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Old March 17th, 2008 (07:31 PM). Edited March 22nd, 2008 by Unlimited NiGHTS.
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Gyarados @ Leftovers; Intimidate
Adamant; 212 HP, 16 Attack, 180 Defense, 100 Speed
Waterfall
Stone Edge
Dragon Dance
Taunt

Tyranitar @ Life Orb; Sand Stream
Naughty; 216 Attack, 96 Special Attack, 196 Speed
Crunch
Fire Blast
Earthquake
Ice Beam

Uxie @ Leftovers; Levitate
Bold; 252 HP, 128 Defense, 72 Special Attack, 56 Special Defense
Psychic
Thunderbolt
Toxic
Stealth Rock

Snorlax @ Leftovers; Thick Fat
Careful; 252 HP, 252 Special Defense, 4 Attack
Body Slam
Crunch
Sleep Talk
Rest

Porygon-Z @ Choice Specs; Adaptability
Modest; 4 HP, 252 Special Attack, 252 Speed
Tri Attack
Ice Beam
Thunderbolt
Dark Pulse

Gliscor @ Leftovers; Sand Veil
Impish; 252 HP, 252 Defense, 4 Attack
Earthquake
Aerial Ace
Knock Off
Roost

This is a team I came up with on my own, following Anti-Pop's advice to start with a core and build up from there. I hope I did OK.
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Old March 19th, 2008 (05:07 PM).
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Quote originally posted by Unlimited NiGHTS:
Gyarados @ Leftovers; Intimidate
Adamant; 212 HP, 16 Attack, 180 Defense, 100 Speed
Waterfall
Earthquake
Dragon Dance
Taunt

Fine

Vespiquen @ Leftovers; Pressure
Impish; 252 HP, 100 Defense, 156 Special Defense
Attack Order
Defend Order
Heal Order
Toxic

Eww, w/e floats your boat...

Donphan @ Leftovers; Sturdy
Impish; 252 HP, 252 Defense, 4 Attack
Earthquake
Stealth Rock
Ice Shard /Toxic
Rapid Spin


Ive found Toxic more useful on this dude, it helps with spin blockers.


Regice @ Leftovers; Clear Body
Calm; 252 HP / 252 def / 6 sp.def
Ice Beam
Seismic Toss
Sleep Talk
Rest

Change the ev spread

Porygon-Z @ Life Orb; Adaptability
Modest; 4 HP, 252 Special Attack, 252 Speed
Tri Attack
Ice Beam/ Hidden power Fighting
Dark Pulse
Nasty Plot

Good

Gliscor @ Leftovers; Hyper Cutter
Jolly; 252 HP, 252 Speed, 4 Attack
Earthquake
Rock Polish
Roost
Baton Pass

Id use this to Pass Rock Polish, it'll help P-Z more And the rest of your team.
Well get rid of Vespiquen, its not doing anything in OU....

Try this >> it


Tyranitar@Life Orb
Naught Nature
216 ATT / 96 SP.ATT /196 SPEED
- ice beam / Hidden power Grass
- Fire Blast
- Earthquake
- Crunch

With a Rock Polish passed to it from Gliscor, this dude rapes ALL..


HP Grass for swampy, otherwise Ice Beam is more useful.
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Old March 19th, 2008 (05:11 PM).
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Quote originally posted by Dark_Azelf:
Well get rid of Vespiquen, its not doing anything in OU....

Try this >> it


Tyranitar@Life Orb
Naught Nature
216 ATT / 96 SP.ATT /196 SPEED
- ice beam / Hidden power Grass
- Fire Blast
- Earthquake
- Crunch

With a Rock Polish passed to it from Gliscor, this dude rapes ALL..


HP Grass for swampy, otherwise Ice Beam is more useful.
Ew, Hidden Power. I hate having to breed for that, especially since I'm a perfectionist. I'd easily take Ice Beam there.

Still, I wanted to use Vespiquen on a team. I thought maybe after a Defend Order or two, I could just use Attack Order and Heal Order to take care of whatever. Ah well.

