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Old June 23rd, 2014 (11:53 PM). Edited June 24th, 2014 by LetItBeKnown.
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Quote originally posted by Gonzo:
This thread is so funny. Why people keep forgetting it's a Pokemon forum primarily? The target of the franchise won't really be interested and can actually be scared by this kind of content here. Not mentioning their parents not being happy with where they children spend time on the Internet.
I previously stated that parental controls exist. Also, regardless of the main primary content of the forum, it is a forum. All forums have off-topic discussions, and just because the primary focus is Pokémon, that doesn't mean everyone should be limited to discuss only Pokémon. Eventually you will become bored of talking about how much Magikarp sucks, and you will venture elsewhere in order to fine better sustenance. So, if not here on PC, where everything is safe and controlled, then kids will find it somewhere else that could potentially be dangerous.

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Mature tag? Are you kidding me? As soon as you edit your age, you're eligible to view those threads. What are you going to do to verify they're actually younger? Ask for birth certificate? ID/Driving Licence photo? Those information are sensitive and people won't want to share them, obviously.
Then there's no need to share them. It's not like pornographic content is going to suddenly be allowed at PC, we're just allowing clean discussion. I think you're misunderstanding the situation completely.
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Old June 24th, 2014 (12:53 AM).
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Quote originally posted by Gonzo:
This thread is so funny. Why people keep forgetting it's a Pokemon forum primarily? The target of the franchise won't really be interested and can actually be scared by this kind of content here. Not mentioning their parents not being happy with where they children spend time on the Internet.

Mature tag? Are you kidding me? As soon as you edit your age, you're eligible to view those threads. What are you going to do to verify they're actually younger? Ask for birth certificate? ID/Driving Licence photo? Those information are sensitive and people won't want to share them, obviously.
I think you're missing the point of a mature tag, Gonzo.

Editing your age to be older than you are would be completely up to you. If a kid wants to change their age on here so they can view the mature threads, then so be it. The point is that PC won't end up with a bad reputation. Because hey the kid's doing it on their own accord, PC doesn't have control over those who lie about their age online. It's just that if a parent were to find their kid reading mature threads on here, then they'd have written documentation stating that a mature tag is in effect here for those that are too young. So then the parent would know that their child is the one who bypassed it and that there was an effort made to reinforce safe content here.

It also permits those who do not wish to see mature content the opportunity to block it out from even appearing on the forum page. Just because you're the appropriate age to see those threads doesn't mean you will always want to. A mature tag will give those who don't wish to see them the ability to block them out. It'll also have the potential to block guests out from seeing these threads altogether, so that you have to be a member in the first place to turn on mature tag viewing.

If kids see these kinds of threads and tell their parents later, then it won't be PC's fault anymore.
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Old June 24th, 2014 (01:19 AM). Edited June 24th, 2014 by Honest.
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Quote originally posted by Gonzo:
This thread is so funny. Why people keep forgetting it's a Pokemon forum primarily? The target of the franchise won't really be interested and can actually be scared by this kind of content here. Not mentioning their parents not being happy with where they children spend time on the Internet.

Mature tag? Are you kidding me? As soon as you edit your age, you're eligible to view those threads. What are you going to do to verify they're actually younger? Ask for birth certificate? ID/Driving Licence photo? Those information are sensitive and people won't want to share them, obviously.

I've seen so many stupid ideas here, but this one beats them all combined. This also make me question Andy as the right person to moderate General Chat. This thread should be deleted right of the bat, not because "another mod told me it's not OK". Pokecommunity is for Pokemon, sex sites are for sex.
Okay. It's primarily a Pokémon forum. Yahoo. What's your point? There is a whole section of this website that could care less about Pokémon. I'm one of those people. So does that mean I have no rights, because I share no interest on what the forum is, as you put it, primarily about? Considering I see a whole section catered to non-Pokémon discussion, it's obvious to anyone and everyone that that's not the case, and to think otherwise is simply stupid. People can have different opinions on things, but to refute that is wrong, period.

That all being said, even if this is a Pokémon forum, that doesn't make the whole forum subject to a childish limitation. You might as well delete the entire Discussion and Debates section, cause questionable stuff, or at least questionable by your definition, shouldn't be permitted. PC isn't going to be responsible for a person lying about their age; that's on them. We can give them fair warning, and take certain measures, but if they end up being traumatized over something they were completely warned about and refused to listen, whose problem is that? Hint: it's theirs.

