Scrapbox phase-out

[Hiroshi Sotomura]

Originally Posted by Conan Edogawa

The only ludicrous part of this is that you actually want to do this. My ideas as well as others are completely legitimate yet you ignore them. It seems that you have a hatred for something that could be really useful. Instead of rug reasonable you just shut down and ignore all the other ideas. To be honest it looks like the staff is arrogant. He scrapbox is a great place because people that are new to hacking can gain experience and get advice. True almost all hacks in there go nowhere but that's part of the learning process. Kids aren't deprived of their learning opportunity in school if they make a mistake or do somethign wrong so why are you doing that here? If you don't feel like helping them then leave it to the people that want to help. So many of you complain about the current hacking worlds condition but then reject any chance to fix it. Anyone behind he closure is a hypocrit because they are worsening he situation that they want improved.

This isn't a ploy to remove "good ideas". I have no idea why you'd interpret this as one such.

[WHISBII]

This is somewhat of a bummer, but it is a good idea, Thanks.

[.light]

Originally Posted by Deviation

Hmm... I'm against this, but what's done is done. Despite all the SPAM and things like that, there are some gems there. So... It gets rid of the SPAM I guess... Despite some good ideas in there, but the amount of SPAM and abandoned things outweigh the gems... Shame really. No-one to blame really but the SPAMers and the hackers who created the request threads.

And dont forget the ones who make the help walkthroughs

[Aljam]

yay!!~~ good thing I copypasta my thread on my forum so it wont get delete. Good job staff! I saw my fair share of "hur this is my idea it remake" and other stuff. I hope the new hackers c an learn not to be lazy and actually work until they can make a thread.

[Conan Edogawa]

Originally Posted by Anthony La

This isn't a ploy to remove "good ideas". I have no idea why you'd interpret this as one such.

That isn't how I interpreted it. I see it as the staff taking the easy way out instead of solving the problem.

[~Teh Panda~]

Originally Posted by Conan Edogawa

That isn't how I interpreted it. I see it as the staff taking the easy way out instead of solving the problem.

How is this the easy way out? Really this was the only option no matter what is said. So much of what is here is utter crap! I mean really how can half of these be considered good ideas >.>. In all realty it is a curtain where noobs can post half ass ideas and have their own community within a community. So many users active in here barely shed light in the other sections and they need to get a taste of real hacking.

[Omega Zero]

Originally Posted by ~Teh Panda~

How is this the easy way out? Really this was the only option no matter what is said. So much of what is here is utter crap! I mean really how can half of these be considered good ideas >.>. In all realty it is a curtain where noobs can post half ass ideas and have their own community within a community. So many users active in here barely shed light in the other sections and they need to get a taste of real hacking.

I agree the scrapbox is utter crap according to the threads as well seriously 2,515 Threads. the scrapbox has to go now that i think about it but the problem is that. Progressing hacks Will need to Step up and make it harder for your hacks to be approved cause you could have crappy hacks in it with crap screenshots and stuff

[~Teh Panda~]

Originally Posted by tainui

I agree the scrapbox is utter crap according to the threads as well seriously 2,515 Threads. the scrapbox has to go now that i think about it but the problem is that. Progressing hacks Will need to Step up and make it harder for your hacks to be approved cause you could have crappy hacks in it with crap screenshots and stuff

Yes, and Anthony La posted earlier that is preventable. The mods due take their job seriously and if this were to happen someone would bring it to attention and solve the issue

[Ninja Caterpie]

Originally Posted by Conan Edogawa

That isn't how I interpreted it. I see it as the staff taking the easy way out instead of solving the problem.

So what would you consider solving the problem?

[Manipulation]

We're not taking the easy way out, not at all. We've been moderating the scrapbox for nearly a year, if we were taking the easy way out we would've done it way earlier, right?

[Omega Zero]

Originally Posted by The Doctor

We're not taking the easy way out, not at all. We've been moderating the scrapbox for nearly a year, if we were taking the easy way out we would've done it way earlier, right?

