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Old March 5th, 2015 (07:05 PM).
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If he is really so great and revolutionary, then why aren't any of his things for mac? If he's so revolutionary then why isn't HE the one person to make a pokemon rom editor for the MAC? And if worship isn't the right word, then why is there 67 pages of praise for his work. I am like martin luther (of course I'm not making any tools), and you people are like the catholic church. So come, and try to burn me to keep your beliefs alive. Oh and the Map Editor of Happiness is made by Shiny Quasire.
I can see you're new here. This is not the type of attitude you want to go into threads with. It gives people a terrible impression of you. When you make a religion connection like that, you're going to get heads to turn... and not in a good way. There's also no real need for it.

The reason there's almost 70 pages on this topic is because it dates back to 2007 and because the tools are genuinely helpful for the many purposes they serve. Many were trailblazing for the scene, and the majority of them are still in standard use today. Whether or not they function on other OSes is irrelevant. And no one is trying to claim that one operating system is better than the other. It's not always greener on the Microsoft side, either. For instance, Windows users get stuck with a barely-functional version of iTunes, whereas Mac users get a wonderful version that runs without a hitch.

I didn't say anything about Shiny Quagsire's map tool. It is functional on Mac devices, which is nice.

And, as to your main question, I'll direct you to a response someone else already gave you to it:
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You're about 5 years too late, these tools have not been updated for a long time and most likely never will be. To answer your question, these tools were made in a period where windows was really the only hacking platform. It's only been recently that some tool makers have started to support other OSes.
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Old March 5th, 2015 (07:17 PM).
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Quote originally posted by RichterSnipes:
I can see you're new here. This is not the type of attitude you want to go into threads with. It gives people a terrible impression of you. When you make a religion connection like that, you're going to get heads to turn... and not in a good way. There's also no real need for it.

The reason there's almost 70 pages on this topic is because it dates back to 2007 and because the tools are genuinely helpful for the many purposes they serve. Many were trailblazing for the scene, and the majority of them are still in standard use today. Whether or not they function on other OSes is irrelevant. And no one is trying to claim that one operating system is better than the other. It's not always greener on the Microsoft side, either. For instance, Windows users get stuck with a barely-functional version of iTunes, whereas Mac users get a wonderful version that runs without a hitch.

I didn't say anything about Shiny Quagsire's map tool. It is functional on Mac devices, which is nice.

And, as to your main question, I'll direct you to a response someone else already gave you to it:
I understand the thing with religion, but if you are trail blazing then why is there nothing on the mac? If he is so great why is there nothing on the mac? Also why do you windows people use ITunes?
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Old March 5th, 2015 (07:27 PM).
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I understand the thing with religion, but if you are trail blazing then why is there nothing on the mac? If he is so great why is there nothing on the mac? Also why do you windows people use ITunes?
There's more than one way to trailblaze with something. In this context, it was about the aspects of hacking covered by these tools, and how well they did their jobs. Similarly, greatness is measured by a countless number of factors. Plus, you have to consider that not everyone has a Mac. If someone doesn't have one, it's kind of hard for that person to make software for it.

If "us Windows people" want to purchase songs from the Apple Store (which is, honestly, the best store for digital music purchases), we have to use iTunes. It's out of necessity rather than choice.
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Why are none of your tools for the MAC? I use a mac and all I can find is the MEH (Map Editor of Happiness)! Make some tools for mac, and more people will love you, more than they and others all ready do. We need GBA rom hacking tools for mac.
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Old March 6th, 2015 (12:25 PM). Edited March 6th, 2015 by Projectwolfie.
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Then why are you all worshipping him? If these really haven't been updated in 5 years then they are probably obsolete and useless now. Also why aren't their any other than Shiny Quagsires MEH?
1. Up until recently, A-Map did everything it was required to and did it well. You'll notice that YAPE is on the same tier unless expanding the Pokedex, Physical/Special damage split, or new type adding is used. Also it is a very large project with quite a lot of work to be done, not many want to commit themselves to such a thing.

2. A problem perhaps more centered around PC (but isn't caused by it), some new people jump straight from YouTube/Vizzed/Google/site where I saw this one hack, don't read like they should, and go straight to the most popular used thing immediately because they're only here to download it. Which is now more popular because of people posting in it.

If you'd like to see what I mean by that, check out the Hack Studio and see how old some of the most popular threads are or the tools some newer hacks still use. A lot use horribly outdated tools because they are popular and used in their favorite hack, there's even tutorials that are fairly recent built around A-Trainer and if I recall that's been improved on years back. You'll also notice just earlier that in this thread I answered a question about a tool that has nothing to do with the topic.

