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Old October 17th, 2009, 08:53 PM
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I have a question : Currently on my UU/NU team I am using a Meganium as a screen setup and Aromatheraby user, but I have been having thoughts about switching it for a SubSeed(or another Stall Version)Ludicolo, but im not sure if my team would fall apart from me taking off Meganium.
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Old October 17th, 2009, 09:52 PM
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Alright. Do you think this is a well balanced team:
Yanmega (Lead)
Gliscor (Stealth Rock user)
Starmie (Special Sweeper)
Scizor (Revenger Killer)
Salamence (Physical Sweeper)
Mamoswine (Revenge Killer; I have him to hit anything the Scizor can't hit.)
We can't do much without EVs and movesets and such, you're better off just posting a rate-my-team and you'll get a more comprehensive rate \o/

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I'm not really sure how to EV Pokemon. I want to EV my Rotom, and fed it lots of vitamins, but when is the stat boost going to come out? Am I doing it wrong? Thanks!
Each vitamin adds 10 EVs to whichever stat it is for (ex: Calcium adds 10 EVs to your pokemon's special attack stat.) You may not see the stat boost if you don't actually level up your pokemon, but the EVs are still there. Keep in mind you can only give 10 of each vitamin to your pokemon.

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I have a question : Currently on my UU/NU team I am using a Meganium as a screen setup and Aromatheraby user, but I have been having thoughts about switching it for a SubSeed(or another Stall Version)Ludicolo, but im not sure if my team would fall apart from me taking off Meganium.
It really depends on your team, if you need screen support for a particular sweeper or are particularly vulnerable to status, then keep Meganium. Obviously, a subseeder plays a totally different team role, so without knowing what your team is it's hard to decide which would be more beneficial =(
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Old October 17th, 2009, 10:10 PM
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Ok Heres my team at this moment:

Ambipom(Lead):
Nature: Jolly Item:Silk Scarf
Taunt
Return
U-Turn
Fake Out
EVs:250 Atk/10 HP/250 Spe

Nidoqueen(Spiker):
Nature:Impish Item:Black Sludge
Roar
T-Spikes
Stealth Rock
Earthquake
EVs:250 HP/10 Atk/250 Def

Meganium(Screen Support):
Nature:Bold Item:Leftovers
Light Screen(sometimes Reflect)
Energy Ball
Aromatherapy
Synthesis
EVs:250 HP/50 SpD/200 Def

Minun(Passer):(Might Be getting off Soon)
Nature:Timid Item Focus Sash
Baton Pass
Agility
Grass KNot
Thunderbolt
EVs: 250 SpA/10 HP/250 Spe

Arcanine(Shiny){Choice Band Sweeper}:
Nature: Adamant Item:Choice Band
Flare Blitz
Thunder Fang(Will Soon Be change to Iorn Head)
Overheat
ExtremeSpeed
EVs:250 Atk/10 HP/250 Spe

Altaria(Bulky/Sweeper):
Nature:Calm Item Leftovers
SafeGaurd
Roost
EarthQuake
Dragon Pulse
EVs: Forgot

Heres my team AuraFire
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Old October 17th, 2009, 10:44 PM
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Ok Heres my team at this moment:

Ambipom(Lead):
Nature: Jolly Item: Focus Sash
Double-Hit
Return
U-Turn
Fake Out
EVs: 4 HP, 252 Atk, 252 Speed

Nidoqueen(Spiker):
Nature:Impish Item:Black Sludge
Roar
T-Spikes
Stealth Rock
Earthquake
EVs: 252 HP, 252 Def, 4 Atk

Meganium(Screen Support):
Nature:Bold Item: Light Clay/Leftovers
Light Screen
Reflect
Aromatherapy
Energy Ball/Grass Knot
EVs: 216 HP, 148 Def, 144 SpA

Minun(Passer)Might Be getting off Soon)
Nature:Timid Item Focus Sash
Baton Pass
Agility
Grass KNot
Thunderbolt
EVs: 250 SpA/10 HP/250 Spe

Arcanine(Shiny){Choice Band Sweeper}:
Nature: Adamant Item:Choice Band
Flare Blitz
Thunder Fang
Iron Head/Overheat
ExtremeSpeed
EVs: 252 Atk, 4 Def, 252 Speed

Altaria(Bulky/Sweeper):
Nature:Calm Item: Life Orb
Dragon Dance
Roost
EarthQuake
Outrage
EVs: 72 HP, 252 Atk, 184 Speed

Heres my team AuraFire
Changes I've made are in bold.

