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Old May 2nd, 2011 (01:37 PM).
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That's right... Smogon just released its cut-off for the OU tier. The total amount of OU Pokémon are cut short in the usage statistics stopping at #53, Tornadus. Here's the list of OU Pokémon (meaning, these guys aren't allowed in UU!)....

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APR 2011 BW OU USAGE
 Total Battles: 299644
 + ---- + --------------- + ------ + ------- + 
 | Rank | Pokemon         | Usage  | Percent | 
 + ---- + --------------- + ------ + ------- + 
 | 1    | Ferrothorn      | 127997 | 21.3582 | 
 | 2    | Tyranitar       | 124735 | 20.8139 | 
 | 3    | Scizor          | 112589 | 18.7871 | 
 | 4    | Garchomp        | 109670 | 18.3000 | 
 | 5    | Gliscor         |  89599 | 14.9509 | 
 | 6    | Latios          |  78471 | 13.0940 | 
 | 7    | Excadrill       |  78095 | 13.0313 | 
 | 8    | Reuniclus       |  76510 | 12.7668 | 
 | 9    | Heatran         |  72800 | 12.1477 | 
 | 10   | Rotom-W         |  69963 | 11.6744 | 
 | 11   | Conkeldurr      |  64134 | 10.7017 | 
 | 12   | Jirachi         |  62501 | 10.4292 | 
 | 13   | Politoed        |  61688 | 10.2935 | 
 | 14   | Dragonite       |  60079 | 10.0251 | 
 | 15   | Thundurus       |  57828 |  9.6495 | 
 | 16   | Gengar          |  57689 |  9.6263 | 
 | 17   | Jellicent       |  54143 |  9.0346 | 
 | 18   | Skarmory        |  53975 |  9.0065 | 
 | 19   | Volcarona       |  52072 |  8.6890 | 
 | 20   | Starmie         |  49991 |  8.3417 | 
 | 21   | Gyarados        |  46153 |  7.7013 | 
 | 22   | Hydreigon       |  42618 |  7.1114 | 
 | 23   | Forretress      |  41393 |  6.9070 | 
 | 24   | Blissey         |  40940 |  6.8314 | 
 | 25   | Infernape       |  39458 |  6.5841 | 
 | 26   | Ninetales       |  37550 |  6.2658 | 
 | 27   | Vaporeon        |  35047 |  5.8481 | 
 | 28   | Salamence       |  34864 |  5.8176 | 
 | 29   | Breloom         |  32410 |  5.4081 | 
 | 30   | Chandelure      |  31648 |  5.2809 | 
 | 31   | Scrafty         |  31427 |  5.2441 | 
 | 32   | Tentacruel      |  31247 |  5.2140 | 
 | 33   | Metagross       |  31188 |  5.2042 | 
 | 34   | Terrakion       |  31080 |  5.1862 | 
 | 35   | Swampert        |  30888 |  5.1541 | 
 | 36   | Haxorus         |  29906 |  4.9903 | 
 | 37   | Lucario         |  28559 |  4.7655 | 
 | 38   | Cloyster        |  28456 |  4.7483 | 
 | 39   | Hippowdon       |  28282 |  4.7193 | 
 | 40   | Magnezone       |  27769 |  4.6337 | 
 | 41   | Deoxys-S        |  27314 |  4.5577 | 
 | 42   | Machamp         |  26504 |  4.4226 | 
 | 43   | Landorus        |  26297 |  4.3880 | 
 | 44   | Whimsicott      |  25583 |  4.2689 | 
 | 45   | Latias          |  25340 |  4.2284 | 
 | 46   | Bronzong        |  25206 |  4.2060 | 
 | 47   | Mienshao        |  24469 |  4.0830 | 
 | 48   | Darmanitan      |  23841 |  3.9782 | 
 | 49   | Toxicroak       |  23494 |  3.9203 | 
 | 50   | Virizion        |  23124 |  3.8586 | 
 | 51   | Venusaur        |  21397 |  3.5704 | 
 | 52   | Porygon2        |  20833 |  3.4763 | 
 | 53   | Tornadus        |  20586 |  3.4351 | 
+ ---- + --------------- + ------ + ------- +



