[Demo] Super Pokemon Eevee Edition

[Jared]

Hmm... I think waypoints are a little bit "dumbed down" if you get what I mean. I think a quest log or some menu to tell you where you have to go, but to just give you arrows takes out the exploration and adventure to the game.

[DarkDoom3000]

You can call Oak for directions too.

But I do get what you mean, and it does make the game dummed down,
at the same time;

I want the game to be as accessible as possible.

for some people, it might take some time for the game to click with them, so i've gotta make sure they get to that point. Happens to me a lot. I play a game, get lost. then just give up.
Also, the waypoints only exist for the main story. they won't show up for sidequests or anything.



It is completely optional; and i may even induce some sort of penalty for using it.


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Link to update- incase people missed it, since we're on a new page.

[Jared]

Originally Posted by DarkDoom3000

It is completely optional; and i may even induce some sort of penalty for using it.

I think that's a good idea, maybe less experience from pokemon or something, or less money.

[sHiNyMoltres@Rayquaza*inverted*EvE]

Originally Posted by DarkDoom3000

Yep, you can switch between forms, thats the main gimmic of the game. You can even do it in the middle of battle

awsome! XD i cant wait to play this now when i get home ^o^

[ChainedTeapot]

The update looks good and a lot of thsoe features seem pretty helpful.

I'm not sure if you can but on the bait spot part can you make it so if you can checked the bait spot but haven't placed a rare candy down it will also appear on the map? As when I was playing I know I missed a fair few bait spots as I didn't have any rare candies at the time.

And a somewhat related question, in the latest demo are there enough rare candies for all the bait spots?

[Daedalus]

Originally Posted by DarkDoom3000

You can call Oak for directions too.

But I do get what you mean, and it does make the game dummed down,
at the same time;

I want the game to be as accessible as possible.

for some people, it might take some time for the game to click with them, so i've gotta make sure they get to that point. Happens to me a lot. I play a game, get lost. then just give up.
Also, the waypoints only exist for the main story. they won't show up for sidequests or anything.

Oh man, I'm glad there's somebody else that thinks this way! I think people forget sometimes that the player isn't the enemy, haha. I like to imagine that someone is going to be playing my game that's maybe quit after Pokemon Red, even though that probably won't be the case. But it helps when designing things!

Gotta say though, I love absolutely everything you're doing here as usual. I absolutely adore that region map, haha.

[miksy91]

I haven't played this game much so I can't say for sure but demo 6 has been out for a while now and in case people haven't had problems playing through it, I don't think having waypoints is such a good idea (although you could "punish" the player for using it). I can't really say more about this, I just don't like it...

Destination marker is a good thing though, clearly avoids you from "getting stuck" in the middle of the game.

Anyway, keep it up !
I'll likely be starting the game again when you get the next demo up (or wait till the final version, dunno...) :D

[granturismo4ad]

Originally Posted by DarkDoom3000

Anyways, I've been working on some back-end stuff.

I've realised a problem with the game. Leveling.

Since eevee is always in your team, it is usually the highest leveled. Thats all fine and dandy, but problems occur when you use other pokemon for the rest of the team.

I''ve been thinking of how to fix this.
I had the limiting band in prior versions, as a semi-fix. It would stop eevee from gaining EXP in return for extra money.

But the problem still existed where if you had a team of Lv40s, and added a lv10 pokemon to your team; it wouldn't be able to "catch-up" to the level 40s.

So basically, im revamping the limiting band.

Now. Instead of taking only Eevee's exp, it will remove your whole team's EXP. And give it to the lowest leveled team member. so that team member would get 4x the exp in every battle. (assuming you have 4 pokemon in your team)

It seems to be the best way to do it. i've looked at other solutions, but they all could be easy exploited. This system has nice automatic limitations.
1: Can't over-level a pokemon. since it'll always give it to the pokemon with the lowest exp.
2: Reserve team pokemon also don't gain any exp. So reserve team can't suddenly become much stornger than eevee.

