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—————————The official discussion of LeagueShipping—————————


THE NEW OFFICIAL DiSCUSSION ABOUT THE RELATIONSHIP OF ASH AND RITCHIE



What is LS?
- Relationship between Ash and Ritchie that began in the 80th episode in the Indigo League



-He was seen in 9 episodes, 6(80-82/ 220-222) in original anime and 3 in Pokémon chronicles. He was also in the manga "Electric Tale of Pikachu"







I PRIMARY WANTED TO OPEN THIS THREAD AT SEREBII FORUMS BUT IT WAS CLOSED COZ THEY DONT TOLERATE DEBATING, I HOPE I CAN MAKE LEAGUESHIPPING MORE POPULAR HERE

I make this thread coz I havent found any official thread about leagueshipping, I wondered why its not here but it is how it should be. Im true leagueshipper and would lead a general discussion thread at its best, Im not that fakeshipper who supports several shippings, I only support LEAGUESHIPPING since there is no evidence that any other shipping(only connected to ash) can be so true as leagueshipping, I only registered here to tell the facts about leagueshipping and what its all about, coz I wanna share the facts that there cant be a better match for Ash than Ritchie, I study leagueshipping since july 08, it changed my life in extreme way, Pokémon showed me the way of friendship I always desired, it unblinded me and showed what I have missed, and what other people miss and maybe some people are still blind and dont see what Pokemon showed me, I dontk now how other people are. Leagueshipping has much to do with my personal life, theres an issue with my best friend, I dont wanna go into this issue except that I tell that Ritchie symbolizes my best friend, he looked like him when he was the same age(same hair color, same smile, same face edges...), now I cant tell more about this, I feel forced to write this otherwise nobody here would know what leagueshipping means. Leagueshipping belongs to my life and I think much about it everyday(I think more only about my best friend), although its not real but it showed me that I missed, you must read all the text or you wouldnt understand leagueshipping, I only want to represent facts.






Open the spoilers on your own risk, I recommend to read them all but its your decision if you really want to read them, by reading them you agree that it was your own fault if you got upset about what i said. I spoiled stuff because otherwise thread would become too long.





MY PERSONAL INFORMATiON
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Im 19, male, I have knowledge that you cant have and I have God given gifts that you also cant have, this allows me to see more than a normal person sees, I know what others dont know, this you must know. There are facts about me that you dont need to know now coz it wouldnt contribute to the thread. I lead the official leagueshipping channel on youtube with the best leagueshipping videos youtube.com/ultimatecoastersinc , who wants to know more about me can visit whatgodwantsyoutoknow.tk , Im the best psych on the world and Im heterosexual(but im not into females) but I know more about homosexuality than a homosexual himself, since the mid of the May I really understand what homosexuality is. Why I explain here teh homosexuality is coz I saw in the old thread "who is the man in satohiro relationship", and I just have to tell teh truth about it. Ill tell what homosexuality is in short form:



MY PERSONAL INFORMATiON 2]
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In the beggining God chose heterosexuality as the main sexuality coz of the oneness between the genders due to the huge difference between them and coz of reproduction, later when sin came it was able to become gay due to a genetic defect(sin has to do much with genetics), this doesnt mean that it was a real homosexuality coz the homosexuality can imitate heterosexuality and it isnt then a real homosexuality, it imitates heterosexuality if 2 same genders have different positions in relationship, 1 is dominant and 1 is feminine, this is no what homosexuality is, this is just an imitation of heterosexuality. To keep the real homosexuality both partners must freely abstain from the dominance, they are 2 males and not 1 female and 1 male so there may not be any "husband" dominance, who doesnt abstain from this cant enjoy real homosexuality, nor can heterosexuals also enjoy that what homosexuals enjoy. The perfect mix of homosexuality is best friendship and love, best friendship keeps the dominace from the relationship( that is found in heterosexuality), same gender fits better than opposite gender, this is an undeniable fact, nobody can disprove me(Im best psych I told), homosexuality is better than heterosexuality, its more natural, everything what you need to know about homosexuality is on my website(the bottom stuff). I must add that there is a law of heterosexuality and we are under this law, this law makes us to like the opposite gender and it's purpose is for oneness and reproduction only, for nothing else, if we all would be born bisexual then we would rather choose from same gender than other gender and so the heterosexuality would become the homosexuality(coz homosexuality isnt widespread as hetrsx.). Im also under this law and cant escape this although I recognized that I was born with some homosexuality(like 15%), but heterosexuality was my dominant part, these who are born fully homosexual(there is either a real homosexuality or not real(the not real hmsxlty. contains that what contains heterosexuality, especially the "dominant-passive" part)) are born so coz of the defect gene, it was supposed to be everything heterosexual when god planned the world, the homosexuality is a result of sin although its better than heterosexuality and heterosexuality is sick and not natural, its a result of sin coz we're meant to be all heterosexual, and God knows that homosexuality is the right way but for the reproduction sake's.....male and female are too diferent and are opposite, this was one of the reasons why God chose male and female to become 1... there are many that follow not the real homosexuality but there are also that follow the real homosexuality if they are homosexual. You become homosexual if you fall in love with person of the same gender(but there are also other variations of hmsxlty.), naturally it happens if its ur best friend or stuff. If the best friendship is(or was before) involved in the relationship then it makes the relationship more alive and natural, the main point is that homosexuality doesnt have dominance. I know this is new to you but its the truth, there are also several variations of homosexuality, they all have in common that they dont have the dominance(i refer to the old thread where vote poll was: who is the man in satohiro relationship?), if you would have my knowledge you would know how unnatural the heterosexuality is, if you dont accept this then you are blinded by the heterosexuality. What attracts gender to opposite gender is the curiosity for another gender, same gender is a happier relationship than a heterosexual, it has the trust in the same gender and knowledge what the person is gonna to have when he/ she chooses to be with the same gender partner together, its the trust in the own gender.

WARNING: this is an outdated version, to see the actual version of homosexuality visit my website. SO DONT TAKE THIS WHAT UVE READ TOO SERIOUSLY. but its almost the same.

And coz of this we can see that male-female relationships in Pokémon that have Ash inthere dont have a chance to become true or its obvious enough that Ash dont have real interest in girls, he sees them only as friends, without serious ulterior motives.



Ive registered on this forum for Leagueshipping purpose only, Ive read the rules(several rules), I hope I dont broke something, but even if I broke then dont remove this thread, give me that infraction points.

Plz obey the rules.
(I dont know which rules exactly but some of them, just make sure that this thread wont be closed because of spam)

Personal quote:
Im so into leagueshipping coz it makes methink about my best friend, hes like ritchie and i never met a cuter boy than him, i never met someone that looks so similar to ritchie, my best friend is "my ritchie", i searched for him so long. im passionate about LS, ash and ritchie remind me of me and my best friend

I never supported any other shipping(that involved ash), I was born into Leagueshipping, this is the first shipping I met, it changed my life.(i met it in jul 08)

(some parts may be incomplete in this thread)


!!! ALL HINTS ARE FROM DIFFERENT SOURCES .!!!

Ritchie's relation to Ash:

...........▼ click to open it.
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I saw all episodes where Ritchie was and of course I watched the EP80-82 several times. Ritchie and Ash feel comfortable with each other due to their personalities that fit together, their characters is almost the same and this makes it attractive to their relationship, they have the friendship that I always wanted to have, they always have passion for each other when they met, I cant believe that nobody sees that, there is something that doesnt need words coz you can feel it. Because Ritchie had almost same personality as Ash it was easy for them to become best friends, there is almost nothing to describe(except some characteristics) coz he is like Ash, when Ritchie first met Ash he saw the kindness of Ash and that his personality matches with Ash's, due to the fact that they were on the same wavelength they wanted to be together, they are soul mates and they understood it at the beginning. Ritchie is the best friend Ash can imagine I guess, I have that friend that is like Ritchie. Ritchie likes to make common things with Ash like promises.........


