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Old March 20th, 2011, 05:39 PM
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While browsing this section I found a post by colcolstyles (see below) about the amount of frames that the titlescreen in FireRed is displayed for. I then thought to myself "That'd be a good way to add an animation to the titlescreen!" and then I posted this thread.

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For anyone who's interested, at '0x078c1c' there is a 32-bit number (the default value is '0x00000a8b') which dictates the number of frames for which the titlescreen is displayed before resetting. The GBA operates at roughly 60 frames per second and '0xa8b' divided by 60 is 45 so the unedited titlescreen is displayed for 45 seconds. You can change that number (remember to reverse it) to lengthen or shorten the amount of time it takes for the titlescreen to reset.

This is for Fire Red, by the way.
Anyway, my idea is to inject a routine just before that check to change the tileset/tilemap of the Charizard on the titlescreen, based on the amount of frames passed, allowing for animations to be used.

This would be a much better way of having an animated titlescreen than anything done before now(I think), since more than 2 frames will be able to be used.

I'll let you all know how it goes!!

EDIT:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SA95KzAgb48
Success has been had.

EDIT2:
It now works by using a data array that works as such:
Code:
word:   Pointer to image
byte:   Pause Length
byte:   Next Frame
hword:  Buffer
...so a simple endless-loop animation (like in the video) would be possible, or you could play the first few frames once, then loop to a frame somewhere in the middle. Or you can stop the animation at the end by pointing to its own frame. The animation can be up to 255 frames.

So yeah, it just changes the tiles, not the tilemap, as that seems to suffice.

Any other ideas?

EDIT:
Zapdos in the animation: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnm4SkwE22I
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Old March 21st, 2011, 04:37 PM
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Nice work! Now we only need to be able to 'pull' tilemaps across the screen...
And make this work in Emerald too, as it just resets on the end of the song.


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Old March 21st, 2011, 11:31 PM
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For Emerald, I think it would be better to use an OAM. Of course, this would make moving of the animation a lot easier as well. But it would limit the size of the animation to 64x64. :\
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Old March 22nd, 2011, 05:17 AM
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Awesome, thanks for this, I can't wait to quit programming and try it out at somepoint.

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Old March 22nd, 2011, 11:32 AM
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Cool idea. Once I have finished all my school work I'll contribute.
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Old March 22nd, 2011, 02:20 PM
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I wouldn't know, exactly, how to get the game to load a new OAM to the title screen, or how to have it animate... well, that would probably just use the frame system we've already found. But I wouldn't know how to make it, say, go across the screen. Then again, I don't know how to do that with tilemaps either...


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Old March 22nd, 2011, 03:49 PM
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I like this. I'd like to see this as a complete working animated title screen someday. Congrats on your effort. Do you think it'd be possible to use the animated sprites of the Pokemon in Black and White, after resized, in the title screens?

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Old March 22nd, 2011, 05:45 PM
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Yeah, but not with the way they are stored in the B/W ROM, since they are stored as "parts" rather than full frames. But if you make/find full frames, and give me the order, I can make a video showing it.

EDIT: I got bored an put in Zapdos' animation. Well... kind of. Just the frames. Not the FULL animation, though that is very possible.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnm4SkwE22I

There is a downside to this hack, though. It takes quite a bit of space. The entire Zapdos animation (frames, tilemap and routine) take up 11.55kb (11,828 bytes) in the ROM. Which only works out to about 0.0007% of the entire (un-expanded) ROM, but it's still quite a bit.
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Yeah, but not with the way they are stored in the B/W ROM, since they are stored as "parts" rather than full frames. But if you make/find full frames, and give me the order, I can make a video showing it.

EDIT: I got bored an put in Zapdos' animation. Well... kind of. Just the frames. Not the FULL animation, though that is very possible.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnm4SkwE22I

There is a downside to this hack, though. It takes quite a bit of space. The entire Zapdos animation (frames, tilemap and routine) take up 11.55kb (11,828 bytes) in the ROM. Which only works out to about 0.0007% of the entire (un-expanded) ROM, but it's still quite a bit.


nice vid man

i'm guessing that you should probably complete the hack before you input the titlescreen...
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Old March 23rd, 2011, 01:55 PM
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Yeah, but not with the way they are stored in the B/W ROM, since they are stored as "parts" rather than full frames. But if you make/find full frames, and give me the order, I can make a video showing it.

EDIT: I got bored an put in Zapdos' animation. Well... kind of. Just the frames. Not the FULL animation, though that is very possible.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnm4SkwE22I

There is a downside to this hack, though. It takes quite a bit of space. The entire Zapdos animation (frames, tilemap and routine) take up 11.55kb (11,828 bytes) in the ROM. Which only works out to about 0.0007% of the entire (un-expanded) ROM, but it's still quite a bit.
That's pretty damn cool. Not kidding. If I was able to do this for my hack, I would do so by all means. But, the one thing that bugs me the most is the flames in the background. Is it possible to use them elsewhere on the screen. I do know they can be edited using UnLzGBA, but yeah.