One dilema is whether to cap off the EXP gain at 4x. Because right now, it doesn't take into account how much reserve pokemon you have. Because 7x exp seems a little too much exp for one pokemon.

The original dilemma isn't that bad. Just take note of the amount of EXP that your main party members have (the ones you want to raise the new party member to), swap them for other pokes for a full party, and raise the new party member's EXP to that amount. Then switch back your main party members to have an even-leveled team.


Main point: Would it be possible to have both versions of the limiting band in the game?

Idea:
Leave the old version in as the 'limiting band', equipable only to Eeveelutions.
Add the new version in as 'EXP Magnet' or something like that. Use it as a hotkey item instead of an equip item, can't be used in battle. Switch it on to give 4x EXP to the lowest poke, turn it off for normal EXP distribution.

[DarkDoom3000]

Originally Posted by Jared

I think that's a good idea, maybe less experience from pokemon or something, or less money.

less money seems like the most balanced way. less exp seems overly harsh.

Originally Posted by sHiNyMoltres@Rayquaza*inverted*EvE

awsome! XD i cant wait to play this now when i get home ^o^

thanks

Originally Posted by ChainedTeapot

The update looks good and a lot of thsoe features seem pretty helpful.

I'm not sure if you can but on the bait spot part can you make it so if you can checked the bait spot but haven't placed a rare candy down it will also appear on the map? As when I was playing I know I missed a fair few bait spots as I didn't have any rare candies at the time.

And a somewhat related question, in the latest demo are there enough rare candies for all the bait spots?

Thats a good idea; im gonna go add that in.

Theres gonna be technically unlimited quantities of rare candies; as you will be able to refine berries into rare candies. also on the rare occasion- you'll get a rare candy straight from the tree.

But there will make sure there's enough via item pickups.

I'll also be adding an optional item which tells you which pokemon a bait spot attracts; so you can pick and choose which spots you'd prefer.

Originally Posted by Daedalus

Oh man, I'm glad there's somebody else that thinks this way! I think people forget sometimes that the player isn't the enemy, haha. I like to imagine that someone is going to be playing my game that's maybe quit after Pokemon Red, even though that probably won't be the case. But it helps when designing things!

Gotta say though, I love absolutely everything you're doing here as usual. I absolutely adore that region map, haha.

Originally Posted by miksy91

I haven't played this game much so I can't say for sure but demo 6 has been out for a while now and in case people haven't had problems playing through it, I don't think having waypoints is such a good idea (although you could "punish" the player for using it). I can't really say more about this, I just don't like it...

Destination marker is a good thing though, clearly avoids you from "getting stuck" in the middle of the game.

Anyway, keep it up !
I'll likely be starting the game again when you get the next demo up (or wait till the final version, dunno...) :D

You would be suprised. I've seen some Let's Plays where some people get lots in the most trivial ways.

The only reason theres usually not much discussed about it is because if people usually get lost, they tend to loose interest in the game and don't bother asking in the thread where to go.

I just want to make it easier for people who haven't ever played a pokemon game. (or even a game in general?)

Originally Posted by granturismo4ad

The original dilemma isn't that bad. Just take note of the amount of EXP that your main party members have (the ones you want to raise the new party member to), swap them for other pokes for a full party, and raise the new party member's EXP to that amount. Then switch back your main party members to have an even-leveled team.


Main point: Would it be possible to have both versions of the limiting band in the game?

Idea:
Leave the old version in as the 'limiting band', equipable only to Eeveelutions.
Add the new version in as 'EXP Magnet' or something like that. Use it as a hotkey item instead of an equip item, can't be used in battle. Switch it on to give 4x EXP to the lowest poke, turn it off for normal EXP distribution.

gooood point. the Limiting Band will stay; EXP stabiliser will exist as a sperate item.

Ill outline the situation in which i thought the EXP stabiliser was needed.

if you had eeveeon, typlosion, pupitar and you added in a mareep to your team; then swapped out typlosion and pupitar, while giving eeveeon a limiting band.