All right, I'll change the team.
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Old March 19th, 2008 (05:19 PM).
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If you were a perfectionist, then you would go for Hidden Power...

Azelf pretty much pointed most of the stuff out.

ScarfGengar can tear through this team really. At least Blissey is able to T-Wave it. May I suggest Scarfing your P-Z or removing Regice for Blissey. (No matter how boring it is, it works...)

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Old March 19th, 2008 (05:23 PM).
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Quote originally posted by Tortured_Soul:
If you were a perfectionist, then you would go for Hidden Power...

Azelf pretty much pointed most of the stuff out.

ScarfGengar can tear through this team really. At least Blissey is able to T-Wave it. May I suggest Scarfing your P-Z or removing Regice for Blissey. (No matter how boring it is, it works...)

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Done.

And no, I wouldn't. Hidden Power is too difficult to breed for, because I'd go for the 70 maximum base power and the right type. That's far too difficult.
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Old March 19th, 2008 (05:30 PM).
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Quote originally posted by Unlimited NiGHTS:
Gyarados @ Leftovers; Intimidate
Adamant; 212 HP, 16 Attack, 136 Defense, 144 Speed
Waterfall
Stone Edge
Dragon Dance
Taunt

Stone Edge over Earthquake please. 144 speed means you can outrun many major threats including Adamant Weavile and Timid Gengar after 1DD.

Tyranitar @ Life Orb; Sand Stream
Naughty; 216 Attack, 96 Special Attack, 196 Speed
Crunch
Fire Blast
Earthquake
Ice Beam

Fine

Donphan @ Leftovers; Sturdy
Impish; 252 HP, 252 Defense, 4 Attack
Earthquake
Rapid Spin
Toxic/Ice Shard
Stealth Rock

Ice Shard is an option, even though Azelf says otherwise.

Regice @ Leftovers; Clear Body
Calm; 252 HP, 4 Special Defense, 252 Defense
Ice Beam
Seismic Toss
Sleep Talk
Rest

Doesn't really do much for you. Could be replaced by Blissey or perhaps Cressy/Snorlax.

Porygon-Z @ Choice Scarf; Adaptability
Modest; 4 HP, 252 Special Attack, 252 Speed

Tri Attack
Ice Beam
Thunderbolt
Dark Pulse / HP FIGHT

Fine, but maybe HP FIGHT. (Cause you hate breeding for it. )

Gliscor @ Leftovers; Sand Veil
Jolly; 252 HP, 184 Def, 72 Spd
Earthquake / Aerial Ace
Rock Polish
Roost
Baton Pass

Aerial Ace because this is your Hera Counter. You need Def to be able to switch in on a CB hit. I changed your EV's a tad.

This is a team I came up with on my own, following Anti-Pop's advice to start with a core and build up from there. I hope I did OK.

Ok, looks ok, but I'm not in the mood to think of any more problems. I will have a look sometime later.

Regards,

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Old March 21st, 2008 (03:59 PM).
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Quote originally posted by Tortured_Soul:
Ok, looks ok, but I'm not in the mood to think of any more problems. I will have a look sometime later.

Regards,

~T_S
All right. I guess I'd better start breeding Magikarps.

I have replaced Regice with Snorlax.
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Old March 21st, 2008 (04:08 PM).
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ScarfGar doesn't tear through this team, especially considering it sucks. Snorlax Crunches it and will take unboosted Focus Blast, not to mention Gyarados can come in on that if that's what it's using.

As for everything else, solid physical resistances, really there aren't any physical sweepers that break this team. At least I thought that until I saw BP Gliscor. Ew. Nothing really receives its pass and really uses it well, so I would just run a standard wall. I would watch out for Weavile as well, which pretty much ends you. Gyarados can kind-sorta take it, but really it can only take so many hits.

