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Man, when I watched their farewell scene in the dub, I was so excited when their hands lingered for just a bit longer after their handshake...I was about to put my arms up in jubilation, but I bent back a finger in the process...ouch >_>

I'm more of an Orangeshipper myself :B Misty's gotta be keeping her desires in check somehow.
=O I will have to watch this episode at some point. *is on-off when it comes to the anime* Their hands also lingered some back when they were splitting up in Hoenn/Kanto. *______* It was hand over hand, and Brock's was right over Ash's. And there was lingering.

I'm an accidental Neglectshipper. I didn't find any recurring character that I thought had enough chemistry with her personally impressive. ...I used to be a Todd/Misty shipper, though. I had to keep her clear of Ash for--at the time--Gary.

Okay, don't hate me for this, but I've also noticed a pattern in "shipping groups" and I've come to the conclusion that these groups are made for the sole purpose of driving everyone but Misty away from Ash. How many people do you know ship all of these?

*Pokeshipping
*Contestshipping
*Penguin/Ikarishipping
*Wishfulshipping
Which is natural. Ash certainly has more prospects than Misty, and all of Misty's prospects simply aren't threatening enough (Rudy, Danny, Georgio, Tracey) due to plot or divergence (Tracey's been shoved to Daisy and Oak enough that he can also be a Pair the Spare without bending canon backwards).

If you can't multi-ship characters, the next best thing it to clear the road. If it takes a lawnmower, they'll do it.
 

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Immature audiences "can't handle homosexuality" because their parents won't want to deal with having to explain it. Bottom line. If kids are fully equipped to handle the straight, they can certainly handle the gay. It's social stigma that says otherwise.

Advanceshippers have more to fear from Contestshipping than Pokeshipping, honestly. Pearl only has two, really: Penguin and HeatTag. If Conway hadn't been introduced after Kenny, I'd be damn convinced they were trying to make him a love interest....which would have been fascinating. A regular trainer who only interacts with the coordinator in non-Contest situations? It certainly would have been different from May and Drew's subplot. I might have even come to love it!

If you draw enough comparisons to the series itself, a lot of Negaishippers are going to say the relationship between Iris and Ash is a reboot of the one Misty and Ash had.

That said, we don't have a good handle on any of the three Unova 'ships. We won't know what comparisons to really draw until maybe another half year from now.

Man's gotta do what a man's gotta do~

So being this of the time that FFN was /the/ place to go for fics, naturally, I went there to see if I could find anything. I wasn't surprised to find so little, but I was shocked at the lack of acceptance by the fandom BFNs (if you could call them that). Reading reviews for anything different was like an icepick being jabbed in your stomach. It was so closed off.

Explains my upbringing. *eyeroll*

The more they were showing Dawn and Barry together, the more I was beginning to like that ship. I think they had good chemistry together. Beats Kenny anyday.

…except that Iris isn't bossy around Ash nor does she push him around. We haven't seen that 20 episodes in. But this is way early in the game so it could change.

I don't remember if in Sinnoh it was the same deal. It was already circling with Ash, then as new characters started appearing the ships started on them.

Aw, I'm gonna miss that line! Back in the days when Sinnoh started...

On a sidetone, they need to fix-up that site. Looks outdated. More accurate ratings and organization would help.

CommanderPigg said:
Nah, the Dawn ships seem to co-exist in relative harmony...except for some reason Pearl and Penguin during Kenny's last episode >_>

Man, when I watched their farewell scene in the dub, I was so excited when their hands lingered for just a bit longer after their handshake...I was about to put my arms up in jubilation, but I bent back a finger in the process...ouch >_>

Misty's gotta be keeping her desires in check somehow.

Well it was Kenny who screwed himself over and his ship. Maybe he'd have a chance if he kept his mouth shut and had some patience.

lol what, they did that like three times now? Why did this farewell feel so much more pronounced with the handshake than the other two? ;)

That makes Misty sound like a --.

I read AK47's entire post as something from a math textbook. Meaning, I was forced to skim over it. -_- No offense, AK, you're a smart guy.

Jorah said:
I don't think Ash will end up with anyone by the complete end of the whole series. For him to, he'd have to have a huge personality change, and the writers dislike any permanent character development for him, it seems. It's just about him and Pikachu now. All anyone can do is have fun looking at "hints". Ash is going to live a long and full life - as a 10 year old - with his Pikachu, and no one else.~

But once the franchise starts showing signs of weakness (and I predict by 2020) then the writers would be forced to rethink their strategy. I get this feeling with every new series there's this buildup. It will lead to something great that will unify all past adventures and show Ash's transcendence into what he is. Wishful thinking, he grows up in the climax.

