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skyburial

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Excadrill @ Life Orb
Ability: Sand Rush
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Earthquake
- Rock Slide
- Iron Head
- Rapid Spin

252 Atk Tyrantrum Head Smash vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Excadrill: 87-103 (24 - 28.5%) -- 97.2% chance to 4HKO

Even without sand up, Excadrill can take 2 of these and hit back with:

252+ Atk Life Orb Excadrill Iron Head vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Tyrantrum: 330-393 (107.8 - 128.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO

or

252+ Atk Life Orb Excadrill Earthquake vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Tyrantrum: 416-491 (135.9 - 160.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO

<3
 

Master Kavar

Where beginnings are
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Greninja@ expert belt
Nature : hasty
Surf
Power up punch
Dark pulse
Ice beam
Evs speed 252 attack 252 sp attack 6
Greninja speed will wipe it out with surf or ice beam
 
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Azumarill @Assault Vest

Ability: Huge Power
88 HP / 252 Atk / 164 / Speed
Adamant nature

Aqua Jet
Play Rough
Waterfall
Knock Off

Resists all possible attacks from ninja and all will do 13% or less damage before being hit and taking 96.8 - 114% from Play Rough, should it survive, Aqua jet will KO before it can attack again.
 

PlatinumDude

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Greninja@ expert belt
Nature : hasty
Surf
Power up punch
Dark pulse
Ice beam
Evs speed 252 attack 252 sp attack 6
Greninja speed will wipe it out with surf or ice beam

Greninja is an Uber. And if Greninja wasn' t even an Uber in the first place, it's not a counter to Excadrill, as it can't switch into Earthquake. Even then, I hope you realize that Power-Up Punch is a bad option on it, and it gained better coverage options in OR/AS in Gunk Shot and Low Kick; even then, Hydro Pump (or Surf) still is enough to do Excadrill in.

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Azumarill @Assault Vest

Ability: Huge Power
88 HP / 252 Atk / 164 / Speed
Adamant nature

Aqua Jet
Play Rough
Waterfall
Knock Off

Resists all possible attacks from ninja and all will do 13% or less damage before being hit and taking 96.8 - 114% from Play Rough, should it survive, Aqua jet will KO before it can attack again.
Azumarill runs significantly more HP investment to really make use of Assault Vest: 240 HP/252 Atk/16 SDef.

Anyway:

Mega Venusaur:
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-Giga Drain
-Sludge Bomb
-Knock Off
-Synthesis
Nature: Bold
EVs: 248 HP/96 Def/144 SDef/20 Spe
Item: Venusaurite

Both of Venusaur's STABs hit Azumarill hard, and as a Mega Pokemon, doesn't care much about Knock Off.
 

Neo_Angelo

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My counter to Mega Venosaur:

Weezing
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Item: Black Sludge
Nature: Calm
Ability: Levitate
252 HP - 130 DEF - 126 Spec Def

Moves: Pain split,Sludge Bomb, Stockpile, Will-O-Wisp


Mega Venosaur:

0 SpA Mega Venusaur Giga Drain vs. 252 HP / 126+ SpD Weezing: 50-59 (14.9 - 17.6%) -- possible 9HKO after Black Sludge recovery
0 SpA Mega Venusaur Sludge Bomb vs. 252 HP / 126+ SpD Weezing: 60-71 (17.9 - 21.2%) -- possible 7HKO after Black Sludge recovery
0- Atk Mega Venusaur Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 252 HP / 130 Def Weezing: 49-58 (14.6 - 17.3%) -- possible 9HKO after Black Sludge recovery

After Burn:
0- Atk burned Mega Venusaur Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 252 HP / 126 Def Weezing: 24-29 (7.1 - 8.6%) -- possibly the worst move ever

