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Old July 25th, 2013 (11:41 AM).
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In the "Fifth Generation Gaming" section, there is a thread talking about the Pseudo starters of Gen. 5, meaning the Pan/Simi families, and asking people's opinions. So, what I wanted to know is, who wants this to return?

Did you like their design?
Did you like the concepet of Pseudo starters but not the design?
Did you like/dislike that they were monkeys and would've prefered something else?
If they were to return, what species would you like to see them come back as? OR, would you like them all to be a different species?
What types would you want them to be?

Personally, I loved the Pseudo starter concept but wish that they had been a little better designed. I really hope that they return with X/Y and I'd like to see them come back as better designed monkeys with the types of Dark, Psychic, and Fighting. But, what about you guys?
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Old July 25th, 2013 (11:57 AM).
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I love the idea of Pseudo Starters, however I hated the designs of all 3 and their evolutions with the striking exception of Simisage (whom I have now tenderly raised to LVL. 100). I would much prefer it if they spent a little bit longer on the designs, although obviously not too much, as we don't want them to eclipse the actual starters. I'm not a big fan of the monkey pokemon template either.

Fighting/Dark/Psychic Pseudo Starters would be interesting, but I feel it's less likely to happen now that Fletchling's evolution is Fire/Flying. Kind've annoying because I want to start with Fennekin and use Fletchling. If they're typing the regional bird as fire, I reckon they'll have an unrelated Water type, Grass type + maybe Electric type (Helioptile) available very early in the game; rather than have Pseudo Legendaries.
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Old July 25th, 2013 (08:44 PM).
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Only thing I hated is they require a stone to evolve and like many stone evolution they don't really get much moves.
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I liked them a lot. Their appearance and everything.
Wish they would have allowed it so that you could have a starter of all three elemental types though. Thus meaning a second trio of pseudo starters.
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I'd like to see something similar to the monkeys, but having a non-starter Grass, Water and Fire Pokemon available early is close enough.
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actually and it may be fun, getting them after the third or fourth badge and having them be dolphins!

because we still have no canonical pokemon dolphin yet.
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i like alot the idea, but i really hate the monkeys....
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Loved the idea but simisear and simipour design were a little undesirable simisage was cool do hope they do psuedos again but I doubt it
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I don't think that the Pseudo Starters will return for this generation. They were exclusive to Generation V because they only served one purpose: To battle in the first gym with a type advantage against the Pokemon you chose. As the first gym of this generation is not a Trio gym, it's very unlikely that there will be three more pseudo starters. I think that Fletching could be described as a 'pseudo Pokemon' because they have the type advantage against bug.
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Old July 29th, 2013 (09:11 AM). Edited July 29th, 2013 by Actor.
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Did you like their design?

Uh, no. They looked like something out of Dora the Explorer.

Did you like the concepet of Pseudo starters but not the design?

They're a cute enough concept I guess. Mabye something for very late in the game though.

Did you like/dislike that they were monkeys and would've preferred something else?

I felt choosing them to be monkeys felt redundant due to one of the types already having a chimp pokémon (chimchar) line.

If they were to return, what species would you like to see them come back as? OR, would you like them all to be a different species?

I would actually like to see them being the same kind of species. Maybe three kinds of dog breeds (e.g Chihuahua, Poodle, Pug) or maybe birds?

What types would you want them to be?

Dark, Psychic and Fighting please.
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I like the idea quite a bit, but I absolutely cannot stand the designs of the Pan/Sage lines. They just look really bizarre to me.

I would love to see some sort of rodent pseudo-line.
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Hey guys, I'm gonna leave this thread here, but please have the discussion go towards the possibility of a new pseudo-starter group. Feel free to discuss the Fifth Generation trio here. If we can keep to that topic we'll be fine, otherwise I'll have to close this :c

As for a new pseudo-starter group, I'd be okay with that, but I wouldn't really want more monkeys personally. Honestly, if it were to happen, it'd probably just be another trio of monkeys that would come out, but the types might not necessarily have to be a triangle (which would defeat the purpose of being pseudo-starters). So maybe we'll just get more monkeys, but not another pseudo-starter group. I'd much prefer a new grouping of dual-typed creatures that could keep the water/fire/grass triangle going with secondary types, otherwise I'll pass.
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Can't say that I'm too keen on the idea of having psuedo-starters. For one, I'm the type of person that usually boxes their main starter after they complete the main storyline, so having a psuedo wouldn't really make that much of a difference. In fact, when I received Panpour last gen, I've only used it so far as the Pokemon league (mainly as an HM slave), and then just kind of boxed it afterwards.

