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Any ideas, guys?
I hope I'm not understanding your question wrongly.

Normally you can get Pokémon without an another Generation's help.
That means Diamond and Pearl, HeartGold and SoulSilver along Platinum can capture all the Pokémon without a Gen III game's help. Similarly, Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire can capture all non-event Pokémon with X and Y versions.

The only exceptions so far are Gen II games and Generation V games, as old Pokémon like Zapdos, can't be found in the Unova based games as well as in Gold, Silver and Crystal versions. Gen V games need the help of Gen IV games, while Gen II games need the help of Gen I games.

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I hope I'm not understanding your question wrongly.

Normally you can get Pokémon without an another Generation's help.
That means Diamond and Pearl, HeartGold and SoulSilver along Platinum can capture all the Pokémon without a Gen III game's help. Similarly, Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire can capture all non-event Pokémon with X and Y versions.

The only exceptions so far are Gen II games and Generation V games, as old Pokémon like Zapdos, can't be found in the Unova based games as well as in Gold, Silver and Crystal versions. Gen V games need the help of Gen IV games, while Gen II games need the help of Gen I games.




I was hoping either the previous poster or the next would address the points here -




Hi,

Well since I want all of the evolutions and stuff, this order seems the best, going on what you have said.

1. FireRed and Leafgreen
2. HeartGold and Soulsilver
3. Diamond/Pearl and Platinum
4. Black and White
5. Black and White 2
6. X and Y
7. Omega and Alpha

I was a little confused by what you said here '' That's why one of the previous posters recommended dealing with the Pokedex completion in the sixth generation games. ''. Do you mean through trading? Are there not some Pokemon besides the starters which can't be caught in the newer releases, or do new generations include earlier generation pokemon as well?

Well if all of the Pokemon and features from Crystal are in HG/SS, then I can do without.

OK, can you help me clarify which consoles and equipment I need to play in regards the the 7 points I have listed here?
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When I said "That's why one of the previous posters recommended dealing with the Pokedex completion in the sixth generation games," I was referring to your need to trade in order to complete your Pokedex, whether to obtain version exclusive Pokemon or evolve those that only evolve by trading. While you could get all of the Pokemon by owning the games yourself, you'll need to be able to trade with yourself to do so. That requires multiple game systems in the older games, but with the current, wifi-enabled generation, you can trade with other people to obtain all of the Pokemon without needing more than one game system.

For the most part, GameFreak has tried to make all of the Pokemon (or almost all of them) available within the games of a particular generation. For example, the generation 6 games (ORAS and XY) allow you to obtain many of the starter and legendary Pokemon from other regions. For instance, you'll be able to choose one of the Kanto starters, Bulbasaur, Charmander, or Squirtle, shortly after you earn your first badge in XY. However, to obtain the other two, you'll either need to trade, transfer them from previous generations, or get their second-stage evolutions via Friend Safari. (Don't worry about friend safari right now, just be aware that it's a way of obtaining additional Pokemon that requires you to beat the Elite Four and add other users' 3DS friend codes.) So you can get these Pokemon within the sixth generation, but you can't get all of them on a single file without trading or interacting with other people. As a general rule, new generations do include previous generations' Pokemon; however, how to obtain these varies, and in some cases, you'll need to wait until after the main game (post-Elite Four) or play one particular game within a generation to obtain them. There may be exceptions (I know that was definitely the case for gen 1 legends and starters in gen 2, and it may have been the case in gen 5 with the legendary birds), but in general, you can find most current and old generation Pokemon within a particular generation.

As for equipment you'll need, it really depends on just how extensive you want to be in your Pokedex completion at each stage. Do you want to fully complete the Pokedex within each generation (in which case you'll need to play almost every game), or are you ok playing the main story for each game, transferring your team forward, and dealing with Pokedex completion in XY or ORAS?