...And the list of UU Pokémon & below. I cut the list at a point where you don't have to worry about scrolling through useless Pokémon and NFEs.
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+ ---- + --------------- + ------ + ------- + 
 | Rank | Pokemon         | Usage  | Percent | 
 + ---- + --------------- + ------ + ------- + 
 | 54   | Espeon          |  19721 |  3.2907 | 
 | 55   | Azumarill       |  19118 |  3.1901 | 
 | 56   | Jolteon         |  18920 |  3.1571 | 
 | 57   | Zapdos          |  18764 |  3.1310 | 
 | 58   | Chansey         |  18626 |  3.1080 | 
 | 59   | Zoroark         |  17937 |  2.9931 | 
 | 60   | Togekiss        |  17508 |  2.9215 | 
 | 61   | Sigilyph        |  17463 |  2.9140 | 
 | 62   | Slowbro         |  17045 |  2.8442 | 
 | 63   | Electivire      |  16999 |  2.8365 | 
 | 64   | Donphan         |  16148 |  2.6945 | 
 | 65   | Hitmontop       |  15974 |  2.6655 | 
 | 66   | Azelf           |  15437 |  2.5759 | 
 | 67   | Kingdra         |  15318 |  2.5560 | 
 | 68   | Mamoswine       |  15316 |  2.5557 | 
 | 69   | Celebi          |  15261 |  2.5465 | 
 | 70   | Quagsire        |  15230 |  2.5413 | 
 | 71   | Nidoking        |  15004 |  2.5036 | 
 | 72   | Arcanine        |  14283 |  2.3833 | 
 | 73   | Milotic         |  14053 |  2.3449 | 
 | 74   | Suicune         |  13942 |  2.3264 | 
 | 75   | Weavile         |  13680 |  2.2827 | 
 | 76   | Mew             |  13497 |  2.2522 | 
 | 77   | Aerodactyl      |  12415 |  2.0716 | 
 | 78   | Sawsbuck        |  12370 |  2.0641 | 
 | 79   | Empoleon        |  12179 |  2.0322 | 
 | 80   | Snorlax         |  11936 |  1.9917 | 
 | 81   | Abomasnow       |  11843 |  1.9762 | 
 | 82   | Missingno       |  11698 |  1.9520 | 
 | 83   | Eelektross      |  10831 |  1.8073 | 
 | 84   | Ninjask         |  10639 |  1.7753 | 
 | 85   | Cofagrigus      |  10003 |  1.6691 | 
 | 86   | Gorebyss        |   9869 |  1.6468 | 
 | 87   | Dusclops        |   9862 |  1.6456 | 
 | 88   | Smeargle        |   9862 |  1.6456 | 
 | 89   | Flygon          |   9750 |  1.6269 | 
 | 90   | Victini         |   9659 |  1.6117 | 
 | 91   | Charizard       |   9373 |  1.5640 | 
 | 92   | Spiritomb       |   9006 |  1.5028 | 
 | 93   | Shaymin         |   8876 |  1.4811 | 
 | 94   | Gastrodon       |   8398 |  1.4013 | 
 | 95   | Bisharp         |   8202 |  1.3686 | 
 | 96   | Heracross       |   8032 |  1.3403 | 
 | 97   | Galvantula      |   8009 |  1.3364 | 
 | 98   | Ambipom         |   7993 |  1.3337 | 