In short, it wouldn't make a huge impact on me whether or not the concept of psuedo-starters were reintroduced this generation, but it would at least help somewhat to have some more useful Pokemon for selection, I suppose.
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This generation will have old pokemon in their regional dexes. They could just as easily throw in things like Growlithe and Psyduck at the beginning of story mode, without the need to include basic fire/water/grass pokemon for both you and CPUs to have.
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Honestly, I don't think much of them at all.

If they're in this game, that's ok, I'll be boxing it right away though, cause 1. I just think they suck in battle. And 2. this region doesn't seem at all to be limited with it's types like past gens, even if it is, I've got a speed boost torchic for a fire type.
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Old August 22nd, 2013 (02:48 PM).
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Please noooooo. The concept is fine whatever... but the actual designs were horrible. I hate monkeys with all my heart and on top of that their designs were just guhguhdfjsk so bad.

So yeah if they want to do it again... sure, but some other species besides primates would be great. I really don't even care if its the same three types. Just no monkeys thanks.
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I feel as if the concept of pseudo-starters has a list of both pros and cons. On the one hand, being able to attain pokémon of useful types to your team (rather than just the NORMAL NORMAL ooh a bug NORMAL NORMAL spam we usually get) so early in the game is great, and it's quite "neat" to be able to have an alternative to starters if you're that way inclined.

The main flaw in the concept I see is that a ready-made alternative to your starter or pokémon to brainlessly cover your choice of starter's weakness feels a bit dumbed down, making team-building in the early game a whole lot easier. The monkeys of generation 5 had a lot of problems outside of the concept behind them, but I won't get into that.

All in all, I am not overly fussed about the pseudo-starters. If they make a return in X&Y and they're better designed than BW's attempt, I'll be fine with their inclusion. They're in no way necessary to the games, though.
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I'd be up for pseudo starters to make a return, but I wouldn't want the monkeys or anything similar like that. I wasn't a huge fan of them, but having the pseudo starter really helped early on in the game. If they were to take this approach, personally I'd want them to be different and unique, just like the starters themselves. Obviously make them with lower BST so they don't become more powerful than the starters themselves, but mix things up. Give the trio different stat arrangements, make them look different, overall just make them serve different purposes rather than mirroring each other like the monkeys did.
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I like the monkeys but I'll rather have them make another set of pseudo starters, this time based on time. Like a elder looking fire Pokémon, a baby looking grass Pokémon, and a water pokemon that looks like it's in it's not too old or too young, they don't necessary have to be humanoid to look the part either.
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Now that we know that the Kanto starters will be available, where we can potentially choose it based to compliment our Kalos starter's type, I think it's a safe bet to say there won't be any pseudo-starters.
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The monkey's were a great idea, but completely botched.

They're meant to be the three wise monkey's - see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil.

Pansage is supposed to be 'speak no evil'.
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Pansear is supposed to be 'hear no evil'.
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Panpour is supposed to be 'see no evil'.
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I think they could have done a far better job designing them, and their evolutions, around the three wise monkeys. Like literally removing pansage's mouth, pansear's ears and panpour's eyes. And keep their evolutions consistent with the wise monkeys theme.

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I'd be for more "psuedo-starters". As long as they're designed better than the monkeys and their evolutions stay consistent with their theme.

Here are some themes they could use for the psuedo-starters.

Three blind mice. (Nursery rhyme)
Three little pigs. (English folktale)
Three wise men. (Catholic mythology)
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Did you like their design?

It felt like Donkykong made an appearance in an anime style.

Did you like the concepet of Pseudo starters but not the design?

They aren't as bad as everyone says but they're clearly not what everyone desires for,
I liked the overall idea but I doubt we'd see them again.

Did you like/dislike that they were monkeys and would've preferred something else?

To much monkey designs can be quite annoying. I guess it's a nice change for not having Mankey and Primeape in Generation V?

If they were to return, what species would you like to see them come back as? OR, would you like them all to be a different species?

Different species of course, Gamefreak bringing back Generation I starters was already horrible enough. I'd like to see Demonic species like, Nyarlathotep, Azathoth and Cthulhu.

What types would you want them to be?

Psychic/Ghost, Dark/Ghost, Poison/Ghost, perhaps? I don't know. A dual-typing that stands out.
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