For a minimalist playthrough (the games you mentioned, worrying about Pokedex completion at the end but transferring your team forward each time), you'll need:

--2 DS systems (if you're only playing FRLG and don't plan on trading, you won't need a GBA or GBA SP; just transfer at the end to HGSS. You'll need two of these to transfer from gen 4 to gen 5.)
--1 3DS (or 3DS XL, or 2DS) system
--One copy of each game of interest (if you're willing to wait until the end to complete your Pokedex, you don't need every game, just one from each pair)
--One annual subscription to Pokemon Bank, and the accompanying transfer tool ($5 for a year for Bank, buy it in the 3DS eShop; PokeTransfer is free)


With this approach:
1. Play FireRed or LeafGreen using the GBA slot of the DS. Note that you won't be able to trade at all, so you won't be able to complete the Pokedex along the way.
2. Play HeartGold or Soulsilver on the DS. At the end of the game, you can transfer Pokemon from FRLG to HGSS via Pal Park.
3. Play Diamond or Pearl on the DS. Trade everything from HGSS to DP using your 2 DS systems.
4. Play Platinum on the DS. Trade everything from DP to Platinum using your 2 DS systems.
5. Play Black or White on the DS. Transfer from Platinum to BW using your 2 DS systems (one with BW, one with Platinum).
6. Play Black2 or White2 on the DS. Trade everything from BW to BW2 at your earliest convenience.
7. Play XY on the 3DS. Download Pokemon Bank and PokeTransfer and move your Pokemon from BW2 to XY.
8. Play ORAS on the 3DS. To avoid buying a second 3DS, use Pokemon Bank to transfer your team from XY to ORAS. Use the GTS, Wonder Trade, the trade boards here, etc., to obtain the rest of the Pokemon you need and/or breed/train to complete your Pokedex.


That's probably the most doable route, though it doesn't really involve completing the Pokedex at all until gen 6. Still, many of these games aren't cheap these days, so if you plan to buy physical copies (and game systems to go with them), this is probably your best approach.

If you want to complete your Pokedex in each successive generation, you'll need to take a more comprehensive approach. Additionally, there will be some event-only Pokemon that you will not be able to obtain. That being said, if you want to do that, I believe this is what you will need for each step:

1. Completing the Kanto Dex in FRLG:
Equipment needed: 2 GBA systems, both game versions, 2 wireless adapters or a GBA link cable. (If you want to complete the 386 Pokemon national dex in this generation, minus events, you'll want to use the GBA link cable so you can trade with RSE.)
Just like with Red and Blue, using these two games, you'll be able to catch the first 150 Pokemon.

2. Completing the Hoenn Dex (optional, do this only if you want to complete the 386 national dex):
What you'll need: Ruby and Sapphire, GBA link cable, 2 GBAs.

3. Completing the 386 National Dex (minus events):
What you'll need: FRLG, RSE, Colosseum, and XD (the last two are GameCube games; I don't think you actually need all of these, but I would need to look up exactly which combination you need to complete your national dex; I want to say you can do it with RSE/LG/Colosseum, and maybe one of the other two games, but I'm not sure). Also, a GameCube, one or two GBAs (you can trade with the GameCube game with only one GBA, saving you a GBA, if you want), and a GameCube/GBA connector cable. The GBA link cable is optional in this case, but if you completed the Kanto Dex first, you'll already have it by this point.

3. Complete the Johto Dex.
What you'll need: 2 DS systems, both HG and SS.

4. Complete the original (non-expanded) Sinnoh Dex.
What you'll need: 2 DS systems, both Diamond and Pearl.

5. Complete the expanded Sinnoh Dex.
What you'll need: Platinum plus what you already have up to this point.

6. Complete the 493 National Dex (minus events).
What you'll need: 2 DS systems, DP/HGSS; don't recall if you need Platinum for anything or not.

7. Complete the Black and White Dex.
What you'll need: Black and White, 2 DS systems.

8. Complete the National Dex in gen 5.
What you'll need: BW plus the gen 4 games. BW2 are definitely worth playing and may make this easier, but I don't think you technically need them.

9. Complete the Kalos Dex.
What you'll need: 1 3DS, either X or Y, an internet connection that works with your 3DS (if you're using an enterprise network like those found at some universities, you may have problems, but if you have your own router/network, you should be fine). If you are someplace where you can't get your 3DS to connect, phone hotspots can work too.

10. Complete the ORAS Hoenn Dex.
What you'll need: One 3DS, either OR or AS, and an internet connection that works with your 3DS.

11. Complete the gen 6 national dex.
What you'll need: Technically, just one 3DS, one gen 6 game (OR or AS if you want all of the megas), and a working internet connection. If trading with yourself for trade evolutions, you'll need 2 3DS systems. Otherwise, you can use Bank to move your own Pokemon from one game to another.

That second list was probably long and somewhat confusing. You're probably best sticking with the minimalist approach, and getting an extra system or two if you want to play all of the games and trade with yourself.

