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Old June 28th, 2013 (06:55 PM).
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Well for me it's much more than a tl;dr, because then you'd miss what I think is the significance of the statement. This is coming from what used to be don't ask don't tell, don't forget that. It's not only rights, but dignity, respect, and equality, and the Secretary of Defense made quite the statement in that respect. It's not that gays earn rights through shed blood. Not only do gays deserve the same rights, but everybody is brothers and sisters in arms through the strength of their character and their love for the country. And it's DOMA too.
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Old June 28th, 2013 (08:34 PM).
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Oh I do understand it's about the rights and freedom, justice, liberty, equality, and all the sensitive stuff. I know that there is a deeper meaning to my stupid TL;DR, but I was just asking if I had read the statement correctly.

This is a huge step anyway. :D
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Old June 29th, 2013 (07:07 AM).
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I just ran into a huge Pride parade in London. I didn't realize theirs was the same weekend as the one in San Francisco. And since I fly into SF tomorrow I'm going to get to see two huge parades back to back. And people in both places have a lot to be happy about this year. I feel like we're in the middle of history right now and it's kind of exciting and humbling.
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Old June 29th, 2013 (08:24 AM).
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Quote originally posted by Scarf:
I just ran into a huge Pride parade in London. I didn't realize theirs was the same weekend as the one in San Francisco. And since I fly into SF tomorrow I'm going to get to see two huge parades back to back. And people in both places have a lot to be happy about this year. I feel like we're in the middle of history right now and it's kind of exciting and humbling.

It would be interesting to compare Pride in London to SF's XD ours will look tiny in comparison!

I kind of wonder when the expiry date on Pride will be... I mean, if more equality laws get passed then many countries/states will be majority pro-gay.

Will we need Pride then?
Will we just pick one day for the year?

I suppose one advantage of Pride is that it brings in a lot of money, and awareness. Could be a great fund raiser for countries where LBGT rights are being chipped away even further.
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Old June 29th, 2013 (09:06 AM).
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Has anyone here actually ever been in a pride parade?

I have no interest in going to one. It looks intimidating. And I don't feel as if parading around naked wearing only an LGBT flag around my torso while throwing sparkles at people is really necessary to show my support. (lol exaggeration but yknow. I'd rather just donate to something or be silent on DoS)
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Old June 29th, 2013 (09:34 AM).
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Me too. I cannot take the fabulousness. It's great to see someone who's more ... uh conservative! like me. You know that's the proper word for it. But yeah, spectacle isn't for everybody.
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Old June 29th, 2013 (10:43 AM).
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I actually went to PrideFest here not too long ago. I found it quite fun actually. The parade was in the morning though so I didn't see that.
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Old June 29th, 2013 (12:36 PM).
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Quote originally posted by BlahISuck:
Me too. I cannot take the fabulousness. It's great to see someone who's more ... uh conservative! like me. You know that's the proper word for it. But yeah, spectacle isn't for everybody.
Yes, this is the very reason I can't enjoy things like parties or big get-togethers. I'm not fond of crowds or loud places, and I do not enjoy being rambunctious, so usually things like parades and parties do not present themselves as enjoyable to me at all.
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Old June 29th, 2013 (03:44 PM).
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Quote originally posted by SwiftSign:
It would be interesting to compare Pride in London to SF's XD ours will look tiny in comparison!

I kind of wonder when the expiry date on Pride will be... I mean, if more equality laws get passed then many countries/states will be majority pro-gay.

Will we need Pride then?
Will we just pick one day for the year?

I suppose one advantage of Pride is that it brings in a lot of money, and awareness. Could be a great fund raiser for countries where LBGT rights are being chipped away even further.
I get the feeling pride parades and events will be around for a long time to come, even if it's just as a celebration of all that has been accomplished, and a reminder that we should never judge people by the things they were born with. After all, we do still have such things as Black History Month.

