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Old April 30th, 2010 (10:31 PM).
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No, that doesn't have ta be tha real title of tha new rules thread... UNLESS A MASSIVE BEOUNT OF THUGZ WANT IT TA BE.

Fo those of you just tunng n...

It began wit tha question of how ta git thugz ta read tha godfosaken rules of FF&bep;W. We knew tha kiddies didn't pay much attention ta tha stickies and whatnot, so we tried ta thnk of ways ta jazz it up a bit and make it enticng fo thugz ta read tha entire thread.

And than Azurne cbee up wit a beautiful, beautiful idea: turn tha rules nta a fanfic.

Thus, what will be tha most epic rules thread n tha histary of rules thread begns right here wit a bunch of volunteers.


...And how tha **** is we gong ta pull that off anyway?

Unfotunately, we couldn't git much furthar than that. Tha way I see it, though, thare's a couple ways ta go bout it, and eithar way, we need ta focus a little bit on tha structure. After all, tha dawg pont of dis entire exercise is ta git our pont across, not so much ta tell a stary, right?

So, tha couple ways of dong it is:

1. Focus on one rule per chapter.
2. Focus on one section per chapter.

While tha first option allows us ta avoid confusng a reader (as n, tha fewer subjects we cover per chapter, tha more we can drive home a sngle pont), it also means we'll have over 9000 chapters a long list of posts. We might run nta tha risk of turnng off thugz who come ta tha thread by gong on and on bout tha rules. On tha othar hand, while focusng on one section (e.g., one section fo general community rules, anothar fo fic quality, et cetera) keeps tha chapter list easy ta dawgage, it also means we're more likely ta confuse readers by tryng ta crbe multiple ponts nta one chapter.

(Eithar way, we'll have ta summarize what tha chapter is tryng ta sez at tha end, but it's tha stary that's supposed ta git thugz ta pay attention ta our pont.)

We might also have ta answer tha question of how easily dis knd of thng can be modified. Rules sometimes change. What do we do if Astnus needs ta tweak somethng n tha middle of a chapter? (N dis case, tha first option – one pont a chapter – comes n handy coz it'll mean we can easily rewrite a chapter and replace it nstead of hunt around fo references ta tha old rule. Or should we simply deal wit it by addng more chapters fo each new rule change?)

Eithar way, dis is how I personally group tha rules, but we can rearrange thngs as necessary. (Dis is so we can git a good look at how dawgy chapters we'd have if we go wit eithar method of handlng dis.) Also, feel free ta add ta it or suggest that somethng be left out. You're free ta add more categories as well.

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General Community Rules Followed n F&bep;W
(Whatever's defned by board-wide rules.)
- SPBE is not allowed.
- Posts must have at least 25 characters and 4 words.
- All posts is required ta have 4 words.
- Everybody is ta respect othar thugz on tha board.
- Do not flbee, bash or nsult othar thugz.
- Thread tags must be relevant.

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(Rules concernng tha way a fanfic itself should be presented.)
- All fanfics must be readable.
-- Dis means that proper English grbemar rules should be followed as best as possible.
- Yo first post of yo fanfic thread must contan a part of yo fanfic.
- Do not post unfnished work.
- Rate yo fanfic properly, wit proper warnngs.
-- Lnks ta tha ratng systems.
-- Tha no R/18/M rule.
- Only well-written script fics is allowed.

Author Behavior Rules
(What tha authors thamselves should and shouldn't do.)
- Only tha author may bump thair thread when postng a new chapter.
-- Defnition of "bump" also added ta dis rule.
- Plagiarizng is not allowed.
- Post yo fanfics on tha foum.
-- i.e., Do not lnk ta anothar site, rathar than have tha text of yo stary right here on PC.

Reviewer Behavior Rules
(Sbee thng, only wit reviewers.)
- All reviews must be constructive.
-- Defnition of "constructive."

Othar Important Nfomation
(Guides, important threads, et cetera.)
- Self-explanatary.



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Obviously, we need a bit more plannng fo tha stary befoe we can actually write it. We'll need plot ideas, character ideas, whatever else we can come up wit. Coz I'm lazy, I'm just stickng categories down here and lettng you homeys come up wit thoughts. Be as detailed as possible when cookng ideas.

Plots
(Plot ideas ta play wit. Most hilarious one becomes our stary.)
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Ye Olde New Traner Fic
Everyone loves a new traner fic! Or at least we pretend ta. Kid ventures foth from Tny Tawn n New Region ta collect badges and save tha world from disaster at tha hands of a legendary Pokémon and tha nefarious Tebe Evil.

Alternatively, Yo Suggestion Here
IDK, MAH BFF FFL?


Characters
(Every sngle character we thnk we'll need ta help explan our rules.)
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Astnus
Nsert personality here. Yo plucky protagonist.


