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Old June 24th, 2012 (10:08 PM).
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Grass Team
My task was to have Grass types fill 4/6 places on my team. I added four OU capable grass types.
Sceptile, Roserade, Breloom and Ferrothorn
Then, I thought about a pokemon that could help this team out. I needed something that could give my pokemon a boost, or at least 1 or 2 of them. I added this girl.
Ninetales
Finally, I added in a pokemon that had great power and diversity, and is one of my favourite pokemon to boot.
Hydreigon

Ninetales @ Air Balloon
Trait: Drought
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Fire Blast
- Solarbeam
- Nasty Plot
- HP Ice
This pokemon's main job is to get the sun up. Once that's done, she can do what she likes, really. Nasty Plot will give her a nice SAtk boost, which she can then go for a move that would go best. Like a super effective move.

Hydreigon @ Choice Specs
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Focus Blast
- Draco Meteor
- Fire Blast
- Dark Pulse
Hydreigon bosses everything by using it's super-high SAtk. Focus Blast covers 5 different types, Fire Blast covers Grass and Bug as well as the Ice and Steel that was mentioned before. But Fire Blast is a better choice in the sun. I might consider running a Mixed set on this, as it would provide me with a Flying-type move to counter Fighting.

Sceptile @ Focus Sash
Trait: Overgrow
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Solarbeam
- Dragon Pulse
- Focus Blast
- Substitute
I'll deal with the item first. Focus Sash is there so I can get at least two strong attacks in, for example, a Hydreigon is out, and I send in my Sceptile after the previous pokemon has been fainted. Chances are, it will have Flamethrower or Fire Blast. Also, as long as it isn't scarf'd Sceptile will be faster than it. I use Dragon Pulse, and it uses the fire move, and I'm hanging on with 1 hp, (probably) so I can then get in another hit. Simple. Solarbeam doesn't need a charge up turn when we're in the sun, so that's Sceptile's STAB coverage. Dragon Pulse hits those annoying Dragons that are almost always flying around in OU. Focus Blast then has the luxury of taking out Rock pokemon, Ice types, Normal types, Dark types as well as Steel types. I don't know what else I'd put in Substitute's spot.

Roserade @ Leftovers
Trait: Poison Point
EVs: 252 SAtk / 4 SDef / 252 Spd
Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Weather Ball
- Sleep Powder
- Petal Dance
- Leech Seed
This pokemon's mission is to annoy the opponent. First it's knocked out by powder emanated from Roserade's roses. While it's asleep, its health will be sapped by vines wrapped around the opponent, which also heals Roserade, finishing with a wonderful dance of petals. You may also decide to throw a fireball at the opponent instead, which is brought on by the sun. When the next opponent comes out, repeat. And if the opponent wakes up while doing this, and launches a physical attack, it may well end up poisoned, thanks to Roserade's ability, Poison Point.

Breloom @ Toxic Orb
Trait: Poison Heal
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Spore
- Seed Bomb
- Focus Punch
- Leech Seed
This pokemon is like a physical version of the above Roserade, only somewhat better IMO. First, you are required to send the opponent to sleep using Spore, and use the following turn to either attack it or Leech Seed it. After the Leech Seed is healing Breloom as well as the poison healing him, he will be quite hard to handle. That is, unless you're going against Gliscor. That would be a horrible check for Breloom.

Ferrothorn @ Rocky Helmet
Trait: Iron Barbs
EVs: 128 Atk / 252 Def / 124 SDef
- Stealth Rocks
- Gyro Ball
- Power Whip
- Curse
Straightfoward set - Use Stealth Rocks, curse a few times, then beat the heck out of the opponent with Gyro Ball. With the lovely added effect of if an opponent decides to use a physical move on you, it takes damage. WARNING: DO NOT USE NEAR FIRE. BURNS EASILY.

Other possible team members
Politoed, as Grass types can do well in the rain. It also provides some resistance to fire.
Toxicroak, to be used in Rain as replacement to Hydreigon.
Venusaur, Chlorophyll would make this lumbering dinosaur rather nimble in the Sun.