 | 99   | Umbreon         |   7985 |  1.3324 | 
 | 100  | Cresselia       |   7783 |  1.2987 | 
 | 101  | Dusknoir        |   7740 |  1.2915 | 
 | 102  | Kyurem          |   7309 |  1.2196 | 
 | 103  | Roserade        |   7260 |  1.2114 | 
 | 104  | Crobat          |   7166 |  1.1958 | 
 | 105  | Escavalier      |   7047 |  1.1759 | 
 | 106  | Xatu            |   7040 |  1.1747 | 
 | 107  | Ludicolo        |   6946 |  1.1590 | 
 | 108  | Gallade         |   6859 |  1.1445 | 
 | 109  | Krookodile      |   6848 |  1.1427 | 
 | 110  | Archeops        |   6837 |  1.1409 | 
 | 111  | Raikou          |   6762 |  1.1283 | 
 | 112  | Accelgor        |   6690 |  1.1163 | 
 | 113  | Alakazam        |   6679 |  1.1145 | 
 | 114  | Tangrowth       |   6369 |  1.0628 | 
 | 115  | Exeggutor       |   6314 |  1.0536 | 
 | 116  | Froslass        |   6288 |  1.0492 | 
 | 117  | Blastoise       |   6036 |  1.0072 | 
 | 118  | Dugtrio         |   6025 |  1.0054 | 
 | 119  | Weezing         |   5703 |  0.9516 | 
 | 120  | Yanmega         |   5660 |  0.9445 | 
 | 121  | Sharpedo        |   5555 |  0.9269 | 
 | 122  | Porygon-Z       |   5334 |  0.8901 | 
 | 123  | Rhyperior       |   5210 |  0.8694 | 
 | 124  | Rotom-H         |   5207 |  0.8689 | 
 | 125  | Sceptile        |   5107 |  0.8522 | 
 | 126  | Lilligant       |   4902 |  0.8180 | 
 | 127  | Deoxys-D        |   4793 |  0.7998 | 
 | 128  | Mandibuzz       |   4628 |  0.7722 | 
 | 129  | Honchkrow       |   4604 |  0.7682 | 
 | 130  | Staraptor       |   4578 |  0.7639 | 
 | 131  | Claydol         |   4348 |  0.7255 | 
 | 132  | Carracosta      |   4330 |  0.7225 | 
 | 133  | Clefable        |   4330 |  0.7225 | 
 | 134  | Shuckle         |   4327 |  0.7220 | 
 | 135  | Golurk          |   4326 |  0.7219 | 
 | 136  | Crustle         |   4220 |  0.7042 | 
 | 137  | Uxie            |   4174 |  0.6965 | 
 | 138  | Venomoth        |   4092 |  0.6828 | 
 | 139  | Scolipede       |   4021 |  0.6710 | 
 | 140  | Cradily         |   3903 |  0.6513 | 
 | 141  | Wobbuffet       |   3879 |  0.6473 | 
 | 142  | Lapras          |   3785 |  0.6316 | 
 | 143  | Walrein         |   3724 |  0.6214 | 
 | 144  | Gardevoir       |   3683 |  0.6146 | 
 | 145  | Houndoom        |   3582 |  0.5977 | 
 | 146  | Absol           |   3493 |  0.5829 | 
 | 147  | Drapion         |   3420 |  0.5707 | 
 | 148  | Aron            |   3391 |  0.5658 | 
 | 149  | Mismagius       |   3329 |  0.5555 | 