Yea i think they have been moderating it for a year Locking up the Threads that Don't have any storyline or features or stuff like this
I am thinking of a hack that has D/P pokemon in it i will need a scripter Etc

Thats why the Scrapbox is full of scrap but Not all of it is

Not all of scrapbox is bad some of it is good But Some aren't good at all

[558122_DG]

Originally Posted by tainui

Yea i think they have been moderating it for a year Locking up the Threads that Don't have any storyline or features or stuff like this
I am thinking of a hack that has D/P pokemon in it i will need a scripter Etc

Thats why the Scrapbox is full of scrap but Not all of it is

Not all of scrapbox is bad some of it is good But Some aren't good at all

your just saying that cause you got your thread to prog hacks now...
Back when it was in the scrapbox i believe you were fighting against the idea?
yes i know i am resisting only cause my thread is in the scrapbox, and yes it qualifies to be moved(according to the rules), but i'm gonna leave it there for a while longer

@con- It may seem like the easy way out, but the scrapbox, according to them, it has lost its purpose, thus there is no need to have it anymore. But a solution could be to have a moderator aprove the thread first. and maybe bout 15 posts needed to make one, that'll kill most of the spam.

[Conan Edogawa]

@ Ninja Caterpie- see my other posts.
@ The Doctor- if you have been moderating here then how did the problem continue to grow?

[Manipulation]

Members to mod ratio, try counting it.

[Went]

Originally Posted by Conan Edogawa

@ The Doctor- if you have been moderating here then how did the problem continue to grow?

I think I can answer that: because the amount of spam is so high that regular moderating can't control it. Kind of what happened in the Battle Stadium with the battle clans. What did we do? We banned the clans and the spam died, yet people kept fighting and having their own, mod-controlled tournaments.

[Banjora Marxvile]

The scrapbox is... Ergh, I'll hate saying this... Unmoderatable, from what I have seen, due to all the constant SPAM. IF idiots didn't keep posting stupid requests, or SPAM, then perhaps there would be an idea to save it, but... Now I think about it, there is 1 thing you could have tried - Approval Only for Scrapbox. True it will mean more threads need approving, but less SPAM, and the same idiots who broke the rules will probably do the same for Progressing Hacks.

BUT now I think about it, you probably considered it (but nice if you had at least tried it before, but there are more cons than pros... You made your choice)

So... The problem is rule breaking, which... May occur more elsewhere.

[Ray Maverick]

I don't think this thread has a purpose anymore, seeing as people repeat the same things in their posts. XD
Okay, i understand people feel the urge to post their opinion, but they're just doing nothing by saying "The Scrapbox is full of crap and SPAM, so it deserves to deleted, and we'll all be happy to see it gone".

[Conan Edogawa]

Originally Posted by Deviation

The scrapbox is... Ergh, I'll hate saying this... Unmoderatable, from what I have seen, due to all the constant SPAM. IF idiots didn't keep posting stupid requests, or SPAM, then perhaps there would be an idea to save it, but... Now I think about it, there is 1 thing you could have tried - Approval Only for Scrapbox. True it will mean more threads need approving, but less SPAM, and the same idiots who broke the rules will probably do the same for Progressing Hacks.

BUT now I think about it, you probably considered it (but nice if you had at least tried it before, but there are more cons than pros... You made your choice)

So... The problem is rule breaking, which... May occur more elsewhere.

That's a good idea. The removal is only going to take the spam threads and move them elsewhere ( the ones that will be created not the pre-existing ones). The closed mindedness that people are showing is a bit depressing, I must say.

[Manipulation]

I think your closed mind is depressing, gurl~

[Andrew McKenzie]

Indeed, closing and phasing out the Scrapbox section could possibly, but only temporarily get rid of the spam, but wouldn't they really just start spamming elsewhere more than usual then?

I dunno... It's your forum, you're the staff, so whatever you guys think is best for the forum probably is, and I won't interfere or go against that.

Most of the scrapbox threads contained mostly the same hack ideas anyway.

[Banjora Marxvile]

Originally Posted by The Doctor

I think your closed mind is depressing, gurl~

I think a closed forum is depressing, gurl~

Anyway... It will have already all been considered, at least apparently, so... Well, SPAM in other places may increase more, at least to mods due to Approval being needed, perhaps more than if the Scrapbox had one. I would suggest a trial period for an Approval only on the Scrapbox, but there would be little point, as you made your minds up... Can't hurt to try though... But probably can. Pros and cons of both situations are... Kinda annoying to weigh up.

