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Old September 20th, 2009 (06:09 PM).
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Well, there's only one thing that I hate...

Godmodding: THIS is my biggest pet peeve in an RP. I know it's been stated before, but even the most carefully done plot can be, not only derailed, but completely destroyed because of it.

Got a villain that's supposed to be far more powerful then the character you're fighting and needs to survive for a later plot point that is really important to the story? Well, it turns out that the RPer that has been fighting him is a Godmodder, as he writes that the opponent was beaten easily.

I hate that, and I'll give an example(This is kind of long, so please stay with me.). In a pokemon RP I ran on another forum, the players were supposed to be trapped in Oreburgh City, as the police blocked off the area, due to the Oreburgh Mine collapsing.

The sixth-generation Sinnoh Champion (The champion Cynthia had to beat to become a champion) was guarding the Oreburgh Gate as there was a suspicious character roaming around the area. Then one of the players wanted to get out through the Oreburgh Gate, and confronted the champion-level trainer.

Since I was the RP moderator who actually had a rule against Godmodding (It was a very big problem to need a rule in order to stop it.) I deleted the post, as this RPer, beat the champion easily with only one of his pokemon.

Oh, did I mention that he was a beginning trainer?

That would have killed my entire plot point for Oreburgh, as well as severly damaged the overall plot, as the main villains were using that time to take over the TV station in Jubilife, which is the third biggest plot point in the RP.

If that isn't godmodding, then I don't know what is. I usually take measures to prevent this in RPs that I make, but it is still a major pet peeve.
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Old September 21st, 2009 (05:08 AM).
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Quote originally posted by fire woven:
I agre on that its very hard to keep track of it. Very much so for me as I am visually disabled to an extent and it is hard for me to keep track. i will admit I have done that on a much shorter scale such as:

"Dialogue" He said
"Dialogue" She said
"Diaolaug"
"Dialoaug"
"Dialoaug"

So it is not to hard to follow if you see my point.
Well, that's short enough that it doesn't really bother me very much, but when people practically have to have their finger on the screen to keep track of who's speaking, there's a problem. Doesn't happen too often with me, but it does happen. Also, it would help if some action, etc., would be added in there, but that's a different subject.


Quote originally posted by Zeta Dimentio:
Well, there's only one thing that I hate...

Godmodding: THIS is my biggest pet peeve in an RP. I know it's been stated before, but even the most carefully done plot can be, not only derailed, but completely destroyed because of it.

Got a villain that's supposed to be far more powerful then the character you're fighting and needs to survive for a later plot point that is really important to the story? Well, it turns out that the RPer that has been fighting him is a Godmodder, as he writes that the opponent was beaten easily.

I hate that, and I'll give an example(This is kind of long, so please stay with me.). In a pokemon RP I ran on another forum, the players were supposed to be trapped in Oreburgh City, as the police blocked off the area, due to the Oreburgh Mine collapsing.

The sixth-generation Sinnoh Champion (The champion Cynthia had to beat to become a champion) was guarding the Oreburgh Gate as there was a suspicious character roaming around the area. Then one of the players wanted to get out through the Oreburgh Gate, and confronted the champion-level trainer.

Since I was the RP moderator who actually had a rule against Godmodding (It was a very big problem to need a rule in order to stop it.) I deleted the post, as this RPer, beat the champion easily with only one of his pokemon.

Oh, did I mention that he was a beginning trainer?

That would have killed my entire plot point for Oreburgh, as well as severly damaged the overall plot, as the main villains were using that time to take over the TV station in Jubilife, which is the third biggest plot point in the RP.

If that isn't godmodding, then I don't know what is. I usually take measures to prevent this in RPs that I make, but it is still a major pet peeve.
Yeah, I hate it when people do that, or when you're making a point that the person you're battling is very strong, and then someone comes along and beat him with one or two moves all by him/herself, making your character look like a chump. Really irritating.
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Old September 21st, 2009 (01:31 PM).
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Quote originally posted by Zeta Dimentio:
Well, there's only one thing that I hate...

Godmodding: THIS is my biggest pet peeve in an RP. I know it's been stated before, but even the most carefully done plot can be, not only derailed, but completely destroyed because of it.

Got a villain that's supposed to be far more powerful then the character you're fighting and needs to survive for a later plot point that is really important to the story? Well, it turns out that the RPer that has been fighting him is a Godmodder, as he writes that the opponent was beaten easily.

I hate that, and I'll give an example(This is kind of long, so please stay with me.). In a pokemon RP I ran on another forum, the players were supposed to be trapped in Oreburgh City, as the police blocked off the area, due to the Oreburgh Mine collapsing.

The sixth-generation Sinnoh Champion (The champion Cynthia had to beat to become a champion) was guarding the Oreburgh Gate as there was a suspicious character roaming around the area. Then one of the players wanted to get out through the Oreburgh Gate, and confronted the champion-level trainer.

Since I was the RP moderator who actually had a rule against Godmodding (It was a very big problem to need a rule in order to stop it.) I deleted the post, as this RPer, beat the champion easily with only one of his pokemon.

Oh, did I mention that he was a beginning trainer?

That would have killed my entire plot point for Oreburgh, as well as severly damaged the overall plot, as the main villains were using that time to take over the TV station in Jubilife, which is the third biggest plot point in the RP.