Thanks everyone!
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Old June 24th, 2012 (10:24 PM).
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While Ninetales can set up sun for the team, it only makes things worse by enhancing the Fire weaknesses of most, if not all, your team members. Use Heatran instead; it synergizes well with Grass Pokemon:
-Fire Blast
-Earth Power
-Hidden Power (Ice/Grass)
-Stealth Rock
Nature: Modest/Timid
EVs: 252 SAtk/4 SDef/252 Spe
Item: Life Orb/Air Balloon

or
-Lava Plume
-Toxic/Will-o-Wisp
-Roar
-Protect
Nature: Calm
EVs: 248 HP/252 SDef/8 Spe
Item: Leftovers

Change Sceptile's set to this; it no longer needs SolarBeam because of the replacement of Ninetales:
-Leaf Storm
-Focus Blast/Earthquake
-Hidden Power (Ice/Fire)
-Dragon Pulse/Earthquake
Nature: Timid/Hasty
EVs: 4 HP/252 SAtk/252 Spe
Item: Life Orb
Ability: Overgrow

or
-Substitute
-Leech Seed
-Giga Drain
-Hidden Power (Fire)
Nature: Timid
EVs: 252 HP/28 SDef/232 Spe
Item: Leftovers
Ability: Overgrow

Since Stealth Rock is covered by Heatran and Spikes will be covered by Ferrothorn (more later), how about making Roserade more of a Toxic Spiker? Also, Poison Point needs luck to activate; Natural Cure is the superior ability to erase status upon leaving battle:
-Toxic Spikes
-Sleep Powder
-Leaf Storm/Grass Knot/Giga Drain
-Hidden Power (Fire/Ice)
Nature: Timid
EVs: 4 HP/252 SAtk/252 Spe
Item: Focus Sash/Life Orb
Ability: Natural Cure

You can consider Bulk Up, SubPunch or SubSeed on Breloom:
-Bulk Up
-Spore
-Seed Bomb
-Drain Punch
Nature: Careful
EVs: 236 HP/212 Def/60 Spe
Item: Toxic Orb
Ability: Poison Heal

or
-Spore
-Substitute
-Focus Punch
-Seed Bomb/Stone Edge/Facade
Nature: Adamant
EVs: 12 HP/244 Atk/252 Spe
Item: Toxic Orb
Ability: Poison Heal

or
-Spore
-Substitute
-Leech Seed
-Focus Punch
Nature: Adamant
EVs: 236 HP/56 Atk/216 Def
Item: Toxic Orb
Ability: Poison Heal

While Ferrothorn can use Curse somewhat effectively, it shouldn't be done without a recovery move. That, and its Fire and Fighting weaknesses somewhat hinder it, considering that 2/3rds of your team are weak to Fire. Use Leech Seed instead of Curse and Spikes instead of Stealth Rock (because Heatran already provides Stealth Rock). The EV spread of 252 HP/88 Def/168 SDef with a Relaxed nature should be used too for Ferrothorn to have balanced bulk.
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Old June 25th, 2012 (08:01 AM).
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Quote originally posted by PlatinumDude:
While Ninetales can set up sun for the team, it only makes things worse by enhancing the Fire weaknesses of most, if not all, your team members. Use Heatran instead; it synergizes well with Grass Pokemon:
-Fire Blast
-Earth Power
-Hidden Power (Ice/Grass)
-Stealth Rock
Nature: Modest/Timid
EVs: 252 SAtk/4 SDef/252 Spe
Item: Life Orb/Air Balloon

or
-Lava Plume
-Toxic/Will-o-Wisp
-Roar
-Protect
Nature: Calm
EVs: 248 HP/252 SDef/8 Spe
Item: Leftovers
Okay. I see what you're saying there, and I think I'll use the first set. I have too much experience against Heatran, after a 6 Sceptile vs 6 Heatran match. I came close but not close enough. So yeah, I know a bit about Heatran. Also, Air Balloon would probably be my choice.

Quote originally posted by PlatinumDude:
Change Sceptile's set to this; it no longer needs SolarBeam because of the replacement of Ninetales:
-Leaf Storm
-Focus Blast/Earthquake
-Hidden Power (Ice/Fire)
-Dragon Pulse/Earthquake
Nature: Timid/Hasty
EVs: 4 HP/252 SAtk/252 Spe
Item: Life Orb
Ability: Overgrow

or
-Substitute
-Leech Seed
-Giga Drain
-Hidden Power (Fire)
Nature: Timid
EVs: 252 HP/28 SDef/232 Spe
Item: Leftovers
Ability: Overgrow
I would probably go with the first set, but I kinda dislike using Leaf Storm, as SAtk hinderances are bad. Would Energy Ball be an acceptable replacement, do you think? Timid is my preferred nature there.