Then after training for ages; you finally reach the same level. Ad swap out the training pokemon back for typlosion and pupitar; I feel like you're sorta wasting EXP on the training pokemon. Not to mention; it's a lot of work for just to add a new pokemon to your team. which means people tend to stick to pokemon they caught around the start of the game.

So the EXP stabiliser just takes the EXP the training pokemon (and eevee) would get and gives it to the new pokemon. Making it easy for new pokemon to catch up.

[ChainedTeapot]

I completely forgot about being able to make new items, seeing as it's something I keep saying I will do later and pretty sure I've never seen rare candies on trees then after reading your post I have found two so far.

On an other note is there a route 9? The maps says it should be between route 10 and Imbibo lake but upon going there I just go from route 10 straight to the lake. Mainly wanting to know as from the Pokemon location list you've made, it says Snubbull should be there and it's the only location I have left to find for corrupted Pokémon.

[TheLegendDragoon]

Hello DarkDoom3000,
I love your Game Pokemon Super Eevee . By the way, my english is not the best, so you can sometimes dont understand me very well.
I have an Question to you. I would translate the Game in the Language German.
I think if the game had more language then one the game get more fame.
Have you any interest for that?

[Guardian Eevee X]

It's has been awhile, Ive been reading all these blogs to date, lots of exciting stuff coming in Demo 7. Can't wait to try it all out and see the new system in action. May have to try a new game just to see everything. And to see most of the bugs have been pinned down. Hoping that it will be completed soon.

Catch you later,
G.E.X

[Shoir]

Hey man your game is awesome, good luck with what is left.

Half the money would be good in exchange for the arrow thingies.

Idea: Plus the EXP stabilizer, there should be an item like the lucky egg but with a recoil effect, like having less attack or something like that.

Also, can someone give me the download link? My antivirus security blocks the entrance to it and to the official page. D=

[DarkDoom3000]

Progress is going good.

Sidequests
I've been standardising the sidequests. Adding a few more here and there. I want there to always be something to do in each city you visit. current goal is to have ~50 sidequests in total.

I've got 4 completely done(lol) with another 4 half done.

Collectables
They'll take the form of intel/Info-logs.
when you find one, you can read it. and all intel you find will be saved in a library for later reading.

There'll be different logs:
-Oak Logs: detailing random stuff about oak's life. from blowing up his old lap, to finding eevee.
-M Datalog: M's diary. dives deeper into the mythos of the game.
-Patents: Random patents disclosing how various items were made. including pokeballs,

Ill probably have 1 intel piece per location. for ease.
Some will be in plain view, otheres hidden.

AI Drops
On another note: a minor change: AI's won't give items anymore (with the exception of Lionheart)
NewGame+ will be obtained at the end of the demoes. (previously from necro) and so will the generation swapper.
Both items will be removed once the save file is transfered to the next version (v8) in which case, you'll recive the item when you complete it. After facing an AI, you will still get an eevee form. so there's that.

Team Swapper
some changes to the Team Swapper: you will now NOT be able to double up on pokemon (previously, you could have a pokemon on team A and B) it caused some issues with extra EXP allocation. so thats removed.

It will get introduced much earlier now (previously at the end of the v6). I've been thinking that Crystal will give it to you. BUT only once you've obtained 7 pokemon (so it creates a perfect 7 pokemon team) or maybe 5 pokemon... Im not sure.
So the first time you talk to crystal, she'll mention she has an item for you, but will only give it to you once you get 5/7 pokemon. so people know about it beforehand.

For the lazy, you are forced to get atleast 7 pokemon anyway. So you will obtain it eventually.
-Eevee, Johto Starter, Zubat, Spinarak, Natu, Aron, Vulpix



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Originally Posted by ChainedTeapot

I completely forgot about being able to make new items, seeing as it's something I keep saying I will do later and pretty sure I've never seen rare candies on trees then after reading your post I have found two so far.