If that isn't godmodding, then I don't know what is. I usually take measures to prevent this in RPs that I make, but it is still a major pet peeve.
Yes I see your point it really takes the fun out of the RP as it can damage the plot. We are all a little more powerful in RPs then we should be but not like some people. Like in my RP we are going to Mt. Moon to stop Team Rocket. Well I'm on recon and if I come to a grunt or two me and my partener might win. If we see an admin or alot of grunts we will have to lose or it would just be pretty horrible as the time will be used for my fellow RPers to come up with teams and other plans. So yes I hate Godmoding as much as, if not more then, others. (I know I am posting a little much here but it may help my RP expirence)
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Old September 21st, 2009 (02:27 PM).
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"Dialogue," he said
"Dialogue," she said.
"Dialogue"
"Dialogue"
"Dialogue"
"Dialogue"
"Dialogue"
"Dialogue"
"Dialogue"
"Dialogue"
God, I find it hard to break that cycle. I try and mix it up, but I feel like I leave in to many 'he/she said's'.
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Old September 22nd, 2009 (02:00 PM).
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Quote originally posted by Roxasabridged:
God, I find it hard to break that cycle. I try and mix it up, but I feel like I leave in to many 'he/she said's'.
I see that point as well and yes I see what you mean. Plus randomly addding them in can make it seem like bad grammar so I try for some action. I know its pretty hard but I do want to be an author so I must learn the rules now before its way too late for me. Also some thing else about godmoding but still off topic, I remember once while on a different site, in a RP of mine some one got kicked out of a RP because he did to much godmoding but he made a new acount and did it again and he was only doing it to annoy us. And it worked he actually got kicked three more times before just spamming he then ran out of E-mail acounts and left. (we think)
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Old October 11th, 2009 (03:51 AM). Edited October 11th, 2009 by Ninetales.
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Chapter-based RPG's. Personally, I think chapters are a pretty good idea for an RPG--they add a nice structure to them. However, by no means am I saying that every RPG should have them. It really depends on the RP master. Some are really restrictive about what to post in the chapters, and some just don't like using the chapter system (myself included, as I like to be the type to enforce complete creative control of people's character's actions). Basically I'm reinforcing the fact that chapter-based RPG's are usually not a bad thing. I've been in RPG's on a few different sites for about five years, and to date I have never come across a chapter-based RPG I found too restrictive.

Although maybe my reason for that was because I like to defy the restrictions of the chapter sometimes. I define a chapter outline as more of a guideline on what to post. To cite an example, I'm currently in a chapter-based Pokemon RPG. The RP master has no character to play, and instead provides chapter outlines and post critiques. I find the chapter outlines to be very helpful in deciding what to post, but since my character is quite unusual (for example, he's the only nocturnal character in the RPG), I find it necessary to defy such guidelines at times. In my most recent post in that RPG, the RP master's most recent chapter outlines had each character receive things from Dr. Namba, and then travel along Route 29 (with a list of Pokemon that can be encountered). However, I had my character have his own extra chapter which followed neither of those guidelines--in fact, I had him break into Namba's house and steal some diagrams on some of his patented devices. I have yet to find out if the post was over-the-top or something, but as far as I can see, if it fits with the character's signup, it usually works.

Mary Sues. I have come across some Mary Sues in various RPGs--in fact, one time, I actually accepted a Mary-Sue signup for one of my RPG's because the creator seemed to have good RPG skills. Specifically, this was a character who was extremely thin yet angsty, came from an abusive family, and had been "tortured in her own home". Well, at least the creator wasn't that pushy or annoying, though her posts had a somewhat awkward style to them. Like I said, some RP masters are more lenient than others, and I'm possibly known for being one of the most lenient around...

Also, it is possible for someone to effectively RP a Mary-Sue/Gary-Stu character, but it is very difficult to pull off. The Trainer Kat character I mentioned in my last post in this thread is one example. Ultimately, as far as I can see it, if someone can give legitimate reasons as to why a character has a specific Mary Sue characteristic, or how that relates to their character in a fair, relatively realistic way, that is acceptable. I myself commonly use two characters who have most of the painful past characteristics of a Mary Sue, but I try to give reason to those characteristics (in one signup, I explained why the character's parents were abusive), and make sure that the character has a good balance of strengths and flaws. Of course, some characteristics can't be explained that easily--how do you explain a character with mild telempathic abilities, for example?

Speaking of the Mary Sue Litmus Test, there are some questions on that test I really don't think should be on there, like:

- "Does your character express political/religious views which you share?"
- "Do you consider the character attractive enough that you would date him/her?"
- "Does your character like the same kind of movies/music/clothing as you do?"
- "Do you wish the character were real so you could be their friend/lover?"
- "Did you pick your character's name solely because you saw it as appropriate for their characteristics?"
- "Did you give your character a certain article of clothing from your own wardrobe?"
- "Did you give your character an article of clothing you want in your wardrobe?"
- "Did you give your character their job/occupation simply because you thought it was glamourous or exciting?"

A whole bunch of these relate to the author picking a character based on things they are fond of, which is perfectly natural. I believe part of an author's bond with their characters is those characters having something the author reveres or holds closely in their hearts, things that resonate with them. Often times, the most interesting characters are the ones the author has a passion for, provided their RPing skills are sufficient. I've seen this plenty of times with my own signups. 90% of the time, the more passion I have for my character, the more likely it is to be accepted, and the more awesome the RP master and/or other players think my character is. Writing really is an expression of the author's thoughts on a subject.

