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Old December 13th, 2009, 10:27 AM
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I recall that when I first came to PC at the beginning of 08 that there was an Action Replay DS thread for Diamond and Pearl that was about 80+ pages long but suddenly got closed because a mod said it wasnt going anywhere. Since everytime someone has made a similar thread it has been closed. I think it would be a really good idea to have an official page for this that would have a large variety of codes for US games in the first post and people could even give out their Poke Sav codes there. Just an idea. SHut me down if its lame. Id even be willing to lead the thread.
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Old December 13th, 2009, 10:34 AM
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There are a large variety of codes elsewhere, found via google.

A majority of DPPt members do not appreciate receiving or battling hacks, so why facilitate such discussion here, ultimately producing more hacks when we want to reduce them?
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Old December 13th, 2009, 10:51 AM
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There are a large variety of codes elsewhere, found via google.

A majority of DPPt members do not appreciate receiving or battling hacks, so why facilitate such discussion here, ultimately producing more hacks when we want to reduce them?
I don't think that the use of Action Replay should be shunned so much. Sure, the majority of people don't use the AR but, the fact is, there are some who do use it. It might not even be for online cheating pruposes, it could just to be to see some cool effects that happen when you use it.

This doesn't mean that the majority wins and the minority should be shunned. Members who do not approve of using the AR while communicating with them always make sure the add the warning in their threads. It's up to the AR user if he/she wants to break that rule and risk banning. As with most things, it's not about actually using it, it's how you use it.
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Either way you wont be able to stop people from using them and there are more codes that are helpful than just pokemon themselves. I just think it would be great to have a one stop place here on PC.
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I believe there should be a thread.

:/ There's an entire section on ROM hacking, what is the difference between that and using an action replay? Either allow an action replay thread or delete the emulation section. D:
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Old December 13th, 2009, 02:52 PM
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I understand the point in this and agree, one is probably a good idea...still, I can see why there isn't.
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:/ There's an entire section on ROM hacking, what is the difference between that and using an action replay? Either allow an action replay thread or delete the emulation section. D:
ROM hacking is a creative process, not inputting numbers into a device you plug into your DS.
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ROM hacking is a creative process, not inputting numbers into a device you plug into your DS.
Both are changing the data of a game.

Which is what *both* are meant to do. That's what their purpose is.
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Both are changing the data of a game.

Which is what *both* are meant to do. That's what their purpose is.
That's like saying making a TV program and watching it are the same thing. ROM hacking is done for the sense of accomplishment when you complete a hack, Action Replay is done to temporarily make a game easier or generally mess about. There are so many differences that it's not even funny.
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There are a large variety of codes elsewhere, found via google.
theres a hacker out there makein FAKE codes desgined 2 DESTROY ur game if u look 'em up on google, yt codes r more reliable, trust me (i found platnum codes there and my game works fine STILL)

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Action Replay is done to temporarily make a game easier or generally mess about.
gota point there, i use it 2 EXACTLY do the same thing

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im willin 2 support u on this, its honestly a good idea
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I personally am against the use of Action Replays, though I support this thread because there are in fact some practical uses of an Action Replay. For example, I hear that there is a Windows program designed to copy all of the save data of a Gen IV game into a AR code, which could be a failsafe for losing data if one loses his or her game or wishes to restart their game. Also, there are some other uses of AR codes that have no uses other than to make the game experience more enjoyable, like one that replaces the sprite of the player character into any of the sprites in the game (it's very amusing to see Giratina float around Jubilife City and talk to the various people in the city, who are apparently oblivious to the fact that a Pokémon heard only in legends is talking to them). Such codes are worth sharing, even if not everyone uses them.
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That's like saying making a TV program and watching it are the same thing. ROM hacking is done for the sense of accomplishment when you complete a hack, Action Replay is done to temporarily make a game easier or generally mess about. There are so many differences that it's not even funny.
No, that analogy does not make sense.