Quote originally posted by PlatinumDude:
Since Stealth Rock is covered by Heatran and Spikes will be covered by Ferrothorn (more later), how about making Roserade more of a Toxic Spiker? Also, Poison Point needs luck to activate; Natural Cure is the superior ability to erase status upon leaving battle:
-Toxic Spikes
-Sleep Powder
-Leaf Storm/Grass Knot/Giga Drain
-Hidden Power (Fire/Ice)
Nature: Timid
EVs: 4 HP/252 SAtk/252 Spe
Item: Focus Sash/Life Orb
Ability: Natural Cure
Yeah, I get the Poison Point / Natural Cure thing, but I don't switch much, so I thought PP would be better. Otherwise I think I'll keep Petal Dance, but get rid of Weather Ball for Toxic Spikes. Natural Cure is better in this situation I suppose.

Quote originally posted by PlatinumDude:
You can consider Bulk Up, SubPunch or SubSeed on Breloom:
-Bulk Up
-Spore
-Seed Bomb
-Drain Punch
Nature: Careful
EVs: 236 HP/212 Def/60 Spe
Item: Toxic Orb
Ability: Poison Heal

or
-Spore
-Substitute
-Focus Punch
-Seed Bomb/Stone Edge/Facade
Nature: Adamant
EVs: 12 HP/244 Atk/252 Spe
Item: Toxic Orb
Ability: Poison Heal
Less effective version of mine, as Spore works as the Sub. Seed Bomb is the attack if Spore doesn't work.

or
-Spore
-Substitute
-Leech Seed
-Focus Punch
Nature: Adamant
EVs: 236 HP/56 Atk/216 Def
Item: Toxic Orb
Ability: Poison Heal
I did consider Drain Punch, but I figured Focus Punch would work as well, coupled with Leech Seed and Poison Heal. I think I prefer my Breloom as it is.

Quote originally posted by PlatinumDude:
While Ferrothorn can use Curse somewhat effectively, it shouldn't be done without a recovery move. That, and its Fire and Fighting weaknesses somewhat hinder it, considering that 2/3rds of your team are weak to Fire. Use Leech Seed instead of Curse and Spikes instead of Stealth Rock (because Heatran already provides Stealth Rock). The EV spread of 252 HP/88 Def/168 SDef with a Relaxed nature should be used too for Ferrothorn to have balanced bulk.
okay.
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Old June 25th, 2012 (08:25 AM).
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Quote originally posted by pokemonpal7:
Okay. I see what you're saying there, and I think I'll use the first set. I have too much experience against Heatran, after a 6 Sceptile vs 6 Heatran match. I came close but not close enough. So yeah, I know a bit about Heatran. Also, Air Balloon would probably be my choice.


I would probably go with the first set, but I kinda dislike using Leaf Storm, as SAtk hinderances are bad. Would Energy Ball be an acceptable replacement, do you think? Timid is my preferred nature there.


Yeah, I get the Poison Point / Natural Cure thing, but I don't switch much, so I thought PP would be better. Otherwise I think I'll keep Petal Dance, but get rid of Weather Ball for Toxic Spikes. Natural Cure is better in this situation I suppose.


I did consider Drain Punch, but I figured Focus Punch would work as well, coupled with Leech Seed and Poison Heal. I think I prefer my Breloom as it is.


okay.
Giga Drain is used often nowadays because of the recovery. The slight decrease in power doesn't matter much.

Petal Dance may seem tempting, because it has the same BP as Outrage and Thrash, but you really shouldn't be using it because Grass has worse coverage than Dragon. If you KO something with Petal Dance, do you want a Fire, Bug or Steel Pokemon to come in and tank the rest of your Petal Dance attacks, then be confused after a turn or two? Stick with Giga Drain or Grass Knot.
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Old June 26th, 2012 (12:21 PM).
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Quote originally posted by PlatinumDude:
Giga Drain is used often nowadays because of the recovery. The slight decrease in power doesn't matter much.
I meant instead of Leaf Storm. Sp.Atk lowering can render it pretty useless, as it isn't very bulky. I think Energy Ball would be better, because I can combine it with Dragon Pulse, unlike Giga Drain which requires it to e learnt as a Treecko.
Quote originally posted by PlatinumDude:
Petal Dance may seem tempting, because it has the same BP as Outrage and Thrash, but you really shouldn't be using it because Grass has worse coverage than Dragon. If you KO something with Petal Dance, do you want a Fire, Bug or Steel Pokemon to come in and tank the rest of your Petal Dance attacks, then be confused after a turn or two? Stick with Giga Drain or Grass Knot.
yeah, good point. I think it will be Giga drain.
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Old June 26th, 2012 (12:53 PM).
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Keep Leaf Storm, its your most powerful move and lets you beat walls. Also you should switch out at -2 tbh lol and the funny thing is its still stronger than Energy Ball at -2 iirc.
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