Considering this was my idea, the fact that I was the most recent mod for Café, and the fact that your argument is purely "it's a Pokemon forum, gotta keep it for the little ones" leaves me with a very sour taste. You're spitting out excuses and not explaining anything, which is the reason why PC continues to have this problem. Oh, and reread what the function of the mature tag was. It looks as if you didn't grab the concept of what they do at all.
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Quote originally posted by Gonzo:
This also make me question Andy as the right person to moderate General Chat. This thread should be deleted right of the bat, not because "another mod told me it's not OK". Pokecommunity is for Pokemon, sex sites are for sex.
But he moderates it perfectly well? For a start, he moderates a forum under Off-Topic Discussions, so your argument that it's just a Pokémon forum is flawed. How many other sections but Pokémon related are there? Yes, it might be primarily a Pokémon site but why should that inhibit people who want to have off-topic discussions?

And as I said before, there's been worse discussed on this site before and it was managed perfectly well. There's discussions about murder, hate crime and terrorist attacks and other heinous crimes every other week. But as soon as sex is mentioned, there's an uproar. Why should we be scared to talk about a natural occurrence?
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Old June 24th, 2014 (02:28 AM). Edited June 24th, 2014 by seeker.
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Yeah I'm going to take the liberty in ignoring arguments about stressing what this forum is about. I think we've stressed the fact that we're on a Pokémon forum enough. For what it's worth, we're a Pokémon community, hence, PokéCommunity. Within any community, there is diverse tastes and cultures, all linked together by one common ground. Here that happens to be this forum and our initial love of Pokémon. Everyone comes here for different reasons, so the forum isn't the same thing for every person. Now, it would be ignorant to suggest that we are only a Pokémon forum, we are so much more than that. Something like 3 out of 8 categories have the word "Pokémon" in it, actually. We have a booming Off-Topic section, and General Chat is consistently the most active singular section on PC. There is a large drive and interest in these sorts of discussions, and I think it is more healthy for both PC and people to discuss these in the open rather than feel the need for other outlets. This forum is a safe platform in which to discuss, and I maintain that it will remain to be. Bottom line is, these kinds of topics already exist on PC, but some people are sensitive to them. We should completely empathise with this, and respect it. There's more cultures and ages here than we can possibly account for, but we can do our best to accommodate as many as we possibly can.

Now, there are a few ideas above that I read. One from Endless, I think would be a good idea, and one from Magic, too. So I'm going to revise my suggestion. So here's what I think we should do:
  • Add a [Mature] tag to General Chat & Discussions & Debates
  • Make these threads moderated, to avoid misconception that they are meant for NSFW material
  • Hide threads tagged with this from Guests
  • Allow users to toggle whether or not they see mature content at all
This way, I feel everyone is covered, and we avoid potential misuse of the tag.
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Old June 24th, 2014 (03:41 AM).
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Right - this isn't directed at anyone in particular, but unless we can discuss ideas put up in this thread civilly rather than the people presenting them (or anything else for that matter), this is just gonna get closed and we'll just take all discussion to the existing staff threads. It's great and all when the community contributes stuff as a whole but this is starting to get much too ad hominem for my liking.

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Old June 24th, 2014 (04:44 AM).
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Toggle sounds great. Off by default, hide the on button in the settings? Such a feature would be lovely for censors too.
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Old June 24th, 2014 (08:43 AM).
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honestly didn't even realize this thread was going on and I probably would have made a fool of myself if I had so it's probably all for the best. anyway, the compromises we've come up with are good in my eyes for certain, perfect, even.

while we're (kind of) at it, can we get rid of the automatic and non-toggle-able swear censors because that really gets my goat
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Old June 24th, 2014 (09:22 AM).
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Swear censors are a whole different ball game, and while I don't want to get into it too much, I'll run through a few things quickly. Objectively, I can't see much wrong with a filter toggle so long as we remove the censor bypass rule (for some words, I'll get into that below), and keep the filter on by default.

I think the main reason we've had a swearing filter since the dawn of days was purely to promote a positive atmosphere. That, and there's a lot of derogatory words which have no place on PC, you know the ones. Thing is, it's hard to have a toggle for some words, and not others. People dropping the occasional F-bomb or using an urban-thesaurus for the word "poo," doesn't concern me much. However, the case is that there are a lot of words that are seen as offensive without being directed. Words that are insulting to minorities, races of people, and so on.

