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Double Dark, Triple Ground, Rotation any type, and Single Fairy maybe?
I'd leave the type specialties out (especially Ground, which does have a specialist in Gen 1). I'd do Double Battles, Triple Battles, Rotation Battles, and Inverse Battles.
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Quote originally posted by BettyNewbie:
I'd leave the type specialties out (especially Ground, which does have a specialist in Gen 1). I'd do Double Battles, Triple Battles, Rotation Battles, and Inverse Battles.
Yeah, but it's kind of replaced in Gen II, I guess me wanting it to be ground is in hopes of the league appearing in a GSC re-remake too...but then again Blue is also any type. I hope that GF introduces yet another new type next Gen (hopefully Sound, with Jigglypuff being retconned to Sound/Fairy).
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I hope that GF introduces yet another new type next Gen (hopefully Sound, with Jigglypuff being retconned to Sound/Fairy).
Hell, no. We don't need any more types right now, especially not something as fanficcy as "Sound" (which is almost as bad as the infamous "Light" type).
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Fairy was predicted by fans (including me) prior to Sylveon being confirmed as such. Fairy is basically the light type by another name anyways...

Anyways back on topic perhaps the Sevii islands will have a Battle Frontier insteead of gyms, yet once one beats all of them for the first time we get to Battle the Frontier champion. Sadly a BF and/or an extra league both seem unlikely given the shift of focus to competitive play.
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Anyways back on topic perhaps the Sevii islands will have a Battle Frontier insteead of gyms, yet once one beats all of them for the first time we get to Battle the Frontier champion. Sadly a BF and/or an extra league both seem unlikely given the shift of focus to competitive play.
Well, a battle facility would still cater to the competitive crowd (since "perfect" Pokémon are pretty much required to get through it), so we'll probably get one. Based on past trends (ie. HGSS getting Platinum's Battle Frontier and ORAS getting XY's Battle Maison), the Gen 1 remakes will probably get whatever facility is in Gen 7's main games (which could be a Battle Frontier, although probably not the one you really want to see again).
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Quote originally posted by BettyNewbie:
Well, a battle facility would still cater to the competitive crowd (since "perfect" Pokémon are pretty much required to get through it), so we'll probably get one. Based on past trends (ie. HGSS getting Platinum's Battle Frontier and ORAS getting XY's Battle Maison), the Gen 1 remakes will probably get whatever facility is in Gen 7's main games (which could be a Battle Frontier, although probably not the one you really want to see again).
Not really, I managed to get six of the Seven Battle Symbols with imperfect mons in Emerald, likewise for the BF in Platinum and SoulSilver. If that was true GF would've added one in ORAS...and they didn't, saying fans don't like BF's...
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Not really, I managed to get six of the Seven Battle Symbols with imperfect mons in Emerald, likewise for the BF in Platinum and SoulSilver. If that was true GF would've added one in ORAS...and they didn't, saying fans don't like BF's...
Oh, I'm sure it's possible, but it's very difficult, especially with all of the hax that tends to infest these battle facilities.

As for why the Emerald BF didn't return in ORAS, well, first of all, they were obviously trying to ignore as much of Emerald as possible. None of the Gym Leaders had their Emerald teams, and Juan was nowhere to be found. Don't ask me why they chose to do this (although, I can tell you that it isn't because they're going to make "DeltaEmerald" later), but it is what it is.

And, time may have also been an issue. It's worth pointing out that both BFs were introduced in Third Versions, games that GF didn't have to build from the ground up, so that gave them more time to develop these large battle areas, create Frontier Brains, and the like.

ORAS, on the other hand, were built completely from the ground up and took far more time to make than your typical Third Version, so it's possible that GF thought they could save time by just copying over the Battle Maison from XY instead of taking the time to recreate Emerald's BF in 3DS graphics. This is probably also why HGSS copy/pasted Platinum's BF instead of having a brand new one; it was easier to do, and it saved GF a lot of time.
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I guess a Kanto re-remake will get stuck with whatever the game before it has as a facility :/ (hope it's good). Or maybe not, seeing how FRLG lacked the Battle Tower from Ruby and Sapphire. If it was due to time it would be nice for GF to just say so, rather than make up a bogus excuse .
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This whole thread is getting me excited for a game that hasn't even been announced.
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Quote originally posted by BettyNewbie:
Oh, I'm sure it's possible, but it's very difficult, especially with all of the hax that tends to infest these battle facilities.

As for why the Emerald BF didn't return in ORAS, well, first of all, they were obviously trying to ignore as much of Emerald as possible. None of the Gym Leaders had their Emerald teams, and Juan was nowhere to be found. Don't ask me why they chose to do this (although, I can tell you that it isn't because they're going to make "DeltaEmerald" later), but it is what it is.

And, time may have also been an issue. It's worth pointing out that both BFs were introduced in Third Versions, games that GF didn't have to build from the ground up, so that gave them more time to develop these large battle areas, create Frontier Brains, and the like.