And while it is true that Mary Sues can arise from the author's narcissism about their character, love of one's characters is otherwise unrelated to Mary Sue-ism--in other words, it's more of a correlation than a cause. Let me ask you this: if your RPG character asked you out on a date, would you accept? (provided they're the correct gender of course)

As far as similarity to the creator goes, this only becomes a Mary Sue factor if the creator is especially conceited or lacks self-esteem (in the case of a Goth Sue). The vast majority of authors out there insert a bit of themselves into the story, as well as some of their characters. It's just like a Pokemon, really--the Pokemon is bad only because the trainer is bad.

Also, some people have different views of what a Mary Sue is. I probably judge a character as being Mary-Sue-ish more easily than normal... in fact, I recently tested four of my most Mary-Sue suspect characters with the Mary Sue Litmus Test, and their scores were 15, 15, 18, and 24, which is relatively on the low side.

Re-Using Characters: I am a strong advocate of re-using RPG characters. Using the same character in multiple RPG's really helps with character development; in fact, the vast majority of characters in stories I'm planning to write have been in an RPG at least twice--some over five times. Plus, re-using a character gives the creator a chance to improve or re-write things, thus "polishing" the character a bit. Finally, isn't it fun to search the RPG forum and look at the different signups for one of your characters over time? (I always LOL at how different my favourite character's first RPG signup was compared to now)

However, there are some drawbacks to this. I've seen some people just copy-and-paste signups from other RPG's. This not only shows redundancy, but also lack of concern for the RPG. I frequently re-use characters, and admittedly I do copy-and-paste some of their characteristics (especially Appearance), but I modify the signup to make the character fit with the RPG (especially the History, and Pokemon if it's a Pokemon RPG). Sometimes I spontaneously add or subtract things in various fields ("Oh, let's make Yamiko wear a different shirt this time"), and sometimes I decide to re-write a field just so I'm sure I have an updated version. (Since I think about many of these characters quite often, I usually feel the need to update each time.)

Other Bad Habits I can come up with:

The TL;DR signup/post.
Note that I define TL;DR as something that's long and boring. In other words, if it's not boring, a long signup/post is just fine with me. (How else was I able to read Lord of the Rings and the fifth Harry Potter book?) But occasionally there are some people who seem to favour quantity over quality, and even more annoying, say the same thing over and over again in their posts.

Then there's the issue of unnecessary detail. I generally tolerate this when I'm RP master, but I've seen several cases of "For goodness sake, will you please not write a whole novel?!?" with other RP masters. I guess the lesson learned here is that often times an RPer has to conform to the RP master's guidelines sometimes. I myself am notorious for making things long, and I've had some people say that my posts were very interesting to read, and some who asked me to shorten my posts, often in an unfriendly manner. Sometimes I end up editing a signup after posting it to take out some things. But the bottom line is that some people are really into the interesting details, whereas some have shorter attention spans and don't want to bother.

The Poke-Sue. This is a specialised Pokemon version of a Mary Sue. I have encountered many of these in Pokemon RPG's, and have found them to be as annoyingly overused as a Skarmory in competitive battling. Actually, there are two types of this:

The Game Boy Trainer: I have always loved Pokemon. When I was ten, I received a (insert name of starter Pokemon here, like Mudkip) and started my Pokemon journey. I am still kind of new to the Pokemon world, and (Pokemon) and I still have many challenges ahead of us, but hopefully that will change when (insert main conflict of RPG here) comes about!

*Some of these characters are accompanied my standard trainer sprites for their Appearance.

The Gym Leader Affiliate: I grew up under (Gym Leader)'s wing. Or, I have always loved the (Type)-type, and have studied it extensively, eventually granting me the privilege of being an apprentice in (Gym Leader)'s gym. (Gym Leader) was eventually kind enough to give me a (Pokemon that matches Type) so that I could start my own Pokemon journey. Because I was (Unique Characteristic), I caught (This Many) Pokemon, and have been quite successful on my journey so far. I think (Gym Leader) must be proud of me. However, (Flaw) and (RPG conflict) are really setting me back...

*Note: Some of these characteristics are necessary for certain RPG's--for example, one I'm in requires the characters to be Gym Leader apprentices.
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Old October 11th, 2009 (09:43 AM).
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Re-Using Characters: I am a strong advocate of re-using RPG characters. Using the same character in multiple RPG's really helps with character development; in fact, the vast majority of characters in stories I'm planning to write have been in an RPG at least twice--some over five times. Plus, re-using a character gives the creator a chance to improve or re-write things, thus "polishing" the character a bit. Finally, isn't it fun to search the RPG forum and look at the different signups for one of your characters over time? (I always LOL at how different my favourite character's first RPG signup was compared to now)

However, there are some drawbacks to this. I've seen some people just copy-and-paste signups from other RPG's. This not only shows redundancy, but also lack of concern for the RPG. I frequently re-use characters, and admittedly I do copy-and-paste some of their characteristics (especially Appearance), but I modify the signup to make the character fit with the RPG (especially the History, and Pokemon if it's a Pokemon RPG). Sometimes I spontaneously add or subtract things in various fields ("Oh, let's make Yamiko wear a different shirt this time"), and sometimes I decide to re-write a field just so I'm sure I have an updated version. (Since I think about many of these characters quite often, I usually feel the need to update each time.)
I agree.

Especially for me. I get tired of having to make new characters every time I want to apply for a new Pokemon RP.

Besides, I haven't been able to use MOST of my RP characters to their full potential.

Why?

Because pretty much ALL of the Pokemon RP's I've been involved in have been force canceled or were never completed before the RP's true "end."

WTF?!

What is this?! Some kind of jinx on me?!