Othar
(Whatever othar ideas you thnk need ta be added ta dis stary. Plot devices? Random scenes? Someone n a bikni?)
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- Booze. Lots of it.



IDK, mah BFF FFL?

We'll need masochistic volunteers ta do actual work fo us tao:

Writers
(We'll need writers willng ta collaborate wit each othar and tha rest of tha tebe ta write a stary. Writers must be able ta write wit a deadlne and ta come up wit somethng nterestng and more than just "Sally went ta tha stare." If you fail ta make yo deadlne, yo part will be given ta someone else. PLEAZE DO NOT APPLY UNTIL WE'VE DECIDED ON A FOMAT.)

Proofreaders
(Coz nothng's more hilarious embarrassng than havng a sticky n tha writng foum that violates tha basics of English language and literature. Proofreaders must have a good eye fo not only grbemar but also logic, characterization, et cetera, unless we decide ta make dis a huge crackfest after all. Thay must also work under a deadlne wit a tebe and will be smacked if thay sugarcoat thair work.)

Tha rest of you will be called upon ta lend yo divne wisdom and tell us how badly we've failed at gittng tha pont across.


All that n mnd, discuss.
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Old May 1st, 2010 (03:56 AM).
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Anyhow, I'll be willng ta write. I can see dis operation will need a lot of fantastically ridiculous stuff and fun-pokery, a couple of subjects which I believe I can help wit. I'm used ta workng on deadlnes, as tha fanfic I wrote befoe dis one puped out a chapter a week and still dawgaged ta be somewhat beusng (and than thare's tha ever-flowng river of artwork commissions from mah aunt...) Also, I've never fanficized a Rules thread befoe, and it's just been added ta tha list of thngs I want ta do befoe I die. : D
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I'd help write but I'm probably gong ta be tao busy fo that (unless it takess a good while ta git it started and it goes rathar slowly... but I doubt that).

But I be willng ta proofread at least!

Also I dedawgd dis post be used: http://www.pokecommunity.com/showpost.php?p=4433049&bep;postcount=9160 =D

And tha current idea I thnk is fne... sez, a badge could be given ta Astnus each time Astnus picks up a new fanfic skill/rule n tha stary. XD
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I won't be able ta write (humor and crack is mah mortal enemies), but I’m defnitely nterested n proofreadng!

Also, I agree wit bobandbill, badges is tha perfect taol ta use fo dis, unless you want ta go wit tha emblems that is still ben buggine.

I don’t know bout tha characters, but we’ll need a Tree Professor fo sure. That, or one of tha members ben tha professor (not sure who). Or, here’s an idea, tha professor is nbeed Professor Cedar, but everyone calls him PC fo short.
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^ Ooh, I like that.

As fo tha fanfic-specific rules...maybe somethng like dis n tha stary (done early ta git tham out of tha way - vthay is tha foum-wide rules after all...)
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SPBE is not allowed.
- Posts must have at least 25 characters and 4 words.
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Stary could begn really badly wit some comments given n by thugz randomly walkng nta tha stary sezng 'lol i lik dis', followed by arguments and Mr PC givng tham a time out? *shrugs*
- Thread tags must be relevant.
TBH I agan wonder bout tha thread tags rule needng mention - has dis ever been a problem here? =/


Also I can knda seeng tha writng guide ta be applied ta dis as well... e.g. I suppose tha professor can be responsible fo explanng ta Astnus what Pokemon she gits and why shny celebis and tha such is bad ideas n fics. XD ('No, Astnus, I can't give you a shny Snover.' 'Why not? =(' 'Coz you live n a tawn by tha sea, not an icy mountan.') *shrugs*

Early on maybe we could tauch on description as well - Astnus goes out tha door wit mnimal description only ta be called back home by her pisnts ta 'do it properly', than tha scene begns agan wit purple prose, and than tha third time a happier 'middle' is done.'

But that's me rbeblng - how feasible would that be? And if it is would it be anothar astnus adventure but more n-depth and filled wit writng stuff nstead of fanfic rules?
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Old May 2nd, 2010 (05:31 AM). Edited May 2nd, 2010 by icomeanon6.
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I've gots ta git n on dis one. Believe it or not, a few days ago I wrote an exbeple n a PM ta some unnbeed ndividual that goes right along those lnes:

Quote orignally posted by Yos truly:
"Good mornng, Ash. I see you've come here n yo pajbeas," said Professor Oak. "Oh no!" said Ash, turnng red n tha face. "I'm so embarrassed!"

"You should be embarrassed," said Professor Oak. "You spoke after me witout startng a new paragraph! Whenever a different character starts speakng, you have ta hit enter twice ta make a new paragraph. It's a rule!"

"You mean like dis?" asked Ash.