ONE FACT: there wasnt much time for Ash and Ritchie, otherwise Leagueshipping would dominate Pokemon and other shippings would be disproved, if Ritchie would travel so much time as Misty then Leagueshipping would be canon(and the only shipping), due to the little time between them its undefined if its canon.



WHY IS RiTCHIE ASH'S BEST FRIEND

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-Together forever is Ritchie's personal song, listen to the lyrics of the song and you will see why Ritchie is Ash's best friend, it describes the relationship between Ash and Ritchie
-Ash never had so much fun and felt so great friendship in such little time as in EP80-82, nowhere in the anime does he repeat this with any other person but Ritchie
-Ash forgets about everything(i dont mean pikachu) when he is together with Ritchie(ep80, sleepover- stars night)
-Ash and Ritchie are always shown together in the anime(Ritchie is either on the left side or right side of him, EP220-222; ep80-82)
-They both feel the friendship passion for eath other(EP80, after they landed with pokemon; ep220 at the begining)
-He has never looked into someone's eyes that long(even with "wavy" eyes)(EP80, at the end; when they shaked hands) it wasnt seen anywhere in the anime again.
-Ash loved Ritchie's eyes otherwise he wouldnt have looked in them for so long :p (ep80)
-Ash had wavy eyes, he never had such wavy eyes in whole anime as in episodes where Ritchie was.
-Ash felt terrible that he had to fight against his best friend, he never felt it for someone else who he knows longer(and because he knows a person longer, this person should actually be a better friend than Ritchie but Ash knew Ritchie only a short time and he felt terrible that he had to fight against him, it means that he considered Ritchie as the closest friend, better than Misty or someone else because nobody fits to Ash better than Ritchie) (EP81, begining)
-Ash would do anything for Ritchie(ep81 Ash would never miss the GREATEST FIGHT he ever had)
-Ash promised to have the GREATEST BATTLE of his life(or best they ever had) with Ritchie
-Ash never made so much promises with someone else(in this short time; it means that he wanted to have something in common with Ritchie)(ep81-82)
-Ash never treated a boy this way as Ritchie in the whole anime (there is no boy in the anime that was treated by Ash so friendshiplikely like Ritchie) (mostly ep80-82)
-He cant get enough of shaking Ritchie's hand(ep80-82; overall he shaked 3 1/2 times his hand(only in 3 episodes); this was never seen in the anime; another handshake is seen in the original japanese opening of the 2nd season, it makes 4 1/2 shakes) 3 shakes and 1 pinky swear, and then there have to be something in episodes 220-222 so that there can be more hand shakes.
it does mean they want to have body contact
-Ash had also same stars on his pokeballs as Ritchie(even same color) in DP010.
- At the end of the season 1 the dub says: "....our hero won a life long friend..." that means that Ritchie is his best friend forever.
-There is a hint in chronicles ep18 at the sky, when Ritchie is talking about Ash, screenwriters have to put always subliminal signs into pokemon to show that Ash and Ritchie belong together otherwise the show would be cancelled for promoting homosexuality.




WHY iS ASH RITCHIE'S BEST FRIEND

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-Ritchie likes to make common things with Ash like promises.
-Ash is the only best friend Ritchie knows
-They both feel the friendship passion for eath other
-Everything from "WHY IS RITCHIE ASH'S BEST FRIEND" applies also to Ritchie
-They both cant get enough of shaking hands
-After their battle, Ash became sad because he lost so easily. Ritchie noticed it and ran over to Ash. When Ash re-confirms that he won, Ritchie seemed more sad then happy about it, probably because he felt sorry for Ash.
(http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Shipping:LeagueShipping)
-He finds him cute, I assume Ritchie is more a lil bit homosexual than Ash is.



WHY HAD RiTCHIE TO GO

-He never had a reason to go, and so he didnt say GOODBYE because the creators of the storyboard didnt want that people would suspect Ritchie and Ash to be gay, they just removed him against his own will, Ash wanted to keep him.

(my first thought: he had to go coz otherwise they would turn gay(what people consider as inappropriate))

If Ritchie would be with Ash then series wouldnt focox on the pokemon but on their relationship.

I found out(I rewatched today episodes 220-222) that Hiroshi will return, Ash said to him that he'll see him "later".

WHAT WOULD HAPPEN iF HE WOULD TRAVEL WITH ASH

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-Then in episode 88 they would still be in Pallet town and having a relationship together, they would probably turn gay and what they will do is not appropriate coz of the homophobia;(censorship) other shippings wouldnt exist; Misty would probably go to her Gym or whereever she lives because she knows that she cant get Ash, Brock would be jealous because he doesnt have a girlfriend, Delia will welcome Ritchie as son in law, Gary will probably turn jealous and will chase his aim to be pokemon master, in episode 94 they probably would start again to collect badges and then together participate in the league.



MiSTY WAS JEALOUS BECAUSE ASH HAD BETTER CONNECTION TO RITCHIE THAN TO HER

...........▼ CLICK TO SEE WHAT POKESHIPPERS DONT WANT YOU TO KNOW, very serious stuff
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-When Ritchie is around Ash(and Ritchie is his best friend for life) then he gives a **** about Misty(as he actually always does)

-Actually Ash said goodbye to Richie, and Richie said goodbye to Pikachu….maybe Richie doesn’t like/didn’t want to say goodbye to his (boy)friend coz he didnt want to leave him

-In ep 273 misty said: well ash ketchum, finally i know what you feel about me. Then they separated. She finally recognized that he only likes her as friend, not as girlfriend. the whole pokeshipping has collapsed. Ash is not into misty, this is fact.

-Misty is too old for Ash, she got no tits, she is too big for him- that can never turn out good. Ritchie is perfect for Ash, hes same age and same height. Brock and Misty fit together, he is old she is old, both without lover.

Quote originally posted by bulbapedia:
Misty constantly yelled at and insulted Ash through out the show, and is an example of the hiding of feelings for children of that age, however depending on how much older they have gotten since they had met, this may or may not be a very big clue.
-If Ritchie would travel with Ash so long as Misty with Ash then they would probably become a couple because in the episodes 80-82 it couldn't get any better with Ritchie, they already had the best what they could have(he never had that with misty), if we multiply this with 30 then it will be 90, and we can imagine what would happen if Ritchie would travel with him for 90EPs, it already has its success with these only 3 Eps but with 90 they would become a couple, he hadnt that success with misty in 90 episodes.
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no we didn't mention this at the stadium, but you did mention her being jealous from the phone call. Anyways, that does make perfect sense though that Misty was probably feeling jealous. Honestly throughtout the whole Indigo-Richie arc Misty pretty much became a secondary character who only appeared to disturb things, and considering the fact that the last time she had talked/seen Ash (up to this scene), he was running off to go meet someone that had been been mean to her. Misty's not stupid, she would have seen the connection that Ash and Richie made during their time together (and doesn't in the manga she comment on their relationship?). She was probably very sub-concious and angry at that point (we all know Misty can be pretty hot-headed), so she decided to take it all out on poor Richie... :~)
-If Ritchie would stay to long as Misty then you know what? That uncontrollable anger-management issued psychopathic wanna be girlfriend wouldnt even have a 0,0001 % of a chance to be with Ash together, the blind people(ash x misty fetishists) just only use the HER LONG TIME WITH ASH AS AN EXCUSE for the mini chances of their shipping(if there are actually any at all..), IF RITCHIE WOULDNT GO THEN YOUR AND OTHER SHIPPINGS WOULD NEVER EXIST, its all because of the long time that these characters spend with Ash, btw Ritchie is a smarter person than Misty and if they had to fight for Ash then Ash would choose Ritchie.