Also I agree with Team Fail on this one, Wine is completely compatible with it. Wineskin is rather easy to setup and use for tools in general. I'm not saying that I don't want something cross-platform, but it is somewhat easy to do until it happens.
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Old March 6th, 2015 (12:47 PM).
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1. Up until recently, A-Map did everything it was required to and did it well. You'll notice that YAPE is on the same tier unless expanding the Pokedex, Physical/Special damage split, or new type adding is used. Also it is a very large project with quite a lot of work to be done, not many want to commit themselves to such a thing.

2. A problem perhaps more centered around PC, some new people don't read like they should and go straight to the most popular used thing immediately.

If you'd like to see what I mean by that, check out the Hack Studio and see how old some of the most popular threads are or the tools some newer hacks still use. Most people use horribly outdated tools because they are popular and used in their favorite hack, there's even YT tutorials that are fairly recent built around A-Trainer, and if I recall that's been improved on years back. You'll also notice just earlier that in this thread I answered a question about a tool that has nothing to do with the topic.

Also I agree with Team Fail on this one, Wine is completely compatible with it. Wineskin is rather easy to setup and use.
I'm going to respectfully disagree with what you've said. Age does not equate to usefulness. Tools such as A-Trainer change only the small, necessary amounts of code needed for the effects they need. Building something newer won't automatically make it better if there's nothing else that needed to be added in the first place. I'm not saying that's the case with everything, but a good portion of the tools in this thread are still helpful today. You just need to look around to see if something better actually has come around.

And personally, I've noticed the many shortcomings of AdvanceMap quite a bit before work on the Map Editor of Happiness began. I'd say that it did its job, but it was easy to mangle up data in your ROM if you weren't careful.

Also, my recommendation of Wine must have been buried underneath everything else I said before it. But it sounds as if it works, so go ahead and try out these tools with it.
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Old March 6th, 2015 (01:20 PM).
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Quote originally posted by RichterSnipes:
I'm going to respectfully disagree with what you've said. Age does not equate to usefulness. Tools such as A-Trainer change only the small, necessary amounts of code needed for the effects they need. Building something newer won't automatically make it better if there's nothing else that needed to be added in the first place. I'm not saying that's the case with everything, but a good portion of the tools in this thread are still helpful today. You just need to look around to see if something better actually has come around.
You have a good point, I'm wrong in that. Especially when you take into account some things that certain newer tools will do if you're not careful.

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I see your point there, I've run into a problem every now and then with 1.92 myself. Even more true with the mess that is 1.95 however. And especially when some unsuspecting new friend starts using it because it has the higher version number and appears to be the best and most stable version.
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Old March 7th, 2015 (07:44 AM).
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There's more than one way to trailblaze with something. In this context, it was about the aspects of hacking covered by these tools, and how well they did their jobs. Similarly, greatness is measured by a countless number of factors. Plus, you have to consider that not everyone has a Mac. If someone doesn't have one, it's kind of hard for that person to make software for it.

If "us Windows people" want to purchase songs from the Apple Store (which is, honestly, the best store for digital music purchases), we have to use iTunes. It's out of necessity rather than choice.
So what if it's hard, amazing people do hard things and supposedly HackMew is amazing. Also you can get Wake Up by Rage Against The Machine and The Funeral March Choppin for free on the internet, but not on the app store and I aways have my volume all the way down in case iTunes turns on.
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Quote originally posted by LordOfMinecraft:
So what if it's hard, amazing people do hard things and supposedly HackMew is amazing. Also you can get Wake Up by Rage Against The Machine and The Funeral March Choppin for free on the internet, but not on the app store and I aways have my volume all the way down in case iTunes turns on.
Making tools for the mac is not a requirement to be revolutionary or amazing. He revolutionized more by making the tools how he did and not by wasting his time porting them to a platform with a much smaller userbase and demand. These tools will never support OSX; you'll just have to deal with it.
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I have found the source code of XSE. So if anyone wants to continue developing this program, feel free to do so. As stated in the first post of this thread, Hackmew licensed this program under the GPL v3. So this program can be freely distributed and modified, as long as it remains under GPL v3.

The download link to the source code is here. Always honoured to save source codes from being lost in history. ^^
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Speaking of source code, just Google "andrea hackmew" and follow the second link in the results. There should be a heap of things that may be of use to you.