On an other note is there a route 9? The maps says it should be between route 10 and Imbibo lake but upon going there I just go from route 10 straight to the lake. Mainly wanting to know as from the Pokemon location list you've made, it says Snubbull should be there and it's the only location I have left to find for corrupted Pokémon.

lol. you just probably didn't notice. I know i never really bother reading what berry i obtain.
Ah, route 9 and 10 were flipped around in earlier iterations. Route 10 should be route just north of the lake, and route 9 the route to the east of route 10.
Snubull is inside the house you find on route 10. the house is locked, and there are 3 keys. 1 is in route 10, 1 in route 9 and one in imbibo lake. (to the north-west)

Originally Posted by TheLegendDragoon

Hello DarkDoom3000,
I love your Game Pokemon Super Eevee . By the way, my english is not the best, so you can sometimes dont understand me very well.
I have an Question to you. I would translate the Game in the Language German.
I think if the game had more language then one the game get more fame.
Have you any interest for that?

Other languages would definetly be something i would be interested in. Not right now, as im still working on it. but once it's done, i might look into translating it if there's enough people who want.

Originally Posted by Guardian Eevee X

It's has been awhile, Ive been reading all these blogs to date, lots of exciting stuff coming in Demo 7. Can't wait to try it all out and see the new system in action. May have to try a new game just to see everything. And to see most of the bugs have been pinned down. Hoping that it will be completed soon.

Catch you later,
G.E.X

hah, thanks. actually, you would have to do a new game as old saves arent compatible (basically, i changed the hero count, to optimise the game, leading older save files incompatible. also with the sheer amount of changes, it just isn't feesible to incorparate old saves.)

Originally Posted by Shoir

Hey man your game is awesome, good luck with what is left.

Half the money would be good in exchange for the arrow thingies.

Idea: Plus the EXP stabilizer, there should be an item like the lucky egg but with a recoil effect, like having less attack or something like that.

Also, can someone give me the download link? My antivirus security blocks the entrance to it and to the official page. D=

thanks :D. not much is left at all.

The lowering of money isn't totally in right now, i probably won't have it til next version(v8).
Lucky Egg isn't needed right now, as there is no recoil in the game
anyway. but i will probably use it for something else.

here you go: download links.
Version 0.6
Patch 0.603

the patch fixes an error that stops you from progressing. you don't really need it until you reach SILPH. CO.
so just keep that in mind.

[ChainedTeapot]

I think I kept ignoring it saying "route 9" and looked around all of route 10 to see if 9 was hidden some where, mainly from my following the map. Something I should of noticed but oh well. Would of helped if I looked in the house, I was going to look in it later to see what was in it, as I wasn't expecting to be able to obtain a corrupted Pokémon within.

Finally got all the corrupted Pokémon, at least I think I have, until the next release anyway.

Game progress is sounding good, the collectables sound good for just general extra backstory and information. Side quests are always a nice thing to do for a little break from the main story. Looking forward to the next release (:

[Hanachu]

This game...is pretty much just unspeakably awesome.
Chuu~

Also, a screenshot I took that may interest you <3 I like shiny pretty pokemon-nyah <3

http://i43.tinypic.com/3135ekz.jpg

[Musketeer]

Originally Posted by Hanachu

This game...is pretty much just unspeakably awesome.
Chuu~

Also, a screenshot I took that may interest you <3 I like shiny pretty pokemon-nyah <3

http://i43.tinypic.com/3135ekz.jpg

Nice find! I loves me some Shinies as well. They are awesome! I definitely agree with your thought on this game too. Where did you find it? Oh, I wonder if he changed the Shiny Pokemon probability...

[roen52]

Originally Posted by Hanachu

This game...is pretty much just unspeakably awesome.
Chuu~

Also, a screenshot I took that may interest you <3 I like shiny pretty pokemon-nyah <3

http://i43.tinypic.com/3135ekz.jpg

Cool, a Shiny. I haven't run into a shiny pokemon yet.