-MISTY HATES ASH, SHE SAID IN EP242:
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Now, however, they still have a small problem; they are completely lost in the woods. Of course, Misty blames it on Ash as usual and insults him by saying she liked him a whole lot better when he was still a Pikachu.
Misty is a selfish wanna be water pokemon trainer, Ritchie would never say this.

-Misty is more jealous of Ritchie than Gary, she considers Ritchie as a competitor for Ash's heart.

-Delia likes Ritchie more than Misty, she said more cute things to Ritchie than to Misty, actually women like an yaoi relationship thats why they write so much of them.

-If she so loves him as few claim then she could just tell it to Ash but she didnt because she doesnt love him, maybe she does but he doesnt love her, thats for sure.

-MISTY IS IN LOVE WITH BROCK OTHERWISE SHE WOULD LET HIM ALONE WITH NURSE JOY OR WHO EVER. SHE IS ALSO JEALOUS THAT SHE CANT GET A BOYFRIEND AND SO SHE IS DEPRESSED AND ANGRY ALL THE TIME, SHE ATTACKED RITCHIE PHYSICALLY BECAUSE OF HER ANGER MANAGEMENT ISSUES AND JEALOUSY, she indeed had many boyfriends(2 of them are danny in EP093 and RUDY from EP103) and Ash is just a toy for her, good that Ash doesnt understand that this beast only plays with him.



not confirmed fact
Spoiler:

Ash ONLY NEEDS RITCHIE

-Ash would choose Ritchie if he had to travel only with 1 person


-Friendship is stronger than a relationship with a woman, Ash would choose Ritchie if he had to. (he can get from Ritchie friendship and relationship, from Misty only relationship, she is a woman and only good friendships are only done with the same gender).

-Misty is a tomboy and feminist, she likes dominance.

- When melody kissed Ash, Misty got jealous and then when Melody asked if she is his gf and then she said no, so she is confused disordered, any normal human would punch Melody for the kiss but instead of that Misty then even refuses to call herself a girlfriend. There is a psychological abnormality connected to sexual errection that makes u horny if u suffer pain(misty had to watch how ash was kissed) from refusing of what you like, there are many variations of this. The refuse part is where you get horny. Misty had this abnormality, it can be found in many persons. Its in the power of one movie. Plz consider love sickness as one of Misty's disease.

-Again Misty refuses to be called Ash's gf, in ep269 when Missy asks her if shes Ash's gf then Misty says:"ahh no, Im his coatch". She doesnt want to be his girlfriend no matter what Misty song says, she is just confused, thats all.

-If Ash and Misty are meant to be together then they would be a couple before Misty is gone but they never were.

-3Shi cant exist, Ritchie had never something to do with Gary, thats just some female's phantasies.

-Gary never showed interest in Ash, Ritchie is the only one who really cared about Ash, there is no other person in the whole anime who can be compared to Ritchie
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gary is just not tha good as ritchie, its only just coz they grew up together, if ritchie would have been grew up with ash then ash would like more ritchie than he does gary


THE POiNT OF THEIR PROMISE

-When Ritchie and Ash met they wished to stay together forever and travel together(i assume, they didnt think about to fight against each other) but when Ash had to choose his opponent he unfortunately chose Ritchie, both were shocked about it, to balance out this loss(they had to fight against each other) that was in their way of friendship, Ritchie meant to make the best out of their remained time that they had, he wanted a promise that would go along with their lives: the best battle they ever had, it was the only thing that could save them out of this shocked position because this battle they would remember all their life long and then remember of their best friend(ash/ ritchie), because Ash was hinderned by team rocket he tried anything to come to the most important battle of his life, the only thing to glorify his friendship to Ritchie. Ritchie also tried anything to make Ash able to battle against him when Ash didnt appear. On the another day Ritchie wanted to make another promise because they had their battle and they need now another promise that will last for the time of their life so that they can remember each other because Ritchie knew that he will go away and so they need a thing to remember each other.

-Otherwise it would be hard for Ritchie to go without a battle or something else what he could do with Ash that would be remembered for the REST OF THEIR LIVES.


Ash's relation to Ritchie:

-Ash hides his soft side behind the tough i-wanna-be-pokemonmaster attitude, he feels same as Ritchie but he isnt so plain as Ritchie who doesnt fear to show emotions, Ritchie is more sensible than Ash although they are both sensible but Ash doesnt show this well, Ritchie also thinks reasonable and is probably a cancer in the zodiac wheel.........

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Im a male and I perceive the relationship between them more accurate then females, because they are males and I should know better what is going on between them, Im also in such relationship.

The truth is that they arent in love, its rather a deep best friendship with an ecxtiting desire for more of the friendship, if they would continue in that way then they would end up in love but they arent in love. Maybe they hide something deep in themselves what we cant see, especially Ritchie is hiding and he has a desire for Ash, he also wanted to meet Ash first, Ritchie may be a 1/3 homosexual. What females perceive as love when they see Ash and Ritchie holding hands or something is not really a love, its rather a desire for more body contact, they are not fully in love. If a male falls in love with a male then its something that you would see, Ash and Ritchie would want to be together all these 3 days if they were in love. Though its weird coz they were best friends and they didnt sleep together although best friends cant be separate.They were in a pre-love phase but they didnt fall in love, they acted too "like-people-that-arent-in-love". Its more complicated and females think that between males the relationship is simple.

Today I found out that Ritchie is a lil bit homosexual and so he found Ash cute enough to want to be his best friend, and so he didnt felt ashamed to jump on Ash's back(and he wanted to jump on his back), I was born like 15% homosexual so that I know sometimes I found some males cute and I wanted to be best friend with them, but it happened rare so that this is only an exception, and through this conclusion I knew that Ritchie is more gay than Ash, I think they are both a lil bit gay but dont want to admit it but deep inside they know that they are some homosexual.

If Ash would kiss Ritchie for real then Ritchie wouldnt resist, If Ritchie would kiss Ash then Ash would be shocked but then he wouldnt resist.(but he would resist if somebodys watching) They feel attracted to each other. However I dont know if homosexuality means that if soembody falls in love with a boy or doesnt fall in love with a boy but feel a lil bit attracted to some males... What if Im in love with a boy, dont like females(on own will) and dont feel attracted to other males....(im not in love but i just said that)


(personal quote) why yaoi is interesting for women? coz they can fantasize there and its the opposite gender and they find it cute, the same is with males, they like it in sexual way if 2 females make out although its a lesbian stuff.

that doesnt mean that females understand yaoi better than males, they just can better phantasize due to the fact that they phantasize on the opposite gender.


...........▼ CLICK TO SEE MORE, A LOT MORE (Melody:"...well then you must be his(Ash's) girlfriend?", Misty:"Hah, gross!!".)
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-Creators of the eipsode 80 made it on purpose that the stars twinkled in the night, they want to show that Ash and Ritchie are destined to be together forever.

-When the camera pans up to the top floor the instrumental music TOGETHER FOREVER starts to play, could this be a foreshadowing of what was to come?

(together forever song - only for 2 persons)

(my best friends song - more than 2 persons)

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Ash then decides to run after Team Rocket's van and Richie to Ash's surprise follows him. (Together Forever, hmmm?)
why is he following him??
-Richie then suggests that the only way to catch up to Team Rocket would be to go down the mountain, and Ash being Ash says ok, and runs down the mountain. Richie follows Ash only so that Ash doesn't end up dead by running off the cliff and has to jump on top of him so Ash can slow down. Ritchie said him on purpose that it's the only way to get TR because he wanted to jump on Ash's back.