And, of course, legal equality does not automatically mean social equality. Just think about how many racist people there are still in the world, even in countries where equal rights have long been established for people of all races and religions.
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Old June 29th, 2013 (05:18 PM).
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Glad I missed the religion argument. I mean, good luck arguing for religion against me. >:]

.... (cries at the ghost of the Atheist Alliance)

Going to the Pride parade tomorrow with a buddy of mine.
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Old June 29th, 2013 (05:32 PM).
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Glad I missed the religion argument. I mean, good luck arguing for religion against me. >:]

.... (cries at the ghost of the Atheist Alliance)

Going to the Pride parade tomorrow with a buddy of mine.
Oh, tell me how it goes, will you?

I might actually consider going to one later in life.
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Old June 29th, 2013 (07:03 PM).
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The Toronto parade is pretty tame. Loud, but tame. And it's in two days! wow, time flies. Do I or do I not have time to go... probably not. I have fencing, but it's an hour later than usual... meh I'll do the same thing I do every year.
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Old June 30th, 2013 (09:24 AM).
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Quote originally posted by BlahISuck:
The Toronto parade is pretty tame. Loud, but tame. And it's in two days! wow, time flies. Do I or do I not have time to go... probably not. I have fencing, but it's an hour later than usual... meh I'll do the same thing I do every year.
A tame parade I could handle. Also, is fencing that swordfighting thing some people do?
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Old June 30th, 2013 (09:24 AM).
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Good afternoon everyone!

I'd like to join this club. It will be my first club on PokéCommunity too. Here is a little bit about myself:

I'm a nineteen year old FtM (female-to-male) transsexual from Virginia, USA. I go by male pronouns both online and offline, and have been living/passing as male for several years now, despite still residing at home while I attend community college. I'm also gay; I'm in a relationship with another new member to PokéCommunity. Neither he nor I are "activists" per say. We watch the news and take notice of big things happening in the LGBT community, but for the most part, we try not to concern ourselves with political affairs. Despite us being gay we are also more interested in transgender issues than we are "gay issues", since gender identity is ... slightly more complex.

Later on in the day I'll see if I can drag him in here as well. Until that time, though, it's just me. How is everyone doing today?
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Old June 30th, 2013 (01:21 PM).
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Good afternoon everyone!

I'd like to join this club. It will be my first club on PokéCommunity too. Here is a little bit about myself:

I'm a nineteen year old FtM (female-to-male) transsexual from Virginia, USA. I go by male pronouns both online and offline, and have been living/passing as male for several years now, despite still residing at home while I attend community college. I'm also gay; I'm in a relationship with another new member to PokéCommunity. Neither he nor I are "activists" per say. We watch the news and take notice of big things happening in the LGBT community, but for the most part, we try not to concern ourselves with political affairs. Despite us being gay we are also more interested in transgender issues than we are "gay issues", since gender identity is ... slightly more complex.

Later on in the day I'll see if I can drag him in here as well. Until that time, though, it's just me. How is everyone doing today?
Hello :D Welcome to the LGBT club

I'm glad you decided to join the discussions. I'm positive you'll get tons of support here, and lots of familiar people you can talk to

I dunno about everyone else, but I'm doing great :)
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Old June 30th, 2013 (02:49 PM).
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I just spent the last few hours reading an article about LGBT MP's. For all you Americans out there, there have been 7 since 1983 (you don't count until you're out). The most remarkable conclusion for me was how their mere presence can open the door to legislation getting passed, due to familiarity with both their co-workers and the voting public. Also, the fastest growing group of LGBT MP's are Conservative parties, but over the long run the party ideology with the largest number of LGBT MP's will still be SocDem, Socialist, and Green Parties - the Conservative parties are playing catch-up.

What's also interesting is that out of the 62 out LGB MP's in the world right now, 41 are elected in rural or suburban districts, while 21 are from urban districts. It's surprising to me because you'd think LGB candidates would be concentrated in liberal, urban districts, but apparently not.

Part of their disproportionate success has to do how few of them there are. Because there's so few of them, they're unable to form voting blocs on their own, and they must make political alliances. This leads to educating and creating working relationships with their heterosexual colleagues, as well as creating familiarity. In contrast, other marginalized groups like ethnic minorities tend to have enough representation to form a voting bloc and keep to themselves.

Also, if you are LGBT and live in Western Europe and is interested in public service as an MP, there is no better time than now. The parties want you.