It is sad to see people bashing for the things that actually *are* useful and user-friendly even years after being developed, *can* run on the minority platform of one's choice given that one uses the right compatibility layer, and *have* changed the scene in the time when they first appeared. I'm even more disappointed about the bashing since I really liked the guy. I still do, he made me like Italians to the extent that I started studying the language :D
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Old March 9th, 2015 (05:39 PM).
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Making tools for the mac is not a requirement to be revolutionary or amazing. He revolutionized more by making the tools how he did and not by wasting his time porting them to a platform with a much smaller userbase and demand. These tools will never support OSX; you'll just have to deal with it.
Tons of people use mac. Also it is not a waste of time to make them on mac. There are tons of people who would use them! The internet is filled with complaints. Also dealing with it would be to buy a PC with windows. So if you want me to shut up, you'll have to either show me tools for the mac other than MEH, or fork over 300 dollars for me to buy a PC.
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But don't derail the topic asking for a developer who has more or less disappeared from the ROM hacking scene to develop Mac apps. At the very least, the source code is right there so somebody could easily get onto it.
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Quote originally posted by LordOfMinecraft:
Tons of people use mac. Also it is not a waste of time to make them on mac. There are tons of people who would use them! The internet is filled with complaints. Also dealing with it would be to buy a PC with windows. So if you want me to shut up, you'll have to either show me tools for the mac other than MEH, or fork over 300 dollars for me to buy a PC.
If it's not a waste of time to make these tools for mac, why don't you give it a shot yourself, then?

It would indeed be great if these tools were compatible with mac (which they are through Windows emulation), but they aren't so end of story. You can't just come here and demand tool makers to rewrite their tools for mac.
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Old March 10th, 2015 (03:48 PM).
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If it's not a waste of time to make these tools for mac, why don't you give it a shot yourself, then?

It would indeed be great if these tools were compatible with mac (which they are through Windows emulation), but they aren't so end of story. You can't just come here and demand tool makers to rewrite their tools for mac.
To the first thing you said, I can't. I don't know how. If I did I would, but I don't. To the second thing, isn't that what forums are for?
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To the first thing you said, I can't. I don't know how. If I did I would, but I don't. To the second thing, isn't that what forums are for?
Forums are not for demanding people to do things. You can ask tool creators to port their work to mac, sure, but if you do you should be prepared for a negative answer and accept that answer, rather than to keep going on about it. And please change your tone to a less demanding and more respectful one.
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I'm having a problem with advance trainer it keeps saying it can't be extracted but im not trying to extract it
(im on windows 8)
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I'm having a problem with advance trainer it keeps saying it can't be extracted but im not trying to extract it
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Well first of all have you extracted it? And if you haven't download Winrar (that's what I use) and extract it.
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Well first of all have you extracted it? And if you haven't download Winrar (that's what I use) and extract it.
Now it says it will be compressed only after closing the application and wont open at all (with winrar)
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Now it says it will be compressed only after closing the application and wont open at all (with winrar)
When you look at A-Trainer does it look like a stack of books with a red one on top? If it does then right click it, and click "Extract Here".
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When you look at A-Trainer does it look like a stack of books with a red one on top? If it does then right click it, and click "Extract Here".
Cannot execute "C:\Users\zach\AppData\Local\Temp\Rar$EXa0.142\A-Trainer.exe"
is what im getting after doing extract here also yes it is the normal winrar books stack
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Cannot execute "C:\Users\zach\AppData\Local\Temp\Rar$EXa0.142\A-Trainer.exe"
is what im getting after doing extract here
Then I have no idea that you're doing I was able to download it, and extract it with no problems. What I find weird is that it says "C:\Users\zach\AppData\Local\Temp\Rar$EXa0.142\A-Trainer.exe" considering the fact that A-Trainer.exe is in the compressed file so I'm confused as to how you were even given an option to extract that. Perhaps redownloading A-Trainer will cause it to work and then restarting your computer? Other than that I'm at a loss. Sorry!
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Then I have no idea that you're doing I was able to download it, and extract it with no problems. What I find weird is that it says "C:\Users\zach\AppData\Local\Temp\Rar$EXa0.142\A-Trainer.exe" considering the fact that A-Trainer.exe is in the compressed file so I'm confused as to how you were even given an option to extract that. Perhaps redownloading A-Trainer will cause it to work and then resetting your computer? Other than that I'm at a loss. Sorry!
Do you mean actually reset or restart? I will try redownloading now that winrar is installed. I think I may just reset my computer either way though to see if the problem is fixable that way thank you very much though very helpful! Thanks for trying! (This is still open if anyone knows how to do it)
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