Rom hacking is not making a TV program. Its editing a TV program. Using action replay is not watching it. Action replay is downloading the episode or watching it online because it has already been released in another country. Its watching it in an unconventional way. Rom hacking is also an unconventional way of creating an episode that suits yours, and a given audiences taste.

Action replay is no different to PokeSAV in terms of ripping people off. You manipulate game data to generate a pokemon and then you trade it for something legit.

At the same time, PokeSAV is easily accessible, and those that do want to use Action Replay and such for recreational purposes should not be punished by having to search for a 'legit' source of codes. The thread can be used to 'certify' certain codes and after most of them have been posted, it can be merely stickied and left there like the Post Your Problems thread in OC.

I'm going to stand on neutral ground because it can be abused, but there are also reasons why the information should be omitted from PC: A Pokemon Forum, not a legit-trading forum. Yeah, sorry guys, I doubt PC was made for trading.
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I use AR codes myself, and have been wondering why discussion of such devices isn't allowed. I myself do not use them for WiFi battling, so called me biased, but I do support this idea. It's hard to find working cheats sometimes. And I guess if a cheat someone posts doesn't work, said post can just be deleted.
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theres a hacker out there makein FAKE codes desgined 2 DESTROY ur game if u look 'em up on google, yt codes r more reliable, trust me (i found platnum codes there and my game works fine STILL)
Uhm, where exactly do you think the majority of PC members would get the codes? Google.

I am not supporting this, however. It would lead to more cons than pros.
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I recall that when I first came to PC at the beginning of 08 that there was an Action Replay DS thread for Diamond and Pearl that was about 80+ pages long but suddenly got closed because a mod said it wasnt going anywhere. Since everytime someone has made a similar thread it has been closed. I think it would be a really good idea to have an official page for this that would have a large variety of codes for US games in the first post and people could even give out their Poke Sav codes there. Just an idea. SHut me down if its lame. Id even be willing to lead the thread.
You look to be close to 5k posts, you could just use your blog to create a place to share the codes. If you don't want to do that, go for creating a public social group and advertise it. It's not hard to do really.

Personally, I think the entire argument against AR and other cheat devices is stupid. It really doesn't harm game play that much. Personally, I never trade my hacks anyway...because it's rude. That being said, PokeSav when used correctly, can create perfectly Legitimate data...it's just a matter of figuring out how you want the stats to be, (within legit limits) and setting your junk bits, ect...to match what they SHOULD be.

Just think, Nintendo probably has some sort of code generator themselves which makes up these "Rare" pokemon...and Pokesav is no different from that, I promise you.

Still, with all of that being said, I do perfectly understand the wish to receive a pokemon someone worked for, the hard way, to obtain. Generally, I don't trade in event pokemon...it's smarter to keep them and use them to obtain something else you want. I personally don't care if a pokemon I'm trading for is legit or not, as long as it LOOKS perfectly legitimate when it comes to an event pokemon. That being said, I simply refuse to trade with just anybody unless I just want something so bad that I don't give a fig.
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Old December 15th, 2009, 06:58 AM
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The problem with an Action Replay thread is the reason posted in the first post:

It doesn't go anywhere.

The thread starts off as a list of codes, but eventually, all the codes are posted. By page 5 there is nothing but "how u gt shinney charzard??!!?!?!?!" repeated over and over again. They end up being a monumental waste of space when there are already tons of other websites that list the codes.

There is no discussion with cheat codes after a while. That is the problem.

As said, if you want to list the codes, do it in a blog or make your own website. Another issue is people trying to take the credit for all the codes when they've mostly all been discovered before.
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The problem with an Action Replay thread is the reason posted in the first post:

It doesn't go anywhere.

The thread starts off as a list of codes, but eventually, all the codes are posted. By page 5 there is nothing but "how u gt shinney charzard??!!?!?!?!" repeated over and over again. They end up being a monumental waste of space when there are already tons of other websites that list the codes.

There is no discussion with cheat codes after a while. That is the problem.

As said, if you want to list the codes, do it in a blog or make your own website. Another issue is people trying to take the credit for all the codes when they've mostly all been discovered before.
Well, why not make a thread for an index of ARDS codes, then once discussion has halted and there is nothing but questions, just lock and stick the thread in D/P/Pt?