Quite frankly, your team here sucks.
Ditch Minun for something else. You don't really need a baton passer anyway.
You're also lacking a special sweeper. You can get walled quite easily without one, especially from the likes of Milotic. In the ways of special sweepers, I'd go with something using Specs.
I'm not very good with Nidoqueen, but just keep it as it is. I like the Black Sludge on it though.
Meganium needs to have both screens if it's going to be your Screen Support. Also make it hold Light Clay for extra turns your screens are up. The attacking move really depends on what you want to attack with Meganium. Grass Knot for your Rhyperior/Steelix, or Energy Ball for Dugtrio.
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Old October 18th, 2009, 07:20 AM
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Can anyone give me suggestions for a good grass/bug/ice wall? I was thinking of making it my lead. I have a few ideas, but I want to see what everyone else thinks first. Thx
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Old October 18th, 2009, 08:00 AM
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Can anyone give me suggestions for a good grass/bug/ice wall? I was thinking of making it my lead. I have a few ideas, but I want to see what everyone else thinks first. Thx
Ice is a terrible typing for a wall, so forget that. I guess Cloyster, Regice, Bulky Wish Glaceon and Walrein can sort of wall but the SR weakness and lack of resistance is a huge put off. Ill give sets if you want though.

Best grass type wall is Celebi

Celebi@Leftovers
252 HP / 220 DEF / 36 SPEED
Bold Nature
- Recover
- Reflect
- Thunderwave / Leech Seed / Hidden Power [Ice/Fire] / Stealth Rock
- Grass Knot

If not there a few others, like Torterra etc located here.

As for bug, again its an even worse defensive typing than ice again being SR weak. You want ones that arent SR weak, Forretress is probably your best bet but its not really a wall tbh, its more of a utility pokemon.

Forretress@Lefovers / Shed Shell
252 HP / 252 SP.DEF / 6 DEF
Impish / Careful Nature
- Payback
- Spikes
- Rapid Spin
- Toxic Spikes / Stealth Rock / Earthquake / Gyro Ball / Explosion

Pretty much.

Scizor with a bulky EV spread and Roost might be able to wall something but meh and then there is shuckle which i highly dont suggest using. I mean its ok i guess but eh. :/
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Old October 18th, 2009, 08:18 AM
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Hey. I was thinking of getting myself a new Gyarados which players shouldn't expect. What do you all think of this Gyarados's moveset I chose?

Nature: Adamant
IV's: 31/31/*/0/*/31
EV's: 176 HP/252 Atk/76 Spe
Held Item: Leftovers/Lum Berry
Waterfall
Outrage
Thunder Wave
Dragon Dance/Protect

Any improvements on this Pokemon or is this moveset perfect?

By the way, Protect is for Double Battles.
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Old October 18th, 2009, 09:58 AM
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Changes I've made are in bold.

Quite frankly, your team here sucks.
Ditch Minun for something else. You don't really need a baton passer anyway.
You're also lacking a special sweeper. You can get walled quite easily without one, especially from the likes of Milotic. In the ways of special sweepers, I'd go with something using Specs.
I'm not very good with Nidoqueen, but just keep it as it is. I like the Black Sludge on it though.
Meganium needs to have both screens if it's going to be your Screen Support. Also make it hold Light Clay for extra turns your screens are up. The attacking move really depends on what you want to attack with Meganium. Grass Knot for your Rhyperior/Steelix, or Energy Ball for Dugtrio.
well taunts good for my Ambipom because i can stop Stealth Rock and T-Spikes(which is really healpful)
and my ultimate Question was weather or not to switch Mega for a SubSeed Ludicolo. I am taking Minun Off just not sure for who yet and altarias bulk has saved me alot so it wont be changed.
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Old October 18th, 2009, 10:08 AM
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well taunts good for my Ambipom
I agree with this, 2 normal moves on the same set is pretty dumb tbh.
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Old October 18th, 2009, 10:24 AM
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Old October 18th, 2009, 10:32 AM
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Old October 18th, 2009, 10:33 AM
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Anyone have some good Arceus movesets? I'm going to get the Movie Arceus when it comes out, so I was wondering how to make the best use of it's special moves:

-Roar of Time
-Spacial Rend
-Shadow Force


I know Roar of Time isn't good, but if you have any ideas on how to best extort the other two, let me know.
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Old October 18th, 2009, 10:39 AM
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Anyone have some good Arceus movesets? I'm going to get the Movie Arceus when it comes out, so I was wondering how to make the best use of it's special moves:

-Roar of Time
-Spacial Rend
-Shadow Force


I know Roar of Time isn't good, but if you have any ideas on how to best extort the other two, let me know.
Spacial Rend can used with as a STAB for Dragon-type Arceus. Shadow Force is alright for Ghost-type Arceus. Idk, Arceus is so versatile.
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Old October 18th, 2009, 12:10 PM
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Sorry, it's just my post has been recently ignored when I posted my Gyarados's moveset.

Nature: Adamant
IV's: 31/31/*/0/*/31
EV's: 176 HP/252 Atk/76 Spe
Held Item: Leftovers/Lum Berry
Waterfall
Outrage
Thunder Wave
Dragon Dance/Protect

Any improvement for this moveset or is it just perfect? I think maybe Subsitute would be good too in place of Dragon Dance.
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Old October 18th, 2009, 12:23 PM
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Sorry, it's just my post has been recently ignored when I posted my Gyarados's moveset.