Hope this helps somewhat. Let me know if you have more questions.
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Old August 24th, 2015 (2:21 AM). Edited August 24th, 2015 by ZapdosVictrix.
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When I said "That's why one of the previous posters recommended dealing with the Pokedex completion in the sixth generation games," I was referring to your need to trade in order to complete your Pokedex, whether to obtain version exclusive Pokemon or evolve those that only evolve by trading. While you could get all of the Pokemon by owning the games yourself, you'll need to be able to trade with yourself to do so. That requires multiple game systems in the older games, but with the current, wifi-enabled generation, you can trade with other people to obtain all of the Pokemon without needing more than one game system.

For the most part, GameFreak has tried to make all of the Pokemon (or almost all of them) available within the games of a particular generation. For example, the generation 6 games (ORAS and XY) allow you to obtain many of the starter and legendary Pokemon from other regions. For instance, you'll be able to choose one of the Kanto starters, Bulbasaur, Charmander, or Squirtle, shortly after you earn your first badge in XY. However, to obtain the other two, you'll either need to trade, transfer them from previous generations, or get their second-stage evolutions via Friend Safari. (Don't worry about friend safari right now, just be aware that it's a way of obtaining additional Pokemon that requires you to beat the Elite Four and add other users' 3DS friend codes.) So you can get these Pokemon within the sixth generation, but you can't get all of them on a single file without trading or interacting with other people. As a general rule, new generations do include previous generations' Pokemon; however, how to obtain these varies, and in some cases, you'll need to wait until after the main game (post-Elite Four) or play one particular game within a generation to obtain them. There may be exceptions (I know that was definitely the case for gen 1 legends and starters in gen 2, and it may have been the case in gen 5 with the legendary birds), but in general, you can find most current and old generation Pokemon within a particular generation.

As for equipment you'll need, it really depends on just how extensive you want to be in your Pokedex completion at each stage. Do you want to fully complete the Pokedex within each generation (in which case you'll need to play almost every game), or are you ok playing the main story for each game, transferring your team forward, and dealing with Pokedex completion in XY or ORAS?

For a minimalist playthrough (the games you mentioned, worrying about Pokedex completion at the end but transferring your team forward each time), you'll need:

--2 DS systems (if you're only playing FRLG and don't plan on trading, you won't need a GBA or GBA SP; just transfer at the end to HGSS. You'll need two of these to transfer from gen 4 to gen 5.)
--1 3DS (or 3DS XL, or 2DS) system
--One copy of each game of interest (if you're willing to wait until the end to complete your Pokedex, you don't need every game, just one from each pair)
--One annual subscription to Pokemon Bank, and the accompanying transfer tool ($5 for a year for Bank, buy it in the 3DS eShop; PokeTransfer is free)


With this approach:
1. Play FireRed or LeafGreen using the GBA slot of the DS. Note that you won't be able to trade at all, so you won't be able to complete the Pokedex along the way.
2. Play HeartGold or Soulsilver on the DS. At the end of the game, you can transfer Pokemon from FRLG to HGSS via Pal Park.
3. Play Diamond or Pearl on the DS. Trade everything from HGSS to DP using your 2 DS systems.
4. Play Platinum on the DS. Trade everything from DP to Platinum using your 2 DS systems.
5. Play Black or White on the DS. Transfer from Platinum to BW using your 2 DS systems (one with BW, one with Platinum).
6. Play Black2 or White2 on the DS. Trade everything from BW to BW2 at your earliest convenience.
7. Play XY on the 3DS. Download Pokemon Bank and PokeTransfer and move your Pokemon from BW2 to XY.
8. Play ORAS on the 3DS. To avoid buying a second 3DS, use Pokemon Bank to transfer your team from XY to ORAS. Use the GTS, Wonder Trade, the trade boards here, etc., to obtain the rest of the Pokemon you need and/or breed/train to complete your Pokedex.


That's probably the most doable route, though it doesn't really involve completing the Pokedex at all until gen 6. Still, many of these games aren't cheap these days, so if you plan to buy physical copies (and game systems to go with them), this is probably your best approach.

If you want to complete your Pokedex in each successive generation, you'll need to take a more comprehensive approach. Additionally, there will be some event-only Pokemon that you will not be able to obtain. That being said, if you want to do that, I believe this is what you will need for each step:

1. Completing the Kanto Dex in FRLG:
Equipment needed: 2 GBA systems, both game versions, 2 wireless adapters or a GBA link cable. (If you want to complete the 386 Pokemon national dex in this generation, minus events, you'll want to use the GBA link cable so you can trade with RSE.)
Just like with Red and Blue, using these two games, you'll be able to catch the first 150 Pokemon.