I think that would work, since A) It'd stop discussion after a while, and B) It wouldn't get buried behind 34234 pages.

Also, if anyone had a code to add, they could just PM a moderator of that section.
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Old December 15th, 2009, 07:26 PM
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Well, why not make a thread for an index of ARDS codes, then once discussion has halted and there is nothing but questions, just lock and stick the thread in D/P/Pt?

I think that would work, since A) It'd stop discussion after a while, and B) It wouldn't get buried behind 34234 pages.

Also, if anyone had a code to add, they could just PM a moderator of that section.
The problem with that is that it'd be a waste of space. You don't want to have ten stickies in a forum because A) it clutters the list of stickies and B) no one reads the stickies anyways.

PokéCommunity is not the all-in-one spot for every single bit of information on Pokémon. It is a place for discussion. It is not a place for a list of codes that would be copy/pasted from some other website to create the sticky. Other sticky threads are there to reduce clutter by grouping together or avoiding common questions.
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The problem with that is that it'd be a waste of space. You don't want to have ten stickies in a forum because A) it clutters the list of stickies and B) no one reads the stickies anyways.

PokéCommunity is not the all-in-one spot for every single bit of information on Pokémon. It is a place for discussion. It is not a place for a list of codes that would be copy/pasted from some other website to create the sticky. Other sticky threads are there to reduce clutter by grouping together or avoiding common questions.
You forget that Serebii and Bulbagarden both do not have ARDS codes. And aren't they pretty much the all-in-one spot(s) for Pokemon?

I can also see users submitting cheats codes and people posting saying they don't work/etc as discussion. Discussion will deteriorate over time, but you forget that there are people who make ARDS codes from scratch. That also creates discussion because new ARDS codes are made.

And if there's that many stickies for one generation of Pokemon games, why not combine a couple? Unless all of them are completely unrelated, of course, but I doubt it.

Also, if there were an ARDS sticky thread, wouldn't that cut down the clutter of "how dus ah get teh shinyz charizardzz??? i no i need a ards thang, but.."? And what do you mean "Other" sticky threads? Are there different types?
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You forget that Serebii and Bulbagarden both do not have ARDS codes. And aren't they pretty much the all-in-one spot(s) for Pokemon?
What's your point here? I said PC was not the all-in-one site for Pokémon, which is why we don't need the codes and then you say the all-in-one sites don't have the codes. We aren't an all-in-one site, so we definitely don't need what the all-in-one sites don't feel the need to post.

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I can also see users submitting cheats codes and people posting saying they don't work/etc as discussion. Discussion will deteriorate over time, but you forget that there are people who make ARDS codes from scratch. That also creates discussion because new ARDS codes are made.
As was said in the original post, there was an Action Replay thread but it was eventually locked due to it "going nowhere."

The time for "creating" codes is over and done with by the time the games are on the shelves. Not to mention, there are various sites with the purpose of such things; such discussions would be better to stay there given the average PC member, honestly.

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And if there's that many stickies for one generation of Pokemon games, why not combine a couple? Unless all of them are completely unrelated, of course, but I doubt it.
That is already done. The thing is, you don't want more than 1-4 stickies per forum. There is already enough and similar things are already cut down as much as possible.

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Also, if there were an ARDS sticky thread, wouldn't that cut down the clutter of "how dus ah get teh shinyz charizardzz??? i no i need a ards thang, but.."? And what do you mean "Other" sticky threads? Are there different types?
Other sticky threads are the sticky threads that are already there. Simple Question (or Quick Question and Answer as it is now) is already supposed to eliminate "how i get teh shinny muutoos?!?"

Does it? Not completely. A stickied archive of Action Replay codes would do no better. People would still make threads to ask how to copy/paste simple codes into their Action Replay.
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This is why I suggested running a Social Group or a Blog of codes posted up. People would just go to the blog or social group to ask for codes, and we could probably moderate it a lot easier without asking for a thread.