AshPikastar said:
Exactly which makes things go a bit too out of hand sometimes when it comes to wanting something to happen the way you want it.

I still remember the Barry obsession over Paul Man I'm already missing DP.

And the moral of this story is don't read those cheesy, fluffy, Mary Sue/Marty Stu, overblown, disproportional, risque stories otherwise it will mind**** you and you won't be able to think straight for a few years. >_<

I will be missing D/P as well. It was a great series. Barry's one those at the top because he was entertaining all the time. Paul was the rival we should've had in Johto. Conway gets an honorable mention. Did I leave anyone else out besides Dawn's rivals?
 

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O_O Why the heck is math, of all things, involved? Reminds me so much of my probability math lessons, and I don't really like probability.

Don't know if this is discussed before, I found this ship called FlavescentShipping, and it's between Shooti (Trip is such a retarded name so I'm not calling him that) and Iris, apparently. OnO;;;
And then I saw that Trip's category is "Ships with Trip", aheheee /shot

And for some reason I'm starting to ship Dento/Iris (WishfulShipping) for some reason. *v* Their fanart is so cuteeeee <3
 

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Meh, I bet Cilan is only Metrosexual anyway.

I'm not a big fan of Wishful to be honest Azumi, but I agree they look cute together.

I miss my Ikarishipping... Is anyone else here an Ikari fan? :(

Aloe x Brock would be awsome. Every other girl he likes is always flat chested. xD
 

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Now I wonder what AK would think of Cilan/Iris. C:

Well, I was an Ikari fan until I started shipping Shinji/Paul with an OC I have. But I still like IkariShipping.
So yeah, I'm an Ikari fan.
 
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Aloe x Brock would be awsome. Every other girl he likes is always flat chested. xD
*Lucy's flat?* He doesn't touch married women, though, and since the group met the husband first, he would have realized, nope, can't flirt with.

I kind of wonder if he would even find her attractive. I don't think she's /that/ young. Early thirties, I'd want to say. I don't think we've ever had that kind of medium encounter for him before.
 

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And the moral of this story is don't read those cheesy, fluffy, Mary Sue/Marty Stu, overblown, disproportional, risque stories otherwise it will mind**** you and you won't be able to think straight for a few years. >_<

I will be missing D/P as well. It was a great series. Barry's one those at the top because he was entertaining all the time. Paul was the rival we should've had in Johto. Conway gets an honorable mention. Did I leave anyone else out besides Dawn's rivals?


Oh yeah my friend had read a fanfic before for Megaman and he was disturb. Oh yeah Barry was/Is my favorite character which is why I'm going to miss him. I don't think you missed anyone else although it feels like you did.

I miss Twinleafshipping; Barry and Dawn had a few good moments on there.

Lol Brock x Aloe would actually be funny.
 

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The entire process of the formation of that equation is flawed.

Total number of possibilities = 2

Probability of NegaiShipping = 1/2 = 50%
Probability of CafeMochaShipping = 1/2 = 50%

Now that should satisfy both of you. =D
You may now safely ignore this post.
Have you no mathematical education above Pre-Prealgebraic Arithmetic and probability? o_0


AK47: Why you have to put Math into all of this? The equation thing got me confused already XD.
As a man of Mathematics, I see math everywhere. I just barely decided to look at the mathematics of Shipping, which is a lot of interesting mixtures of logic and probability.

Proof it's taboo in Japan to show ickle gay to a young audience, or your equation means nothing because it's based on the wrong logic.

And still not seeing how you jump from "(N=M) + (N=/= M) = (N > M)". That N's greater than M looks more pulled out the butt, simply on the standing of the taboo logic, which is flawed.
Prove it's not a taboo and prove the writers don't consider a global audience, wilst the implications that the writers do consider globaility are the Multicultural aspects of Generation V and $$$$$. Prove otherwise those two points and we'll talk.

You haven't completely proven the flaw in the logic. And I said the only two possibilities are N and M cannot be compared, or N =/= M, depending on the legibility of N < Pe < A < Pk, which both disprove N = M.


To hell with all this actually. Why are we putting in maths into shipping?
That's a very good question... deal with it XD


I know right? I'm already getting a headache from it.
Spheal with it.
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O_O Why the heck is math, of all things, involved? Reminds me so much of my probability math lessons, and I don't really like probability.

Don't know if this is discussed before, I found this ship called FlavescentShipping, and it's between Shooti (Trip is such a retarded name so I'm not calling him that) and Iris, apparently. OnO;;;
And then I saw that Trip's category is "Ships with Trip", aheheee /shot

And for some reason I'm starting to ship Dento/Iris (WishfulShipping) for some reason. *v* Their fanart is so cuteeeee <3
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>__> Doesn't math make shipping more fun, though?

