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Old February 23rd, 2008 (11:30 AM). Edited March 14th, 2008 by Unlimited NiGHTS.
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I give credit to Anti-Pop for helping me make this team. However, I'm still not certain if it's good enough to go for.

Swampert @ Leftovers; Torrent
Relaxed; 240 HP, 216 Defense, 52 Special Attack
Hydro Pump
Earthquake
Ice Beam
Roar

Registeel @ Leftovers; Clear Body
Relaxed; 252 HP, 56 Defense, 200 Special Defense
Hammer Arm
Explosion
Stealth Rock
Toxic

Articuno @ Leftovers; Pressure
Calm; 252 HP, 96 Defense, 160 Special Defense
Ice Beam
Roost
Reflect
Heal Bell

Salamence @ Choice Band; Intimidate
Adamant; 4 HP, 252 Attack, 252 Speed
Dragon Claw
Earthquake
Flamethrower
Stone Edge

Tentacruel @ Leftovers; Liquid Ooze
Calm; 204 HP, 172 Special Defense, 96 Special Attack, 36 Speed
Surf
Ice Beam
Rapid Spin
Toxic Spikes

Gliscor @ Leftovers; Sand Veil
Impish; 252 HP, 4 Attack, 252 Defense
Earthquake
Aerial Ace
Knock Off
Roost
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Old February 23rd, 2008 (11:50 AM).
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Quote originally posted by Unlimited NiGHTS:
I give credit to Anti-Pop for helping me make this team. However, I'm still not certain if it's good enough to go for.

Swampert @ Leftovers; Torrent
Relaxed; 240 HP, 216 Defense, 52 Special Attack
Surf
Earthquake
Ice Beam
Roar

Registeel SRs fine so Roar would be preferred.

Registeel @ Leftovers; Clear Body
Relaxed; 252 HP, 56 Defense, 200 Special Defense
Stealth Rock
Hammer Arm
Toxic
Explosion

Attacking with Registeel is a bad idea. You could still use EQ over hammer arm but you have a problem with Porygon-Z.

Articuno @ Leftovers; Pressure
Calm; 252 HP / 96 Def / 160 SDef
Ice Beam
Roost
Reflect
Heal Bell

With Swameprt to PHaze, Articuno will be able to use Reflect.

Salamence @ Choice Band; Intimidate
Adamant; 4 HP, 252 Attack, 252 Speed
Dragon Claw
Earthquake
Fire Fang / Flamethrower
Stone Edge

If you really fear Skarmory then go ahead, but even then Stone Edging it is fun and there's a good chance of a crit.

Starmie @ Leftovers; Natural Cure
Timid; 172 HP, 120 Special Attack, 216 Speed
Surf
Thunderbolt
Rapid Spin
Recover

Due to the fact that Gyarados massacres your team, go go go Thunderbolt!

Gliscor @ Leftovers; Sand Veil
Impish; 252 HP, 4 Attack, 252 Defense
Earthquake
Aerial Ace / Ice Fang
Knock Off
Roost

fine.
It's actually pretty good. you can tell I like this due to Articuno and Registeel being here

It's actually pretty solid. Swampert is a bit annoying though.
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Old February 23rd, 2008 (11:54 AM).
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Thanks, Anti-Pop! I was hoping you'd post here.

All fixes made.
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Just so you know Smogon's Articuno EVs aren't really that good. It needs special defense...

Watch out for subseeders and crap.
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Old February 23rd, 2008 (12:02 PM).
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Quote originally posted by Unlimited NiGHTS:
Articuno @ Leftovers; Pressure
Calm; 252 HP, 76 Defense, 64 Special Attack, 120 Special Defense
Ice Beam
Roost
Reflect
Heal Bell
Will that work, Anti-Pop?
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Old February 23rd, 2008 (01:26 PM).
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Just use 252 HP / 96 Def / 160 SDef with Calm. Articuno doesn't even need SAtk.
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All right, done. Thanks, Anti-Pop!
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SD Weavile is a pest, but I suppose Registeel can take Brick Break and fire back Hammer Arm.
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Old February 23rd, 2008 (02:18 PM).
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I hope so. What would you recommend if not?
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Well that's going to have to do, just pray Brick Break doesn't score a critical hit...or that it doesn't have a Focus Sash (though Articuno can finish it)
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Old February 23rd, 2008 (03:56 PM).
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All right.

