different than our own, as is to defend their species from extinction.
There is a misunderstanding then. Morality in this sense is clearly relative, and so I used morality to mean human morality and conscience.
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