-Ash also starts to get depressed and Richie comforts him by saying that together they’ll find team rocket and get their pokemon back. (together forever- hints)

-Clearly Richie wanted Ash to talk to him, because his random laugh was just that; random especially since he was making pokemon shapes from the stars. Ash got his interest in it.
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Richie tells Ash to connect “those two bright ones…” (Remember that because it will come in handy later) with a few others to create a Pikachu. The two then talk about how much they love pokemon and their dreams for the future. The camera then pans up to the sky where two bright stars show up and shine before fading away. (Now this is the most cutest and Leagueshipping signs because two bright stars were also used to make the one pokemon that both boys love and are most associated with, and the fact that they show up after both boys were talking about their hopes and dreams for the future - which include some pretty big plans - indicating that they both want to be two bright stars in their careers/lives (they did start talking about the sky after all), as well as the fact that they are meant for each other, just combines into a very romantic scene.)
Ritchie could take another elevator since he knew that this one was overcrowded(and he had nothing to do anyways) but he wanted to be with Ash, he ran to it so he wouldnt miss it. Ritchie then sees Pikachu and asks who it belongs to
Richie then sees Pikachu and asks who it belongs to...AS IF HE DIDN'T ALREADY KNOW. Clearly he was determined to strike up a convo with Ash right away. And he even says "You're very lucky" he said that because he wanted to pay Ash a compliment without being so obvious. He compliments Ash immediately, telling him he raised his Pikachu well. Ash gets all modest and shy. Misty even says, "It looks like you're rubbing Pikachu the right way!" Ritchie knew how to handle a pikachu because he has one and he used his experience to learn Ash.
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**It seems quite suspicious how Richie comes running up, asking them to hold the elevator door open. I myself have been in situations similar. When I thought a guy was hot, I would make excuses for being near him, at least so I could check him out up close.
-A lot people say that Ritchie is a lot like Ash in the fact that both of their Pikachus dont stay in the poke ball but when Ritchie first met Ash, Leon was in his ball, its because he wanted to hide his own pikachu so he could pretend like he doesnt have own pikachu but still knows how to rub it right, so Ash will get confident with Ritchie, he wanted to interact with Ash.
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**While the power is out, Richie immediately comes up with a plan...which requires Ash's Pikachu. As we all know, Richie has his own Pikachu...but once again he wants further contact with Ash. Ash is all to eager to hand over his Pikachu for whatever Richie has in mind.
-Oak sometime tells that Gary is Ash's best friend but he says this because he didnt know what happaned between Ash and Ritchie in Ep80 where they were together, Oak doesnt have a clue.


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Richie (who is smarter than Ash) KNEW that the stars looked like an Onix; but instead of telling Ash "Hey, there's an Onix", he asked him "What pokémon do you see when you link those stars?"...Richie wanted Ash to think about it!!!!!! <3
He's so intelligent <3 specially when it comes to sex xDD
Onix looked like a penis.
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When they end up trapped in the truck and are going to die xD, Ash decides that he can't die without telling Richie something cute, so he tells him that he likes Happy xDD
-Ash gave up looking for his pokemon at night when Ritchie convinced him to stay over night, HE NEVER DID IT IN THE ANIME ELSEWHERE, Ash and Ritchie thought that their priority was to be together, ALONE (with no pokémon or people around), in the middle of nowhere
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Ash would *never* have given up looking for his Poikemon any other time. And considering the gravity of the situation...those two have a very sweet and touching time together. It's like...all the cares in the world vanished while they were together.
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And I also think Ash probably loves Pikachu just as much, cause he keeps it out of its Pokeball all the time, and he would never ever let Team Rocket steal Pikachu. He'd do ANYTHING to get it back.
but he gave up looking for pikachu, so he really must like ritchie to give it up.
-Everytime in front of Misty and Brock when Ash and Ritchie meet then Ritchie always runs away quick when he had the conversation with Ash, its because he gets an errection and doesnt want to see others that he is errected.
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Now we all know that Ash isn’t the sharpest crayon in the box, but even he should have realized that all Richie said was I want to tell you something about Pikachu and not show you, which means he could have said it over the phone. Clearly Ash was going to see Richie and nothing more. Creators wanted to show that he was interested in Ritchie.
-Ash RAN to Ritchie because he wanted to see him A.S.A.P.(ep 81)
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maybe they'll have more time before the battle.
-Ash was colder with Ritchie in EP220 because he didnt wanted that somebody would suspect that he is gay(but they had also no time together so this reason is more plausibble)
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In Kanto they were the sweetest thing ever with each other, and Misty and Brock had to suspect. In Johto he decided not to be *so* sweet with Richie when the others were around, so the others wouldn't suspect when Richie and him weren't around
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When Richie leaves ("Seeya!") Deliah comments, "What a sweetie!" Prof. Oak says, "Very MATURE for a boy his age." Which then leads Misty to jab Ash by saying, "Unlike a certain OTHER trainer we all know". Ash's reaction to that is just ADORABLE.

Ash didnt understand what Misty meant because he was worried that Ritchie left, he was sad when Ritchie gone[size=1]
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At Team Rocket's phony Pokeball inspection (which was one of Team Rocket's more amusing ploys, btw) Ash immediately spies Richie, smiles, and just HAS to talk to him again. Richie runs over, all happy. Ash says, "I'm glad to see ya!" THEY JUST SAW EACH OTHER LESS THAN FIVE MINUTES AGO yet they act like it's been a lifetime! Way adorable!
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**Them running down the hill together was funny, and when Richie jumps on top of Ash to stop him was...well dodgy. Screen caps, anyone? LOL. Richie saves Ash from running off a cliff, and Ash pushes him, which seemingly hurts Richie's feelings. Pretty emotional for a boy you just met, eh Richie?
-He felt closeness to ash otherwise he wouldnt jump on him

-This was the first time a boy has ever laid that way on Ash's back...it was probably bringing all sorts of new revelations/sensations to him.
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*Now they are camped out, around a fire...under the moon. Ash apologizes twice to Richie for pushing him earlier. He feels incredibly bad about it. Richie seems shocked, but quickly accepts the apology. Ash then smiles and tells Richie he should be careful, like when he ran out in front of Team Rocket's van. Richie quickly points out Ash did it too. Ash finishes the convo by saying, "I guess we're just a couple of Pokemaniacs!" Richie replies, "Guess so!" Then...Ash looks at Richie with a big smile...and Richie quietly looks at him with a smile. They linger on this a moment before cutting to the moon. It's actually quite romantic.
ppl who like each other like to apologize(only happens to best friend), I know it from my own emotions..
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**We then cut to the two lying under the stars. Richie giggles and Ash asks him what he's doing. Richie teaches Ash how to find Pokemon by connecting stars. The first one he connects is an Onix. Gee...*that's*...like...the most phallic Pokemon ever. Ironic, huh? The second is, of course, Pikachu. The coupling undertones are in full swing, as Richie and Ash talk about how they both really love Pokemon. The two continually look at each other, while lying right next to each other in their sleeping bags. Seriously, Ash *never* sleeps right next to Brock or Misty while camping out. And he never has sweet conversations with them. This is new territory for Ash, all the way.
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**When it's over, Richie says "Don't thank me...thank Pikachu!" What does Ash say IMMEDIATELY after this? "THANK YOU!!!" Once again, ADORABLE.
why should he say thx twice for no reason
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maybe Richie doesn’t like/didn’t want to say goodbye to his (boy)friend so he said it to Pikachu (remember those Pikachu references from ‘A Friend in Deed’) instead
-When Ash had to battle his best friend...
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It's different because his rival is his new love <3 and he doesn't want to hurt his pokémon or anything (or lose his love, for that matter xD).
................He must have been moping at that window for hours. Ash, while a kind and friendly guy, is rather selfish when it comes to Pokemon training. It was, technically, out of character for him to obsess over this at all....let alone for such a time. When Ash had to battle Misty, he was shocked at first, but then quickly became determined to beat her with no objections. The Silver Conference...his battle with Gary...is the only time Ash ever introverted like this. Although, Ash didn't get sad and depressed, he just got rather quiet and wonderous.
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Richie’s stats- The only thing that gets Ash out of his depression, "something about Richie"
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When they knew they were going to fight each other, it was afternoon, and now it's night. So, Ash has been thinking about Richie THE WHOLE DAY!
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He and Hiroshi share the same dream. He didn't want to have to battle someone who was exactly like him and probably tear that dream from him. It was the first time he'd ever had any kind of major battle with a friend, especially someone who's like him
when misty enters the stadium and stamps on richie's foot, i thought that maybe she was feeling a bit jaleous of richie. i mean, maybe it wasn't just the phone call...
Anyways, that does make perfect sense though that Misty was probably feeling jealous. Honestly throughtout the whole Indigo-Richie arc Misty pretty much became a secondary character who only appeared to disturb things, and considering the fact that the last time she had talked/seen Ash (up to this scene), he was running off to go meet someone that had been been mean to her. Misty's not stupid, she would have seen the connection that Ash and Richie made during their time together (and doesn't in the manga she comment on their relationship?). She was probably very sub-concious and angry at that point (we all know Misty can be pretty hot-headed), so she decided to take it all out on poor Richie... :~)She senses she has competition for Ash's heart. Misty then tells Ash, "Prince Charming wants to talk to you!" I swear, Ash practically floats to the phone, VERY quickly. It was if he was awaiting the call. Misty storms off grumbling, "I should have known he was too good to be true..."