That is my suggestion, and rubbish either way. Just seems a shame an area that benefits a lot of people is being closed for stupid idiots who SPAM and request...

[558122_DG]

Originally Posted by Deviation

The scrapbox is... Ergh, I'll hate saying this... Unmoderatable, from what I have seen, due to all the constant SPAM. IF idiots didn't keep posting stupid requests, or SPAM, then perhaps there would be an idea to save it, but... Now I think about it, there is 1 thing you could have tried - Approval Only for Scrapbox. True it will mean more threads need approving, but less SPAM, and the same idiots who broke the rules will probably do the same for Progressing Hacks.

Thats a great solution (although i believed i already mentioned it.) Making approval before posting the thread will reduce spam. It will get rid of ALOT of threads that don't meet the requirements of the scrapbox I.E: Some hacks are closed because they don't contain a storyline/features list/or other info


BUT now I think about it, you probably considered it (but nice if you had at least tried it before, but there are more cons than pros... You made your choice)

So... The problem is rule breaking, which... May occur more elsewhere.

True, if you were deleting the scrapbox because u think it's the source of spam, then might as well delete posting seeing as thats the true source of spam.

Originally Posted by Ray Maverick

I don't think this thread has a purpose anymore, seeing as people repeat the same things in their posts. XD
Okay, i understand people feel the urge to post their opinion, but they're just doing nothing by saying "The Scrapbox is full of crap and SPAM, so it deserves to deleted, and we'll all be happy to see it gone".

yes that seems to be the only reason thats ever put out against the scrapbox SPAM. Well read above and you see what needs to be done to really counter the spam.

Originally Posted by The Doctor

I think your closed mind is depressing, gurl~

I think his mind is actually open unlike a few people. and the "gurl" was unnecessary.

Originally Posted by Deviation

I think a closed forum is depressing, gurl~

Anyway... It will have already all been considered, at least apparently, so... Well, SPAM in other places may increase more, at least to mods due to Approval being needed, perhaps more than if the Scrapbox had one. I would suggest a trial period for an Approval only on the Scrapbox, but there would be little point, as you made your minds up... Can't hurt to try though... But probably can. Pros and cons of both situations are... Kinda annoying to weigh up.

That is my suggestion, and rubbish either way. Just seems a shame an area that benefits a lot of people is being closed for stupid idiots who SPAM and request...

but wouldn't the infinite amount of random requests be deleted if u required approval? And as for spamming wouldn't an increase on the amountof words per post delete that? Most spam is short and spammers won't take the initiative to type more unless they are dull...

[Omega Zero]

Originally Posted by 558122_DG

your just saying that cause you got your thread to prog hacks now...
Back when it was in the scrapbox i believe you were fighting against the idea?
yes i know i am resisting only cause my thread is in the scrapbox, and yes it qualifies to be moved(according to the rules), but i'm gonna leave it there for a while longer

@con- It may seem like the easy way out, but the scrapbox, according to them, it has lost its purpose, thus there is no need to have it anymore. But a solution could be to have a moderator aprove the thread first. and maybe bout 15 posts needed to make one, that'll kill most of the spam.

I didn't say that cause i got it to the Progressing hacks :\ the scrapbox has to many well.... crap. or scrap.. have you seen how many threads there have been and now are dead.

[Conan Edogawa]

Originally Posted by tainui

I didn't say that cause i got it to the Progressing hacks :\ the scrapbox has to many well.... crap. or scrap.. have you seen how many threads there have been and now are dead.

Well you may think the hacks are crap but the creator likes the idea. The point of hacking is for the hackers enjoyment, not to please the masses. So as long as the hackers enjoy it then who cares what we think? And the dead threads can be useful for the creator. If the hacker looks at what went wrong and tries to improve then the dead thread is actually a success. In my opinion the only problem is the spam, which could be put to an end.

[558122_DG]

Originally Posted by Conan Edogawa

Well you may think the hacks are crap but the creator likes the idea. The point of hacking is for the hackers enjoyment, not to please the masses. So as long as the hackers enjoy it then who cares what we think? And the dead threads can be useful for the creator. If the hacker looks at what went wrong and tries to improve then the dead thread is actually a success. In my opinion the only problem is the spam, which could be put to an end.

100% exact. The point of a hack is so the hacker can enjoy it. At least so said a good friend of mine and so i believe.