Ugh...

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Old October 20th, 2009 (05:18 PM).
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I actually haven't RPed on this particular forum for quite a while, but... xD Here are two that always bug me:


The Copypasta SU.
This doesn't have anything to do with actual RPing ability, but it still annoys me to no end. It's when people take the sign-up sheet that puts additional explaination within:

Name: (First and Last)
Age: (Must be older than 12)
Personality: (Complete sentences please)
History: (Must include first pokemon)

And copy-paste it and then JUST START WRITING OVER IT without deleting the info! Like this:

Name: (First and Last) Rebecca Odwin
Age: (Must be older than 12) 14
Personality: (Complete sentences please) Rebecca is very shy. She doesn't talk with people very often. She's really nice, but she gets attached too easily.
History: (Must include first pokemon) She grew up in Kanto where she lived with her dad. He bought her a Pikachu for her birthday.

Aside from the SU sucking, you see what I mean? How hard is it to delete the three or four words that have nothing to do with your SU? D8<

/neurotic rant over


The Five Paragraph Requirement.
This is a fault of the RP master. Look, I love literacy. I love description. I don't like seeing crappy one-liners in my RPs. But, sweet Jeebus, do you have to REQUIRE 4-5 paragraphs to even post in the RP!? 1 or 2 I can understand, 3 tops, but 4-5 is an essay. It's not too hard to stretch out "He walked into the room" into a good-sized paragraph, but it's simply impossible to make a long-term RP that requires you to do that for several paragraphs in every post.


I'm done. :X
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Old November 1st, 2009 (06:26 AM).
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God, I find it hard to break that cycle. I try and mix it up, but I feel like I leave in to many 'he/she said's'.
Honestly, I can never justify (for me, I don't know about the rest of you) just dialouge in a post without my character's name at the beginning because I lose track of who's talking. I read a short story one time, and at one point there were ten straight lines of
"Dialouge" said she
with two girl's arguing. Even with usernames at the top I can't keep track of that!
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Old November 1st, 2009 (09:02 AM).
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Although I'm not an experienced roleplayer, I must say. I can't abide abide bad grammar or spelling, it's ok if it's an accident, but when it's just because you're lazy... This is a post I can remember from another forum I was on.

" JAmie was Walking in th wood and he was vry happy. he had justcaught a caterpie and he wanted to evolve it in2 a butter3."
And another 2 paragraphs of that. But the worst post I have ever seen was from an RP master on a forum associated with some online browser game called Travian. To clear up any confusion, the others were me and the other RPers.

" 'omg, thats like so crappy dude!' the champ was standing in front of adam and the others. 'im gonna take u down and then im gonna take out the others. They won't be safe from me ever mwahaha!' michael throo a pokeball and a arceus came out. 'arceus use judgment!' michael yelled. arceus rored and throo a ball of lite at the champ and th eothers and it sent the champ flying. 'no, please michael ill do anything u want please just don't hurt me' the champ said. i laughed and kiked him and he cried out in pain. 'now im angry i'm gonna kill you all arceus kill them all' michael said arceus killed all them all because they were so weak but he brought them back 2 life. 'because i am the greatest i will let u serve me if you dont serve me i will kill u.' the others all agreed and michael ruled the world.

You see? And where the HELL did that Arceus come from!? He said on his SU "Pokemon: Charmander". And that was the 9th post. basically, we had all posted, then he posted, and then someone else posted, and he posted that monstrosity. Okay, I'm done being angry.

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Old November 11th, 2009 (05:47 PM).
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Mary Sues. I have come across some Mary Sues in various RPGs--in fact, one time, I actually accepted a Mary-Sue signup for one of my RPG's because the creator seemed to have good RPG skills. Specifically, this was a character who was extremely thin yet angsty, came from an abusive family, and had been "tortured in her own home". Well, at least the creator wasn't that pushy or annoying, though her posts had a somewhat awkward style to them. Like I said, some RP masters are more lenient than others, and I'm possibly known for being one of the most lenient around...
I am also very lenient, probably because I have very little experience, but I know a Gary-Stu when I see one. I've had that problem before. Let's go back to an old memory. A school RP. Juu-Chan...

Yeah, I was creating a character called Adrastos Stephen Diodorus. And it turned out to be a Gary-Stu. Yeah, then I argued needlessly. Well, now I'm seeing my mistakes...

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Also, it is possible for someone to effectively RP a Mary-Sue/Gary-Stu character, but it is very difficult to pull off. The Trainer Kat character I mentioned in my last post in this thread is one example. Ultimately, as far as I can see it, if someone can give legitimate reasons as to why a character has a specific Mary Sue characteristic, or how that relates to their character in a fair, relatively realistic way, that is acceptable. I myself commonly use two characters who have most of the painful past characteristics of a Mary Sue, but I try to give reason to those characteristics (in one signup, I explained why the character's parents were abusive), and make sure that the character has a good balance of strengths and flaws. Of course, some characteristics can't be explained that easily--how do you explain a character with mild telempathic abilities, for example?

Speaking of the Mary Sue Litmus Test, there are some questions on that test I really don't think should be on there, like:

- "Does your character express political/religious views which you share?"
I'm pretty sure that there is no religion in the Pokemon world.
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"Do you consider the character attractive enough that you would date him/her?"
Uh, yeah, I'm not even allowed yet...
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- "Does your character like the same kind of movies/music/clothing as you do?"]
Yeah, their likes don't determine Gary-Stuness.
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- "Do you wish the character were real so you could be their friend/lover?"
I actually think that is a good question.
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"Did you pick your character's name solely because you saw it as appropriate for their characteristics?"
I don't see anything wrong with doing that. I do it sometimes.