-When they made the promise Ritchie run away somewhere. Ash had wavy eyes, he never had so much wavy eyes as in episodes where Ritchie was.
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Richie goes somewhere and Ash is about to cry again xDD
-When Ash was in trouble, he reminded that promise that they made, Ash
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not the battle, again Richie becomes the top priority over everything and everyone
(It’s also interesting that Ash says “a promise is a promise” referring to Richie and then later when Richie comes back a few seasons later one of the episode titles he’s in is called “A Promise is a Promise.”)
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Misty calls Richie "Prince Charming" <3
Since when has Misty spoken to Richie? Because if we watch "A friend in deed" again, we can't see them talking. So why call him "Prince Charming" if she doesn't know him?
I know why...
SHE'S JALEOUS OF RICHIE <3 Yeah ~~
-when ash lost.........
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Ash started to cry (I love when he cries <3), and Richie WENT RUNNING! to see if he was okay <3
........and ritchie won.......
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Richie is SO in love <3 He doesn't care about his victory (he just won!), no. He's concerned about Ash.
........then........
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But Ash realises that he can't cry in front of Richie (he could feel bad), so he gets "happy" and congratulates him.
-Ash gives a *** about girls.
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Dawn was crying, Ash came over and asked her what was wrong and when she said nothing he asked her if maybe something was in her eye (causing Dawn to give an expression like he's clearly wrong but I'm not going to tell him differently. I know there has to be a word for her expression, but I can't think of it right now) and even though that wasn't the case, she agreed and he changed the subject. That got me thinking, Ash has traveled with enough girls for sooo long, that he should by now be able to at least understand them a little bit. Clearly other than the fact that Ash is a little dim, the main reason why he STILL doesn't understand girls is because he doesn't like them and thus has no reason to understand/care about what they go through.
-Sparky listenes to Ash because he knows that Ritchie and Ash are together(ep82)
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(I love how Sparky listened to what Ash said even though Ash isn’t its trainer.)
-what you shouldnt see was censored.
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it was daylight, exactly what where they doing for there to now be a sunset??) Richie then extends his hand and says: “You really saved us Ash.” In which Ash replies: “No way we did it together.” Also extending his hand out to Richie. (Remember the whole ‘Together Forever’ theme I was talking about from ‘A Friend in Deed?’ Well, here’s more proof, ^
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SEVERAL HOURS must have gone by before it's THIS late in the day. It was bright and sunny during the battle! Hmmmm....I wonder what Ash and Richie were up to during those missing hours.
They continue holding hands when.....you guessed it....MISTY calls out for Ash, interrupting them yet again!
together forever.......
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Ash tells Richie to win "for both of us!" Very cute together!
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what does Ash say as they grab hands? "Mo way! We did it together!" HA! I'll bet they did it together!
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till, we get shots of Ash and Richie enjoying the fireworks together.
-Ritchie is almost called like Ash, its an accident(because Ritchie was called after the former president of Nintendo Hiroshi Yamauchi) and a sign that Ash and ritchie belong together. There is no other person that is called like Ash. (Satoshi - Hiroshi)
-in the manga
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Ash stopped the battle because he didn't want Zippo to get hurt.
Really?!? Wow...that's COMPLETELY out of character for Ash generally. He's incredibly selfish when it comes to Pokemon battles, there *must* be a reason he'd do that. (!!)
-Ash (probably) never did promise to anyone else except Ritchie
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Richie tells Ash, "Let's make a promise! To become Pokemon masters no matter what!"
Ash replies, "Okay, promise!!! Pokemon masters no matter what! POKEMON MASTERS!!!!!" Funny, I don't recall Ash making that promise to anyone else.
-Episodes 80-82 have both have the word "friend" in the title, referencing Ash's ongoing friendship with Ritchie.



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as we saw they didnt become couple but we dont know what happened offscreen
-Relationship between ash and ritchie stands in the foreground
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I mean, they focus more on Richie and how Ash reacts to/with him than they do the Pokemon battles. Luckily, I'm both so I found it to be great! These episodes spawned off not only future Richie appearances (Richie is the ONLY league rival who has reappeared on the show after the league), they spawned off a rather large, large number of Leagueshippers to boot. I loved it.
-Ritchie said in the Chronicles that he wants to visit Ash.
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There is a theory in which when trainers are in love, their Pokemon fall in love. Well in the lake scene, sparkie and Pikachu are clearly making out. Love frolic if I've ever saw one. Sparkie and Pikachu are just projecting what Ash and Richie are feeling. BTW PIKACHU NEVER PLAYED WITH OTHER POKEMON THIS WAY, THIS CONFIRMS THAT RITCHIE AND ASH LEON AND PIKACHU BELONG TOGETHER; HOW CAN U NOT SEE IT U HOMOPHOBES
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Ash looks particularly concerned when he sees Richie unconscious. At the very least, he stays by Richie's side instead of checking on Misty or Brock.

-Richie shows us how much he lives to play matchmaker in the Celebi episode. If he likes to be a matchmaker, why wouldn't he set up Misty and Ash if it wasn't for the fact he is hot for Ash and that he knows/thinks Ash is a MO.
-He tells everywhere about Ash, he has still interest in him and wants to meet him but makers dont let him.
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37. Ash babies his Lavitar more than any other Pokemon he has ever had. Could it be that it reminds him of Richie's Pupitar.




-FOR SOME REASON(maybe special episodes) PEOPLE CALL EP 078-080 AS 080-082, SO IF I WROTE 080-082 then I MEAN FRIEND INDEED till FRIENDS TO THE END (on bulbapedia 078-080).



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PART 2



OTHER STUFF AND LEAGUESHIPPING HINTS

...........▼MANY OTHER STUFF!!!! (Pokemon writers:"Kasumi had to go at the end of season 5 because Ash didn't love her as girlfriend, otherwise she would stay, she put him on a test and she found out that he likes her only as friend")
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Quote originally posted by bulbapedia:
The flashback about the good times Misty spent with her friends is different in both versions: the dubbed English flashback pushes PokéShipping while the original Japanese flashback focuses on Misty's accomplishments as a Pokémon trainer and as a friend, and even ends with a group shot of Ash, Pikachu, Misty, Togepi, Brock, and Tracey (specifically created for this episode). The original flashback plays a really dramatic piece of music, while the dub flashback plays a brand new vocal song:

Goodbye, funny how that's such a hard thing to say. Now it's time to let go but... never thought I'd feel this way.Promised not to be sad but... we both knew I was lying.Gotta fight back the tears cause can't let you see me crying, You're more than just my best friend What makes me misty most of all,In our final curtain call,Is knowing that I won't see you again.(remembers me of ritchie)
-misty may feel something for ash but that doesnt change anything because ash doesnt feel same for her as she for him. and christmasbash is outside of the anime, everything can be made and then traded as evidence that is outside of the anime.