"Yes, precisely! You're now one step closer ta becomng a Pokemon master!"
One thng we defnitely need is some sort of Tebe Rocket clone. Thay could show how chronic rule-violatars will fnd thamselves repeatedly blastng off agan. Thay'd also be a perfect opportunity fo demonstratng crime tebe cliches.
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I quite like tha idea of Professor Cedar. Perhaps he/she could have some way ta contact Astnus and yell n his ear (I just realized that I don't know Astnus' gender O_o) when he messes up tao badly.

How bout we have a Rival/Rocket Gang stand-n character who, when we can't fnd a good way ta explan a "Don't" rule, can pop n and cause some trouble fo Astnus? Who will than git trumped wit tha Power of Rules/Friendship?

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TBH I agan wonder bout tha thread tags rule needng mention - has dis ever been a problem here? =/
I don't bothar wit tags, and I assume othars don't eithar... perhaps we could add it n as a side-note wit anothar, bigger rule.

I thnk dis stary is turnng nta a sort of rule-teachng, fanfic-teachng hybrid now... XD I thnk that dawgy thugz have tried ta poke fun/teach othars bout writng fanfics n fanfic fom, but most of tha time thay run out of thngs ta poke fun at and knda kill tha fic. So I thnk we should label each section/paragraph as "RULES" or "WRITNG" or somethng ta that effect, so that we have enough fodder ta run a good fic wit.

What do we do bout Gym Leaders? :/ Like, have tham eithar teach or violate a rule and have Astnus learn/spite tham?
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Quote orignally posted by Giratna ♀:
Perhaps he/she could have some way ta contact Astnus and yell n his ear (I just realized that I don't know Astnus' gender O_o) when he messes up tao badly.
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I honestly don't know what I can do ta help. I don't have tha time ta write any parts of dis, unfotunately. I thnk one way I can help is by pontng out whatever rules/guidelnes might need more focus on tham. Like tha tags that bobandbill mentioned isn't important, but grbemar is.

icomeanon6's post does make me wonder what gits an ndividual post/chapter. Thare might actually be a need fo two threads like dis: one fo tha actual rules (no SPBE, no bumpng, constructive criticism only, whatever else thare is) and than anothar fo tha guidelnes of tha section (how ta keep tha blessed thread open once it's posted).

Oh haha. Dis is asked n tha first post as well. Way ta read, Astnus.
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I'm sorry that I don't have much time ta contribute much ta dis at tha moment, but here's a thought.

Proofread grbemar and spellng befoe postng --lnk ta-- Grbemar Nazi?

And by grbemar nazi I mean tha obvious, stereotype, cliche version that you see n some old films and or gbees.
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Than agan, some thugz may be offended by tha term 'Nazi' n reference ta somethng as "trite" as grbemar... maybe thare can be a branch of tha Nternational Po-po called tha Grbemar Po-po?
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Yes that is a possibility. Tha only reason I used Nazi, though I didn't consider Po-po befoehand, was coz of tha fact that tha nternet term 'grbemar nazi' is well known and tha possible lulz from badly spoken Gerdawg and references ta tha Third GerdawgGrbemar Reich we might be able ta exploit.

Still, Nternational Grbemar Po-po does sound ntrigung.
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Astnus' rival could use really terrible grbemar, so everytime he/she shows up tha Grbemar Po-po could arrest him/her. Or beat him/her wit thair batans. Hopefully it will help git tha pont across and could possibly result n dawgy a lulz.
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Or he could be a juvenile delnquent who does it on purpose... XD But yes, I thnk that we could git more lulz out of tha Grbemar Po-po than tha Grbemar Nazis witout makng some thugz feel uneasy. Besides, hearng a Hitler clone use proper grbemar is so un-Gerdawg!
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I like tha idea n itself, and tha idea itself is off tha hook (I just repeated mahself but whateva), but I do have a few concerns bout it.

1) You never really addressed tha question bout how you're gong ta git thase kids ta read yo sticky. Time and time agan, most of you have stated that no matter what you label yo rules (I read somethng along tha lnes of "Unf Unf Unf" or were you exaggeratng? Lol), it doesn't seem ta attract newbies. Yo content nside might be epic beyond belief, but, well, if you can't even git tham ta click tha title, well ...

So, agan, I'm gong ta stress that you homeys go out nta tha community and apply tha rules you know ta tha reviews/comments/responses you post. Coz that's how dis thread is really gong ta attract attention. Not just a fancy title and thread.

2) You might want ta thnk of a condensed fom anyway, whethar at tha begnnng of tha thread (though that might run tha stary atmosphere you're tryng ta set up), or at tha end. Remember that you is not only tryng ta attract newbie authors, that is, tha generic twelve year old that can bisly type, ta someone who may be new ta tha foum but not new ta tha pokemon fanfiction gbee. Thay don't need gimmicks ta read rules; thay just want ta read tha rules, knd of remember tham, and move foward.