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- "Did you give your character a certain article of clothing from your own wardrobe?"

- "Did you give your character an article of clothing you want in your wardrobe?"
First question, I see nothing wrong with it. The Second one, I think it is necessary.
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- "Did you give your character their job/occupation simply because you thought it was glamourous or exciting?"
Agree with you for that one.

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A whole bunch of these relate to the author picking a character based on things they are fond of, which is perfectly natural. I believe part of an author's bond with their characters is those characters having something the author reveres or holds closely in their hearts, things that resonate with them. Often times, the most interesting characters are the ones the author has a passion for, provided their RPing skills are sufficient. I've seen this plenty of times with my own signups. 90% of the time, the more passion I have for my character, the more likely it is to be accepted, and the more awesome the RP master and/or other players think my character is. Writing really is an expression of the author's thoughts on a subject.
Very well put.

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And while it is true that Mary Sues can arise from the author's narcissism about their character, love of one's characters is otherwise unrelated to Mary Sue-ism--in other words, it's more of a correlation than a cause. Let me ask you this: if your RPG character asked you out on a date, would you accept? (provided they're the correct gender of course)
How would a character that is not real ask me on a date? And, again, I'm too young...



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Also, some people have different views of what a Mary Sue is. I probably judge a character as being Mary-Sue-ish more easily than normal... in fact, I recently tested four of my most Mary-Sue suspect characters with the Mary Sue Litmus Test, and their scores were 15, 15, 18, and 24, which is relatively on the low side.
Good post. Em, what is The Mary Sue Litmus Test?
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Old November 12th, 2009 (08:02 AM).
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Lines:
As far as the four-line or one-line argument...the length of a line on this forum in the actual final product of your post varies incredibly depending on the forum. I know some forums where the post stretches all across the screen, and others where your posts take up less than half of the screen space. A 'line' length also depends on the size of the monitor it's being viewed on. Despite the fact that I agree to quality > quantity, it's incredibly difficult to condense a paragraph into a sentence, and any post should have several sentences.

Mary-Sues:
While Mary-Sues are in general frowned upon, and should be, I believe that all characters should have a few Mary-Sue characteristics. Real people nearly always have at least a few Mary-Sue characteristics. Or, at least, so far as I know.

The Enter Key:
Especially in a very, very long post I don't think there should be any blocks of text with more than ten sentences in them, because there must be a place to end a paragraph somewhere in there!! And if you press the enter key in a post, a good rule of thumb in my opinion is to press it twice. Then I can see where one paragraph stops and the next one starts.


Mid-post smilies:
annoy me to no end. This post drove me up a wall: (stuff is changed. I did it on purpose)

Glacius the ice mage smiled he really liked this steak even tho it looked bad

The website also had this blue smilie that he put after the word ice every time.
Don't do that. ; )

Decorative posts:
I've only really seen these on other websites but it is important.
The people who use a HUGE picture for their character, include it in every post, and use colorful text (a different color for each of their five characters!!) have a serious problem. Most of them don't even write a full sentence, either.

You're:
is a contraction form of You Are. If all else fails, just write out you are and leave my mental grammatical correction system in peace. Your (no 'e'!) shows possessive. For example, "Hi Joey, is this your pencil?" You're would happy more like this: "You're not busy, are you?"

To:
It's somehow even more annoying than you're. An example of the word 'to' in context "I would be happy to write a letter" next we have the word 'too': "We have too many cupcakes!" and finally 'two': "There are two fish sticks on the plate."
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Over leniency - Basically allowing things to happen even if they shouldn't. Like say... not correcting a mistake that effects the outcome/plot/whatever of your RP.
Too much posting - Basically replying to posts with new actions before other RP'ers get a say, basically forcing someone to make a post of how your character stood around doing nothing until this or that happened.
Grammar - While I haven't come across 1337 posts or anything, I've seen plenty of sentences butchered by bad spelling and punctuation. Also, reffering to your character as 'I' gets confusing. At least for me.
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There isn't really much I can add to this thread, though I can expand on the grammar issue.
It peeves me when people change tense in the middle of their posts. I don't suppose I'm wrong in saying that it's best to use the past tense in an RP. Some RPers, however, start using the present tense in their posts, and it's so dang annoying! I mean, if that's their style... But they mix past and present in their posts and it gets difficult to understand what they're saying, y'know?

I know I've been guilty of creating a Mary Sue character; a girl whose childhood was good but for the fact she always suspected her parents didn't love each other. She put off going on her Pokemon journey because she knew that once she left home her parents would split up because they were only staying together for her sake. Soon after she did leave, they split up, and she was never the same again. She became an angry, angsty loner who didn't want to talk to anyone ever again, not ever her starter Pokemon, Zubat.
That RP didn't even get off the ground, luckily. I wrote the introductory post about how the cruise ship crashed and she wound up as a Sneasel on a tropical island, but the RP master never posted theirs and the RP never even started. Meh.

Do you lot get peeved by odd sounding names? For example, the character I just described was called 'Arcadia'. I beautiful sounding name, in my opinion, but I wouldn't say it was appropriate. Not a very realistic name, either. Better to stick with normal sounding names?
I mean, if you're RPing some magical creature or a person from a mystical clan, or whatever, then it's fine, but for a regular old human? Not the wisest choice.