Ash escapes girls - (Another song on the CD called Under the Mistletoe has Misty singing about how she wants Ash to know her feeling for him and about how she wants to meet Ash under the mistletoe. On the other hand, Ash is singing about how he hopes to not to be caught under the mistletoe, although at first he doesn't move away- many fans claim this is shipping from Ash's side. Near the song's end, after leaving Ash feeling paranoid about the mistletoe, Misty has got Ash under the mistletoe. Ash realizes this, freaks out, and runs off to eat more cookies while leaving Misty wondering what his problem is.)
.......what would happen if Ritchie would be there instead misty? would he then run away?

-Ritchie would be better friend than brock and misty together if he would travel with him since begining(or even since 2nd season)

-Ritchie's biological mother could be a nurse joy coz he looks a lil bit like them all.

Really wise post:
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I think if you are a supporter of a particular ship, like say Pokeshipping, Leagueshipping, or Rocketshipping, for example, you're going to put everything under a microscope when the two characters are involved, and "look" for any little thing that could possibly suggest or provide justification for your position. A lot of times, because a person is partial to a particular ship, their view isn't going to be "clear" because they want to see what they believe to be a possibility. When it comes to shippings in Pokemon, I think a lot of people look so hard for "clues" or "hints" that they often take any scene that could qualify as evidence and then try and link it to other "evidence" while throwing in some exaggeration and personal opinion.

I guess what I'm trying to say is people see/hear what they want to see/hear. A supporter of Ash & May might watch a certain scene (such as when Ash comes to the rescue of May in the episode May catches a Bulbasaur or in the episode they spend almost 20 minutes bickering) and see "hints" of potential feelings in how they act towards each other, where as a non-supporter might just say it's what friends do. Another example could be for supporters of Ash & Gary, when Gary gives Ash the other half of the pokeball from their childhood and they hold hands briefly under the moonlight near the lake. Supporters of that ship are going to say it has "romantic undertones" to it, while non-supporters are going to say it's just a sign of them becoming friends. One final example could be the episode Ash catches Tailow, in which we see Ash still carries with him the cloth Misty gave him in "Gotta Catch Ya Later". Supporters of Ash & Misty might point to it as evidence that Ash wanted to always have with him something of Misty's, while non-supporters might say it's just a symbol of their friendship. So as you can see, it all depends on your preference/perspective.

I don't think there is anything wrong with supporting a certain 'ship and sharing your thoughts as to potential evidence as long as you realize someone else could interpret your evidence in an entirely different way. Always be open to what others have to say, because when it comes to shippings in Pokemon, there is very little factual evidence!
Even if its true(and its true), Ash and Gary never had that relationship that satoshi/heroshi have, its just like ritchie is ash's best friend but he doesnt know him for long time, he knows gary from a long time but he doesnt consider gary as a better friend than ritchie, ritchie and satoshi never ever had any hostility against each other and they also never got upset about each other nor did they competed against each other(unlike in the morrison AG episode118), you cant deny this.

Silver from chronicles 018 is the best candidate for the fact that he is the genitor of Ash,
-he was surprised when Ritchie mentioned Ash
-he behaves like Ash
-they both saw a legendary pokemon, moltres is like ho-oh, im not an expert in this stuff so i dont know whats legendary
-Silver+Delia=ash Silver+nurse joy=ritchie

Ritchie said that Ash and him are stubborn so if we count all together all the attributes that they have in common we can conclude that they are cancer in the zodiac wheel, must been born in july/june(due to the horoscope).


Nobody had so much same pokemon of ash as ritchie
Ritchie:
Pikachu, charmander(i mean all evolutions), butterfree,pupitar(larvitar),taillow
ash: pikachu, charmander,butterfree,larvitar(pupitar),taillow

Ritchie knew about team rocket(that they steal pokemon) so he suspected the "pokemon inspectors" to be team rocket. he is the only character in the anime(except officer jenny) that knew team rocket before they stole the character's pokemon. so ash knows and ritchie knows, they are familiar. (ash:"jessie?" ritchie: "hey u look like those guys from team rocket")

Pichu brothers are same as pikachu and sparky, bulbapedia says. its a hint that sparky and pikachu should be together.


proof that gamefreak supports leagueshipping

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(At the end of the same episode, Richie states his intention of meeting up with Ash again in Hoenn. Nobody has ever said that he wants to visit ash except ritchie. i cant remember if it was in the 10th episode of chronicles.)


people who say hes a clone are just afraid of the fact that he is like ash and so they would stay together, nobody is similar to ash than ritchie so they are afraid.

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After Rudy presents Ash with his badge, he gives Misty some flowers, accepting her decision to stay with Ash. More importantly, he says, "I hope you know you're a very lucky guy, Ash." Ash cluelessly replies, "Lucky? What do you mean?" Rudy laughs and says, "You'll see some day." Ash just frowns in confusion. This incident supports the theory that Ash loves Misty, but he doesn't quite realize it yet. This is one of the stronger hints given that Misty and Ash may someday end up together.
oh yeah, dont realize yet? wtf? how dumb do u think are males? again some homophobes in the game? hes mature enough to spend a night with a boy but too dumb to realize that he loves a girl? he doesnt love misty, such bullshít. Oh and shes gone and will never come back, so they wont end up together.
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Jirachi: Wish Maker: On the last day of the comet's showing, Max is disappointed that he will have to part with Jirachi. Ash sits down with him by the river and reassures him that Jirachi will always will be in his heart. Ash tells him, "I had a really good friend, and I miss her every day." Many people would think this would be Misty. However this is in the dub only and can be argued. In the original, he only implies that he had many friends he needed to say goodbye to, not particularly a her.
or he could just refer to ritchie but he never described him as best friend, although we know what they feel. consider the original as the right one.





●GOLDEN RULES OF LEAGUESHIPPING●

● Never support any other shipping that contains Ash, because you cant support whats not true(GOD says: you shall not lie)

●Dont bash other shippings, because we know that Leagueshipping is the only truth and who ever bashes ours, shows that he cant accept the truth that LS is the only truth. Disprove them with facts.

●Support LeagueShipping until you die, never accept anything except Leagueshipping.

●Always believe that Hiroshi will return because he will
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Now don't get me wrong, I'm not homophobic. But this is kind of... disgusting.
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Eeee, This is joke or something, right?? It isn't place for something like that. Make this thread in pokemon group, not here. And we don't support homosexuality. Here are kids too.
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I knew shipping could get strange but this is ridiculous. Can somebody PLEASE lock this?
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Quote originally posted by xXI JOE IXx:
Now don't get me wrong, I'm not homophobic. But this is kind of... disgusting.
truth hurts

Quote originally posted by Semidos:
Eeee, This is joke or something, right?? It isn't place for something like that. Make this thread in pokemon group, not here. And we don't support homosexuality. Here are kids too.
kids should know the truth, heterosexualiy is fake

i wanted to have the exclusive thread, otherwise nobody would payattention

Quote originally posted by xXI JOE IXx:
I knew shipping could get strange but this is ridiculous. Can somebody PLEASE lock this?
u r afraid of the truth, homophobe


u should be banned for spamming

i wont open a lil thread with opinions like somebody did it in 2005 just to make it heterofriendly, i made it at its best and how it should be and i won.
http://www.pokecommunity.com/showthread.php?t=35792&highlight=leagueshipping

dont close this, just ban the spammers

many people are afraid of the fact that between sato and hiro is connection and they are also afraid to admit what they feel for homosexuality, almost everybody has it, lil amount or big amount, im heterosexual and i know what heterosexuals feel.
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just pay attention to the facts, not what i wrote about homosexuality, u read it on ur own risk

IF IT VIOLATES THIS SUBFORUM'S RULES THEN MOVE THIS TO GROUPS, OR IF ITS GONNA BE CLOSED THEN ITS BETTER TO MOVE IT TO GROUPS

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Seriously, Someone please close this.