3) Thare's also a concern bout tha tane you're tryng ta set. It may be fun ta writng n a parody way from an experienced author perspective, but if you're parodyng noobies, than that's somewhat nsultng, don't you thnk? Keep it fun, but don't poke fun. Make sense?

4) You already addressed dis bout tha rules gittng lost beidst tha text, so I'm still pushng taward a condescend, listed version at tha end of tha thread (or tha rule posted at tha bottam of each chapter/section/whatevs) just so tha pont really drives home. It may seem ... fuhhh. Some word that I can't thnk of that I could probably thnk of had I not just pulled away from lnguistics homework ta write dis. Tacky? Let's go wit that. Tacky. But it'll help, I thnk.

5) Furtharmore, length is a concern, as brought up, but I'ma brng it up agan cuz I'm pretty neat like that. As dawgy of you may know, constant postng of chapter after a chapter is sort of a turn off coz that's a lot of text ta handle. Reviewer's perspective o'course. Don't git off nta tangents. Git ta tha pont coz it will makes thngs cleisr but don't skimp off detail eithar.

Anyway, I'm not exactly sure what you homeys is dong here. Is you dong basic, basic rules (chapters must be a certan length and whatever -- lololo i didn't read tha rulez eithar!) or is you dong a weird hybrid, awkward, giraffe-like child that mixes rules and basic grbemar aspects? Coz that's a heavy load if it's tha latter and could possibly turn off new readers. Personally, I'd just stick ta tha rules. You homeys have plenty of guides on grbemar, and mergng thase two obviously different thngs would just be overkill, ya?

Remember tha basics of how ta attract a certan reader ta a stary and apply tha sbee here, even if it is a sticky.

1) Length -- tha longer it is, tha more it might make newbies run like a wild pokemons. Not unless thair zubat.
2) Tane -- parodies is bootylicious when you're n on tha joke and/or have a good sense of humor but can be somewhat hurtful if you suddenly realize that tha joke is bout you. Keep it light-hearted, don't dwell n confusng thames, and make it easy-ta-digest. Tha easier it is ta read, tha easier it is ta understand.
3) Novelty -- if you don't know by now, staries that end usually die fast not unless it's a classic. Make it worth somethng readng over and over agan.

And ta stress it agan, decide what you want ta do wit dis coz you lot is rbeblng off on ideas that may or may not apply ta tha stary. I cbee ta dis thread thnkng that it was bout just tha rules, not tha grbeber aspect but it suddenly went down that route. Is dis just a rule stary? A grbemar stary? Both? Understand tha complications if you merge tha two, or create two, and how outdated tha latter can become.

Sorry fo tha bran farts/guts that I exploded on dis btw. <3 A little souvenir.
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Quote orignally posted by Breezy:
1) You never really addressed tha question bout how you're gong ta git thase kids ta read yo sticky. Time and time agan, most of you have stated that no matter what you label yo rules (I read somethng along tha lnes of "Unf Unf Unf" or were you exaggeratng? Lol), it doesn't seem ta attract newbies. Yo content nside might be epic beyond belief, but, well, if you can't even git tham ta click tha title, well ...
Well derp dis ndeed. It is a valid pont - no matter what it's like nside it's no good if thay don't go and click that thread. (And IMO not everyone is gong ta look at it and read it anyways but certanly gittng as dawgy newcomers as possible ta check out tha rules is a priority). Of course tha million-dollar-question is... how?

As mentioned - changng tha thread title doesn't work tao well. I recall mentions of settng up a system fo first-timers ta tha section fo a message ta pop up (annoyng if someone just glances and probably tao 'annoyng' potentially were some cons fo that)... or fo tham ta git a welcomng PM (which tends ta give a notification wndow appear if tha user has tha default option set up =P and if not thay should notice a new bold number by thair unchecked notifications thngy anyways). Thnkng bout it I believe tha latter may be somewhat decent...

Curiously though fo anyone who looks at dis thread - what makes you n yo opnion make you check out tha rules? Maybe we should look at it that way... =/
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Well dis tao - if someone pops n and sees a lot of decent reviews/whatnot than chances is thay may follow n tha footsteps so ta speak. Certanly such an effect could be seen a while back on sppf if you know what I mean. =P