2. Completing the Hoenn Dex (optional, do this only if you want to complete the 386 national dex):
What you'll need: Ruby and Sapphire, GBA link cable, 2 GBAs.

3. Completing the 386 National Dex (minus events):
What you'll need: FRLG, RSE, Colosseum, and XD (the last two are GameCube games; I don't think you actually need all of these, but I would need to look up exactly which combination you need to complete your national dex; I want to say you can do it with RSE/LG/Colosseum, and maybe one of the other two games, but I'm not sure). Also, a GameCube, one or two GBAs (you can trade with the GameCube game with only one GBA, saving you a GBA, if you want), and a GameCube/GBA connector cable. The GBA link cable is optional in this case, but if you completed the Kanto Dex first, you'll already have it by this point.

3. Complete the Johto Dex.
What you'll need: 2 DS systems, both HG and SS.

4. Complete the original (non-expanded) Sinnoh Dex.
What you'll need: 2 DS systems, both Diamond and Pearl.

5. Complete the expanded Sinnoh Dex.
What you'll need: Platinum plus what you already have up to this point.

6. Complete the 493 National Dex (minus events).
What you'll need: 2 DS systems, DP/HGSS; don't recall if you need Platinum for anything or not.

7. Complete the Black and White Dex.
What you'll need: Black and White, 2 DS systems.

8. Complete the National Dex in gen 5.
What you'll need: BW plus the gen 4 games. BW2 are definitely worth playing and may make this easier, but I don't think you technically need them.

9. Complete the Kalos Dex.
What you'll need: 1 3DS, either X or Y, an internet connection that works with your 3DS (if you're using an enterprise network like those found at some universities, you may have problems, but if you have your own router/network, you should be fine). If you are someplace where you can't get your 3DS to connect, phone hotspots can work too.

10. Complete the ORAS Hoenn Dex.
What you'll need: One 3DS, either OR or AS, and an internet connection that works with your 3DS.

11. Complete the gen 6 national dex.
What you'll need: Technically, just one 3DS, one gen 6 game (OR or AS if you want all of the megas), and a working internet connection. If trading with yourself for trade evolutions, you'll need 2 3DS systems. Otherwise, you can use Bank to move your own Pokemon from one game to another.

That second list was probably long and somewhat confusing. You're probably best sticking with the minimalist approach, and getting an extra system or two if you want to play all of the games and trade with yourself.

Hope this helps somewhat. Let me know if you have more questions.

Thank you for your No Stone Left Unturned approach.

I see the sense in completing the Pokedex at the end with Wifi Trading. I'm happy to do so infact, although my only reservations are how safe the trading is, the popularity of trading in general and the availability of the Pokemon which I will likely need, such as starter Pokemon? I presume.

For sure, possessing the Legendary birds is a big deal for me, so being able to get those is a priority. I suppose when you talk about exceptions, you mean that you could catch them whenever you liked, no? Or my memory of Gen 1 is worse than I thought.

To confirm, yes I am happy enough to complete the story and move my team onto the next game. I don't need to complete the pokedex within each generation, so long as it can be done at the end via wifi trading.

Ok. So let me just clarify that point. I don't need GBA x2 at all, for any reason, if I take the minimalist approach?

As for point 1 of the minimalist approach, I was just a little confused by " Note that you won't be able to trade at all, so you won't be able to complete the Pokedex along the way". Do you mean that I can't trade between FR and LG using the DS slot for GBA? And that I must wait until HG and SS? If I can't trade between FR and LG unless I have 2 GBA's, then it doesn't matter, as long as I can transfer my team forward from one game to the next.

On a side note, should I be concerned about version exclusive moves?


Thanks again for taking the time to address all of my points!
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Thank you for your No Stone Left Unturned approach.

I see the sense in completing the Pokedex at the end with Wifi Trading. I'm happy to do so infact, although my only reservations are how safe the trading is, the popularity of trading in general and the availability of the Pokemon which I will likely need, such as starter Pokemon? I presume.

For sure, possessing the Legendary birds is a big deal for me, so being able to get those is a priority. I suppose when you talk about exceptions, you mean that you could catch them whenever you liked, no? Or my memory of Gen 1 is worse than I thought.