Reading back over the stuff on this page, I totally agree with Ninetales in that it's perfectly alright, and probably wise, to create a character with similar interests to yours. After all, if you're interested in something, you'll find it easier to talk about and therefore easier to convince the other RPers that your character's really into it. It makes for a more convincing and better played character, and that's certainly not a bad thing, surely?

Roxasabridged, I think I'm guilty of too much posting. I'm so eager to continue RPing that I can sometimes jump in and reply too quickly. However, this might be because (in the RP I'm currently in, anyway) I'm in a quite different timezone to the other RPers. I wake up in the morning and find that everyone's posted and left, so after I post I wait around all day and because I'm so bored of waiting, I jump in and post as soon as I can. It's silly, but true, unfortunately.

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There is one thing I've noticed in Chapter format RPs. I haven't been guilty of it myself, it's just what I've noticed.

Sneakily 'getting' pokemon. The proper way most RPs run is that you throw a pokeball and hope the GM lets you catch it. There's always one who 'befriends' a pokemon and earns its trust - resulting in it joining the team. It's plain sneaky, as the GM can't really avoid that.

Just a little peev of mine. It's late, I'm tired. Go figure
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I have to really agree with you on that one, Zeph. >>; It's especially annoying when they try to get the Pokemon and other things out of the post.
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...so, then. Bad habits...well it depends. It depends from the beholder's formation, mainly - I came up (as an RPer) with the Italian School, which has a completely different set of habits and bad habits, and the first time I saw an RP (compared to the italian PbF, Play by Forum) I was...little less than shocked. In Italy, bunnying (or "autoconcluding") can get you BANNED if recidive, just to quote an example. Here is accepted, with different degrees of tolerance, but I saw but a couple of threads with the "No bunnying" rule. All in all, it varies.

Of course, God Modes and Mary Sues are quite universally recognized as the bane of RPing. 8D
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Quote originally posted by WeissRaben:
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...so, then. Bad habits...well it depends. It depends from the beholder's formation, mainly - I came up (as an RPer) with the Italian School, which has a completely different set of habits and bad habits, and the first time I saw an RP (compared to the italian PbF, Play by Forum) I was...little less than shocked. In Italy, bunnying (or "autoconcluding") can get you BANNED if recidive, just to quote an example. Here is accepted, with different degrees of tolerance, but I saw but a couple of threads with the "No bunnying" rule. All in all, it varies.

Of course, God Modes and Mary Sues are quite universally recognized as the bane of RPing. 8D
For me, it's sometimes difficult to get things done in an adequate 2000 word+ post without doing at least a little bunnying. But usually the thing is, if the other RP'er really has a big issue with what I did with their character, it's not like I'm going to bend over backwards if I have to edit a little, y'know? xD I definitely agree that it varies- since I remember the days when even the slightest bit of bunnying here was a sign to get you n00b-gutted. But for me- I'm definitely guilty now.

Anyway, it's been awhile since I RP'd on PC, but I'm sure some of these you guys can relate.
Hopefully I'm not reiterating something we've said before, but the old posts were just so long ago.


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Old March 29th, 2010 (08:20 AM).
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Loki, that happens enough as it is with Twilight fans... ;_; XD

Of course there are those posts where turns have to be taken between two RPers, so not a lot of words could be written, which at times kind of sucks, but in other ways can be solved too. XD

Like for example a battle, could be written in two parts, by both battlers, and the RP OP could determine the winner, and the winner posts the winning move.

I've seen plenty of run on sentences though... A lot of the "and then..." replaces periods.
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At the risk of sounding pompous: bad grammar annoys me.

Things like:

Harry woke up that morning and stared at the sky.Hed always dreamed of being a pokemon trainer and this was finally the day.He went downstairs and said,"goodbye mum and dad" before leaving... etc

Also, why do so many people come up with Japanese names? Things like Nakamura, Shinto, Suzuke and so on...
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Probably because Pokemon is Japanese, and people feel the need to emulate that? XD

I tend to use names with Latin derivatives... at least it is something I know...

But I have seen those fics are RPs where people say they are Japanese or something like that, but get everything else wrong... It's kind of hard to write about a whole new culture liek that...
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Loki, that happens enough as it is with Twilight fans... ;_; XD

Of course there are those posts where turns have to be taken between two RPers, so not a lot of words could be written, which at times kind of sucks, but in other ways can be solved too. XD

Like for example a battle, could be written in two parts, by both battlers, and the RP OP could determine the winner, and the winner posts the winning move.

I've seen plenty of run on sentences though... A lot of the "and then..." replaces periods.
Italians are MASTERS of the conditionals. XD Battles are done by describing, post after post, moves and not their effects: the enemy describes the effects and then his moves. Rince and repeat.
Of course, this makes honesty one of the staples of RP, and repeated use of the Invulnerability Cheat leads to the same effects as autoconcluding, so there is a nice balance. :3

Aaaaand...well, don't you hate the Downgrading? I know, maybe saying that I'm very, very fast in combat is a little Sue-ish (but, unless the chara isn't good at EVERYTHING, it can be); but well, then there are the ones who MUST peak you. "Ah, you're too slow". And then RAEG starts.
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Feign: Ah, well here posts go a lot faster, so having battles like that is plausible. xD; Posts where I RP at take weeks to appear, so "taking turns" is...

tedious. =w=

And Twilight fans. I think that's a perfect description of it. xD;

And for battles I've always just written those with whoever I'm battling, and then one of us posts it. We usually decide amongst ourselves who won and who lost, but I dunno if writing one post together was what you meant by writing two parts?