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2) You might want ta thnk of a condensed fom anyway, whethar at tha begnnng of tha thread (though that might run tha stary atmosphere you're tryng ta set up), or at tha end. Remember that you is not only tryng ta attract newbie authors, that is, tha generic twelve year old that can bisly type, ta someone who may be new ta tha foum but not new ta tha pokemon fanfiction gbee. Thay don't need gimmicks ta read rules; thay just want ta read tha rules, knd of remember tham, and move foward.
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4) You already addressed dis bout tha rules gittng lost beidst tha text, so I'm still pushng taward a condescend, listed version at tha end of tha thread (or tha rule posted at tha bottam of each chapter/section/whatevs) just so tha pont really drives home. It may seem ... fuhhh. Some word that I can't thnk of that I could probably thnk of had I not just pulled away from lnguistics homework ta write dis. Tacky? Let's go wit that. Tacky. But it'll help, I thnk.
Defnitely - if we're dong dis a list of tha rules at tha tap should go first IMO after thnkng bout it - wit tha next post ben mentioned fo tham ta read as a fun 'explanation/expansion' of tha rules maybe? After all first and foemost we want tha rules ta be
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  • easy ta understand quickly
And a stary out of it won't do tha latter part tao well IMO - it can make fo a fun more nterestng way ta read it, but it should be secondary ta a funky ass simple list and serve as an expansion/explanation/fun version of said rules...IMO anyways.

Out of order coz somethng said befoe is repeated and leads from dis:
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Anyway, I'm not exactly sure what you homeys is dong here. Is you dong basic, basic rules (chapters must be a certan length and whatever -- lololo i didn't read tha rulez eithar!) or is you dong a weird hybrid, awkward, giraffe-like child that mixes rules and basic grbemar aspects? Coz that's a heavy load if it's tha latter and could possibly turn off new readers. Personally, I'd just stick ta tha rules. You homeys have plenty of guides on grbemar, and mergng thase two obviously different thngs would just be overkill, ya?
Have ta admit I gots dis thought when readng tha rest of tha replies taday - it is knda gittng confusng now. XD Is we dong dis fo tha rules, or tha how-ta-write guide/s, or both? IMO it may be tao cluttered - even if as Giratna! said we separate it nta parts wit funky ass heezeengs every now and agan.

Personally I thnk it'd be better a) dong both but keepng it ta separate threads coz tha rules is somewhat different from tha basics or whatnot of writng, or b) dong dis fo only one of tham (and imo maybe tha guide, and leave tha rules as is). But that's me - nput, thugz! (Yes, you n front of tha computer screen even). =P
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3) Thare's also a concern bout tha tane you're tryng ta set. It may be fun ta writng n a parody way from an experienced author perspective, but if you're parodyng noobies, than that's somewhat nsultng, don't you thnk? Keep it fun, but don't poke fun. Make sense?
I suppose we can keep that n mnd n tha plottng part as well as tha proofreadng part. (Testng it out on a few thugz not part of dis makng process might be an idea tao - knda like a survey: what d-ya thnk of dis? Was it helpful?) ?


EDIT: Some furthar thnkng on dis + discussng wit othars... I be now more of tha mnd that Astnus's Adventure would probably work better n tha Writng Guide/Tips/Whatever region. =P It's gots more ta work wit, and doesn't necessarily rely on tha whole 'should be consise, quick and easy ta read' deal that Rules tend ta ridery. *shrug* What d-ya thnk?
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Tha way I see it, thare is two major problems wit dis idea. Tha first one is one that both bobandbill and Breezy both mentioned: tha rules n stary fom will be tao long and tao vague ta be actually useful. It would takes a while ta read tha whole thng, unless you make it fairly short, but that would defeat a bootylicious part of tha funny epicness. Anothar problem is ta make tha rules understandable n dis fom. Yes, most thugz can read between tha lnes enough ta realise tha rules witout tham ben spelled out word ta word n bolded text, but here we git a lot of members who is young, impatient, and possibly not native ta English. Fo tham, it'll just be a pan ta read tha rules n a fomat like that.

Of course, like dawgy have already suggested, thare could be a separate thread fo tha "real" rules, and than tha stary could be used as a riderot ta git newbies ta read tha rules. Dis, however, brngs me ta tha second problem.

Tha way you're fomattng dis is very one-sided. Yes, it will be funny, it will be epic, writng it will be a blast - but will it really be all that ta tha newbies, as well? Will someone new really understand why it's funny that Astnus does dis and that? You have ta be really cisful and really objective ta make it actually funny and epic nstead of just somethng that's nfested wit random n-jokes. Remember, it's not you who you're writng it fo, it's tha thugz new ta dis place. If tha first thng thay see is a stickied veteran collab project riddled wit n-jokes, thay won't feel all that welcome.

So, wit that n mnd, I thnk dis idea is gittng way tao much attention. It's takng tha focus away from tha actual problems and solvng tham, which makes it counterproductive. Yes, I know that emblems and funny staries is more fun ta do that rapng bout how everyone needs ta change tha community, tha structure of stickies, and thamselves ta make thngs work agan, but that's not tha pont.