To confirm, yes I am happy enough to complete the story and move my team onto the next game. I don't need to complete the pokedex within each generation, so long as it can be done at the end via wifi trading.

Ok. So let me just clarify that point. I don't need GBA x2 at all, for any reason, if I take the minimalist approach?

As for point 1 of the minimalist approach, I was just a little confused by " Note that you won't be able to trade at all, so you won't be able to complete the Pokedex along the way". Do you mean that I can't trade between FR and LG using the DS slot for GBA? And that I must wait until HG and SS? If I can't trade between FR and LG unless I have 2 GBA's, then it doesn't matter, as long as I can transfer my team forward from one game to the next.

On a side note, should I be concerned about version exclusive moves?


Thanks again for taking the time to address all of my points!
Sorry for the slight delay. It's a busy week for me, so I'll try to keep this reasonably short and elaborate more later if you want.

Re: your reservations with trading:
1. Safety: If you're concerned about someone trading you something that could corrupt your game file, that isn't a concern. While I recall hearing rumors about bad eggs corrupting people's save files in the early days of Wonder Trade (a random trading activity), I never saw any concrete evidence to support the notion that that was actually a problem (and if it was, it was for a very small subset of games, and should be resolved by now). If you're worried about receiving non-legit Pokemon (i.e., ones not generated by the game itself, but by outside devices), that's possible, but they should, for the most part, be "legal" (have normal movesets, abilities, etc.), or they won't be able to be traded. For most Pokemon, you can breed the Pokemon you receive from trading and then raise your own, legitimately-hatched offspring. And if you want to be able to trade-evolve your own Pokemon, rather than just trading for the evolutions, you can find plenty of trustworthy people here to help with trading and trading back. (Assuming I'm not too busy, I'd be happy to help with that if and when the time comes.)

If by safety, you're concerned about privacy-related concerns, most trading is fairly anonymous anyway, and if it really bothers you, don't use your really name for your character.

2. Popularity of trading: Trading is still pretty popular. It will likely die down over time, depending on how long it takes before you get to the gen 6 games, but there should be enough activity that you can get most of what you want from the GTS if need be. (A good strategy is to offer up Pokemon you've bred in exchange for those you're looking for; you may have to wait a bit to get a response, but since I can normally get people to trade legendaries for my custom-bred starters, it shouldn't be too hard to get most Pokemon.)

3. Pokemon availability: Most Pokemon are readily available via trading. Starters are among the easiest to find, because so many people want to breed them, so I wouldn't worry about that. The main Pokemon that are difficult to get are the few that cannot be traded over the GTS due to special ribbons that they hold. These are generally event Pokemon, so you'll need to find someone on the trade boards to help with those. For better or for worse, the trading economy has kind of been shot by the availability of cloning services and means of creating/modifying your own Pokemon, so you should find people who are willing to give you some of the things you're looking for at relatively little expense on your part. (Look for giveaway threads.)

When talking about the legendary birds as exceptions in gen 2 and gen 5, I meant that in gen 2, there was no way to catch them other than to trade them from RBY. In gen 5, I believe you cannot catch them in game (I don't quite remember, but that's what another user mentioned), so you need to transfer them from gen 4. In this case, you can catch one legendary bird in the post-Elite 4 part of X and Y (depending on which Kalos starter Pokemon you picked), though you'll need to trade for the other two.

If you take the minimalist approach, you won't need to trade from FR or LG to any other games, so you are correct that you will not need a GBA. As long as you have a DS with GBA slot, you'll be fine. The 2x GBAs are for trading purposes between multiple gen 3 games. If you aren't trading, you would only need a GBA if you decided to add in and transfer Pokemon from the GameCube games (Colosseum and XD), which are not part of my minimalist approach (though I liked those game, and they're a little different from the other "main series" games, if you ever get a chance to play them).

You will not be able to trade between GBA games via the GBA slot on the DS. You need 2 GBAs (or GBA SPs) and a GBA link cable or two wifi adapters to do this. You can only use the GBA slot of the DS to transfer from gen 3 to gen 4 (so in this case, from FR or LG to HG or SS), so if you do not have multiple GBAs, you'll just want to transfer your FR or LG team forward once you're done with those games.