My only other idea is creating a subforum specifically for cheat codes, and appointing several moderators for that. We might as well, since it'd cut back on the spam by giving people a place to post about them, discuss them, and request them.

It's true that one thread is likely to generate spam, but what if we allowed certain trustworthy members to start up their own code shops? We could create an entire subforum, moderate it so that new posts are approved by the mods and it wouldn't be full of spam.

I could easily see a few shops being opened within a subforum with some obvious rules like:
  • No creating forged event pokemon
  • All pokesav generated pokemon codes posted on PC must have SOME indication that it was PokeSav Generated like a certain ID number. for example 12345, 11111, 00000, or any other attribute the mods agree on
  • You cannot trade the generated pokemon to anyone who isn't aware that it is hacked. All trading of hacked pokemon must be arranged privately.
  • You must have xxx Posts and no infractions or warnings for trading in hacked pokemon, in order to be considered for being allowed to run a code shop.
  • You must post requests in the designated sticky thread for requests or an approved shop thread.
  • You code shop thread must meet certain requirements (format template anyone?), as set forth by the selected moderators of the section and other staff members.

Personally, I think that with the appropriate rules and moderation in place, we could think about allowing AR codes to be posted here. I personally don't think it's fair to people who don't mind hacked pokemon so much to not be allowed to get them somehow, but I also think it's not fair for the people who don't like hacks, to not be able to tell if something is hacked. That being said, as long as we keep a handle on what sort of codes we allow to be posted, there should be no problem.
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I support this one-hundred-percent. It seems incredible to me that a forum with an active ROM hacking area wouldn't allow Action Replay.

Google is a valid point. Most codes will likely come off Google. But, if we begin allowing Action Replay threads, eventually Pokemon specialists could wheedle their way in here and we could come up with something new. Perhaps we even have some users like this already...

With Heart Gold and Soul Silver coming up, some of us could work on opening up some new avenues in that realm, and if nothing else it could be a good compilation of useful codes, even with restrictions on the type of code. I suggest a either a new section or a subsection of General Games, or Hacking, with a compilation thread and a Q&A thread.

Some of the on-site trade setups and battles could get dependent on a person's honesty, though. I personally would alert others before going on Wi-Fi, but I'm not everyone... Extra moderation is more than likely a good idea.
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I happen to agree. It doesn't seem quite fair that we allow ROM hacking, and not AR codes.

In Pre-battle, honestly the opponent's team can be 'checked' by going into trade mode via wifi, and scoping the opponent's team out. Then straight to battle, no changes to your team allowed. This isn't a hard thing to do really, and it keeps n00bs from slipping in that Lv100 Shiny Arceus with perfect 31/31/31/31/31/31 IVs and 999/999/999/999/999/999 stats to steamroll your team with.

As far as trading goes, as long as no one successfully manages to to pass off codes that produce a perfectly legitimate looking pokemon, then the code forum would indeed be well moderated.

In all honesty, I've seen legal pokemon built with pokesav, Pokemon with perfectly legal movesets, stats, randomized IVs, nice and legal EV spreads, with a supporting nature. You really only have to look up the legal 'limits' for each pokemon and build to those parameters.

It's all a matter of defining what a 'Legal ____ hack' (blank optional) is. There are actually legality checkers for *.pkmn files which ensures that they aren't unbelievable and unfair.
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I happen to agree. It doesn't seem quite fair that we allow ROM hacking, and not AR codes.
ROM hacking is not the same as AR.

You use an AR to cheat. You hack ROMs to make a new game.

ROM hack Pokémon cannot be used on Wi-Fi or anything else. AR ones can.

AR is finding single line codes to input to the game's RAM and alter something happening now. ROM hacking is changing the internal game data of the game into something different, permanently. ROM hacking allows the change of maps, scripts, text, music, and almost every bit of data in the game; AR does not.

AR codes eventually are all found and there's nothing more to do but use them. ROM hacks are near-infinite as everyone has different ideas and creations. Saying AR and ROM hacks are the same thing is like saying tracing and other artwork is the same.
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