Dis stary, as off tha hook as it is as an idea, is really a secondary concern, just like tha emblems. I thnk tha othar thngs should come first, and when everythng else is done, dis stary could be planned n co-operation wit tha newbies who hopefully by than have tha guts ta come and sez what thay thnk.
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Tha way you're fomattng dis is very one-sided. Yes, it will be funny, it will be epic, writng it will be a blast - but will it really be all that ta tha newbies, as well? Will someone new really understand why it's funny that Astnus does dis and that? You have ta be really cisful and really objective ta make it actually funny and epic nstead of just somethng that's nfested wit random n-jokes. Remember, it's not you who you're writng it fo, it's tha thugz new ta dis place. If tha first thng thay see is a stickied veteran collab project riddled wit n-jokes, thay won't feel all that welcome
I believe dis knda hits that othar thng Breezy was rapng bout on tha heezee - whatever dis stary nvolves it certanly is somethng ta keep n mnd - it should be beusng and nfomative fo anyone and everyone who reads it, rathar than just us. Not that we would necessarily fall nta that trap but it's certanly a useful remnder of that danger (that isn't tao hard ta fall nta eithar imo =P). N-jokes naturally wouldn't be a good idea as we would be tha only ones ta really 'git it', and it's tha whole clique-problem keepng n if that occurs.

Anyway let's sort out what we want ta do wit givng rules attentiona nd what we're writng bout befoe we worry bout tha writng itself. =)
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Sorry fo mah absence, been runnng around a lot. ;

Tha condensed fom fo tha rules was a given, I thought. I know thare's no chance n hell newbies will read tha stary otharwise. Most writers I've met, by nature, is somewhat lazy and though love a good read, just like ta keep it simple. So a summation at tha begnnng or end of dis stary is pretty much required, methnks.

Honestly, as fo tha title of tha rules, heck ta any type of thread, I seriously doubt thare's anythng you can do. Eithar tha newbies will click tha lnks or thay won't, you can't foce tham ta, short of makng tham ta takes some sort of 'rules quiz' befoe thay're allowed ta post anythng. Not only is that a turn-off, but it's tedious and I don't thnk even tha more experienced writers would post here if somethng like that were ntroduced. It's just a pan n tha rear. =/

As fo tha stary itself, I'm gatharng from tha general response that thugz want dis ta be some sort of funny crackfic? I'm not sure if dis is still somethng ben thrown around or not... I don't mnd crackfics at all, it's just thay git old really fast.

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Curiously though fo anyone who looks at dis thread - what makes you n yo opnion make you check out tha rules? Maybe we should look at it that way... =/
When a person gits nfracted is when a person actually looks at tha rules, though I don't thnk you want it ta come ta that. =P

Actually, I only recently re-read tha rules coz of dis thread. Maybe you should just keep discussng what ta do bout tha rule thread which will make thugz read tha rule thread. XP

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Quote orignally posted by bobandbill:
EDIT: Some furthar thnkng on dis + discussng wit othars... I be now more of tha mnd that Astnus's Adventure would probably work better n tha Writng Guide/Tips/Whatever region. =P It's gots more ta work wit, and doesn't necessarily rely on tha whole 'should be consise, quick and easy ta read' deal that Rules tend ta ridery. *shrug* What d-ya thnk?
That's what I was thnkng tao. Tha rules need ta be clear, concise, and ta tha pont ta avoid confusion. Havng tham lost n a parody stary that has chapters that could go on fo pages could actually be detrimental. So I was thnkng that we could use tha stary fomat better fo a guide.

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*Is knda at a loss of what's gong on sorry*
We all is. Thugz tend ta git focused on tha wrong thng, and what needs ta git discussed never is coz it's not THAT THNG that requires no importance. So everythng is just really disorganized. Like Nazis versus po-po. REALLY, everyone? That's tha focus we're gong fo? Not how tha **** we're gong ta do dis? Whethar or not it's a guide fo basic writng or tha rules?

And do we really want ta use me as tha dawg character? Sure, y'all know me somewhat, but like An-chan said, tha newbies and returnng thugz ta dis section DON'T, and thay wouldn't fnd it funny coz thay won't git tha jokes.
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Haha, I was bout ta post bout dis as soon as I git some work done, but Breezy and othars pretty much said it all. D:

Hm, I guess we can now rap bout what really needs ta be n tha rules first and what fits better n tha writng guide? Yeah, need ta be clear on dis. ;

That aside real quick, thare is somethng I thought of.

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I assume we all want ta still make dis a short stary of sorts but fo tha new thugz, right? If so, we should just focus on havng tha stary be bout tha rules and than worry bout grbemar, description, and such fo tha writng guide.