If we can have a toggle for a list of pretty much harmless words, and always keep derogatory ones censored, then I'd be okay with that. Naturally staff would infract/warn members for using derogatory terms so we could go ahead and make all words uncensored, but the case is, I'd rather not see racial slurs being visible at all. So if we can split the filter, for words that are able to be toggled on or off, and keep certain words always censored, then that'd be sweet. However, it's a tricky affair.

Though this discussion on swear filters is pretty off-topic, and perhaps warrants its own thread. Bottom line is, I'm happy with seeing a toggle for the censor, so long as certain derogatory terms and racial slurs always remain censored.
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Old June 24th, 2014 (10:35 AM).
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Quote originally posted by Gonzo:
This thread is so funny. Why people keep forgetting it's a Pokemon forum primarily? The target of the franchise won't really be interested and can actually be scared by this kind of content here. Not mentioning their parents not being happy with where they children spend time on the Internet.
We're not here to cater to the needs of parents, and the "target of the franchise" is largely irrelevant when put up to the average PC user. If we were officially affilated with the Pokemon Company International and had obligations to such things you'd have a point, but we're just a rather popular fansite with our own independent governing body.

Quote originally posted by Gonzo:
Mature tag? Are you kidding me? As soon as you edit your age, you're eligible to view those threads. What are you going to do to verify they're actually younger? Ask for birth certificate? ID/Driving Licence photo? Those information are sensitive and people won't want to share them, obviously.
Verification has been stated as a non-issue beforehand (if you read Gavin's post).

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I've seen so many stupid ideas here, but this one beats them all combined.
Would you care to elaborate why it's "stupid"?

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This also make me question Andy as the right person to moderate General Chat. This thread should be deleted right of the bat, not because "another mod told me it's not OK". Pokecommunity is for Pokemon, sex sites are for sex.
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Quote originally posted by Gonzo:
This thread is so funny. Why people keep forgetting it's a Pokemon forum primarily? The target of the franchise won't really be interested and can actually be scared by this kind of content here. Not mentioning their parents not being happy with where they children spend time on the Internet.

Mature tag? Are you kidding me? As soon as you edit your age, you're eligible to view those threads. What are you going to do to verify they're actually younger? Ask for birth certificate? ID/Driving Licence photo? Those information are sensitive and people won't want to share them, obviously.

I've seen so many stupid ideas here, but this one beats them all combined. This also make me question Andy as the right person to moderate General Chat. This thread should be deleted right of the bat, not because "another mod told me it's not OK". Pokecommunity is for Pokemon, sex sites are for sex.
Yes, all they have to do is PM there prey and wala! They are exchanging pictures and god knows what else.
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Old June 24th, 2014 (01:47 PM).
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Yes, all they have to do is PM there prey and wala! They are exchanging pictures and god knows what else.
I'm beginning to not even be able to tell of you're being serious or not. Do you really think any sort of activity would even be allowed to start?!

The [Mature] tag with all the moderation and toggles is a great idea, just to be back on topic.
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I am not going to lie, I have not read the entire topic (the first and final page), because it just seems to be people repeating each other or ♥♥♥♥♥ing about who should be a mod. From what I've seen, I love the idea of a [MATURE] topic setting that you have to be a certain age to access. I do like discussing things that are child friendly, don't get me wrong, but sometimes I have a question that is really mature, or want a bit of adult discussion. That's just me, but I have been on forums before where we've all had a good laugh over an adult discussion. Furthermore, some debates are for more adult people. A [MATURE] tag will go a very long way, I can tell. As somebody (I think it was Mario) said before, if children want to change their age to view this content then that's cool, because it is their choice. They will not stumble across something by accident that will scar them for life. And if they are scarred by content from a [MATURE] tagged thread after they themselves changed their settings? Well, then they'll learn not to change settings for things they cannot handle, won't they?

Now, obviously with great [MATURE] tags comes great responsibility. There needs to be rules, or else anything could be posted (I'm talking links to pornography, gifs of men running around flapping their penises about and pictures of cats- you get the point). Staying loosely on topic maybe essential for this rule, otherwise you could end up on any discussion.

Ultimately, I think there needs to be a trial for the [MATURE] tags. As much as I love chaos and anarchy and all things adult (other than tentacle pornography; that stuff's too much), I do understand that this is a forum that has a respectable reputation to maintain, unlike some other dodgy backstreet forums. If the [MATURE] tag is being abused, then it maybe best to abolish it and keep the forum at the child friendly state at which it's at now.

On the topic of mature things, can be please have an option to rid us of the censors. They drive me insane (swearing is apart of my language, in which I use it to emphasis some things of just make them humorous).
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