Also, I support gay rights and stuff, but don't try and stuff your opinions it down peoples throats and flame them if they don't have the exact same way of thinking as you or have a different opinion.

Seriously, grow up.

Edit:Also forgot to mention I also support Yaoi

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Quote originally posted by Usagi-Chan~:
Seriously, Someone please close this.

Also, I support gay rights and stuff, but don't try and stuff your opinions it down peoples throats and flame them if they don't have the exact same way of thinking as you or have a different opinion.

Seriously, grow up.

Edit:Also forgot to mention I also support Yaoi

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they dont have different opinion they just want some facts,
i just confront them with facts, you r mad coz u cant disprove the facts, they all want to remove the facts coz they fear leagueshipping

move it to the groups to save the thread


anyways, nobody can ever disprove what i say


btw what do i stuff in ppl's throats? if this would be a non yaoi shipping u wouldnt spam? it shows homophoby (and fear of the truth)
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Your stuffing the fact that you can't stand that your opinion isn't afact and trying to stuff it down peoples throats if they think otherwise.
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This is just like that never ending question thread, but enough of that.

Not a fan of gay shipping but whatevever. I don't see why everyone keeps flaming him for expressing his opinion. I support gay rights just like Usagi. You can't force someone to agree with your opinion though. Its a right we all have.

EDIT: You are right, however. This does seem to belong in groups. Move, anyone?
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Quote originally posted by Usagi-Chan~:
Your stuffing the fact that you can't stand that your opinion isn't afact and trying to stuff it down peoples throats if they think otherwise.
its fact that

-In ep 273 misty said: well ash ketchum, finally i know what you feel about me. Then they separated. She finally recognized that he only likes her as friend, not as girlfriend. the whole pokeshipping has collapsed. Ash is not into misty, this is fact.

and what i say about homosexuality is scientific truth, its like to offend an african, coz u r caucasian it doesnt make u superior to africans.




Quote originally posted by Izuna:
This is just like that never ending question thread, but enough of that.

Not a fan of gay shipping but whatevever. I don't see why everyone keeps flaming him for expressing his opinion. I support gay rights just like Usagi. You can't force someone to agree with your opinion though. Its a right we all have.

EDIT: You are right, however. This does seem to belong in groups. Move, anyone?
im not into gay rights i just tell what god wants all to know, i wrote about homosexuality to make clear that homosexuality isnt about effeminacy, to inform people that they shouldnt say nonsense as "who is the man in the yaoi relationship"...that sentence even contradicts leagueshipping, sato and hiro arent in love. i wrote it for better understanding of leagueshipping, i joined here to debate(and bash) about leagueshipping, i wanted to disprove pokeshipping but u make it offtopic. here r too few people who r leagueshippers, need more to make people to pay attention at the truth. there are only few leagueshippers, must do something or it will die out.
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Quote originally posted by サトヒロ=カノン:
its fact that

-In ep 273 misty said: well ash ketchum, finally i know what you feel about me. Then they separated. She finally recognized that he only likes her as friend, not as girlfriend. the whole pokeshipping has collapsed. Ash is not into misty, this is fact.

and what i say about homosexuality is scientific truth, its like to offend an african, coz u r caucasian it doesnt make u superior to africans.
Okay, first off

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The more attentive amongst you will probably immediately recognize the disease here: Gary-Stuness, also known as Perfect Person Syndrome.
Ash Ketchum is a GARY STU. While I'm at it, Richie is a GARY STU clone of Ash created for a couple filler episodes. A GaryStu of ill importance.

Stus are impervious to love because they're Stus.

Ash will never be with anyone because Ash is too busy getting badges. v__v;

I mean honestly, people ship him with every girl under the sun but the truth is, he's still like 10, 11, 12 years old. And, like a 10, 11, 12 year old, he's not interested much in love. He's a typical GaryStu boy. He likes Pokemon and badges. Girls? Pfft. Badges are cooler.
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Okay, first off



Ash Ketchum is a GARY STU. While I'm at it, Richie is a GARY STU clone of Ash created for a couple filler episodes. A GaryStu of ill importance.

Stus are impervious to love because they're Stus.

Ash will never be with anyone because Ash is too busy getting badges. v__v;

I mean honestly, people ship him with every girl under the sun but the truth is, he's still like 10, 11, 12 years old. And, like a 10, 11, 12 year old, he's not interested much in love. He's a typical GaryStu boy. He likes Pokemon and badges. Girls? Pfft. Badges are cooler.
what is stu?

i just cite myself:

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And I also think Ash probably loves Pikachu just as much, cause he keeps it out of its Pokeball all the time, and he would never ever let Team Rocket steal Pikachu. He'd do ANYTHING to get it back.
but he gave up looking for pikachu, so he really must like ritchie to give it up.

people who say hes a clone are just afraid of the fact that he is like ash and so they would stay together, nobody is similar to ash than ritchie so they are afraid(coz ritchie is perfect).

gary should be together with brock

i cant understand how others cant see that leagueshiping is just the greatest.... i also dont understand how people can like gary more than ritchie
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Quote originally posted by サトヒロ=カノン:
what is stu?
Here you go. ;D

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A Gary Stu , in literary criticism and particularly in fanfiction, is a fictional character with overly idealized and hackneyed mannerisms, lacking noteworthy flaws, and primarily functioning as wish-fulfillment fantasies for their authors or readers. Perhaps the single underlying feature of all characters described as "Gary Stu" is that they are too ostentatious for the audience's taste, or that the author seems to favor the character too highly. The author may seem to push how exceptional and wonderful the "Gary Stu" character is on his or her audience, sometimes leading the audience to dislike or even resent the character fairly quickly; such a character could be described as an "author's pet".
Basic rundown of the above: If it's too good to be true, it probably is.

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And I also think Ash probably loves Pikachu just as much, cause he keeps it out of its Pokeball all the time, and he would never ever let Team Rocket steal Pikachu. He'd do ANYTHING to get it back.
but he gave up looking for pikachu, so he really must like ritchie to give it up.

people who say hes a clone are just afraid of the fact that he is like ash and so they would stay together, nobody is similar to ash than ritchie so they are afraid(coz ritchie is perfect).

gary should be together with brock

i cant understand how others cant see that leagueshiping is just the greatest.... i also dont understand how people can like gary more than ritchie
Quick question, since when did he give up Pikachu for Ritchie? oO; I understand fandom parings but unless the guys come out and say "HAY ASHxRITCHIE IS OFFICIAL" in the show plotline itself [Like Tidus and Yuna in FFX etc etc] then it's not 100% Official and you're talking hypothesis, not solid theory. oO;

Where's the official declare of love in the anime from Ritchie to Ash or vice versa? Answering my own question. It doesn't exist. Leagueshipping has as much reasoning to it as Pokeshipping which has as much reasoning to it as bacon does to dirt. [Pigshipping?] The reason that ships tend to struggle in the Pokemon Anime Genre alllll goes back to the fact that Ash is a GaryStu. v_v

Quote originally posted by TvTropes:
Common Gary Stu Traits
As far as their traits go, Gary Stu incorporates most of the Common Mary Sue Traits while having quite a few general trends to differentiate him. While the textbook Mary Sue is generally made as a pseudo-realistic ideal of feminine perfection, Gary Stu tends towards taking the Rule Of Cool TO THE EXTREME!! Due in part to the Double Standard, Gary tends to be less of an emotional cornerstone and more just an embodiment of pure physical and mental awesome (ala God Mode Stu). He's the type that tends to be stronger than the The Incredible Hulk, smarter than Bill Nye the Science Guy, faster than Sonic The Hedgehog, and have more MP than Jesus himself.
Ash hardly ever loses, he's always got a pick me up, he's always getting to towns that are several hours BY CAR RIDE apart in SHEER HOURS and yet his feet haven't endured any sort of stress fracture.