 | 150  | Leafeon         |   3300 |  0.5507 | 
 | 151  | Lanturn         |   3253 |  0.5428 | 
 | 152  | Nidoqueen       |   3117 |  0.5201 | 
 | 153  | Scyther         |   2990 |  0.4989 | 
 | 154  | Durant          |   2970 |  0.4956 | 
 | 155  | Swellow         |   2880 |  0.4806 | 
 | 156  | Slowking        |   2776 |  0.4632 | 
 | 157  | Serperior       |   2722 |  0.4542 | 
 | 158  | Stoutland       |   2702 |  0.4509 | 
 | 159  | Golduck         |   2695 |  0.4497 | 
 | 160  | Aggron          |   2622 |  0.4375 | 
 | 161  | Cobalion        |   2621 |  0.4374 | 
 | 162  | Typhlosion      |   2596 |  0.4332 | 
 | 163  | Probopass       |   2568 |  0.4285 | 
 | 164  | Shiftry         |   2514 |  0.4195 | 
 | 165  | Omastar         |   2472 |  0.4125 | 
 | 166  | Braviary        |   2445 |  0.4080 | 
 | 167  | Kabutops        |   2444 |  0.4078 | 
 | 168  | Tangela         |   2430 |  0.4055 | 
 | 169  | Parasect        |   2418 |  0.4035 | 
 | 170  | Gigalith        |   2414 |  0.4028 | 
 | 171  | Magmortar       |   2367 |  0.3950 | 
 | 172  | Jumpluff        |   2328 |  0.3885 | 
 | 173  | Rotom-C         |   2245 |  0.3746 | 
 | 174  | Feraligatr      |   2219 |  0.3703 | 
 | 175  | Steelix         |   2207 |  0.3683 | 
 | 176  | Emboar          |   2203 |  0.3676 | 
 | 177  | Manectric       |   2180 |  0.3638 | 
 | 178  | Marowak         |   2175 |  0.3629 | 
 | 179  | Samurott        |   2157 |  0.3599 | 
 | 180  | Registeel       |   2119 |  0.3536 | 
 | 181  | Medicham        |   2044 |  0.3411 | 
 | 182  | Miltank         |   2032 |  0.3391 | 
 | 183  | Drifblim        |   2030 |  0.3387 | 
 | 184  | Hariyama        |   2028 |  0.3384 | 
 | 185  | Shedinja        |   1958 |  0.3267 | 
 | 186  | Altaria         |   1929 |  0.3219 | 
 | 187  | Slaking         |   1927 |  0.3215 | 
 | 188  | Poliwrath       |   1925 |  0.3212 | 
 | 189  | Torterra        |   1918 |  0.3200 | 
 | 190  | Alomomola       |   1876 |  0.3130 | 
 | 191  | Bouffalant      |   1876 |  0.3130 | 
 | 192  | Druddigon       |   1864 |  0.3110 | 
 | 193  | Pikachu         |   1824 |  0.3044 | 
 | 194  | Gligar          |   1808 |  0.3017 | 
 | 195  | Regirock        |   1779 |  0.2969 | 
 | 196  | Murkrow         |   1764 |  0.2943 | 
 | 197  | Cinccino        |   1763 |  0.2942 | 
 | 198  | Glaceon         |   1665 |  0.2778 | 
 | 199  | Hitmonlee       |   1645 |  0.2745 | 
 | 200  | Lickilicky      |   1625 |  0.2712 | 
 + ---- + --------------- + ------ + ------- +


