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Old August 18th, 2011 (10:40 PM).
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Sometimes it just sounds like being a woman must be so much fun. xD 'cept for, y'know, the monthly visitor...
This reminds me of a brilliant IT Crowd episode. Those times of the month can really change a person from:

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Old August 18th, 2011 (11:34 PM).
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Old August 19th, 2011 (06:52 AM).
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Welcome, Dawn_Hero!

Gah it's always when I have to work long hours that this thread picks up then I've gotta read like 20 posts. Y'all make it too much effort with your crappy timing

Anyway I have a good question for you all:

Do you think it sends a more powerful message in the fight for equal rights when gay people speak out or when straight people do?
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Dawn_Hero, welcome! If you have any issues in real life, you wouldn't be the first one I was able to reassure in this alliance.

Quote originally posted by Shining Raichu:
Do you think it sends a more powerful message in the fight for equal rights when gay people speak out or when straight people do?
I personally believe that the best thing is not when one of these two groups speaks out; it's best when they both speak out together at the same time. This shows that not only are gays sticking up for their own rights, but it's also possible for heterosexuals to stick up for gay rights at the same time. This also shows that heterosexuals who are against gay rights really should take the time to understand gays before they take such hateful viewpoint. The only way you can take any sort of viewpoint I see as legitimate for or against anything, you first have to take the time to understand what you're taking a side for or against. The vast majority of people against gay rights are ignorant because they do not fully (sometimes don't even begin to) understand homosexuality.
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The thread title is now longer! Yay! :D

Do you think it sends a more powerful message in the fight for equal rights when gay people speak out or when straight people do?
Well, everything is more powerful when everyone is united. But if the two were separate, then straight people would have a more powerful message.
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Quote originally posted by Shining Raichu:

Do you think it sends a more powerful message in the fight for equal rights when gay people speak out or when straight people do?
Personally I think we shouldnt have to fight for our rights. To actually answer the question, I think you need a combined effort from all sides to fight. That's why I love kathy griffin and ladygaga, We all know that on the inside they're Gay men.
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What's your opinion on outing politicians? I just watched the film Outrage. I personally think putting anybody's personal business out there is wrong. The film also sent the message that your sexual orientation has to define your political beliefs. If you're homosexual, you must have certain beliefs. What ever happened to diversity of opinion?
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In an ideal world, outing wouldn't be a big circus. It would be similar to the conversation I had with a guy I just met today - we were talking about the Glee Project, and in the conversation he mentioned in passing that he was gay like one of the contestants. No comment was needed, it was just to make the point he wanted to make.

Although in the real world, gay rights are a political issue as well as a personal issue. There are most likely very, very few gay people who are against gay rights, so that at least affects their opinion in that way. Although I'm fairly certain a majority of gay people are Democrats, being gay still shouldn't affect the way you feel on, say, the debt crisis.

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In an ideal world, outing wouldn't be a big circus. It would be similar to the conversation I had with a guy I just met today - we were talking about the Glee Project, and in the conversation he mentioned in passing that he was gay like one of the contestants. No comment was needed, it was just to make the point he wanted to make.

Although in the real world, gay rights are a political issue as well as a personal issue. There are most likely very, very few gay people who are against gay rights, so that at least affects their opinion in that way. Although I'm fairly certain a majority of gay people are Democrats, being gay still shouldn't affect the way you feel on, say, the debt crisis.

Side note: I really, really hate the huge string of letters in the title.
Yeah, let's just change the title to "Everything Under the Sun Alliance" since I'm sure we've still left something out.

I don't think your sexual orientation should define any of your beliefs, even those who oppose things like same-sex marriage. 10% of openly LGBT voters voted Yes on Prop 8 in my state back in 2008. While that's a small minority, diversity of views does exist. There were probably more. They just didn't identify as LGBT in exit polling. The results were more telling on racial lines than partisan lines, actually. 70% of blacks a slim majority of Asians and Hispanics backed the ban. At the same times, prominent GOP elected officials like Governor Schwarzenegger came out against the ban.
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Old August 19th, 2011 (03:01 PM).
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Do you think it sends a more powerful message in the fight for equal rights when gay people speak out or when straight people do?

