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Old November 6th, 2011 (08:48 AM).
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Quote originally posted by blooster23:
I say they will post the 3.1 beta on 31st of December
I also agree with you , my imaginacion say's this will be a 2012 hack.
No pokegear so progress can be faster though.
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Old November 6th, 2011 (09:42 AM).
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I agree with the fact of no Poke Gear, as I wouldn't be using it.
However, I DO think that it will be released in 2011. (maybe as a
"Christmas Present") XD Even if it's not, it just means it's gonna be that much better by the time we do get it!
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Old November 6th, 2011 (02:40 PM). Edited November 6th, 2011 by IchiNaru.
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hopefully get to the middle of December xD

no pokegear better q and completely out

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Old November 6th, 2011 (03:30 PM).
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How to trigger the event in Meadow City(Orange Island)?
I did read the sentence displayed in Prof Ivy's monitor and went into PokeMart in Meadow City but nothing happened there.
I also followed some LC walkthrough that go inside Gym first later go PokeMart and the result is same, the event is not trigger.
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Old November 6th, 2011 (05:18 PM).
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If the release is a christmas present , it will be considered a 2012 hack because we will be playing the hack in 2012.
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Old November 6th, 2011 (09:47 PM).
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Haha I didn't even notice. I've been a lurkerfor way too long. Since like 2009 in September haha. I like pokegear but only having half will make me want MOAR!
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Old November 7th, 2011 (01:46 AM).
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Quote originally posted by hi sir tomato my password is syvniti:
So that's the general idea about the pokegear?????
Yes, we don't wanna know that LaZ is a girl, nuff said.

Okay, the real comment:
Why to delay the release because of something that won't be fully implemented?
We can wait for the full version of it
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Old November 7th, 2011 (05:44 AM).
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Quote originally posted by DarkDurandal:
If the release is a christmas present , it will be considered a 2012 hack because we will be playing the hack in 2012.
technically it would still be a 2011 release, and no there will be people playing it before 2012.

Though what is with calling this a 2012 hack? This hack been in production since a few years ago, excluding the break that Laz had before deciding to continue this project.
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Old November 7th, 2011 (06:08 AM).
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Quote originally posted by K2 XTREME:
technically it would still be a 2011 release, and no there will be people playing it before 2012.

Though what is with calling this a 2012 hack? This hack been in production since a few years ago, excluding the break that Laz had before deciding to continue this project.
I was talking about if it was a Christmas present.
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Old November 7th, 2011 (04:22 PM).
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Quote originally posted by Retro Gamer'93:
You do know that Shiny Gold is a hack right? It's not actually a game made by Game Freak? Which means that either that kid paid for the game, which means he's stupid, or he got a different version. Because Shiny Gold is free and able to be downloaded in these forums.
I know every fact that you told me is true. He doesn't know better. He's like 7 years old and he says he got it for his birthday (meaning his mom/dad/??? got him a hacked gba cartridge.
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Old November 8th, 2011 (01:34 AM). Edited November 8th, 2011 by pirateof7sea.
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Hey, actually I think that carrying HM slaves are annoying and wasting our slot so I suggest that changing HM moves to Key Items instead. But still you can get the HM moves at the same time you get the Key Items

Replacement:-
No. | Hm move | Key Item name
1. Cut - Hatchet / Axe
2. Fly - Hot Air Balloon / Air Ship / Helicopter
3. Surf - Raft / Motor Boat / Hovercraft
4. Strength - Robot / Dozer
5. Flash - Torch Light / Fire Torch / Lighter
6. Rock Smash - Pick Axe / Hammer / Hand Driller / TNT / Dynamite
7. Waterfall - Rope Hook
8. Dive - Submarine / Scuba Tool / Newt Suit

You could add 'Mini' to some of them which make them capable of putting inside your bag, tho I dont think it does matter. For 'Watefall' I can only think of 'Rope Hook'.

Lastly, PLEAE DONT REMOVE TM31 Brick Break... This skill is a nice combination movesets for Typhlosion.
If you got TM31, which can make Typhlosion strong against 12 out of 16 types.
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Old November 8th, 2011 (06:52 AM).
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Quote originally posted by pirateof7sea:
Hey, actually I think that carrying HM slaves are annoying and wasting our slot so I suggest that changing HM moves to Key Items instead. But still you can get the HM moves at the same time you get the Key Items

Replacement:-
No. | Hm move | Key Item name
1. Cut - Hatchet / Axe
2. Fly - Hot Air Balloon / Air Ship / Helicopter
3. Surf - Raft / Motor Boat / Hovercraft
4. Strength - Robot / Dozer
5. Flash - Torch Light / Fire Torch / Lighter
6. Rock Smash - Pick Axe / Hammer / Hand Driller / TNT / Dynamite
7. Waterfall - Rope Hook
8. Dive - Submarine / Scuba Tool / Newt Suit

You could add 'Mini' to some of them which make them capable of putting inside your bag, tho I dont think it does matter. For 'Watefall' I can only think of 'Rope Hook'.