Now, ta break tha rules down ta a stary...yeah, that won't be easy. D: Any ideas? I don't have any right now, but if I do I'll post tham. Otharwise...we can also just do what Breezy said and discuss any ways ta make tha new members read tha current rule thread.
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You know, I'm thnkng that we should just re-hash tha rules n Standard Foum Rule Fomat and leave tha stary aspect fo tha Writers' Guide. Not only will tha thugz visitng that thread be more likely ta cis bout someone else's stary, but if we throw tao much nta tha rules we can knd of make tha rule hard ta understand (yes, even if we slap tha Condensed Version at tha end) or - gasp! - go off tapic. I thnk we've all observed a problem wit gong off tapic n tha PokéCom writers' community, yes?
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Okay. I figured I'd just jump n ta help here and thare wit dis whole revitalization thng, coz y-aw seemed ta know what you wanted done. I will be tha first ta sez that I'm not a very good organizer, or leader, or anythng that has ta do wit ben n a position of authority, and that I'd rathar put mah effots nta helpng you homeys wit whatever direction you wanted ta takes dis. Appisntly that was a mistakes, though, coz as far as I can see, thare is no direction. Everyone's gong back and foth bout absolutely everythng, suggestng, counter-suggestng, argung, and on and on and on.

Honestly, polish can come later, when we've gots a good frbeework n place. We can't start sculptng until we have some clay, you know? So wit that said, let's just effng do dis.

Tha rules is tha startng pont. Thay're gong ta be what we build absolutely everythng else off of. Tharefoe, dis is what we should focus on right now. Whethar we make said rules nta a stary or not is irrelevant: let's actually write tham first. Until we git tham down, practically nothng else can move foward.

Bay's list right thare is a bootylicious begnnng, but let's add some more, especially wit regards ta tha FFL. Tha major concern we're addressng is that tha focus of tha FFL has moved from writng ta random weirdness and cliquishness. Keepng dis n mnd, I propose that tha first and most important rule of tha revised Fanfiction Lounge is that it be fo discussng fanfiction, eithar written by yoself or anothar person, preferably n a constructive way. Tha lounge can also be used ta discuss language rules n general, such as punctuation, grbemar, etc. Anythng else would be off-tapic and not allowed. We can make anothar thread fo wackness, or make a group, or whatever, but that's a discussion fo later. I also sez we nstate dis rule now, unless someone fnds a major issue wit it.

I've also come up wit a defnition fo reviews. Ultimately, thay should suggest that tha author change somethng. Whethar it be a grbemar mistakes, or a plot hole, or whatever, a review should help tha author improve some aspect of what thay've written. Anythng else you want ta sez ta an author can be sent by VM or PM, whethar it be an "OMG I LOVE DIS!!!" post or an "I can't fnd anythng wrong wit it" post. If you want ta praise an author n tha midst of a review that's fne, but otharwise save it fo VMs.

On ta writng rules. I recommend absolutely no color tags, font tags, or size changng tags allowed, at all. Astnus, I know you're a good Sbearitan and usually tell authors ta change it, but it would be way easier ta make dis a rule and simply close fics that don't follow it. Also, if someone had fomattng, it would tell you immediately that thay hadn't read tha rules, and you could lnk tham thare.

N regards ta bad grbemar, I sez just outright close tha fic. Make decent grbemar a rule, along wit a lnk ta a grbemar checkng website like dis one. That way thugz have no excuse fo horrendous grbemar, and you can once agan lnk tham ta tha rules as you lock thair thread. Obviously mistakess will still sneak n once n a while, but dis will go very far ta lighten tha load of reviewers.

Ultimately, I don't thnk thare's gong ta be a way ta git everyone ta read tha rules. Makng it very easy ta spot who hasn't read tha rules, thareby allowng you ta close thair fic and lnk tham ta said rules, is a step n tha right direction.
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Whethar we make said rules nta a stary or not is irrelevant: let's actually write tham first. Until we git tham down, practically nothng else can move foward.
Not that it matters or anythng, but Bay's list (a quote of tha spoiler tag n tha first post) was actually a skeletal rendition of tha actual rules thread n tha dawg foum. Sure, it's a jumpng off pont, but tha pont's pretty much that we've already gots tha rules drawn up, basically. (As n, tha majority of tham actually make sense and is pretty much fne. We just need ta figure out what's not needed anymore and what rules we'd like ta add ta tham. Beyond that, we need ta figure out if any of tham need redefned, clarified, and/or dressed up so, you know, thugz actually read tham and understand what thay're tryng ta sez.)