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Old March 23rd, 2011, 03:45 PM
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^ He's not actually making a hack. He's hacking. you know, learning, experimenting in areas others haven't really abused much. It's pretty cool and fun.
ANYWAYS, what I *really* came here with.
I tried bpr 08078C1C 2
and nothing ever came up.
But it's okay, I followed that post link, and read down on that thread a bit further where Knizz ( Reference ) posted the offset of the comparison. I looked up the point where r0 is loaded with the value.
Spoiler:

08078bf8 4907 ldr r1, [$08078c18] (=$03005098)
08078bfa 1840 add r0, r0, r1
08078bfc 2300 mov r3, #0x0
08078bfe 5ec1 ldsh r1, [r0, r3]
08078c00 4806 ldr r0, [$08078c1c] (=$00000a8b)
08078c02 4281 cmp r1, r0
08078c04 dd05 ble $08078c12

And I was wondering, is the bpr not triggering because it's not ldr-ing a constant value? :\

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Old March 23rd, 2011, 10:02 PM
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^ He's not actually making a hack. He's hacking. you know, learning, experimenting in areas others haven't really abused much. It's pretty cool and fun.
ANYWAYS, what I *really* came here with.
I tried bpr 08078C1C 2
and nothing ever came up.
But it's okay, I followed that post link, and read down on that thread a bit further where Knizz ( Reference ) posted the offset of the comparison. I looked up the point where r0 is loaded with the value.
Spoiler:

08078bf8 4907 ldr r1, [$08078c18] (=$03005098)
08078bfa 1840 add r0, r0, r1
08078bfc 2300 mov r3, #0x0
08078bfe 5ec1 ldsh r1, [r0, r3]
08078c00 4806 ldr r0, [$08078c1c] (=$00000a8b)
08078c02 4281 cmp r1, r0
08078c04 dd05 ble $08078c12

And I was wondering, is the bpr not triggering because it's not ldr-ing a constant value? :\
I had the same problem, I think. I had to manually go to the offset and look for the part that loaded it. :\ I have no idea why, though. Sorry.

I use No$GBA to debug, though. Not VBA.



Anyway, if anyone wants the routine as is, PM me for it. I'm sure it can be optimized, but I don't have much free time to do so.
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Old March 25th, 2011, 06:14 AM
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Nice work! Now we only need to be able to 'pull' tilemaps across the screen...
And make this work in Emerald too, as it just resets on the end of the song.
In regards to this, I looked in to it, and it's a LOT easier to move the tilemap than I thought it would be. Infact, I implemented it and it seems to work fine. Except when moving it from the X-axis, from off the screen, since the GBA hardware "wraps" the tilemap, which makes it come from left if moved off the right, and visa versa. :\ I can't see an easy way around this... Y-axis has no problem at all, though.

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EDIT2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NuetDQEUqKQ
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Old March 25th, 2011, 11:01 AM
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Wow, that really is quite amazing. Great work! I only wish I knew more so that I could contribute to this.
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Old March 25th, 2011, 02:17 PM
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There's an I/O flag for the BG layer that checks for wrapping.
Disable it and you're good to go.


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Old March 25th, 2011, 07:02 PM
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There's an I/O flag for the BG layer that checks for wrapping.
Disable it and you're good to go.
Yeah, I tried that, but I couldn't get it working. I'll have another go later.
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Wow... Amazing job on this, I was having a two-framed titlescreen before, and I look into this for more frames :D
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Mm, cool idea. I'll be keeping my eye on this. :)

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Old March 27th, 2011, 01:12 PM
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Hey, I tried that routine.
I think I did a nice job at understanding it.
You load a pointer to an array of those structures
Then, you load a pointer to the image and copy it.
Then you wait until the frame count for that image passes
Then you load the next and continue. { you store the fc and the current frame in that RAM_ADDRESS location thing. }
But one question, how do you know when to reset back to the first image?
{ I still haven't actually gotten this thing to work btw. I probably just need to start with a fresh ROM and go from there. }
Also, some other questions.
For that routine, does it use a tilemap? What about the graphics, should they be compressed, or decompressed?
*edit*
NVM on the knowing when to restart. You just set the `next frame` value to 0.
I FEEL SILLY now. But the questions of tilemaps uncompressed/compressed still remains.
Although I have a feeling it's uncompressed with a tilemap...(GbaTek doesn't say swi 0xC uncompresses any data )

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Hey, I tried that routine.
I think I did a nice job at understanding it.
You load a pointer to an array of those structures
Then, you load a pointer to the image and copy it.
Then you wait until the frame count for that image passes
Then you load the next and continue. { you store the fc and the current frame in that RAM_ADDRESS location thing. }
But one question, how do you know when to reset back to the first image?
{ I still haven't actually gotten this thing to work btw. I probably just need to start with a fresh ROM and go from there. }
Also, some other questions.
For that routine, does it use a tilemap? What about the graphics, should they be compressed, or decompressed?
*edit*
NVM on the knowing when to restart. You just set the `next frame` value to 0.
I FEEL SILLY now. But the questions of tilemaps uncompressed/compressed still remains.
Although I have a feeling it's uncompressed with a tilemap...(GbaTek doesn't say swi 0xC uncompresses any data )
The routine I gave you doesn't load any tilemap, it just uses the one in the original titlescreen, so you can replace that one. All graphics are compressed.

EDIT: Also, I don't know where you got SWI 0xC from? The only SWI used is 0x12 (LZ77UnCompVram.)
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Old March 28th, 2011, 05:08 AM
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OH! I thought that was a decimal twelve, which I thought was odd. Awesome, thanks.

Okay...I must be doing something wrong.
I inserted my routine, and adjusted the original as you recommended ( I remembered to add 1 to the offset ) and I can view the titlescreen, and continue to the continue/new game screen. However...the swi function I think is causing some issues. It's copying *way* too much data, and it looks corrupt in the tile-viewer. ( I did insert two frames using unlz.GBA )



The Title Screen as it appears now.


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Nice. Is it possible to get objects moving left to fight ie: fireballs going left and right rather than up and down?
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Nice. Is it possible to get objects moving left to fight ie: fireballs going left and right rather than up and down?
I would think so, you would just have to find where their animation is controlled.

Also, will you ever release your ASM on this?
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I already give it out to people who ask for it. But it's still messy, and uncommented.
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Are you still developing this? I don't know much about ASM but implementing this would kind of make it worth learning it in my opinion.
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