So, what do you think the new metagame's going to shape up like? What will be the dominant threats? Did any of the OU Pokémon surprise you? What might be banned in the near future? Go ahead, discuss to your hearts' content, kiddies. :)
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I got to #3 on PO's UU server which is essentially the same tier list.

Stall is really good with offense being mediocre in the tier and having so many defensive options to choose from, infact Chansey was suspect for "supporting the team too well".

Azelf was flat out banned which i expect again, because look at what it does to the tier with NP/Psyshock/Flamethrower/Filler lol.

Also and interesting note on Vulpix being banned too because of Drought.

Kingdra too looks nasty as its counters are few and between.
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I expect Victini to move up to OU promptly with the release of V-Create, Kyurem can be a big threat now with Scizor's bullet punch out of the way, and the reduction in defensive steal types that resist both of its STABs.

I think stall is a pretty cool style in this metagame to with Chansey, Deo-D, Cofagrigus (this is actually my defensive core to my new UU stall team :D) and the absence of rain to make hydro pump crush defensive pokemon. I feel it'll be way more fun than OU. ;D Just as soon as Victini goes I guess.
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I was surprised when Zapdos, Mew, Kingdra and Togekiss moved down to UU. I guess the Unova Pokemon made a pretty big impact, like Thundurus, as well as the new moves. I also thought Scrafty would be a UU Pokemon, but I was surprised when it became OU.
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lol scrafty above terakion is this world ending
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Old May 4th, 2011 (01:25 PM).
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Quote originally posted by Cycle:
lol scrafty above terakion is this world ending
Scrafty's actually really good. He's got a much easier time setting up, aka not being weak to every type of priority and actually having enough bulk to set up on things. Plus, it has a good speed tier to outrun most of the +0 metagame when he's at +1 and can set up on like some of the most common Pokémon in the meta, like Tyranitar and Ferrothorn (when it has Shed Skin). Terakion, while strong and with great type coverage in its STABs, is just too frail, priority weak, etc etc for it to be very successful. :(
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Quote originally posted by Vrai:
Scrafty's actually really good. He's got a much easier time setting up, aka not being weak to every type of priority and actually having enough bulk to set up on things. Plus, it has a good speed tier to outrun most of the +0 metagame when he's at +1 and can set up on like some of the most common Pokémon in the meta, like Tyranitar and Ferrothorn (when it has Shed Skin). Terakion, while strong and with great type coverage in its STABs, is just too frail, priority weak, etc etc for it to be very successful.
How is 91/90/90 not bulky especially in sand?

Also, priority weak is annoying but Scrafty also suffers from Mach Punch weakness which is more or less the only common priority in this metagame and Scizor. I have tried Scrafty (really good) but Terakion sweeps usually with just one rock polish or swords dance. Scrafty needs to set up a few times to get dem attack and speed.
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After +1, Scrafty can outspeed positive base 111s (most notably Thundurus). This is what makes the DD set so great. Also guys, Terrakion has two r's, just saying. The thing that Vrai is saying is he's weak to Scizor mainly. Scrafty is not. :x Scizor, sitting at 3rd in usage, basically decimates the Rock Polish user with a simple Bullet Punch, which OHKO's 2/3 of the time. Scrafty also has the ability to run a bulky...Bulk Up set, is a pseudo-status absorber with Shed Skin, and has the alternate ability of moxie which just makes it decimate anything not named Conkeldurr after snagging one/two kills.
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Hahah, Porygon2 made the cut (who's under who's shadow now, Snorlax)! Come to think of it, Snorlax and Zapados' falling to UU means that...Gengar and Starmie are the last Pokémon to remain OU for all five generations!

As for the big bad 660 dragon in UU, Kyurem might seem threatening with it's monster offensive stats, but movepool wise, it's still quite restricted, and it also has issues dealing with Chancey. Is it the 5th generation Slaking? Perhaps not. But it's still manageable, at least in its current state. Victini also seems rather problematic with V-Create, but this technique is at least checkable with Flash Fire and Pursuit. Still, I wonder...
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Old May 4th, 2011 (10:13 PM).
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Quote originally posted by Niprop:
Hahah, Porygon2 made the cut (who's under who's shadow now, Snorlax)! Come to think of it, Snorlax and Zapados' falling to UU means that...Gengar and Starmie are the last Pokémon to remain OU for all five generations!

As for the big bad 660 dragon in UU, Kyurem might seem threatening with it's monster offensive stats, but movepool wise, it's still quite restricted, and it also has issues dealing with Chancey. Is it the 5th generation Slaking? Perhaps not. But it's still manageable, at least in its current state. Victini also seems rather problematic with V-Create, but this technique is at least checkable with Flash Fire and Pursuit. Still, I wonder...
Chansey and Snorlax and the very few Steels in the UU metagame (Cobalion, perhaps?) are the only things that can even remotely consider checking Kyurem, really. And even then, they risk Kyurem running a mixed or a physical set which will probably just clear an entire sweep for another special sweeper. Toxic Spikes also help deal with Chansey and aren't too hard to set up due to there being a lack of common Poison-types (Nidoking? is that even found on the same team as Chansey lol).

Speaking of Chansey, I think that Snorlax is infinitely better insofar as actually being not useless. Chansey flat-out loses to a lot of things, especially things with 101 Subs (sub+claw sharpen kyurem) or things with Sub + Ghost-typing (sub np mismagius). Snorlax just... doesn't lose to them. Plus, it can stomp all over Kyurem kinda. I haven't used either because I haven't found a niche for a pure special wall in a team yet, but I think I'd prefer Snorlax.

