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Old September 18th, 2012 (10:35 AM). Edited September 18th, 2012 by Erik Destler.
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My high school had no such thing. It was far too small, and even more small minded to have such a thing. :C The colleges I attended had ones, though.

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Old September 18th, 2012 (10:53 AM).
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My high school was Catholic. Surprisingly the principal (a nun) was really sympathetic to issues in the school relating to gay rights, such as harsh punishment on people that bullied others for their sexuality, but she drew the line at GSAs and at allowing same-sex couples to go to prom together. It always seemed like she didn't want to though, the way she phrased it, but she had to because otherwise they would lose the Catholic Church's funding lol.

Notre Dame also won't give us a decision on if they'll allow us to have an official GSA either. D; They're in a bad position because they want to be progressive but a lot of their money comes from old Catholic donors that would pull their support if they started becoming more un-Catholic haha. They had enough of an uproar over Obama coming to speak...sighhh.
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Old September 21st, 2012 (5:24 PM).
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Toujours why do you go everywhere Catholic

My school never had a GSA because... well, I live in Australia and the idea of schools having 'clubs' is a very American thing, I think. We had sports teams and that was pretty much it lol. Though if we did have one, I think "Labels Are For Cans" is actually a pretty good name. It's a shame people didn't understand what it meant lol.

And I'm sorry guys, I never watched the Muppets as a child so I guess I just don't have the nostalgic connection you guys do haha. It still sounds pretty boring to me
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My high school was like that too, although in the States.

Since I live in a small conservative town, it seems like clubs were few and far between, and the ones that did exist were not very active. Also, there were not many different religion, culture, or races that made up the student body. Our school's "diversity" consisted of 2 Buddhists, 4 Blacks, and 2 Asians which deviated from the 850 whites and 855 Christians. I don't know how much that was a factor. Even though clubs are usually promoting activities, interests, causes, among other things that aren't directly related to racial/religious/sexual identity, it just didn't seem like anyone was interested in joining one due to the atmosphere of the school. But rest assured, everyone seemed made sure to support the football and hockey teams since they contribute so much to the community and school...don't mind my satirical tone.

Also, what is childhood without the influence of inspiring women such as Miss Piggy?
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Andy, you have to hand in your gay license now. You won't be invited to the secret meetings and you're forbidden from using the secret handshake.
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Andy how have you not watched the Muppets!? I have only seen a few episodes but I have still seen some!

And my school also didnt have any clubs or even really any recognition of gay people. In all honesty I only know of 1 person who was lesbian so I doubt my old school could have even formed one. Clubs aren't really an Australian thing I guess.. This also makes me think is it hard for people to come out while still in high school?
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I just watched the new Muppet's Movie, and was not impressed with the fact that it had racial coding. This new group of "moppets" were going to replace the Muppet. The moppets came from poor neighborhoods and there is indication of high crime as gun shots were sounded off in the alley where the brown-skinned Miss Piggy counterpart, Miss "Poo"gy lived. OH, and look at Fozzy's counterpart; he is wearing large gold chains, a wife-beater, and a black hat as if to depict the a "thug-like" appearance. The whole idea was that these "urban" Muppet knock-off were villainous, and thereby making some syllogism between poor and urban blacks with corrupt and villainous criminals.

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Aside from that gaffe, I just didn't enjoy this movie at all
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I just watched the new Muppet's Movie, and was not impressed with the fact that it had racial coding. This new group of "moppets" were going to replace the Muppet. The moppets came from poor neighborhoods and there is indication of high crime as gun shots were sounded off in the alley where the brown-skinned Miss Piggy counterpart, Miss "Poo"gy lived. OH, and look at Fozzy's counterpart; he is wearing large gold chains, a wife-beater, and a black hat as if to depict the a "thug-like" appearance. The whole idea was that these "urban" Muppet knock-off were villainous, and thereby making some syllogism between poor and urban blacks with corrupt and villainous criminals.

Be wholesome like "us"...