Nature: Adamant
IV's: 31/31/*/0/*/31
EV's: 176 HP/252 Atk/76 Spe
Held Item: Leftovers/Lum Berry
Waterfall
Outrage
Thunder Wave
Dragon Dance/Protect

Any improvement for this moveset or is it just perfect? I think maybe Subsitute would be good too in place of Dragon Dance.
Yeah dont post it again, if people want to reply they will so just be patient. :/
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Old October 18th, 2009, 12:46 PM
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I agree with this, 2 normal moves on the same set is pretty dumb tbh.
Yes and as you can see it already knows Fake out and Return
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Old October 18th, 2009, 03:06 PM
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Two questions.

1) Does Gallade learn Mach Punch? If so, by what method? (Level, TM, Egg, Tutor, etc.)

2) How many speed EVs would Adamant Metgross need to outspeed Adamant TTar with no DD set up yet?
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Old October 18th, 2009, 03:07 PM
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Sorry, it's just my post has been recently ignored when I posted my Gyarados's moveset.

Nature: Adamant
IV's: 31/31/*/0/*/31
EV's: 176 HP/252 Atk/76 Spe
Held Item: Leftovers/Lum Berry
Waterfall
Outrage
Thunder Wave
Dragon Dance/Protect

Any improvement for this moveset or is it just perfect? I think maybe Subsitute would be good too in place of Dragon Dance.
Why have DD and TW in the same set? seems unnecessary

DD doesn't really make it surprising considering it's on the standard set. the most surprising (effective) gyarados i can think of is:

Adamant Nature
EV's: 252 Atk / 252 Spd / 6 HP
Item: King's Rock

Thunder Wave
Waterfall
Ice Fang
Bite/Iron Fang

Flincher. Nothing exceptional, but it is somewhat of a surprise. I guess for your set I don't see the point of DD or Protect, you'll have to explain that i guess. I don't think u really need sub either, unless you wanted to do some kind of annoyer setup with toxic/sub/protect, but i dunno how effective that'd be.
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Two questions.

1) Does Gallade learn Mach Punch? If so, by what method? (Level, TM, Egg, Tutor, etc.)

2) How many speed EVs would Adamant Metgross need to outspeed Adamant TTar with no DD set up yet?
1) No.

2) 184 Speed EVs, but I did some calcs and turned out CB Tyranitar only manages ~50% with Crunch, so it isn't much of an issue.

@ Schwinndler: King's Rock doesn't boost Waterfall, Ice Fang, and Bite's flinch rate though.
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Old October 19th, 2009, 07:36 AM
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Would a Mamoswine with 252 Atk EV's be able to OHKO a standard DDMence using Ice Shard? Or would it require something like Ice Shard + Stealth Rock damage?
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Old October 19th, 2009, 08:32 AM
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Would a Mamoswine with 252 Atk EV's be able to OHKO a standard DDMence using Ice Shard? Or would it require something like Ice Shard + Stealth Rock damage?
Nope, it easily OHKOs without a problem \o/
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Old October 19th, 2009, 12:41 PM
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Is there a good set for an Adamant Latias?
None whatsoever...Physical Latias is not viable at all unfortunately =/
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Old October 19th, 2009, 01:20 PM
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1) No.

2) 184 Speed EVs, but I did some calcs and turned out CB Tyranitar only manages ~50% with Crunch, so it isn't much of an issue.

@ Schwinndler: King's Rock doesn't boost Waterfall, Ice Fang, and Bite's flinch rate though.
Oops, you're right XP Sorry about that...
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Old October 19th, 2009, 01:20 PM
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Sorry, it's just my post has been recently ignored when I posted my Gyarados's moveset.

Nature: Adamant
IV's: 31/31/*/0/*/31
EV's: 176 HP/252 Atk/76 Spe
Held Item: Leftovers/Lum Berry
Waterfall
Outrage
Thunder Wave
Dragon Dance/Protect

Any improvement for this moveset or is it just perfect? I think maybe Subsitute would be good too in place of Dragon Dance.
Outrage is a joke on anything that doesn't get STAB from it.

Wanna explain the evs? thxbabe

t-wave is redundant on anything other then tank gyara, and i suggest using this spread over that one as it effectively gets a DD up more often as well as is just more reliable overall.

Spread is

Gyarados @ Leftovers
156 HP / 108 Atk / 100 Def / 144 Spe
Adamant (+ atk, - sp atk)
- Waterfall
- Taunt / EQ
- Stone edge
- Dragon dance

156 hp ensures that gyarados is never 2hkod by an LO timid heatrans fire blast, 108 atk always 2HKOs bold 252 Def / 148 blissey after SR damage before a dragon dance, 100 def allows you to take close combats and other resisted attacks from stuff like heracross/lucario much easier. 144 spe outspeeds timid gengar after a dragon dance with adamant.

waterfall is stab, taunt for breaking stall but can be switched out for EQ to hit things like empoleon who would wall the set, stone edge for flyers/mence/dnite etc. DD for boosting.

yeah its a standard smogon set but i explained it better then most people would and it still works much better then your set.

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