Doesn't sound convincing....

No

Now I wonder what AK would think of Cilan/Iris. C:

Purple and Green mix into a crapish dark color.

There you have it.
 

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*Lucy's flat?* He doesn't touch married women, though, and since the group met the husband first, he would have realized, nope, can't flirt with.

I kind of wonder if he would even find her attractive. I don't think she's /that/ young. Early thirties, I'd want to say. I don't think we've ever had that kind of medium encounter for him before.
Heh, consider me proven wrong. (The Lucy bit)
Heck, we should have more Lucy shippings..

Well, i'm sure the Aloe's boobs would be enough for Brock anyway.

/Working on a Cafémocha Vid. ;D
 
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Well, i'm sure the Aloe's boobs would be enough for Brock anyway.
Hers? Not covered up as they are. Shikimi's breasts, on the other hand...

Oh yeah my friend had read a fanfic before for Megaman and he was disturb.
Disturbed by what, exactly?

Prove it's not a taboo and prove the writers don't consider a global audience, wilst the implications that the writers do consider globaility are the Multicultural aspects of Generation V and $$$$$. Prove otherwise those two points and we'll talk.

You haven't completely proven the flaw in the logic. And I said the only two possibilities are N and M cannot be compared, or N =/= M, depending on the legibility of N < Pe < A < Pk, which both disprove N = M.
You're the one you has to prove it to make your equation viable. Otherwise, I can simply go M > N and say, "Because I say so," since it's based on as much assumption as you're putting into your math. Which makes your logic flawed.

You know, just saying. .... B > all, btw. Truth.
 

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As a man of Mathematics, I see math everywhere. I just barely decided to look at the mathematics of Shipping, which is a lot of interesting mixtures of logic and probability.

I never saw Math in shippings terms but now that I do my mind starts spinning. Man Math is every where even in Pokemon.

Spheal with it.

-hides inside a box-

>__> Doesn't math make shipping more fun, though?

I guess it does(Only if it's in easy basic math like 2 + 2 .-.)

Disturbed by what, exactly?

Well let's just say according to him it was very disturbing. That was the only detail that he gave me.
 
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Yeah, mathematics = y so serious?

Well let's just say according to him it was very disturbing. That was the only detail that he gave me.
That's no fun. Disturbing has way too much of a range. Disturbing could be anything from light Bass/Megaman fluff (simply because it's gay) to brutal rape of any character. ...Or genderbending mpreg. Or what I've written: Protoman/gijinka!Tango. It's hardly anything to go by in that fandom (any fandom). No possibility of prodding him for details? Or was it too long ago?

...What? I have other fandoms, too. *doe eyes*
 

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Heehee, it even converted a few people ;)

Well Yah it should, I mean even none Yaoi shippers admitted some thing about that sceneXD

Advancedk47 loves Math, that's why math is being used here though it doesn't help the future of ships cuz Pokemon isn't all about romance. Its about a guy and his Pikachu traveling around the world to be a Pokemon master. People ship for the heck of it, but only a few ships have sort of become canon at the end and not even really canon either. Lets look back shall we?

Contestshipping=The most canon thing we will ever see in this series, we don't even know if they ended up together or not.

Orangeshipping=People can argue or not but these two spend the most time together since Ash left them behind.

So there yah go. Oh yah and Oak and Ash's mom, I have no idea what her age is though LOL. So we can go on and on about what ships have 100 % possibilty of being canon, facts are till the series end we won't know. Even than, like some one said Ash could end up alone and just still travel, trying to be a Pokemon master wouldn't that be crazy? I'd actually rather him be an E4 when he's adult but whatever. So yes, Negaishipping has just as much as a chance as happing as CafeMochashipping. I ship both.
 

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You're the one you has to prove it to make your equation viable. Otherwise, I can simply go M > N and say, "Because I say so," since it's based on as much assumption as you're putting into your math. Which makes your logic flawed.

You know, just saying. .... B > all, btw. Truth.

Actually, P(aul)>All, assuming that Shinji's awesomeness equates to infinity :P

And anyways, there's yet another contradiction in your equation; mainly because of your defining postulate, which you stated:

Let's assume the argument that no or none of these two ships are possible, N=M=0. The only problem is that we never know the chances of a ship actually becoming canon. You are not a writer, and therefore you cannot claim a 0% chance on anything.