...and don't be ghetto like "them"

Aside from that gaffe, I just didn't enjoy this movie at all :(
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But the Moopet Rowlf is meant to be some kind of biker like a Hell's Angel or something, which makes him a white stereotype. And Moopet Kermit is lighter than the real Kermit. I don't think they are overall "ghetto." They're just meant to represent a bunch of cynical versions of Muppets who don't live in Happy Rainbow Muppet Land.

BUT ANYWAY

I was talking with some friends last night and one of them brought up this story about a kid from my old town who was gay and killed himself several years back. He apparently had gone to his priest, parents, and other people to try to talk to them about it, but everyone he went to gave him some version of "it's wrong to be gay." I'd never heard of this. I mean, I knew there had been a kid who died while I was in school, but nothing about this was ever mentioned in anything that I heard and now I'm angry and sad, but mostly sad.
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But the Moopet Rowlf is meant to be some kind of biker like a Hell's Angel or something, which makes him a white stereotype. And Moopet Kermit is lighter than the real Kermit. I don't think they are overall "ghetto." They're just meant to represent a bunch of cynical versions of Muppets who don't live in Happy Rainbow Muppet Land.

BUT ANYWAY

I was talking with some friends last night and one of them brought up this story about a kid from my old town who was gay and killed himself several years back. He apparently had gone to his priest, parents, and other people to try to talk to them about it, but everyone he went to gave him some version of "it's wrong to be gay." I'd never heard of this. I mean, I knew there had been a kid who died while I was in school, but nothing about this was ever mentioned in anything that I heard and now I'm angry and sad, but mostly sad.
Haha, stop trying to rain-on my Muppet conspiracy theories! I still think there is at least a poverty and gang-related aspect to the portrayal. Although not explicitly alluding to black people, there could be some implicit undertones.

On another note, it is quite frustrating and upsetting to see how kids especially are not only affected by bullying of peers, but the condemnation of their parents, family, and pastors/priests/ministers. I'd like to see more churches either be more accepting, or at least have the decency to not interject their hateful and ignorant remarks/advice. Also, churches should be able to work with parents to help them with the issue in a way that actually helps the child.

Ugh, and the Pope sure ain't helping either with his inflammatory remarks.
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Old September 27th, 2012 (2:23 PM).
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My principal talked to me in 8th period today and said "Hey, I got your E-mail, and was busy. But sometime we can talk about what you thinking." So thats a good sign I think!

Oh, and I personally loved the Muppet movie.
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It just turned out this way! Catholic high school is far superior to my public high school, and I wanted to go to Columbia but waitlisting happened so ND instead. :(
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Old September 28th, 2012 (5:09 PM).
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I love how I forgot to check this thread for a few days and it became a discussion about The Muppets lmfao. If it helps get me back into the secret meetings, I did watch Miss Piggy's interview on Chelsea Lately when she was around promoting the new Muppet movie!

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I was talking with some friends last night and one of them brought up this story about a kid from my old town who was gay and killed himself several years back. He apparently had gone to his priest, parents, and other people to try to talk to them about it, but everyone he went to gave him some version of "it's wrong to be gay." I'd never heard of this. I mean, I knew there had been a kid who died while I was in school, but nothing about this was ever mentioned in anything that I heard and now I'm angry and sad, but mostly sad.
I'd be more angry than sad. It actually never occurred to me to talk about this here, but a month or so back I went to the movies by myself to see Bully, because Ellen DeGeneres said everybody needs to see it and who am I to question Ellen? So I went and it turns out she was right as always - everybody does need to go see that movie. One of the stories it follows are the parents of a kid who killed himself because he was bullied for being gay... and I got the impression that it was just weeks after he killed himself that they started filming. The parents took you inside what was his bedroom and show you the closet where they found him hanging. It was not an easy movie to watch (I was bawling the entire time), but there were some uplifting moments and it's really important that it be seen by as many people as possible.