In all honesty, I think it sends a more powerful message when straight people speak out. As a gay male, I can't count how many times I know I would've been ridiculed if I dared to speak out about my sexuality and my desire for rights. But (at least here in New Zealand), it seems that straight people get more attention and therefore more opportunity to try gain equal rights for all.
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There was a student in my international relations class that did presentations on LGBT topics every time he had the chance. I'm very open to the idea, and even I was a bit annoyed at the repetitiveness. Imagine how those who are not tolerant or are on the fence must have felt. There is a limit to how vocal one should be, imo.
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In answer to my own question, I also think it sends a more powerful message when straight people speak out. When gay people do it it is generally seen as "another gay person whining because they can't get married" or they could mess it up because they're too emotionally close to the equal rights cause, but when a straight person speaks out and says "hey, it's not OK to treat people this way" it actually makes people stop and think.

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I totally agree. I thought it was a joke when NurseBabs said it... is it really necessary? It looks silly.
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@ U_Flame - I felt so good actually have seen that episode and getting that reference. <3

Do you think it sends a more powerful message in the fight for equal rights when gay people speak out or when straight people do?

Heterosexuals all the way. It's just the feeling of "I'm not gay, but I know prejudice is wrong" feel that really is more potent then "I'm gay and stop the prejudice."


It's the message being said by The Party vs. Third Party affect. Third Party is observer, so it's seen as an unbiased view.
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Speaking of which...

I was talking to my friend a few days ago, who still thinks I'm straight, and the subject came up. I mentioned that I supported gay rights, and his response was: "Are you retarded? Why would you support them?"

Now, he's not religious at all, and lives in Canada, which actually allows gay marriage nationwide, so the people there must be generally more accepting. I can't figure out why he would be so strongly against it. He has no reason as far as I can tell.
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Speaking of which...

I was talking to my friend a few days ago, who still thinks I'm straight, and the subject came up. I mentioned that I supported gay rights, and his response was: "Are you retarded? Why would you support them?"

Now, he's not religious at all, and lives in Canada, which actually allows gay marriage nationwide, so the people there must be generally more accepting. I can't figure out why he would be so strongly against it. He has no reason as far as I can tell.
Religion undoubtedly breeds prejudice and bigotry, but unfortunately that doesn't mean that homophobia is exclusively a religious thing. Sometimes males just don't like homosexuals for no good reason other than the fact that they feel it's a threat to their masculinity, or more often than not it's a sign that they're gay and are overcompensating to hide it. Or it could be his upbringing, he might have homophobic parents. There are hundreds of possibilities lol
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Religion undoubtedly breeds prejudice and bigotry, but unfortunately that doesn't mean that homophobia is exclusively a religious thing. Sometimes males just don't like homosexuals for no good reason other than the fact that they feel it's a threat to their masculinity, or more often than not it's a sign that they're gay and are overcompensating to hide it. Or it could be his upbringing, he might have homophobic parents. There are hundreds of possibilities lol
Yep, it's about asserting to others that you are a straight manly male when you verbally/physically bash gay people.
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I COMPLETELY and fully agree!
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We should name the club sexual identity alliance, everyone is allowed except for homophobic people! lol, But don't get me wrong; I do like our crazy acronym that continues to grow!
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Quote originally posted by QuilavaKing:
Speaking of which...

I was talking to my friend a few days ago, who still thinks I'm straight, and the subject came up. I mentioned that I supported gay rights, and his response was: "Are you retarded? Why would you support them?"

Now, he's not religious at all, and lives in Canada, which actually allows gay marriage nationwide, so the people there must be generally more accepting. I can't figure out why he would be so strongly against it. He has no reason as far as I can tell.
Well, the only question to ask to him is "Why wouldn't you?"

I used to be stupid (no other word for it) like that when I was ten. I was like that because of unconcious denial of my sexuality.

Could be the same for him, could not. Maybe you're not looking deep enough. And agreeing with Andy and Ty above, it could just be a masculinity thing.

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Is anyone on here asexual? I am really interested in what your thought are; I can understand why someone might identify with any of the other sexual identities, but this one has just puzzled me.
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Yeah, actually. I feel like the same as some heterosexual people whom don't grasp how someone can be attracted to the same sex. I just don't want to be ignorant.

Anyways, Do you have any sexual attraction to any other people? Are you sexually attracted to yourself? If all sexual acts are just with yourself, do you envision other people, to you know, feel aroused, or is it focused more on the self?

If any of these questions make you feel uncomfortable you don't have to answer them. I hope I do not sound too naive. lol.
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