If it smells like a Stu
Looks like a Stu
Tastes like a Stu
and BREATHES like a Stu

it's a stu. v_v

StuxNonStu = World Ending
StuxStu = World Exploding
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i just represent hard facts, in the last spoiler somewhere there must be a post that i called "a really wise post"........i act appropriate, leagueshipping must be defended and the truth must come out.
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Quick question, since when did he give up Pikachu for Ritchie? oO; I understand fandom parings but unless the guys come out and say "HAY ASHxRITCHIE IS OFFICIAL" in the show plotline itself [Like Tidus and Yuna in FFX etc etc] then it's not 100% Official and you're talking hypothesis, not solid theory. oO;
i also wrote that its undefined if its canon, if ritchie would stay then leagueshipping would blow other shippings but hes gone and its not that canon.

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Where's the official declare of love in the anime from Ritchie to Ash or vice versa? Answering my own question. It doesn't exist. Leagueshipping has as much reasoning to it as Pokeshipping which has as much reasoning to it as bacon does to dirt. [Pigshipping?] The reason that ships tend to struggle in the Pokemon Anime Genre alllll goes back to the fact that Ash is a GaryStu. v_v
they arent in love but they were close to it, why dont u read the whole thread, there is anything explained....


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I think if you are a supporter of a particular ship, like say Pokeshipping, Leagueshipping, or Rocketshipping, for example, you're going to put everything under a microscope when the two characters are involved, and "look" for any little thing that could possibly suggest or provide justification for your position. A lot of times, because a person is partial to a particular ship, their view isn't going to be "clear" because they want to see what they believe to be a possibility. When it comes to shippings in Pokemon, I think a lot of people look so hard for "clues" or "hints" that they often take any scene that could qualify as evidence and then try and link it to other "evidence" while throwing in some exaggeration and personal opinion.

I guess what I'm trying to say is people see/hear what they want to see/hear. A supporter of Ash & May might watch a certain scene (such as when Ash comes to the rescue of May in the episode May catches a Bulbasaur or in the episode they spend almost 20 minutes bickering) and see "hints" of potential feelings in how they act towards each other, where as a non-supporter might just say it's what friends do. Another example could be for supporters of Ash & Gary, when Gary gives Ash the other half of the pokeball from their childhood and they hold hands briefly under the moonlight near the lake. Supporters of that ship are going to say it has "romantic undertones" to it, while non-supporters are going to say it's just a sign of them becoming friends. One final example could be the episode Ash catches Tailow, in which we see Ash still carries with him the cloth Misty gave him in "Gotta Catch Ya Later". Supporters of Ash & Misty might point to it as evidence that Ash wanted to always have with him something of Misty's, while non-supporters might say it's just a symbol of their friendship. So as you can see, it all depends on your preference/perspective.

I don't think there is anything wrong with supporting a certain 'ship and sharing your thoughts as to potential evidence as long as you realize someone else could interpret your evidence in an entirely different way. Always be open to what others have to say, because when it comes to shippings in Pokemon, there is very little factual evidence!
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What the bloody hell is this?

Ok, you guy with the Japanese username, what in the name of freaking pancake monsters are you DOING?!

You had 3 choices:

1. come over and express this nonsense over at the shipping debates thread and get ignored and maybe get paddled by Jorah

2. Make or join a fanclub of this and probably get laughed for claiming you have "special gifts from gawd", my big freaking size 14 foot and double D girl at me school. Give me a break.

3. Nothing and avoid public humuliation.

BUT, if you were REALLY a civilized 19 year old with sanity and maturity I could tell you to make a quick opinion about Leagueshipping without the gargantuan load of bullcrap, but apparently that cake is a damn big lie. We do not need more morons in this world that have mental problems and think thay have these fakeass abilities and want to defy science get all preachy and screwed up over effing cartoons that control your life like a moron and worst of all dump that pile of crap on the web. And if you are apparently not capable of comrehendin that any bullcrap beyond your opinion lik 99% of your post then you have 0 business anywere in a formal forum.

tl;dr? gtfo
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u r afraid of the truth, homophobe
No, I'm not. The truth is, Ash likes nobody. He is a character in a children's anime series, gayness is never in children's cartoons, I don't have ANYTHING against gay people. I'm not spamming and should not be banned. I'm giving you reasons why your ship is NOT true. If anybody should be banned in this thread it should be you for your awful spelling. Fine, don't have this thread locked, I don't realy care. I'm not coming back to this post, and next time you want to disscus shipping, make a group about it or talk about it in the shipping thread. I just want to say I have nothing against you, but this is quite a silly thread. Bye.
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No, I'm not. The truth is, Ash likes nobody. He is a character in a children's anime series, gayness is never in children's cartoons, I don't have ANYTHING against gay people. I'm not spamming and should not be banned. I'm giving you reasons why your ship is NOT true. If anybody should be banned in this thread it should be you for your awful spelling. Fine, don't have this thread locked, I don't realy care. I'm not coming back to this post, and next time you want to disscus shipping, make a group about it or talk about it in the shipping thread. I just want to say I have nothing against you, but this is quite a silly thread. Bye.
pokeshippers wouldnt say that leagueshipping is true, i would say the same to pokeshippers, there are facts that back up the shippings and we try to do the best out of the facts, i do it loud


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What the bloody hell is this?

Ok, you guy with the Japanese username, what in the name of freaking pancake monsters are you DOING?!

You had 3 choices:

1. come over and express this nonsense over at the shipping debates thread and get ignored and maybe get paddled by Jorah

2. Make or join a fanclub of this and probably get laughed for claiming you have "special gifts from gawd", my big freaking size 14 foot and double D girl at me school. Give me a break.

3. Nothing and avoid public humuliation.

BUT, if you were REALLY a civilized 19 year old with sanity and maturity I could tell you to make a quick opinion about Leagueshipping without the gargantuan load of bullcrap, but apparently that cake is a damn big lie. We do not need more morons in this world that have mental problems and think thay have these fakeass abilities and want to defy science get all preachy and screwed up over effing cartoons that control your life like a moron and worst of all dump that pile of crap on the web. And if you are apparently not capable of comrehendin that any bullcrap beyond your opinion lik 99% of your post then you have 0 business anywere in a formal forum.

tl;dr? gtfo

ur denying science, u r a homophob , i will tell the truth out loud and at one day all will see that ash and ritchie however belong together, even if this would be in the 15th season, leagueshipping has also science on its side, though its only an anime but we cant deny the facts , and i represent how it is.

debating thread is dominated by ppl who started to watch pokemon since DP, its filled with some nonsense that has nothing to do with ash, real shippings wouldnt be tolerated there. and who the fück knows ritchie(greatest character) today? even palletshipping is more popular although leagueshipping is the only that really can be canon.
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This is just...what. What.

And people in the shipping thread have been watching way before DP, what.
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Old September 15th, 2009 (07:52 AM). Edited September 15th, 2009 by サトヒロ=カノン.
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move it to groups.

try now to disprove leagueshipping by pokeshipping advanceshipping the new dp shipping, u cant coz u cant, leagueshipping will always have better facts (and as everybody knows he hates girls).. u cant do nothing

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