Also Scarf Porygon-Z is the worst of its 3 most used sets. Specs and Nasty Plot are both a lot better. Also, the Nasty Plot set would make BP Gliscor viable on this team again if you have your heart set on using it. Very interesting build for a team, I will say that. Also you might as well run max HP and SDef on Snorlax, I've found the 28 Def EVs to not really help.
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Old March 21st, 2008 (04:12 PM).
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Quote originally posted by Anti-Pop:
ScarfGar doesn't tear through this team, especially considering it sucks. Snorlax Crunches it and will take unboosted Focus Blast, not to mention Gyarados can come in on that if that's what it's using.

As for everything else, solid physical resistances, really there aren't any physical sweepers that break this team. At least I thought that until I saw BP Gliscor. Ew. Nothing really receives its pass and really uses it well, so I would just run a standard wall. I would watch out for Weavile as well, which pretty much ends you. Gyarados can kind-sorta take it, but really it can only take so many hits.

Also Scarf Porygon-Z is the worst of its 3 most used sets. Specs and Nasty Plot are both a lot better. Also, the Nasty Plot set would make BP Gliscor viable on this team again if you have your heart set on using it. Very interesting build for a team, I will say that. Also you might as well run max HP and SDef on Snorlax, I've found the 28 Def EVs to not really help.
All right, I changed a few things. How does it look now?
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Old March 21st, 2008 (08:04 PM).
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drop one of your physical walls for something that isn't water weak. ttar can't do crap to bulky waters, and gyarados is your only counter for him, while many bulky waters have their own ways of taking care of gyarados. so i suggest you drop donphan for something that can handle bulky waters, set stealth rock, and defensively tank. you don't really need a spinner since your team isn't all that weak to it and gyarados prevents srock anyway.

i suggest you try uxie or mesprit. you definitely need some additional sp attacking power, so it's something to consider. plus, you need a gyara counter as well, and both have access to thunderbolt.
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Old March 21st, 2008 (11:27 PM).
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Quote originally posted by Samson:
drop one of your physical walls for something that isn't water weak. ttar can't do crap to bulky waters, and gyarados is your only counter for him, while many bulky waters have their own ways of taking care of gyarados. so i suggest you drop donphan for something that can handle bulky waters, set stealth rock, and defensively tank. you don't really need a spinner since your team isn't all that weak to it and gyarados prevents srock anyway.

i suggest you try uxie or mesprit. you definitely need some additional sp attacking power, so it's something to consider. plus, you need a gyara counter as well, and both have access to thunderbolt.
Hmm... Uxie is the more defensive one, right? I'll try that. Thanks.

EDIT: Will that Uxie's EVs work?
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Old March 22nd, 2008 (01:54 AM).
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Mesprit is arguably the best Gyara counter in the game. It has quickly become one of my favourite pokemon. Try it.

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Old March 22nd, 2008 (07:42 AM).
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Quote originally posted by Tortured_Soul:
Mesprit is arguably the best Gyara counter in the game. It has quickly become one of my favourite pokemon. Try it.

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Mesprit @ Leftovers; Levitate
Timid; 252 Special Attack, 78 HP, 180 Speed
Psychic
Ice Beam
Thunderbolt
Calm Mind

This is Smogon's standard Mesprit. Would you make any changes?
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Old March 22nd, 2008 (07:51 AM).
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Quote originally posted by Tortured_Soul:
Mesprit is arguably the best Gyara counter in the game. It has quickly become one of my favourite pokemon. Try it.

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Mesprit is really awesome, i had a battle with it the other day and a DD Waterfall it a 3hko =o, Uxie is pretty sweet aswell.


Mesprit@Leftovers
252 HP / 176 DEF / 80 SP.ATT
Bold Nature
- Thunderwave / U-Turn
- psychic / Hidden power [Ground]/Stealth Rock
- Ice Beam
- Thunderbolt

U-Turn for scouting and for Pursuit users, t-wave for team support, Psychic for STAB, Hidden power Ground hits E-Vire, magnezone and other steels such as metagross harder than anything else on the set. Stealth Rock for team support aswell.

