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Ivysaur

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I can't believe Villarreal got relegated.

Even with Rossi and Nilmar out most of the season, it seems so odd.

This is the goal that sent them down, in Vallecas, Madrid. Min 92. Scored by Tamudo, the guy standing right beside the keeper.

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Despite being right on line for relegation in case Villarreal scored as well, Granada refused to kick off after conceding the goal and just played 1-2 in the circle until the ref got bored and called fulltime XD Villarreal are not exactly amused.

But it's definitely weird, although they only have themselves and the ridiculous amount of goals conceded in the last 10 minutes to blame (including one yesterday, for like a total of 6 matches).
 
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Ouch, this has got to be painful to hear.

"If all that I was interested in was money, the easiest decision would have been to stay at Arsenal, picking up my money every week and walking into the team." - Nasri

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11661/7758035/

He has got to be pretty hated more now. Seems that two players are getting bigger heads now, Nasri and Tevez. Surprised Mario hasn't said anything to rub it in peoples faces yet.​
 

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None of this is looking too good on City. They come out of nowhere, buy their way to the top, and then their own players make them look awful. My upmost sympathy to real City supporters.
 
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It is just really frustrating because all the fans are gloating and they did well, yes, but it isn't like they beat us my loads of point, we were both the same! XD​
 

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They'll get over it soon enough when they realise how stupid they look right now lol. Shame it's the players as much as it is the fans... /tevez
 
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City's only respectable striker since they became rich has been Aguero. They have all either been forced out, had their careers ruined by the club or been a complete nutjob.

Robinho - Basically signed just to say "we are rich". Ended up being forced out after City bought a ridiculous amount of strikers.
Santa Cruz - One of the best striker in the league, bought as a backup then given no chance after Hughes left.
Adebayor - Another brilliant striker who has proven his ability with more than a goal every two games at Spurs this season. Pushed out for Dzeko, Balotelli and Tevez.
Bellamy - Okay fair enough this seemed like a bad signing, but he became a very useful player for them before also being pushed our for Dzeko, Balotelli, Tevez and the many wingers signed.
Tevez - United fans already hated him, but he soon gave the City fans good reason too by refusing to appear against Bayern. Mancini backed down and let him back in, the fans accepted him again which shows how fickle they are.
Balotelli - Where do I start? So many incidents. But once again, Mancini and the fans back down.
Dzeko - Demoted to being a mere backup striker after being a promising striker in the Bundesliga.

The worst thing is all of these strikers are still at the club apart from Bellamy and Robinho.

I think Hughes would have delivered the title with a lot less controversy.
 
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I agree.
It is crazy how much money was thrown at the club. Someone will be buying Wigan next and spending billions of pounds on them and they will become the new Man City, because that is how you win a league, apparently.​
 

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I agree.
It is crazy how much money was thrown at the club. Someone will be buying Wigan next and spending billions of pounds on them and they will become the new Man City, because that is how you win a league, apparently.​
Forgive my ignorance but, as someone who doesn't really watch or follow football or its inner-workings, why is this shocking or bad? Surely the teams with the most money have always done better than those teams who have less money... right? ('Cause of the ability to buy better players and managerial staff.) So, why is there such scorn at Manchester City for committing the 'crime' of having craploads of cash?
 
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Yes, big clubs have more money so they can spend it on better players, always apart of the game. The problem with the whole City incident is they, pretty much, bought a brand new team, which is VERY unfair.

You can turn it around and say that big clubs like Manchester and London teams have more money than smaller teams, so it is unfair, but you aren't meant to buy a new team in one go. It is all about progression, working with them and not just replacing them when they have a bad game with someone completely different.

I didn't like it when Chelsea did it and I don't like it now City have done it.​
 
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Big clubs in the past had the money because they'd built the club up to earn such money through merchandising, selling their developed players etc.

It's funny how CF regarded to it as buying a whole new team because the new, rich Cardiff owners literally tried to make them a new team.
 

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There is a difference between becoming rich because your team is successful, you raise and sell great players earning money on the way, you get a lot of fans crowding the stadium every week, etc; and being bought by a billionaire with lots of free time and money to waste. It's the difference between an anonymous guy creating Facebook and Google buying FB staff to create Google+.