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Old February 23rd, 2008 (06:46 PM). Edited March 1st, 2008 by Arcknight316.
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If 'Vire gets a Motor Drive in and Swampy dies, then your only hope will be for Registeel to blow up, and blowing up isn't something that your Registeel, who provides plenty of support, is gonna wanna do.
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Quote originally posted by *Nightfall*:
If 'Vire gets a Motor Drive in and Swampy dies, then your only hope will be for Registeel to blow up, and blowing up isn't something that your Registeel, who provides plenty of support, is gonna wanna do.
How would you solve this problem?
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Quote originally posted by Unlimited NiGHTS:
How would you solve this problem?
Well....if you give Gliscor Yache Berry, it could survive Ice Punch and OHKO with EQ.
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Quote originally posted by *Nightfall*:
Well....if you give Gliscor Yache Berry, it could survive Ice Punch and OHKO with EQ.
That could work. I'll try that.
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No Yache Berry on Gliscor, it needs Leftovers recovery.

Swampert is a good enough counter for Vire, and if it has HP Grass it probably lacks Ice Punch which means Gliscor can take it.
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Old February 28th, 2008 (03:28 PM).
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Oh. Okay then.

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Old March 1st, 2008 (01:30 PM). Edited March 1st, 2008 by Arcknight316.
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To reply to Anti-Pop....

Quote originally posted by *Nightfall*:
If 'Vire gets a Motor Drive in and Swampy dies, then your only hope will be for Registeel to blow up, and blowing up isn't something that your Registeel, who provides plenty of support, is gonna wanna do.
I specifically said THAT.

And BTW, just because a team has ONE Pokemon that doesn't die instantly to a threat doesn't make that team GOOD against it.
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I think Anti-Pop's point was that either Swampert or Gliscor can handle Electivire, depending on whether it has Hidden Power or Ice Punch. So, if Electivire has Ice Punch, I counter with Swampert. If Electivire has Hidden Power, I counter with Gliscor. Most likely, Electivire won't have both.
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Quote originally posted by Unlimited NiGHTS:
I think Anti-Pop's point was that either Swampert or Gliscor can handle Electivire, depending on whether it has Hidden Power or Ice Punch. So, if Electivire has Ice Punch, I counter with Swampert. If Electivire has Hidden Power, I counter with Gliscor. Most likely, Electivire won't have both.
I never said 'Vire would be the one killing Swampy. Some other Poke would.

And if a 'Vire has HP Grass, then that means it's Special orientated, and Gliscor dies to Special moves anyway.
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Quote originally posted by *Nightfall*:
I never said 'Vire would be the one killing Swampy. Some other Poke would.

And if a 'Vire has HP Grass, then that means it's Special orientated, and Gliscor dies to Special moves anyway.
Electivire's Cross Chop will do a maximum of 149 damage to Registeel, and that doesn't look high to me. I can just kill it with Registeel's Hammer Arm if I really need to, what with Electivire's low Defense.
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It's a good team, but the problem is 4 out of the 6 have double weaknesses.
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Quote originally posted by Spazzy:
It's a good team, but the problem is 4 out of the 6 have double weaknesses.
That's not as much an issue as you might think. It would take an idiot to keep a Pokémon in battle against something it'll obviously lose to. It's like trying to use Swampert against Roserade; it won't end well for you.

This is a switch-happy game, so don't think that those double weaknesses will be a problem.
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Quote originally posted by Unlimited NiGHTS:
That's not as much an issue as you might think. It would take an idiot to keep a Pokémon in battle against something it'll obviously lose to. It's like trying to use Swampert against Roserade; it won't end well for you.

This is a switch-happy game, so don't think that those double weaknesses will be a problem.
Good point. I need to switch more now that I think about it, I have 4 switch ins on my team.
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Yeah.

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