I wouldn't worry about version-exclusive moves. (I assume you mean moves that can be learned in one generation but not another, or the special moves Pokemon from Colosseum come with that others do not. There aren't generally any move differences between two games of a pair within the same generation, unlike the version differences in which Pokemon appear in the wild.) If you want to use any Pokemon competitively, you'll usually need to rebreed with the moves available in the most recent games anyway, so it isn't terribly relevant. (And if you do want to get into competitive battling, you'll probably want to breed your team in the new games, as it's a lot easier to get perfect IVs--think of them as being like genes for each stat--in the new games than it used to be.)

Hope that helps. I should have time to answer more questions or clarify anything I said that wasn't clear over the weekend.
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Sorry for the slight delay. It's a busy week for me, so I'll try to keep this reasonably short and elaborate more later if you want.

Re: your reservations with trading:
1. Safety: If you're concerned about someone trading you something that could corrupt your game file, that isn't a concern. While I recall hearing rumors about bad eggs corrupting people's save files in the early days of Wonder Trade (a random trading activity), I never saw any concrete evidence to support the notion that that was actually a problem (and if it was, it was for a very small subset of games, and should be resolved by now). If you're worried about receiving non-legit Pokemon (i.e., ones not generated by the game itself, but by outside devices), that's possible, but they should, for the most part, be "legal" (have normal movesets, abilities, etc.), or they won't be able to be traded. For most Pokemon, you can breed the Pokemon you receive from trading and then raise your own, legitimately-hatched offspring. And if you want to be able to trade-evolve your own Pokemon, rather than just trading for the evolutions, you can find plenty of trustworthy people here to help with trading and trading back. (Assuming I'm not too busy, I'd be happy to help with that if and when the time comes.)

If by safety, you're concerned about privacy-related concerns, most trading is fairly anonymous anyway, and if it really bothers you, don't use your really name for your character.

2. Popularity of trading: Trading is still pretty popular. It will likely die down over time, depending on how long it takes before you get to the gen 6 games, but there should be enough activity that you can get most of what you want from the GTS if need be. (A good strategy is to offer up Pokemon you've bred in exchange for those you're looking for; you may have to wait a bit to get a response, but since I can normally get people to trade legendaries for my custom-bred starters, it shouldn't be too hard to get most Pokemon.)

3. Pokemon availability: Most Pokemon are readily available via trading. Starters are among the easiest to find, because so many people want to breed them, so I wouldn't worry about that. The main Pokemon that are difficult to get are the few that cannot be traded over the GTS due to special ribbons that they hold. These are generally event Pokemon, so you'll need to find someone on the trade boards to help with those. For better or for worse, the trading economy has kind of been shot by the availability of cloning services and means of creating/modifying your own Pokemon, so you should find people who are willing to give you some of the things you're looking for at relatively little expense on your part. (Look for giveaway threads.)

When talking about the legendary birds as exceptions in gen 2 and gen 5, I meant that in gen 2, there was no way to catch them other than to trade them from RBY. In gen 5, I believe you cannot catch them in game (I don't quite remember, but that's what another user mentioned), so you need to transfer them from gen 4. In this case, you can catch one legendary bird in the post-Elite 4 part of X and Y (depending on which Kalos starter Pokemon you picked), though you'll need to trade for the other two.

If you take the minimalist approach, you won't need to trade from FR or LG to any other games, so you are correct that you will not need a GBA. As long as you have a DS with GBA slot, you'll be fine. The 2x GBAs are for trading purposes between multiple gen 3 games. If you aren't trading, you would only need a GBA if you decided to add in and transfer Pokemon from the GameCube games (Colosseum and XD), which are not part of my minimalist approach (though I liked those game, and they're a little different from the other "main series" games, if you ever get a chance to play them).

You will not be able to trade between GBA games via the GBA slot on the DS. You need 2 GBAs (or GBA SPs) and a GBA link cable or two wifi adapters to do this. You can only use the GBA slot of the DS to transfer from gen 3 to gen 4 (so in this case, from FR or LG to HG or SS), so if you do not have multiple GBAs, you'll just want to transfer your FR or LG team forward once you're done with those games.

I wouldn't worry about version-exclusive moves. (I assume you mean moves that can be learned in one generation but not another, or the special moves Pokemon from Colosseum come with that others do not. There aren't generally any move differences between two games of a pair within the same generation, unlike the version differences in which Pokemon appear in the wild.) If you want to use any Pokemon competitively, you'll usually need to rebreed with the moves available in the most recent games anyway, so it isn't terribly relevant. (And if you do want to get into competitive battling, you'll probably want to breed your team in the new games, as it's a lot easier to get perfect IVs--think of them as being like genes for each stat--in the new games than it used to be.)