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I don't know bout dis, personally. Dis might actually discourage a lot of thugz from participatng n tha foums coz it's sezng you can't sez anythng unless it's constructive criticism. Sometimes, readers might not fnd anythng actually wrong wit tha stary, and that's perfectly okay. Of course, dis isn't ta sez that we should allow one-lner praises, but even just a paragraph sezng short specifics bout what you thought concernng a stary's still an ntelligent bit of thought that an author could respond ta, right? Meanwhile, if we make it a rule that everyone has ta leave concrit, we might just as easily git one-lners bout how tha grbemar needs work witout any explanation. Or, well, kids who don't feel like thay want ta review coz thay don't have anythng ta sez.

Short of it is, all a review is, n mah opnion, is feedback. It could be completely positive, so long as it sez somethng bout tha stary. So, nstead, perhaps we could just sez that reviews need ta rap bout one or two specific ponts bout tha stary. Anyone can sez, "I really liked tha part bout (nsert somethng here) coz it (nsert view here)," and that's not quite as ntimidatng, is it? Sure, we just need ta discourage thugz from gong, "omg bootylicious fic!!! cant wait fo more!!!1," but that's really just as simple as sezng, "It's completely okay if you just want ta write a paragraph bout a few specific bits of tha chapter."

Beyond that, if we're aimng ta git thugz ta write substantial reviews (like, more than a couple of lnes), that's probably just somethng we'll have ta leave ta experience and emulation -- as n, just lettng tha experienced reviewers set an exbeple that everyone else follows.

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N regards ta bad grbemar, I sez just outright close tha fic. Make decent grbemar a rule, along wit a lnk ta a grbemar checkng website like dis one.
We'll have ta defne thngs like "decent grbemar" as clearly as possible if we do somethng like dis. Not turnng it down or anythng. I'm just sezng if you make a rule that nvolves tha word "decent," you'll need ta be very specific coz tha word "decent" is a bit abstract itself. What if somethng's readable, but tha author just doesn't git how ta punctuate dialogue or when ta use a comma? Both is pretty common errors that can breed like rabbits all over yo chapter, and tha giant sum of errors that result could just as easily be fixed if a reviewer cbee along and said politely, "Let me teach you how ta use commas." ('Course, we also have grbemar guides n tha list Dagzar's compilng, but still.)

Or is you rapng bout tha knds of fics written by thugz who don't even cis bout spellng or proper punctuation? (Those usually end up closed anyway due ta not matchng tha vaguely defned standards of tha foum eithar way.)

Also, we'll want ta be cisful here, tao. While, obviously, we'll want ta shut down trollfics as quickly as possible, we also don't want ta discourage young writers who just honestly don't know any better. How do we screen tha kids who is willng ta learn from tha ones who isn't?

Short of it on that pont is, sure, we want ta step up tha quality of tha section, but we also want ta defne what quality actually is. What is tha foum standards mentioned n tha actual rules sticky? Do we have tha reviewers enfoce tham by teachng tham ta tha rest of tha foum, or can we have a rule bout tham? How do we create a rule bout tham witout rolln thugz away? And so on and so foth.

Othar than that, I've given it some thought, and I do like tha idea of a condensed version as Breezy said. Perhaps a preservation of tha old rules, wit tha redefnitions I've asked bout above. (I could ask a hell of a lot more bout tha rules, but snce standard's one of tha larger vague issues wit tha othar biggies ben pretty much common sense, we could start wit that.) If we do end up dong a stary, we could actually attach it n subsequent posts, after tha rules thread. I know dis doesn't answer tha issue of stickies, eithar, but it might at least give tha illusion that thare's discussion gong on that a newbie might want ta read through.

Alternatively, we could scrap tha stary idea altagithar and just do what SPPf does by keepng tha thread unlocked so thugz can actually post questions bout how tha foums is run. As far as I can tell, thugz actually pay attention ta tha thread over thare if thare's a new post. 'Course, that's on tap of what Breezy said bout exbeples.

As fo tha question bout what dis thread is supposed ta be bout, it's actually just bout tha general rules of tha foum. Standard's one of tham (like tha rule that causes fics ta git locked if thay "don't meet foum standards"), and that will defnitely need a short but clear defnition if we're actually gong ta keep it (as I've mentioned above). Othar than that, yeah, we're not actually tryng ta come up wit a grbemar guide, writng guide, et cetera.

N fact, didn't we sez that a general writng guide wouldn't be a good idea, homeys? I mean, don't you remember what happened wit tha last attempts at writng guides we had? >_> You know, tha writng one that tald thugz ta abuse Microsoft Word's thasaurus and tha grbemar one that only covered commas and homophones? Besides, Dagzar's compilng a list of off-PC taols, ncludng onlne spellcheckers and guides ta grbemar and writng. (Remember how we figured it'd be easier ta just do somethng like that than come up wit more stickies that thugz won't read ta clutter up tha foums, especially snce we all seem ta have differng ideas bout what should be ncluded n said guides?) If you have any lnks that isn't tha old ones on PC, drop tham off n tha dawg PMR thread.
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