ANYWAY the reason I bring that up now is that is that it reminded me of one of the stories about a lesbian girl who came out of the closet in a small Southern town (can't remember which, probably in Alabama) and was of course bullied for it and made several suicide attempts. Luckily she was unsuccessful, but all of the stories in that movie had me coming out thinking that I don't know how these people can live with themselves. If I had ever said so much as one unkind word to a person and then found out that they'd taken their own life... and I thought that I had contributed to that in any way, I would never ever be able to forgive myself. So then I think about the parents and the minister whose job it is to guide young people and put their best interests over their own agenda and how they all contributed to that guy's death. That makes me angry more than anything else.

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It still blows my mind that Catholic universities are something that exist lol. I knew of high schools but never until I met you had I heard about a university.
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Altix, that's great, I think that we assume that people will react a certain way or feel as certain way about gay people, but you never really know for sure.

Look at Laura Bush! She is a big-time gay marriage & gay rights advocate; even I unfairly assumed she was some right-wing neo-con bigot like her hubby.

Anyway hope that goes well.

Also, to Andy, I feel sad for the kid, and like you, contempt for the parents and minister, but I guess looking past the anger, there is a reason why the parents and ministers acted the way that they did in the situation. Maybe some parents of gay children should watch it, to give the preemptive effect on their reckless actions, like the movies in driver's education classes with the videos of horrendous car wrecks and deaths that are meant to deter us from driving unsafely. The problem with the parents that usually have the most adverse and damaging response to their child's sexuality is that they happen to receive guidance from their church leaders first rather than LGBT groups. That is why I really think that at the very least, states should require children to take a social diversity course, similar to most university requirements, that teach the psychological affects of our interactions with people who differ by sexual orientation, ethnicity, race, socioeconomic status, religion, age, disability, and gender, just to name a few. This would produce more tolerant people in high school, as well as people beyond high school as parents and religious leaders. Also, there should be more stringent policies about bullying in schools. I would see kids teased/beat-up in gym all the time. I complained several times about other students being picked-on, and the gym teacher/school didn't make any changes. I was bullied for the first two weeks of gym class, until I finally just beat the hell out of this guy, then he didn't want to mess with me Basically, the policy in place at my school implicitly encouraged violence as a method of dealing with bullying, which is completely absurd.
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My dad just said, "You can't talk about homosexuality if you're autistic because you don't understand sex."

I'm thinking, sure I don't understand romance, but I sure as damn well know what equality and liberty and the right to needs is.
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What is this—I don't even... That sounds so... stupid, judgmental, silly, uneducated... stop me anytime...
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Droomph: Are you autistic? I would have punched your dad.

Shining(the grammar Nazi you):I was at the laundry mat the other day and there were some old arcade games. One had a manual for the buttons. It said "Push green for light attack, blue for medium attack, and red for storong attack. I shed a tear, took a picture, and moved on.

Today I came out for the first time at my new school to my friend Leila.
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What is this—I don't even... That sounds so... stupid, judgmental, silly, uneducated... stop me anytime...
Please, keep going, words are not enough to describe the rage that his father's comment gave to me >.<

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Today I came out for the first time at my new school to my friend Leila.
Wow, really, tell us what happened :D *get too close to Altix*
I remember the first time I came out to someone, it was to my friend Leslie, and upon telling her, she was like 'So?' and I was like 'Jeez, it looks so more emotional on TV!' xD
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Well, this was not my first time coming out ever, just the first time in my new school. It was pretty calm. She was like "Omg no. Really?" and I was like "yep" then the conversation switched to something else. My first time ever was over text. Two friends at once, Tyler, and Alyssa. I am pretty much all out though. Most people know I think, and no one really cares. Oh, today I became like...the leader of my homeroom. So that is cool. It will give me a chance to talk to my principal more, and hopefully get a brand-new, sparkly GSA installed.
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Well I had GSA today, I was never closeted, and I had tried to open myself out in the past before, however no one took me seriously. When the members new and old alike gave out their introductions to the club, I gave out mine and said "I'm Pan and Genderqueer" and boy I got quite an applause before I had to leave the club early. I was very happy and maybe some of my friends in the GSA who kind of push me to the side with some stuff I've been wanting to do will actually open up and let me play in the games <3

Also, I've been browsing the fourms , getting all excited for BW2, I'm excited <3 I may or may not post more within the next few weeks.
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Droomph: Are you autistic? I would have punched your dad.
Yes, Asperger's Syndrome.