[shadowtych]

Originally Posted by ChainedTeapot

I think I kept ignoring it saying "route 9" and looked around all of route 10 to see if 9 was hidden some where, mainly from my following the map. Something I should of noticed but oh well. Would of helped if I looked in the house, I was going to look in it later to see what was in it, as I wasn't expecting to be able to obtain a corrupted Pokémon within.

Finally got all the corrupted Pokémon, at least I think I have, until the next release anyway.

Game progress is sounding good, the collectables sound good for just general extra backstory and information. Side quests are always a nice thing to do for a little break from the main story. Looking forward to the next release (:

In case the quick reply didn't work the snubble is in the locked door where you find jasmine trying to help a baby spoink

[Twinkle-Chamst]

DarkDoom3000, Can I use your SPEE userbar as a supporter?
because this game is so good! Great job :D
(I just caught my corrupted chikorita, yesss)

I have to say that this is the first time I've been hooked this much on a fangame :0...
I can't wait for the full release~

[DarkDoom3000]

It's nice to see replies, keeps me motivated. which inturn, speeds up progress. Anyways, I've moved on to reeventing all the storyline events.

should take a bit of time to complete, but once done: I'll be nearing the finishing line.



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Originally Posted by ChainedTeapot

I think I kept ignoring it saying "route 9" and looked around all of route 10 to see if 9 was hidden some where, mainly from my following the map. Something I should of noticed but oh well. Would of helped if I looked in the house, I was going to look in it later to see what was in it, as I wasn't expecting to be able to obtain a corrupted Pokémon within.

Finally got all the corrupted Pokémon, at least I think I have, until the next release anyway.

Game progress is sounding good, the collectables sound good for just general extra backstory and information. Side quests are always a nice thing to do for a little break from the main story. Looking forward to the next release (:

Technically the snubull wasn't actually corrupted, so you were right not to expect corrupted pokemon in the house

I always like it when games put in extras, collectables and sidequests are always good. Plus in SPEE, doing sidequests and stuff = trophies = more EXP and money from trainers, so it all comes back around.

Originally Posted by Hanachu

This game...is pretty much just unspeakably awesome.
Chuu~

Also, a screenshot I took that may interest you <3 I like shiny pretty pokemon-nyah <3

http://i43.tinypic.com/3135ekz.jpg

Hah, nice job :D. I remember in one of my beta playthroughs, I had a shiny pokemon appear before I got the pokedex, meaning I couldn't scan it

Originally Posted by Musketeer

Nice find! I loves me some Shinies as well. They are awesome! I definitely agree with your thought on this game too. Where did you find it? Oh, I wonder if he changed the Shiny Pokemon probability...

In the new demo, a normal encounter will give a 1/512 chance, while a pre-emptive battle will give you a 1/256 chance.

Originally Posted by roen52

Cool, a Shiny. I haven't run into a shiny pokemon yet.

don't worry, I've only encountered 2-3 in my multiple playthroughs.

Originally Posted by Twinkle-Chamst

DarkDoom3000, Can I use your SPEE userbar as a supporter?
because this game is so good! Great job
(I just caught my corrupted chikorita, yesss)

I have to say that this is the first time I've been hooked this much on a fangame :0...
I can't wait for the full release~

Yeah, sure, the usebar is for anyone to use.

I can't wait for the full release either.

[Jared]

Still waiting very patiently on V7, any ETA?

[wilso]

its better not to make a date for it to be out because wat if somthing goes wrong and people get mad... plus i love suprises

[DarkDoom3000]

Release is still far off. When I announce it, it will be a solid release date. It will either come out that date, or before.


If i recall correctly, the original release was meant to be last december :lol.
But then I had to go and totally revent a lot of systems.

[Dratizard]

When I clicked the download button for v.6, my antivirus program warned me about a trojan. Did you know about that?