Lastly, PLEAE DONT REMOVE TM31 Brick Break... This skill is a nice combination movesets for Typhlosion.
If you got TM31, which can make Typhlosion strong against 12 out of 16 types.
I say this is a bad idea tbh, Surf is a freaking powerful move and most people have a water pokemon on their team while they playthrough the game, and that hm fits perfectly. The only weak hm's are whirlpool, rock smash, cut(unless you start with Chikorita, since this pokemon does not have the best move set of the three starters and cut is not that bad to teach this pokemon), and flash and those hm's are minor when it comes to playing through.

Quote originally posted by DarkDurandal:
I was talking about if it was a Christmas present.
Still the beta is being released this year, meaning this will in how you say it, it would still be a 2011 hack, which that concept makes no sense.
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Old November 8th, 2011 (08:35 AM).
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Quote originally posted by K2 XTREME:
Still the beta is being released this year, meaning this will in how you say it, it would still be a 2011 hack, which that concept makes no sense.
Hey, its my opinion .... no need to interfere.
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Old November 9th, 2011 (02:20 AM).
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No pokegear eh? I guess it was expected and it will certainly make a release quicker and easier. Previously I said i only work on LC on wednesdays, well i've been working almost every day this week and have ticked off around 18 items on the todo list.

So what did I do that was good? Well those who played 2.1 will notice the weekly events were activated by the weather conditions, and when they appeared (for example haircut brothers) you could use them infinitely, unlike the original. Those who played 3.0 will know that Day & Night is present and worked with the weekly events but those people could still be used infinitely that day compared to the originals once per day. Well Now they work as expected and will happen only once on that day. I can't really explain it but thats an awesome thing (especially that its fool-proof and will always work, except on a parallel universe...).

So.. When I release it i'll list hopefully a large change log if i can remember everything.

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Old November 9th, 2011 (02:43 AM).
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Great news! really looking forward to the release and keep up the hard work LAZ.
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Old November 9th, 2011 (03:40 AM).
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Quote originally posted by K2 XTREME:
I say this is a bad idea tbh, Surf is a freaking powerful move and most people have a water pokemon on their team while they playthrough the game, and that hm fits perfectly. The only weak hm's are whirlpool, rock smash, cut(unless you start with Chikorita, since this pokemon does not have the best move set of the three starters and cut is not that bad to teach this pokemon), and flash and those hm's are minor when it comes to playing through.
See carefully what I typed, I mentioned that you will get the HM moves at the same time with Key Items. That mean you still could use HM moves on your Pokemon.
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Old November 9th, 2011 (03:59 AM).
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Quote originally posted by K2 XTREME:
I say this is a bad idea tbh, Surf is a freaking powerful move and most people have a water pokemon on their team while they playthrough the game, and that hm fits perfectly. The only weak hm's are whirlpool, rock smash, cut(unless you start with Chikorita, since this pokemon does not have the best move set of the three starters and cut is not that bad to teach this pokemon), and flash and those hm's are minor when it comes to playing through.
Remember This is gen 3, Waterfall and dive are useless in battle and if you train your Flying Pokemon well you won't want it knowing fly seeing as this is back when it's still a very underwhelming move. Which only leaves Surf and Strength, and even then pirateof7sea suggested that we get the hm moves in addition to the items.

I agree with pirateof7sea i'd rather have them as HM's because noone enjoyed having to lug around an HMslave or having to fight RED with a pokemon that had to know Strength, waterfall, surf and rocksmash.

And TM31 Brick Break is our only Reliable offensive fighting type TM, the game cannot compensate for not having it.
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Old November 9th, 2011 (07:12 AM).
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Quote originally posted by Zetsubou Johnny:
Remember This is gen 3, Waterfall and dive are useless in battle and if you train your Flying Pokemon well you won't want it knowing fly seeing as this is back when it's still a very underwhelming move. Which only leaves Surf and Strength, and even then pirateof7sea suggested that we get the hm moves in addition to the items.

I agree with pirateof7sea i'd rather have them as HM's because noone enjoyed having to lug around an HMslave or having to fight RED with a pokemon that had to know Strength, waterfall, surf and rocksmash.

And TM31 Brick Break is our only Reliable offensive fighting type TM, the game cannot compensate for not having it.
Sorry to say though, that suggestion is very very unlikely to be used. And hm's there effects are not used in battle(there effects only can be used out of battle) so no hm is useless in battle. Surf, Waterfall, and Strength are the most powerful of the hms when in battle. Surf=95, Waterfall & Strength= 80.

For the common flying pokemon Fly is the second powerful flying move they can learn, strongest if they can't learn drill peck.
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Old November 9th, 2011 (07:57 AM). Edited November 9th, 2011 by Zetsubou Johnny.
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Quote originally posted by K2 XTREME:
Sorry to say though, that suggestion is very very unlikely to be used. And hm's there effects are not used in battle(there effects only can be used out of battle) so no hm is useless in battle. Surf, Waterfall, and Strength are the most powerful of the hms when in battle. Surf=95, Waterfall & Strength= 80.