Hope that helps. I should have time to answer more questions or clarify anything I said that wasn't clear over the weekend.
Don't worry, thanks for covering everything in detail again, I appreciate it.

So, I suppose the way to start is to purchase 2 Nintendo DS's, FireRed and HeartGold. Sound good to you? /Edit. Is it a better option to buy 2 DS Lite? Looking at it, the DS Lite is a better option. Just to clarify then, I need 2 DS's followed by one 3DS. Is that all correct?

Also, thanks for the friend request, I look forward to hooking up and battling with all sorts of people later on when I'm involved with the later games. We can definitely do some trading at one point!


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Don't worry, thanks for covering everything in detail again, I appreciate it.

So, I suppose the way to start is to purchase 2 Nintendo DS's, FireRed and HeartGold. Sound good to you? /Edit. Is it a better option to buy 2 DS Lite? Looking at it, the DS Lite is a better option. Just to clarify then, I need 2 DS's followed by one 3DS. Is that all correct?

Also, thanks for the friend request, I look forward to hooking up and battling with all sorts of people later on when I'm involved with the later games. We can definitely do some trading at one point!


Thanks again!
DS vs. DS lite shouldn't make a difference, so just get whichever one you like better/is cheaper. (I have one DS and one DS lite, and the combination works well.) The hinges on those units can be a little fragile, though, so make sure to get one that is in decent shape. Just make sure you don't get a DSi, as that doesn't have a GBA game slot.

You'll eventually want two DS systems (and one 3DS system), but you'll only need one DS for the first two games (FireRed and HeartGold, or LeafGreen and SoulSilver, whichever games you can find), so it may be easiest to start with the first system and then pick up a second one once you confirm that you're enjoying the experience. Assuming you're fine with trading with others and/or transferring your Pokemon among your 6th generation games using Pokemon Bank, you should be fine with just one 3DS. Any model is fine, although if you haven't bought a 3DS yet, I personally find the XL more comfortable to hold (with medium-sized hands) than the standard one. (Or you could get the new 3DS, though I don't know much about that.)

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DS vs. DS lite shouldn't make a difference, so just get whichever one you like better/is cheaper. (I have one DS and one DS lite, and the combination works well.) The hinges on those units can be a little fragile, though, so make sure to get one that is in decent shape. Just make sure you don't get a DSi, as that doesn't have a GBA game slot.

You'll eventually want two DS systems (and one 3DS system), but you'll only need one DS for the first two games (FireRed and HeartGold, or LeafGreen and SoulSilver, whichever games you can find), so it may be easiest to start with the first system and then pick up a second one once you confirm that you're enjoying the experience. Assuming you're fine with trading with others and/or transferring your Pokemon among your 6th generation games using Pokemon Bank, you should be fine with just one 3DS. Any model is fine, although if you haven't bought a 3DS yet, I personally find the XL more comfortable to hold (with medium-sized hands) than the standard one. (Or you could get the new 3DS, though I don't know much about that.)

Good luck with your journey!
All right, you've covered absolutely everything.

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I was wondering about a Pokemon Yellow glitch I once did. I forgot how to do it and I can't find it at all online. It's a glitch called, 'Run Away Pikachu' where you do something or another and Pikachu's supposed to go nuts and start running across the screen. Anyone know how to pull this off?
Found it! And I was wrong. It's not a glitch but a gameshark code:

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Turn the gameshark switch to the on position while in the game. Now, take a couple steps, pikachu may dissapear, or merge with you. Or it could run away,
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Hey Pokemon lovers! I recently started playing through Pokemon Crystal again, and I need some small assistance with team building! I've already picked Cyndaquil as my starter, and I've also decided on getting Donaphan, Heracross and Skarmory/Noctowl.

Other options I am considering are Ampharos/Electabuzz, but I could get a Lanturn instead. Also, is Poliwrath/Politoad any good if I have Heracross? If any of you guys could get back to me as soon as possible, that would be great!
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Hey Pokemon lovers! I recently started playing through Pokemon Crystal again, and I need some small assistance with team building! I've already picked Cyndaquil as my starter, and I've also decided on getting Donaphan, Heracross and Skarmory/Noctowl.