And thus, the rest of it should have been null and void; and technically ALL shippings should have an infinitesimal probability (approaching the limit 0, of course :P). And this is because!!:

Advancedk47 loves Math, that's why math is being used here though it doesn't help the future of ships cuz Pokemon isn't all about romance. Its about a guy and his Pikachu traveling around the world to be a Pokemon master. People ship for the heck of it, but only a few ships have sort of become canon at the end and not even really canon either. Lets look back shall we?

^^^THIS!

By the way, Pearlshipper4life (can I call you Ashfangirl22, since that's who I know you as best? XD) your post is the one that made the most sense in this entire thread *applauds*


Well, i'm sure the Aloe's boobs would be enough for Brock anyway.

/Working on a Cafémocha Vid. ;D

Forget her boobs! Her hips don't lie, man!

*subscribes*

That's no fun. Disturbing has way too much of a range. Disturbing could be anything from light Bass/Megaman fluff (simply because it's gay) to brutal rape of any character. ...Or genderbending mpreg. Or what I've written: Protoman/gijinka!Tango. It's hardly anything to go by in that fandom (any fandom).

Hetalia fandom: Hair...cumming. Need I say more?
And I swear, on google, I searched "May Pokemon" and I saw PORN of May x Missing no. My childhood was ruined.
 

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Well, i'm sure the Aloe's boobs would be enough for Brock anyway.

/Working on a Cafémocha Vid. ;D

-I have missed this quote-

I can defiantly see Brock going after Aloe boobs >.>

-Sweet I shall watch it soon-


That's no fun. Disturbing has way too much of a range. Disturbing could be anything from light Bass/Megaman fluff (simply because it's gay) to brutal rape of any character. ...Or genderbending mpreg. Or what I've written: Protoman/gijinka!Tango. It's hardly anything to go by in that fandom (any fandom). No possibility of prodding him for details? Or was it too long ago?

...What? I have other fandoms, too. *doe eyes*

-shrug- He didn't tell me much about it but I think it had something to deal with rape or something. He barely gave me much details on that.

Pokemon isn't all about romance. Its about a guy and his Pikachu traveling around the world to be a Pokemon master. People ship for the heck of it,

True that. It's all about Ash but making Pokemon shippings makes shipping more interesting.

Contestshipping=The most canon thing we will ever see in this series, we don't even know if they ended up together or not.

Which gets most Contestshippers wondering if they actually went out or something during their time in Johto. Who knows what they have been doing there.

I'd actually rather him be an E4 when he's adult but whatever. So yes, Negaishipping has just as much as a chance as happing as CafeMochashipping. I ship both.

He should be a member of the Elite 4 although he'll most likely not. Like in the Battle frontier didn't Brendon offer Ash to be a gym leader or something? Negaishipping would probably have more of a chance then Cafemochashipping since I don't think Ash is gey right?



Hetalia fandom: Hair...cumming. Need I say more?
And I swear, on google, I searched "May Pokemon" and I saw PORN of May x Missing no. My childhood was ruined.

Commanderpigg; what have you been looking up in google? Don't worry my friend was looking up Dawn icons on google and got the samething.
 

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Don't know if this is discussed before, I found this ship called FlavescentShipping, and it's between Shooti (Trip is such a retarded name so I'm not calling him that) and Iris, apparently.

Yes, why is his name Trip? That's as bland as his character.

I miss Twinleafshipping; Barry and Dawn had a few good moments on there.

It'd been the ship I would've supported, and not Penguin.

Shikimi's breasts, on the other hand...

XD Hey you forgot Juniper and Fennel. They get no love. XD

So there yah go. Oh yah and Oak and Ash's mom, I have no idea what her age is though LOL.

The anime makes her look below 40. Oak is a lucky man to choose between Delia and Juniper (and in a fanverse where Oak and Juniper had a child, as an adult the son would look like Juniper's dad. XP).

CommanderPigg said:
Hetalia fandom: Hair...cumming. Need I say more?

Um...o_O Ok there's no need to be that explicit on this thread. There's young'uns in here.
 

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Oh man I forgot about Juniper, oh no's Oaks could be caught in a love triangle for the eldersXD

Of course you can call me Ashfangirl22, CommanderPigg. Though it might confuse some new people here but people on Bulbagarden would get it LOL And Yuotube cuz that's my username there too and thank you.

AshPikaStar I was saying that cuz AdvancedK47 kept using math reasons why some ships had more of a chance of happing. Your right about Contestshipping and that's why I said people ship for fun and don't know if they become canon or not in the end. I'd like to think Ash would become an E4 member at the end of his run LOL Not now of course cuz he's still traveling but maybe after he wins the league??
 
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