For the common flying pokemon Fly is the second powerful flying move they can learn, strongest if they can't learn drill peck.
It's understandable for the moves not to be cast to the side. but two turns to do 70 damage verses 2 aerial ace's or wing attacks isn't the best. Heck even two gusts can out perform it, it's not the best move. And since this is before the physical/special split waterfall just paled in comparison compared to surf. You are right, no HM is useless in battle, but several are rarely used in battle and hinder alot more than help. HMs are generally burdens converting them to key items would make the game play alot smoother and make it easier for the player to give their 110%

And we never meant it as an either/or thing, both the moves and the items can be used, but the player will still be able to clear the obstacle even without having a pokemon with the hm move if they have the key item. It makes it easier for the trainer to have 6 pokemon with none of them devoted to being hm users and all of them having their ideal movesets. You wouldn't use rocksmash in a tournament you shouldn't have to use it to fight Red.
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Old November 9th, 2011 (08:20 AM).
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I have built pretty good teams with the hm's, and since water is special in the first 3 gens, and water pokemon generally are spc. attackers.

The only hm's I would not use on my main party is flash, whirlpool, and rock smash. I'll catch a slave who will only be in party only when needed for those hm's.

I like fly, even if it is a two turn move, but the good thing about it being a two turn move is you opponent pokemon will be wasting their pp's when trying to attack you.
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Old November 9th, 2011 (12:28 PM).
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Quote originally posted by K2 XTREME:
I have built pretty good teams with the hm's, and since water is special in the first 3 gens, and water pokemon generally are spc. attackers.

The only hm's I would not use on my main party is flash, whirlpool, and rock smash. I'll catch a slave who will only be in party only when needed for those hm's.

I like fly, even if it is a two turn move, but the good thing about it being a two turn move is you opponent pokemon will be wasting their pp's when trying to attack you.
So why not make other set of Key Item that have the same effect as HMs? Key Item Inventory will never be fully occupied ether. Also, LAZ might increase the usage of HMs/TMs outside battle because there is third region which to be completely released soon, Orange Island.(like Wesly's PKMN LP extra 8 TMs)

I also saw some of beta 3.1 screenie that LAZ is using DPPt tiles/sprites, I hope he would change the tiles or setting inside the cave or event that need to be triggered the legendary pokemons. The current cave tiles and setting are boring.
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Old November 9th, 2011 (12:41 PM).
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I made a suggestion somewhat along these lines over at the Pokemon World Forums. Only my idea was that other moves would have the same effects as HMs. (Such as slash doing the same thing as cut, or Brick Break doing the same thing as Rock Smash.) I must say, however, that I really like pirate's idea better...

Regardless, LinkandZelda replied to me saying:

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Regarding HMs again, they are HMs for a reason. If those generic moves such as slash can cut trees (which in reality they could) then theres no reason for HMs at all. It's again making it easier.
I think she's trying to keep as much of the feel of the original game as she possibly can. I respect her wishes on that though, if I'm being completely honest, I still don't like HMs very much...

It's a minor point of opinion, though. The game will be great regardless!
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Old November 9th, 2011 (01:10 PM).
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Quote originally posted by CrimsonK:
I made a suggestion somewhat along these lines over at the Pokemon World Forums. Only my idea was that other moves would have the same effects as HMs. (Such as slash doing the same thing as cut, or Brick Break doing the same thing as Rock Smash.) I must say, however, that I really like pirate's idea better...

Regardless, LinkandZelda replied to me saying:

I think she's trying to keep as much of the feel of the original game as she possibly can. I respect her wishes on that though, if I'm being completely honest, I still don't like HMs very much...

It's a minor point of opinion, though. The game will be great regardless!
As much as we like to hear suggestions, the idea goes against what the concept of a remake is. We will not be doing this. If you don't like HM's why do you even play pokémon ?

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Also, regarding tiles guys; I will be doing them, graphics will all be made by me this time to ensure no goofy sprites/ tiles. If you guys actually read/ look at my updates you'd see that. Sorry if I sound harsh, but all the information is given correctly already. I think I've probably repeated things like 20 times now - It gets pretty annoying which is why I rarely post updates here - By all means if you need me or want to talk about Liquid Crystal follow my twitter - I'm less mean there .

To clarify: Graphics will not be rips from DPPt - I make great graphics in general, bare with me.
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Old November 9th, 2011 (01:32 PM).
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Decided to playthrough Beta 2 again today.
Just curios will the gym tiles be revamped some of the look really ugly and hurt my eyes literally.
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Old November 10th, 2011 (12:10 AM).
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Decided to playthrough Beta 2 again today.
Just curios will the gym tiles be revamped some of the look really ugly and hurt my eyes literally.
Might I ask which ones particularly?
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