ORAS, on the other hand, were built completely from the ground up and took far more time to make than your typical Third Version, so it's possible that GF thought they could save time by just copying over the Battle Maison from XY instead of taking the time to recreate Emerald's BF in 3DS graphics. This is probably also why HGSS copy/pasted Platinum's BF instead of having a brand new one; it was easier to do, and it saved GF a lot of time.
To be exact (although you may already know this), Masuda said in an interview that the Battle Frontier was gone because they thought not many people would care for it. But why would ORAS, a game that is remaking one they've done previously (and simply having to redesign some areas that were already in RSE) take more time to make than, say, Platinum? Gonna guess because of taking the RSE maps and turning them 3D.

But that last point does make sense - if they wanted to save time to focus on other features then recycling the Battle Frontier wasn't completely out of line; the same logic can be made with B2W2 using the same Battle Subway as in BW.
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Quote originally posted by Pendraflare:
But why would ORAS, a game that is remaking one they've done previously (and simply having to redesign some areas that were already in RSE) take more time to make than, say, Platinum? Gonna guess because of taking the RSE maps and turning them 3D.
You pretty much answered your question. Platinum was nothing more than a slightly modified Diamond and Pearl rather than a completely new engine. ORAS, on the other hand, were a complete rebuilding of the old RSE on a completely new engine. The latter is, obviously, more time-intensive than the former.

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But that last point does make sense - if they wanted to save time to focus on other features then recycling the Battle Frontier wasn't completely out of line; the same logic can be made with B2W2 using the same Battle Subway as in BW.
It's clear that GF sees battle facilities as a pure gameplay feature rather than anything with story importance, so they don't have any qualms about recycling the same facility in completely different regions (or giving sequels the exact same one that the prequels had). No, it doesn't make sense that Johto & Sinnoh and Hoenn & Kalos each have the exact same battle facilities with the exact same trainers, as the regions are all very far apart from one another, but that doesn't matter in GF's eyes.

In short, Gen 1 remakes will inevitably get whatever battle facility Gen 7's main games introduce, regardless of whether or not it's in Kanto or the Islands.
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Quote originally posted by BettyNewbie:
You pretty much answered your question. Platinum was nothing more than a slightly modified Diamond and Pearl rather than a completely new engine. ORAS, on the other hand, were a complete rebuilding of the old RSE on a completely new engine. The latter is, obviously, more time-intensive than the former.



It's clear that GF sees battle facilities as a pure gameplay feature rather than anything with story importance, so they don't have any qualms about recycling the same facility in completely different regions (or giving sequels the exact same one that the prequels had). No, it doesn't make sense that Johto & Sinnoh and Hoenn & Kalos each have the exact same battle facilities with the exact same trainers, as the regions are all very far apart from one another, but that doesn't matter in GF's eyes.

In short, Gen 1 remakes will inevitably get whatever battle facility Gen 7's main games introduce, regardless of whether or not it's in Kanto or the Islands.
In that case if what the Backpacker said is any indication then Kanto should get a big facility as he says his region (which will likely be the Gen VII region) has a impressive facility of some kind irc.

At least in the case of Hoenn & Kalos it was explained (plus it makes sense as Hoenn is in the past) why there is a copy of the Maison in Hoenn (by Kalos' time the Emerald Battle Frontier likely already replaced the Maison). Unova's subway makes sense. Now Sinnoh & Johto sharing the same facility makes little sense...as there's only a small time difference.
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Quote originally posted by OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire:
I guess a Kanto re-remake will get stuck with whatever the game before it has as a facility :/ (hope it's good). Or maybe not, seeing how FRLG lacked the Battle Tower from Ruby and Sapphire. If it was due to time it would be nice for GF to just say so, rather than make up a bogus excuse .
That isn't necessarily true! In FireRed and LeafGreen, there was a place called 'Trainer Tower' north of Quest Island, the island on which the town of 'Seven Island' was formed.
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That isn't necessarily true! In FireRed and LeafGreen, there was a place called 'Trainer Tower' north of Quest Island, the island on which the town of 'Seven Island' was formed.
Yeah, but making a generic "Trainer Tower" isn't quite the same thing as creating something as large and extensive as a Battle Frontier. Plus, I imagine that FRLG would've had Emerald's BF had the games been released after Emerald like HGSS were released after Platinum.
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Trainer Tower was different from the Battle Tower. The tower north of Mauville in Emerald 'Trainer Hill' was more similar to Trainer tower so for Emerald they copied and pasted from FRLG (they also copied Alternate Cave), but FRLG didn't copy and paste from RS. So we have two Copy and Paste facilities in remakes, and one not. I guess chances for C&P are higher for the Gen VII facility.
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Double Dark, Triple Ground, Rotation any type, and Single Fairy maybe?
Triple ground is big no from me, it just doesn't make any sense to me tbh.
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There's plenty of Ground/Flying and Ground Pokémon with Levitate to use and be able to spam Earthquake at the same time. I doubt it'll happen though.
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