Other options I am considering are Ampharos/Electabuzz, but I could get a Lanturn instead. Also, is Poliwrath/Politoad any good if I have Heracross? If any of you guys could get back to me as soon as possible, that would be great!
iirc poliwrath is good for physical, and politoed is special.
I guess it depends on the other members of your team as well.
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Any tips on catching Raikou/Entei/Suicune in Gold/Silver? I know the method of Mean Look/False Swipe or at least don't let them flee or roar you and try to bring their HP down as much as possible, but I'm having more problems in trying to encounter them because they switch positions way too much.

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For some reason my ditto doesn't want to breed with Ursaring. I'he breeder pichu and it didn't take me long.


But here I am walking around for weeks and I get nothing
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Does Ursaring show interest in Ditto? (Talk to Ditto and/or Ursaring outside the Day Care Center)

It should show interest and it usually took me a mixed time just for an egg to hatch. Recently the time for me to get a Tyrogue Egg was the longest (like more than 10 minutes) but the others took like 5 minutes so it's sort-of normal for this to happen. I suggest walking around again and just wait.

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Quickly going to push this into the 4th Gen Help Thread. Any quick questions you might have belong there!

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Has anyone got a link to a working DV calculator for both first and second gen pokemon games? I ask bease Psypoke's calculator is horribly inaccurate, Serribi never added one onto their site, I found a simple flash calculator on deviantart once but it only works for 1st gen games (as such johto pokemon aren't featured) and just about every other link I can find leads to a dead webpage. There's one program I once used in the past that no longer will work on my computer. I bring this up since I could use this for a few ROM hacks I've been playing and it's bothersome no one has a DV calculator for the original gen 1 and 2 games, especially with the ability to check on hidden power's strength and type in the gen 2 games. Can anyone give me a link to a useful resource?
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Meh, don't bother with calculating, get a save editor and look at them directly.
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Meh, don't bother with calculating, get a save editor and look at them directly.
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Thanks, but I don't want an editor, it takes the challenge out of the game.
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Thanks, but I don't want an editor, it takes the challenge out of the game.
You aren't editing anything, you're only checking DVs which is what you are asking for.

This is likely your only realistic option, as it seems unlikely there would be good DV calculators around anymore, and if you can find one, if you haven't been keeping track of stat exp then good luck calculating the DVs. You'd have to either keep track of stat exp (plenty of resources online that could help you with that), or level your Pokémon to a high enough level with rare candies (can't get enough without cheating) or day care (have fun with that one.)

If you're interested in calculating it yourself still here are a few links to help you figure it out.

How stat exp works
How DVs and Secret Power works in Gen. I/II
This also has formulas for calculating the stats. If you know stat exp you can solve the equation to get DV for that stat (woo algebra!)
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I suppose you have a point, sorry about that I was skeptical if anything else.
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Alright, so I'm doing a Nuzlocke on Yellow (for a multi-generation story that I do hope to post to Azurilland eventually), and I don't know if this is where I want to ask this, but figured might as well try.

I got a Vulpix, and I know I won't be evolving it until at least Level 35 when it learns Flamethrower. But it is worth it to go the extra mile and wait until Level 42 for Fire Spin? Those wrapping moves are decent in this game, but I don't know if I should put up with that trouble. I'm playing on Set battle style with a limit of three healing items per battle (plus two extra status healing items), should that influence this at all. Thanks!
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Alright, so I'm doing a Nuzlocke on Yellow (for a multi-generation story that I do hope to post to Azurilland eventually), and I don't know if this is where I want to ask this, but figured might as well try.

I got a Vulpix, and I know I won't be evolving it until at least Level 35 when it learns Flamethrower. But it is worth it to go the extra mile and wait until Level 42 for Fire Spin? Those wrapping moves are decent in this game, but I don't know if I should put up with that trouble. I'm playing on Set battle style with a limit of three healing items per battle (plus two extra status healing items), should that influence this at all. Thanks!
Imo, yes you should! Fire Spin is a excellent move in Gen I! And it's not like Vulpix can learn a lot of moves back then; Energy Ball, Dark Pulse, Extrasensory do not exist back then, so it doesn't hurt to make it learn Fire Spin. (:

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Yeah, move-pools in Generation I are not broad... But it'll be hard for me to keep it as an un-evolved Vulpix, with mediocre stats all-around, for five more levels. That'd pretty much require me to beat all the trainers I could before Koga and Sabrina's Gyms and then train up. (Hopefully it'll have Flamethrower by the time I'm done with Silph Co...). But I could go for it.
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