This discussion totally doesn't belong here. xD [/instincts kicking in]

*makes this on-topic* Really big quote from Ninetales down here. Just so that you guys don't have to scroll. xD
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Quote originally posted by Ninetales:
Mary Sues. I have come across some Mary Sues in various RPGs--in fact, one time, I actually accepted a Mary-Sue signup for one of my RPG's because the creator seemed to have good RPG skills. Specifically, this was a character who was extremely thin yet angsty, came from an abusive family, and had been "tortured in her own home". Well, at least the creator wasn't that pushy or annoying, though her posts had a somewhat awkward style to them. Like I said, some RP masters are more lenient than others, and I'm possibly known for being one of the most lenient around...

Also, it is possible for someone to effectively RP a Mary-Sue/Gary-Stu character, but it is very difficult to pull off. The Trainer Kat character I mentioned in my last post in this thread is one example. Ultimately, as far as I can see it, if someone can give legitimate reasons as to why a character has a specific Mary Sue characteristic, or how that relates to their character in a fair, relatively realistic way, that is acceptable. I myself commonly use two characters who have most of the painful past characteristics of a Mary Sue, but I try to give reason to those characteristics (in one signup, I explained why the character's parents were abusive), and make sure that the character has a good balance of strengths and flaws. Of course, some characteristics can't be explained that easily--how do you explain a character with mild telempathic abilities, for example?

Speaking of the Mary Sue Litmus Test, there are some questions on that test I really don't think should be on there, like:

- "Does your character express political/religious views which you share?"
- "Do you consider the character attractive enough that you would date him/her?"
- "Does your character like the same kind of movies/music/clothing as you do?"
- "Do you wish the character were real so you could be their friend/lover?"
- "Did you pick your character's name solely because you saw it as appropriate for their characteristics?"
- "Did you give your character a certain article of clothing from your own wardrobe?"
- "Did you give your character an article of clothing you want in your wardrobe?"
- "Did you give your character their job/occupation simply because you thought it was glamourous or exciting?"

A whole bunch of these relate to the author picking a character based on things they are fond of, which is perfectly natural. I believe part of an author's bond with their characters is those characters having something the author reveres or holds closely in their hearts, things that resonate with them. Often times, the most interesting characters are the ones the author has a passion for, provided their RPing skills are sufficient. I've seen this plenty of times with my own signups. 90% of the time, the more passion I have for my character, the more likely it is to be accepted, and the more awesome the RP master and/or other players think my character is. Writing really is an expression of the author's thoughts on a subject.

And while it is true that Mary Sues can arise from the author's narcissism about their character, love of one's characters is otherwise unrelated to Mary Sue-ism--in other words, it's more of a correlation than a cause. Let me ask you this: if your RPG character asked you out on a date, would you accept? (provided they're the correct gender of course)

As far as similarity to the creator goes, this only becomes a Mary Sue factor if the creator is especially conceited or lacks self-esteem (in the case of a Goth Sue). The vast majority of authors out there insert a bit of themselves into the story, as well as some of their characters. It's just like a Pokemon, really--the Pokemon is bad only because the trainer is bad.


Re-Using Characters: I am a strong advocate of re-using RPG characters. Using the same character in multiple RPG's really helps with character development; in fact, the vast majority of characters in stories I'm planning to write have been in an RPG at least twice--some over five times. Plus, re-using a character gives the creator a chance to improve or re-write things, thus "polishing" the character a bit. Finally, isn't it fun to search the RPG forum and look at the different signups for one of your characters over time? (I always LOL at how different my favourite character's first RPG signup was compared to now)

However, there are some drawbacks to this. I've seen some people just copy-and-paste signups from other RPG's. This not only shows redundancy, but also lack of concern for the RPG. I frequently re-use characters, and admittedly I do copy-and-paste some of their characteristics (especially Appearance), but I modify the signup to make the character fit with the RPG (especially the History, and Pokemon if it's a Pokemon RPG). Sometimes I spontaneously add or subtract things in various fields ("Oh, let's make Yamiko wear a different shirt this time"), and sometimes I decide to re-write a field just so I'm sure I have an updated version. (Since I think about many of these characters quite often, I usually feel the need to update each time.)

Other Bad Habits I can come up with:

The TL;DR signup/post.
Note that I define TL;DR as something that's long and boring. In other words, if it's not boring, a long signup/post is just fine with me. (How else was I able to read Lord of the Rings and the fifth Harry Potter book?) But occasionally there are some people who seem to favour quantity over quality, and even more annoying, say the same thing over and over again in their posts.

Then there's the issue of unnecessary detail. I generally tolerate this when I'm RP master, but I've seen several cases of "For goodness sake, will you please not write a whole novel?!?" with other RP masters. I guess the lesson learned here is that often times an RPer has to conform to the RP master's guidelines sometimes. I myself am notorious for making things long, and I've had some people say that my posts were very interesting to read, and some who asked me to shorten my posts, often in an unfriendly manner. Sometimes I end up editing a signup after posting it to take out some things. But the bottom line is that some people are really into the interesting details, whereas some have shorter attention spans and don't want to bother.


The Gym Leader Affiliate: I grew up under (Gym Leader)'s wing. Or, I have always loved the (Type)-type, and have studied it extensively, eventually granting me the privilege of being an apprentice in (Gym Leader)'s gym. (Gym Leader) was eventually kind enough to give me a (Pokemon that matches Type) so that I could start my own Pokemon journey. Because I was (Unique Characteristic), I caught (This Many) Pokemon, and have been quite successful on my journey so far. I think (Gym Leader) must be proud of me. However, (Flaw) and (RPG conflict) are really setting me back...