Anyways, it was political science article so it was mostly about drawing on the study of the representation of women and ethnic minorities to analyze the effects of LGBT representation in legislatures so most of it is pretty dry. And I don't know my terms of service so I probably can't copy & paste. But yes, if you are interested in the impact of LGBT representation in legislatures and society in general, here's some food for thought.
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Old June 30th, 2013 (04:20 PM).
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What exactly is an LGBT MP? I'd read about them but when I type in MP to google it just gives me many random meanings so I have no clue what it is :[

You're saying there are more "MPs" in rural areas (hillbilly farmers against gay marriage type of thing?) which is surprising because there would usually be less support from those areas?
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Old June 30th, 2013 (05:29 PM).
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Oh, MP's are ministers of parliament, who in the US would be members of Congress. So lesbian, gay, bisexual or transgender they may be, but represent their constituency they still do.

And yeah! Because the LGBT social movement is associated with progressives, which is also associated with urban centres, it came as a surprise to me that around 2/3 of LGB MP's in 2011 came from rural/suburban districts.
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Dude, that's cool! So we have that many LGBT supportive congress members? That's totally awesome :D

That definitely helped put down DOMA and 8 didn't it?
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Old June 30th, 2013 (06:45 PM).
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The study was done worldwide, and well, the US tends to be lacking in that department. Whether it help put down DOMA and Prop 8 - those were in the court's hands, but I'm sure the record high 7 members did their part in Congress debating the virtues (or lack of) of DOMA. The good side is that there'll be more in the future - there were only 4 LGBT members of Congress only last year, and now that Republican heavyweights like Colin Powell and Dick Cheney have come out in favour of same-sex marriage, the tide may yet turn. The US is a bit slower than Western Europe (or Canada for that matter), but change is coming.
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I am really happy about DOMA. I think it was a big step in the right direction and I hope the LGBT community wins more victories along the way.

But there are still the people who are against it. I heard some woman on the news saying that she hopes God forgives the US for recognizing gay marriage... >_<!
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I am really happy about DOMA. I think it was a big step in the right direction and I hope the LGBT community wins more victories along the way.

But there are still the people who are against it. I heard some woman on the news saying that she hopes God forgives the US for recognizing gay marriage... >_<!
*sigh* Christians like that drive me crazy. They just keep flying straight over the WHOLE FRAKKING POINT of Christianity and diving right down onto little nit-picky details. Really wish they would just sit the hell down and stop making the rest of us look bad.

Or at least stop claiming to be "Christian" while actively hating an entire group of people.

Totally. Missing. The point.
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Old June 30th, 2013 (08:27 PM).
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But there are still the people who are against it. I heard some woman on the news saying that she hopes God forgives the US for recognizing gay marriage... >_<!
I think these people can be ignored. At this point, it's just meaningless speech. Less and less people are taking them seriously, and screaming louder isn't going to do anything for them. Besides, talking that snidely? Please. I wouldn't take seriously someone who talked like that, no matter where they were coming from.
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I think these people can be ignored. At this point, it's just meaningless speech. Less and less people are taking them seriously, and screaming louder isn't going to do anything for them. Besides, talking that snidely? Please. I wouldn't take seriously someone who talked like that, no matter where they were coming from.
Yes, I completely agree with you. Now, with all of us living in the 21st century I highly doubt that this behavior and crude speech will be taken seriously anymore within the next ten years. It seems as if most of the older citizens are the ones responsible for spreading these ideas of homosexuals not being moral. If I'm correct, history repeats itself and we will see this behavior go down like it did with slavery back in the early 1900s.
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Old July 1st, 2013 (11:09 AM).
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It's certainly easy to ignore what random people on the television are saying, but it's not the same when you know those people personally or you see them in your neighborhood. Same-sex marriage is all over the news, and it's great that DOMA was struck down and all, but all it's done is increase my dad's aggression towards gays. His favorite thing to say is that a bomb should be dropped in the middle of a pride parade.

It's unfortunate that people will continue to insist that being gay is immoral and same-sex marriage should be illegal, because no matter what type of victory we get, those types of people will always put a damper on the mood.
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