After +1 stockpile:
0 SpA Mega Venusaur Sludge Bomb vs. +1 252 HP / 130+ SpD Weezing: 39-47 (11.6 - 14%) -- possibly the worst move ever
0 SpA Mega Venusaur Giga Drain vs. +1 252 HP / 130+ SpD Weezing: 33-39 (9.8 - 11.6%) -- possibly the worst move ever

Weezing:

0 SpA Weezing Venoshock vs. 248 HP / 144 SpD Mega Venusaur: 64-76 (17.6 - 20.9%) -- possible 5HKO
0 SpA Weezing Sludge Bomb vs. 248 HP / 144 SpD Mega Venusaur: 64-76 (17.6 - 20.9%) -- guaranteed 4HKO after burn damage

Stockpile would take venosaur even longer to do anything, plus Giga drain would become useless. Will-O-Wisp for stalling
 
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Heatran @Leftovers
12 HP/ 252 Sp. Atk / 244 Speed
Timid nature

Flash cannon
Lava plume
Taunt
Earth power

Taunt will lock it into Sludge bomb, taking no damage while it spams Lava plume for some sizable damage and burn chance.

252 SpA Heatran Lava Plume vs. 252 HP / 126+ SpD Weezing: 136-162 (40.7 - 48.5%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Black Sludge recovery
 
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Neo_Angelo

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Counter for Heatran:

Poliwrath:
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Item: Sea Incense
Nature: Jolly
Ability: Swift Swim
252 Speed - 128 HP - 132 Attack

Waterfall - Earthquake - Brick Break - Rain dance

Heatran Vs Poliwrath:
252 SpA Heatran Lava Plume vs. 128 HP / 4 SpD Poliwrath in Rain: 35-42 (9.9 - 11.8%) -- possible 9HKO
252 SpA Heatran Earth Power vs. 128 HP / 4 SpD Poliwrath: 107-127 (30.3 - 35.9%) -- 44.5% chance to 3HKO
252 SpA Heatran Flash Cannon vs. 128 HP / 4 SpD Poliwrath: 72-84 (20.3 - 23.7%) -- guaranteed 5HKO

Poliwrath Vs Heatran (No Rain Dance):
132 Atk Poliwrath Earthquake vs. 12 HP / 0 Def Heatran: 300-356 (92 - 109.2%) -- 50% chance to OHKO
132 Atk Sea Incense Poliwrath Waterfall vs. 12 HP / 0 Def Heatran: 218-258 (66.8 - 79.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
132 Atk Poliwrath Brick Break vs. 12 HP / 0 Def Heatran: 168-200 (51.5 - 61.3%) -- 94.5% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

(With Rain dance):
132 Atk Sea Incense Poliwrath Waterfall vs. 12 HP / 0 Def Heatran in Rain: 326-386 (100 - 118.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO
132 Atk Poliwrath Earthquake vs. 12 HP / 0 Def Heatran: 300-356 (92 - 109.2%) -- 50% chance to OHKO
132 Atk Poliwrath Brick Break vs. 12 HP / 0 Def Heatran: 168-200 (51.5 - 61.3%) -- 94.5% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

Even on swap in and rain set up Poli will win as swift swim will make him outspeed heatram meaning he'd lose the possible 3rd hit chance to KO.
 

Nah

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Breloom @ Focus Sash
Ability: Technician
EVs: 252 Atk/4 Def/252 Spe
-Bullet Seed
-Rock Tomb
-Mach Punch
-Spore

132 Atk Poliwrath Brick Break vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Breloom: 106-126 (40.6 - 48.2%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

If Bullet Seed strikes 3+ times, Breloom KOs Poliwrath. But if it only fires off 2 rounds, Mach Punch still does enough to finish off Poliwrath first:

252 Atk Technician Breloom Bullet Seed (3 hits) vs. 128 HP / 0 Def Poliwrath: 384-456 (108.7 - 129.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO

252 Atk Technician Breloom Bullet Seed (2 hits) vs. 128 HP / 0 Def Poliwrath: 256-304 (72.5 - 86.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 Atk Technician Breloom Mach Punch vs. 128 HP / 0 Def Poliwrath: 103-123 (29.1 - 34.8%)
 

Master Kavar

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Camrupt @ camruptite
Ability : anger point
Nature : sassy
Moves earthquake, lavaplume, curse, yawn
EVs: sp.attk 252 / sp.def 252 / def 6
 

PlatinumDude

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Camrupt @ camruptite
Ability : anger point
Nature : sassy
Moves earthquake, lavaplume, curse, yawn
EVs: sp.attk 252 / sp.def 252 / def 6

Anger Point is useless on Camerupt, regardless of whether it's Mega or not. Its frailty in base form means virtually every critical hit can fell it. Solid Rock is still the preferred ability to take the occasional weak super effective hit. When Camerupt Mega Evolves, it gains Sheer Force, which disables Lava Plume's burn chance. And what's the point of having Sheer Force when your moves don't really do well with it? Earthquake doesn't benefit from it at all, while Lava Plume is mainly used to burn things. Fire Blast is the stronger Fire STAB, while Earth Power is the Ground STAB that just so happens to benefit from Sheer Force.

Anyway:
Flygon
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-Earthquake
-Outrage
-U-turn
-Sleep Talk
Nature: Adamant
EVs: 252 Atk/4 Def/252 Spe
Item: Choice Scarf

Flygon walls Camerupt completely and won't get burned by Sheer Force Lava Plume.
 

Master Kavar

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Ok I'll try this then
Lol
articuno @ choice specs
Ability : snowcloak
Nature : mild
Moves : hail/ ice beam/ protect / hurricane
EVs : sp.attk 247/speed 252 / attack 11
 

PlatinumDude

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Ok I'll try this then
Lol
articuno @ choice specs
Ability : snowcloak
Nature : mild
Moves : hail/ ice beam/ protect / hurricane
EVs : sp.attk 247/speed 252 / attack 11

Not a counter, since Articuno can't switch into Outrage. Flygon still outspeeds Articuno and nukes it with Outrage anyway if Articuno switched into the first Outrage. And why are you even using Choice items on stuff that uses support moves? Choice items leave the user stuck on the last move it used until it switches. Manual hail is bad because Snow Warning (which sets hail upon entering battle) outclasses it.

Metagross:
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-Meteor Mash
-Zen Headbutt
-Ice Punch
-Hammer Arm
Nature: Jolly
EVs: 252 Atk/4 Def/252 Spe
Item: Metagrossite
Ability: Clear Body

I'm sure everyone here knows what Metagross can do to Articuno: resist its STABs and KO back with Meteor Mash.
 
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Scizor @ Scizorite
Ability: Light Metal
EVs: 248 HP / 84 Def / 176 SpD
Impish Nature
- Swords Dance
- Roost
- Bullet Punch
- Knock Off

Meta is nothing but setup bait for it.
 

Nah

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Houndoom-Mega @Houndoomite
Ability: Solar Power
EVs: 252 SpA/252 Spe/4 Def
Timid Nature
-Fire Blast
-Dark Pulse
-Nasty Plot
-Sludge Bomb

+2 4 Atk Technician Mega Scizor Bullet Punch vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Mega Houndoom: 100-118 (34.3 - 40.5%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

And then Fire Blast.
 
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Goodra @ Assault Vest
Ability: Sap Sipper
EVs: 240 HP / 252 SpA / 16 Spe
Modest Nature
- Draco Meteor / Dragon Pulse
- Fire Blast
- Sludge Bomb/ Thunderbolt
- Earthquake/ Muddy Water

+2 252 SpA Mega Houndoom Dark Pulse vs. 240 HP / 0 SpD Assault Vest Goodra: 130-154 (34.1 - 40.4%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

Then proceed with Earthquake or Muddy Water 2 Times.
 
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