However, I did yell at him to the extent of "screw you dad not now", so :P annnnnd I got in trouble for that :c

I would neeeeeever come out to anyone at my school, lol.
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Hey, I was thinking about something the other today after I saw a couple of gay blogger/advocacy sites that were speaking out on behalf on a bisexual girl, 15, who wore a shirt that said, " I enjoy vagina" in the format of Coke products. The school asked her to change her clothes, because the shirt was inappropriate and not conducive wit a learning environment. The sites and the girl both state that the school had discriminated against her since she was a sexual minority. As if the school would have allowed her to wear a " I love penis shirt" instead though. Also, colleges have been reported being under fire for using the term "freshman" and "semester" since they are sexist terms that project masculinity. Those are just two of MANY examples in which I think that have undermined real issues of gender and sexuality in the media.

Do some of these frivolous causes that people stand-up and advocate for marginalize the actually issues that face LGBT-people?
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Shining(the grammar Nazi you):I was at the laundry mat the other day and there were some old arcade games. One had a manual for the buttons. It said "Push green for light attack, blue for medium attack, and red for storong attack. I shed a tear, took a picture, and moved on.
By 'Shining' did you mean me? I looked back at the thread and I can't for the life of me figure out what this was in reference to. And since when have you seen me be a grammar Nazi? I mean, I am, but I can't think of any examples you would have seen

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Well I had GSA today, I was never closeted, and I had tried to open myself out in the past before, however no one took me seriously. When the members new and old alike gave out their introductions to the club, I gave out mine and said "I'm Pan and Genderqueer" and boy I got quite an applause before I had to leave the club early. I was very happy and maybe some of my friends in the GSA who kind of push me to the side with some stuff I've been wanting to do will actually open up and let me play in the games <3
That's awesome! Though I have to wonder, what kind of stuff are they pushing you aside on?

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Yes, absolutely. Your last example reminded me of that line in Legally Blonde where the lesbian girl was talking to Warner about how she was trying to get the word "semester" changed to "ovester" lmao. While I actually support the girl's right to wear the shirt (being one that really hates the idea of things being "appropriate" and "inappropriate"), it's quite clear that the reason it was disallowed had nothing to do with her sexuality and the battle was without merit.

I think if people start kicking up at anything that could ever potentially even for a second be seen as anti-LGBT, then it will label the entire community as whiners and detract from our credibility when it comes to the issues that are actually worth fighting for.
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About the shirt-

I think I'm leaning more towards the school's favor. Placing on a shirt that says "I Enjoy Vagina" isn't one you put on in innocence, if you know what I mean. It's rather inappropriate and unnecessarily crude, and it's not really the best way to display LGBT pride (if that's what she was going for.) It makes her look more of a pervert than "so I'm bi and that's cool yeah. :3"

And perhaps it's a good thing schools are on top of these things. I mean, we wouldn't want an idiot waltzing in with a shirt with "YOU'RE A ***" printed in neon white letters, now would we?

But yes, I agree that this ordeal shouldn't be as popularized as it is. There are much more important issues to focus on, like marriage rights and understanding education.
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I don't think she felt discriminated against at all. I think she was just an obnoxious and rebellious teenager who got pissed off when the school told her she couldn't do what she wanted to do and then did what she had to do to get her revenge. I'm a little impressed by that, to be honest, but it doesn't do any good for the LGBT community lol.
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I don't think she felt discriminated against at all. I think she was just an obnoxious and rebellious teenager who got pissed off when the school told her she couldn't do what she wanted to do and then did what she had to do to get her revenge. I'm a little impressed by that, to be honest, but it doesn't do any good for the LGBT community lol.
Also, her mother encouraged her to get her "message" out on the news. This is after all a 15-year-old girl; her mother should not have exploited her for a bereaved time on television. Not to mention, contributing to yet another trivial and distracting LGBT story.
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