Uxie@Leftovers
252 HP / 200 def / 40 sp.def / 16 sp.att
Relaxed Nature
- U-Turn
- Thunderbolt
- Stealth Rock
- Yawn / Psychic / Reflect


EDIT : Damn, you already got the set, change those evs if your wanting it to take on Gyarados
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Old March 22nd, 2008 (08:08 AM).
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Quote originally posted by Dark_Azelf:
Mesprit is really awesome, i had a battle with it the other day and a DD Waterfall it a 3hko =o, Uxie is pretty sweet aswell.


Mesprit@Leftovers
252 HP / 176 DEF / 80 SP.ATT
Bold Nature
- Thunderwave / U-Turn
- psychic / Hidden power [Ground]/Stealth Rock
- Ice Beam
- Thunderbolt

U-Turn for scouting and for Pursuit users, t-wave for team support, Psychic for STAB, Hidden power Ground hits E-Vire, magnezone and other steels such as metagross harder than anything else on the set. Stealth Rock for team support aswell.

Uxie@Leftovers
252 HP / 200 def / 40 sp.def / 16 sp.att
Relaxed Nature
- U-Turn
- Thunderbolt
- Stealth Rock
- Yawn / Psychic / Reflect


EDIT : Damn, you already got the set, change those evs if your wanting it to take on Gyarados
I guess it's just a choice between balance or defense... I think I'll take that Mesprit.
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Old March 22nd, 2008 (09:03 AM).
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Uxie is a much cooler Gyarados counter and a much cooler pokemon too >:0

I'd really recommend it, I ran it on my older stall team and lol, it will counter MixApe, Gyarados, you name it. It's also really fast for a wall and can SR. Honestly I'd say that over Mesprit, but you really can't go wrong either way.
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Quote originally posted by Anti-Pop:
Uxie is a much cooler Gyarados counter and a much cooler pokemon too >:0

I'd really recommend it, I ran it on my older stall team and lol, it will counter MixApe, Gyarados, you name it. It's also really fast for a wall and can SR. Honestly I'd say that over Mesprit, but you really can't go wrong either way.
You're better at this than I am, so I'll take your word for it. Since I lost the Uxie set, do you mind posting some ideas?
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Old March 22nd, 2008 (09:15 AM).
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Ah ha! Found my old stall team thread where I had this:

Uxie @ Leftovers
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 252 HP / 128 Def / 72 SAtk / 56 SDef
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Psychic
- Toxic
- U-Turn / Thunderbolt
- Stealth Rock / Yawn

Really win set, U-Turn more for escaping Pursuit. Uxie is pretty cool, so yeah. Either way, you can't go wrong, so feel free to overrule me lol
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Old March 22nd, 2008 (09:18 AM).
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Quote originally posted by Anti-Pop:
Ah ha! Found my old stall team thread where I had this:

Uxie @ Leftovers
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 252 HP / 128 Def / 72 SAtk / 56 SDef
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Psychic
- Toxic
- U-Turn / Thunderbolt
- Stealth Rock / Yawn

Really win set, U-Turn more for escaping Pursuit. Uxie is pretty cool, so yeah. Either way, you can't go wrong, so feel free to overrule me lol
Okay, so how does it look now?
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Old March 22nd, 2008 (09:22 AM).
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Okay, so how does it look now?
Uxie still wants T-Bolt, or you die to Dos.
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Old March 22nd, 2008 (09:23 AM).
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Uxie still wants T-Bolt, or you die to Dos.
Oh, whoops! I forgot about that.

Okay, I replaced Toxic with Thunderbolt.
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Old March 22nd, 2008 (09:29 AM).
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In all honesty Toxic is much more useful on Uxie than U-Turn is.
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Old March 22nd, 2008 (09:30 AM).
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In all honesty Toxic is much more useful on Uxie than U-Turn is.
All right, I now have that changed.

Anything else I'm overlooking?
 
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