Slowbro also seems like it will be outstandingly good in UU, checking literally every single physical attacker there is in the tier I think. :)
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I just really don't see why Starmie and Gengar are still in OU. :/ Sure, they are pretty good, been around for awhile... But still nothing too special to be so high up. They are outclassed and out-powered. neither has any means of boost sweeping either. Slap NP on them, maybe they deserve that OU spot...
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Celebi UU? Am I reading that correctly?
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Quote originally posted by Erufuun:
I just really don't see why Starmie and Gengar are still in OU. :/ Sure, they are pretty good, been around for awhile... But still nothing too special to be so high up. They are outclassed and out-powered. neither has any means of boost sweeping either. Slap NP on them, maybe they deserve that OU spot...
Gengar and Starmie both still have their niches as speedy, powerful special attackers not named Thundurus. Starmie has Rapid Spin, as well as the opportunity to nail Ferrothorn with HP Fire. Gengar shuts down Conkeldurr, outspeeds a lot of stuff, and idk it's 4 am when i'm writing this lol. :(

I'll come back with a better response later, I guess. :(

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Celebi UU? Am I reading that correctly?
Yes. What makes you think Celebi is useful...? It's not that fantastic at all this Gen.
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Quote originally posted by Vrai:
Yes. What makes you think Celebi is useful...? It's not that fantastic at all this Gen.
I can second that. Celebi isn't that useful in this gen. I used one, turned out it wasn't that great at all, but Conkeldurr have no match against it. Maybe it'll has its use in UU.
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I was also disappointed that Zoroark became UU. I thought it'd be OU because of its Illusion being useful if played right. But I guess Team Preview ruined that.
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Old May 5th, 2011 (04:06 AM).
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Gengar and Starmie both still have their niches as speedy, powerful special attackers not named Thundurus. Starmie has Rapid Spin, as well as the opportunity to nail Ferrothorn with HP Fire. Gengar shuts down Conkeldurr, outspeeds a lot of stuff, and idk it's 4 am when i'm writing this lol. :(

I'll come back with a better response later, I guess. :(



Yes. What makes you think Celebi is useful...? It's not that fantastic at all this Gen.

Yeah but one little nitpick,,,doesn't Conkeldurr out damage Gengar D;

UU if fun I suppose, however the lack of a reliable fighting type other than Hitmontop is sorta annoying.
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Old May 5th, 2011 (10:02 AM).
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I was also disappointed that Zoroark became UU. I thought it'd be OU because of its Illusion being useful if played right. But I guess Team Preview ruined that.
Haha careful with that kind of thought process (unless you mean you don't want to face it in your UU-tier play, in which case, disregard all of this). Just because a pokemon is in the UU tier does not mean it has no place in OU play, I still get fooled by that **** all the time probably because I don't pay enough attention at the team preview. However, I've seen my brother make good use of it by baiting with a poison pokemon on a turn when it's not going to take direct damage.

Looks to me like much of the tier is somewhat controlled by the still common rain play, considering the high usage numbers on Ferrothorn (though he's good in non-weather situations, too) and Jirachi (who I absolutely love against many water-types, and I imagine since SS+Drizzle is banned, rain stall is a popular option?).

Seeing Latias so low in usage surprises me, I love her bulk in this metagame. Also, looks like the suicide lead game is essentially dead, probably thanks to team preview.
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Old May 5th, 2011 (03:51 PM).
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Yeah but one little nitpick,,,doesn't Conkeldurr out damage Gengar D;

UU if fun I suppose, however the lack of a reliable fighting type other than Hitmontop is sorta annoying.
Gengar wins with SubDisable, which is imo one of its best sets. Also Cobalion is a decent Fighting-type but yeah, Hitmontop is much more reliable imo.