United, Bayern or Barça have raised a lot of players from nothingness into world-class. City or Chelsea are just hiring those players with the endless cash falling from their pockets.
 

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Regardless of how City was 'made', I am glad they won the title. They fully deserve it; they play the best football, have the best attack, the best defense. I hope they do some damage in the Champions League next year because they can challenge big teams.

As for the debate concerning the financial power of City, I am not so much against it. They did what Madrid (Ronaldo, Ozil, Benzema...), Barcelona (Eto, Ibra, Sanchez, Alves...), or any big team have done in a shorter span. Instead of spending millions in an interval of 10+ years, they did in 3-4 years. It would be reasonable to argue that they would keep spending millions each year, but, seeing the strength of their team at the moment, I doubt they will. They would probably sign a player or two each year, like all teams do and limit their spending. The fact that people are seriously attacking City because of their money spreeing but disregarding Madrid's -- for example -- use of their large funds is a little unfair. Madrid, like City, and especially the last decade or less, aren't prospering their youth system but rather are spending it on foreign stars. It shouldn't be okay for Madrid because they are a bigger team than City. I just hope City is satisfied with what they have otherwise it would be a little unfair especially to teams like United who are always satisfied with their players and still manage to challenge for titles and Arsenal who are just too 'cheap' to spend. City basically built a team from scratch, true, but I guess this is the only way to challenge United for the title and presumably end their dominance. Liverpool is way far from challenging anymore, so it Arsenal.

Also, I'm betting Chelsea will probably spend a lot this Summer; 6th place -- despite being in the CL final -- isn't appealing to their owner. Same goes for Liverpool.
 
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Yeah, it was a horrible way to win the trophy.

Oddly enough Bayern tried it for five minutes after they scored and got punished as much as Chelsea in eighty minutes.

Worst season for Chelsea to win it too, but oh well.
 

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Some of my favourite comments during the match were "Bayern are being really unChelsea tonight" and "Di Matteo should become a professional Casino player, he's quickly amass millions".

But hey, notice a pattern in CL winners these years?
2009: Barça after beating MU
2010: Inter after beating Barça and Bayern with a ridiculously defensive setup
2011: Barça after beating MU
2012: Chelsea after beating Barça and Bayern with a ridiculously defensive setup
 
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How exactly were they supposed to stop a team like Barcelona whose style of play involves keeping the ball as much as possible and constantly attacking or Bayern who play wide and create infinite chances in a game? They defended, like I'm positive many teams would have done. They played against two of the best attacking teams, knowing they themselves aren't that much when they attack; an inconsistent striker in Torres and an aging, one-chance player in Drogba. It's called tactics; I don't know why people are that much criticizing a TACTIC. Not the most appealing, but hey, it worked, right? They defend with as much as possible and wait for a chance to counter or make use of their -- albeit limited -- set pieces [which they scored from]. Besides, they only defended against those two teams -- and to an extent, Benfica in the second leg -- and people are generalizing that they always 'park the buss'.

But they got lucky. Bayern have only themselves to blame [and Gomez and Robben]. Clear chances went to waste and they couldn't exploit the absence of 4 starting players from Chelsea, two out-of-form CBs, a penalty, and the penalty shootout which Bayern are usually experts in. Add to that playing on their home ground. The way I see it, everything was against Chelsea and for Bayern.
 
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I don't blame them for it, I mean it worked and they won. It was still a hell of a lot more entertaining than Barca passing us all into a deep coma last year. They simply played how any weaker team would've and got away with it because Gomez had an off night.

Chelsea going to need some rebuilding next season anyway, another year clocks on for the old players and it looks like Drogba & Torres will soon be leaving. Finishing 6th in the first place is a cause for concern.
 

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And so, for the ages, the 2011-2012 Athletic Bilbao team will be remembered as "that group of people who played very well and had wonderful matches against United and Schalke and then lost their two finals with a really pathetic display". Two 0-3 conceding two goals before the 23rd minute in each (last night, Barcelona had even scored the third one in the 24th already, we had to wait until the 87th for it) don't really speak very well about them. They are a very young team and they can improve greatly as this was just their first real chance to win anything, but such a failure at the end of a really promising season might hit them hard :\
 
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