*Note: Some of these characteristics are necessary for certain RPG's--for example, one I'm in requires the characters to be Gym Leader apprentices.



Hahaha, I love how long your post is Ninetales. I see you haven’t changed at all. xD
Anyway about the Mary-Sue Litmus, I think that entire test should be taken with a grain of salt. To me, a perfectly good character can be ruined by a dumb RPer, and a character that wasn’t mary-sue can become mary-sue. It’s all in the way you play the character, and that test focuses more on how you created them.

What the Litmus test doesn’t take into account is that nobody wants to play a morbidly obese, acne riddled, social failure. That’s not what roleplaying is about- roleplaying is about being in a different world where you can be someone else. (Which is why I laugh when people use themselves as their character. If you want to be the hero of a story, go wave a hockey stick around in your driveway and use your imagination there.) Of course, this is my own personal opinion, but while the Litmus test is fun, I usually score pretty high on that baby. And unless people aren’t telling me something, I’ve never had much of an issue with mary-sues. Lately anyway- when I look back on my old posts I just… facepalm. But yeah. It’s not how you make the character; It’s how you portray them, to me. (Like your example of Trainer Kat- though I personally don’t remember her making such a terrible idea of a character.)


For awhile, Re-using characters was a huge taboo for me, but now, I definitely agree. It helps you understand the character’s thought process better- and for me, I usually just re-use characters that never got to see IC action. Because I usually just don’t have enough imagination or organizational skills to have two of the same characters in two different RP settings without getting extremely confused. xD

TL;DR anything: Guilty, guilty, especially as of late. (Though some people seem to think that posts I think are boring are interesting. If that sentence made any sense at all.) I do think though, that when you’re posting, you should really conform to what other people are doing even just out of politeness. If they’re only posting three paragraphs, that means they only want to read three paragraphs. If they’re posting five+, that means they want to read 5+. If they’re posting one, then that’s a sign to steer clear, hahahaha. Just kidding, but yeah, following the original pattern; One paragraph posted = One paragraph of another post read. You need to sort of adjust your length to suit others’ preferences- and that was why I’ve asked you to shorten your posts in the past, Ninetales. xD; Sorry if I wasn’t too nice about it. It’s actually one of my pet peeves when people post super long posts when I don’t- I’m usually just not in the mood to read it all the way through, and that’s unfair to the RP’er, since they spend all that time typing. Though we probably just have different ideas of what’s interesting- haven’t RP’ed with you for awhile, so maybe that’s changed. ;D

Oh god apprentices in roleplays that don’t call for them. I think we should just burn them all off the face of the planet. Personally, I think that’s a form of minor god-modding. It’s an unfair advantage, and it’s… dumb. ESPECIALLY if it’s a canon gym leader. But I personally hate any sort of canon – original character mixing, no matter how you twist it. AU for me. xD






Aw you guys posted a bunch while I was typing my response to her. xD

Anyway I hate it when people try to use Japanese names when they don't know anything about Japan. I'm so guilty of this back during my n00b days though. But I definitely think that it's just a phase people go through, and at some point, they smarten up or just stop RP'ing altogether. That's the trend I see anyway.

Zeph- actually your example brings up another peeve of mine. When people don't connect the events in their post. It's like, I don't want a laundry list of what your character did, kk? xDD I hate it when people do that. It was a huge trend here when I left this section- I hope it's changed for the better. xD;

Weiss- are you saying that you don't like it when you state a fact about your character and then someone disregards it? xD
Like, if you said your character was very very fast- and I said "too bad lol mai chara iz fastur"? xD; [/not sure I'm understanding your point]
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Quote originally posted by WeissRaben:
Italians are MASTERS of the conditionals. XD Battles are done by describing, post after post, moves and not their effects: the enemy describes the effects and then his moves. Rince and repeat.
Of course, this makes honesty one of the staples of RP, and repeated use of the Invulnerability Cheat leads to the same effects as autoconcluding, so there is a nice balance. :3

Aaaaand...well, don't you hate the Downgrading? I know, maybe saying that I'm very, very fast in combat is a little Sue-ish (but, unless the chara isn't good at EVERYTHING, it can be); but well, then there are the ones who MUST peak you. "Ah, you're too slow". And then RAEG starts.
Yeah I did do that style (reacion style) for a Stargate RP, but I believe the people there were more active, so it works better that way.

But yeah, I know what you mean... People start to cheat too much, if they don't know what they are doing, or tend to bend the laws of physics or something stupid...

Lol... if I ended up in that situation, I'd usually best that person, assuming that the person is honesty, and abides by the rules, otherwise, they'd just complain, even though they are at fault even if they don't know it yet.
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"too bad lol mai chara iz fastur" indeed, Loki - a good character has to have a peak, a quality that makes him different from the others. Disregarding this means the character is basically useless, or -even worse- average. Because PCs are NOT average, which is what makes them different from the Commoner Peasant lv 1. XD

And, the reaction style (both in battle and out) works very well, and it allows (alongside decided results, if wanted) battles where you DO NOT know who will win, and who will best who in tactics and such. Because, if the other employed a semi-flawless tactics, he did not autoconcluded, but he forces you to take the blow...if you do not have a SMARTER tactic, that's it. 8D
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