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Seeing Latias so low in usage surprises me, I love her bulk in this metagame. Also, looks like the suicide lead game is essentially dead, probably thanks to team preview.
Well Latios is usually preferred because it's easier to smash things with. Latias is generally more suited for teams that can utilize her bulk, aka stall teams which are really one of the hardest team styles to play and thus isn't used much. I've found several times when I wished I had Latias in UU, though - her typing is really cool and I want to be able to Wishpass without relying on that useless Chansey.

Yes, suicide leads are terrible. You have to actually use something that helps out your team. :(
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Old May 5th, 2011 (05:39 PM).
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Well Latios is usually preferred because it's easier to smash things with. Latias is generally more suited for teams that can utilize her bulk, aka stall teams which are really one of the hardest team styles to play and thus isn't used much. I've found several times when I wished I had Latias in UU, though - her typing is really cool and I want to be able to Wishpass without relying on that useless Chansey.
-Cough- @ stall ;D

Also Chansey is really good in UU, it got banned on PO because apparently it "supported the team too well due to its mixed defenses" there were calcs that showed it lived stuff like CC's from Terrakion etc, not by much but yeah. Its by far the best team supporter in UU, its far from useless but you must build your team to support her. She is at home best on stall where you cover her downfalls, which is a problem most morons have when just they slap her on a random team and expect her to work.



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Yes, suicide leads are terrible. You have to actually use something that helps out your team.
D-S is the only suicide lead that works, cos its THE utility mon lol.
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Old May 5th, 2011 (06:22 PM).
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Quote originally posted by Dark Azelf:
-Cough- @ stall ;D

Also Chansey is really good in UU, it got banned on PO because apparently it "supported the team too well due to its mixed defenses" there were calcs that showed it lived stuff like CC's from Terrakion etc, not by much but yeah. Its by far the best team supporter in UU, its far from useless but you must build your team to support her. She is at home best on stall where you cover her downfalls, which is a problem most morons have when just they slap her on a random team and expect her to work.

D-S is the only suicide lead that works, cos its THE utility mon lol.
Well tbh I'm not a stall player so I find very little derivative use for her atm. Plus, absolutely everything on my team sets up all over it so yeah. :( It just seems useless and Taunt-bait to me etc etc though I'm sure it's really more useful than I make it sound. :B

D-S, yeah. Forgot about it. XD
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Old May 12th, 2011 (04:04 PM).
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Hope Kyurem and Victini (well near everything) get banned soon.

Kyurem can do so much damage its unreal and essentially forces you to run Registeel because nothing else beats it well at all (Focus Blast nails that nicely though). :\ It can also run insane sets from anything from Specs to Hone Claws Mix sets with Blizzard or 101 HP Sub set to crap on Chansey. In Hail its even more difficult to deal with since it can just click Specs Blizzard. It also runs HP Fire as a standard move ever since people started using Shubarugo/Bug Knight to check it. That and people use Magic Bounce and Spinners with it so even SR is unreliable.

Victini also only needs V-Generate and Fusion Bolt to GG everything. Ive also seen Expert Belt Mix Sets that lure in Suicune with Grass Knot etc ughh. Once again it forces you to have a weather changer so Drought doesn't make it 2hko even 4x Fire resists like Kingdra and Omastar or a Flash Fire user. ._.

Baton Pass and Mew probably need to go to. Those dual screen Mew/Smash Pass teams are frikking stupidly broken.

Either way i hate this metagame, its terrible and retarded because of the arbitrary cut off point, OU is too small. Everything in UU is basically broken as they have few checks/counters. :\ There are no good steels so you can just spam dragons all day and win. You're forced to run a weather counter still just to avoid getting obliterated by drought and hail teams. ~___~

Lastly don't even get me started on Reckless Staraptor... ._.

TL;DR "wow ubers is a more balanced metagame."
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Old May 12th, 2011 (07:54 PM).
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Quote originally posted by Dark Azelf:
Hope Kyurem and Victini (well near everything) get banned soon.

Kyurem can do so much damage its unreal and essentially forces you to run Registeel because nothing else beats it well at all (Focus Blast nails that nicely though). :\ It can also run insane sets from anything from Specs to Hone Claws Mix sets with Blizzard or 101 HP Sub set to crap on Chansey. In Hail its even more difficult to deal with since it can just click Specs Blizzard. It also runs HP Fire as a standard move ever since people started using Shubarugo/Bug Knight to check it. -_- That and people use Magic Bounce and Spinners with it so even SR is unreliable.

Victini also only needs V-Generate and Fusion Bolt to GG everything. Ive also seen Expert Belt Mix Sets that lure in Suicune with Grass Knot etc ughh. Once again it forces you to have a weather changer so Drought doesn't make it 2hko even 4x Fire resists like Kingdra and Omastar or a Flash Fire user. ._.

Baton Pass and Mew probably need to go to. Those dual screen Mew/Smash Pass teams are frikking stupidly broken.

Either way i hate this metagame, its terrible and retarded because of the arbitrary cut off point, OU is too small. Everything in UU is basically broken as they have few checks/counters. :\ There are no good steels so you can just spam dragons all day and win. You're forced to run a weather counter still just to avoid getting obliterated by drought and hail teams. ~___~

Lastly don't even get me started on Reckless Staraptor... ._.

TL;DR "wow ubers is a more balanced metagame."
TBH I agree with most of your sentiments. Kyurem is hell, really, though I think a much better check than Registeel is Cobalion - it can come in on a Blizzard or Draco Meteor and at the very least force it out by outspeeding and threatening an OHKO with CC. It's the best check to Kyu I can think of, anyway. 101 Sub sets are really what make it broken imo, though - absolutely stuffing everything with its, what, 125/90/90 defenses? + a decent defensive typing with its Dragon-type and then not even Chansey being able to break it is all just ughhh. Kyurem is probably the most broken Pokemon out of any UU mon, imo.

I think Drought in general is broken, though I've only fought one or two effective players. Victreebel on its own really just mashes basically everything, and then that coupled with Victini and other decent Chlorophyll spammers makes Drought really too easy to smash through everything. The only thing that sucks for it is the awfulness of Vulpix which limits its ability to combat with Hail and Rain Dance Kingdra (does that even work lol). It's really really good when played effectively. I don't think Victini will be so powerful once the sun is gone.

Smashpass is broken and annoying as hell, especially with Taunt Mew stopping you from Roaring everything. >:<

Yeah, Dragons are also OP though I guess the only two usable ones are Flygon and Kyurem. Altaria is kinda... awful, and then icr if there even are any more lol. Eviolite Shelgon!? Nahhh. I mean, between running Cobalion and Kingdra, I had both weathers covered more or less with Weavile to pick off weakened Grass-type sun sweepers. I never had too much trouble with weather but I already built my team to deal with those kinds of threats.

Reckless Staraptor is insane. When I saw it at first, I was like "oh hell that must be CB" and then when it outsped my Weavile and OHKOd with CC I realized that it was Scarf. CB Staraptor will demolish like everything. :| I never really had much trouble outside of what you've mentioned, though. :<
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What the hell is Espeon doing in UU...This was before Magic Bounce/Mirror/whatever correct?
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Old May 14th, 2011 (08:04 PM).
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Quote originally posted by インフェルノの津波:
What the hell is Espeon doing in UU...This was before Magic Bounce/Mirror/whatever correct?
Nope. Magic Bounce was out during these usage results. I suspect its lack in usage is due to a couple factors:
- Xatu, with access to Stored Power, makes a formidable magic bouncer as well. This essentially splits the usage for the same role.
- With the wifi clause, people can see each others' teams before battling, and seeing an Espeon tells a player "don't try and set up spikes/SR until espeon is gone". This wrecks its usefulness for players that can't find a way to keep it alive long enough to either prevent hazards in the first place, or manage to work at the nerves of the opponent to the point where you reflect them back.
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But....but...Espeon can outspeed quite a few things...
 
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