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Old December 3rd, 2011 (11:31 AM). Edited December 3rd, 2011 by Alice.
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Quote originally posted by Shining Raichu:
I might be really really dense here, but I can't for the life of me figure out what this 3-letter word is :/ - if it's not something you're comfortable saying in the thread, post-comment it to me lol

Anyway, I would say he is having his own issues with his sexuality that he needs to come to terms with. I'd just leave it alone for now. The only other option I could think of is that he was a bully, trolling you... though if you consider him a friend then that probably wasn't it. It is curious though - you should keep the notes and show him if he tries to deny what he said to you.
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3 letter word... ?
Pie?

in all serious, I think we should change the club name to the funniest acronym we can make.

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well, I tried my best
Haha, lovemuffins would be an awesome name. I don't think we have any village elders around here though.

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Lol, okay, but seriously, I still say something simple like gsa, or lgbt club would be best.
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My first thought for a "three letter word" started with "a" and ended with "s". lol

But it does sound like he wants to keep things secret for now and doesn't want to have other people know. That sounds more like denial than confusion to me. All the second-hand stories I know from my gay friends tell me that he's probably from a very "straight" household/background and he can't get past that. So it probably wouldn't do to confront him about it and he'll come to terms with it eventually.
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Old December 4th, 2011 (10:46 PM).
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Oh, sex! LMAO how could I have been so dense! That was like the most obvious thing ever! I think my problem was that I was thinking of... shall we say, 4-letter equivalents

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Lol, okay, but seriously, I still say something simple like gsa, or lgbt club would be best
I completely agree, and I would do that immediately except if I remember correctly, the reason this current stupid club name came into effect in the first place was because people were getting upset that their own specific sexualities were not being represented in the title. So if I can get some assurance that people aren't gonna lose their **** at me, that's what I'll do lol
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Old December 5th, 2011 (10:19 AM).
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I won't flip my... pancakes... if we have to be a boring ol' "LGBT Club" but I still wish there were a way we could include everyone without having to be the alphabet soup club. 'Cuz, you know, some people don't totally identify as "gay" or whatnot.

Sorry. I don't mean to keep beating this issue to death.
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I honestly think anything mentioning "rainbow" or "pride" would be fine, I mean rainbow to me means anything related to this whole general shindig.

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If you want to include everyone in the name, just call it the "Human Equality Club" or something of the like. That way we'll only have to change it upon making contact with extraterrestrials and allowing them access to our world wide web. XD

"Rainbow Butterflies" seems interesting as well. It may be just me, but I tend to associate rainbows with [insert anything except hetero-]sexual pride, and butterflies with transgender imagery. Hence my merging of the two into one name.
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[SIZE="a"]"Human Equality Club" sounds too politcal, imo. Rainbow Club sounds fine.[/SIZE]
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That was less of a suggestion, and more of me trying to say that it's nearly impossible to include everyone in a name without being somewhat political in nature. "The People's Thread," "Human Alliance," "The United Sexualties and Gender Identies of Planet Earth," etc. See what I mean?

Though I'd still be a member here regardless of whatever name Shining Raichu decides. Call it "Pudding Lovers Alliance" and I'd still be posting here. Because we're more than a name.
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[SIZE="a"]It seems that in our efforts to not exclude anyone, we're moving away from the purpose of this thread as an LGBT-based group.[/SIZE]
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I agree with Alakazam that the name doesn't really mean much. I just hope we get something rainbow related. xD
Quote originally posted by FreakyLocz14:
"Human Equality Club" sounds too politcal, imo.
You keep saying that but I fail to see what's political about people living together in harmony. :/
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Quote originally posted by Ineffable~:

You keep saying that but I fail to see what's political about people living together in harmony. :/
Some people can easily see that as being politically charged or motivated. I know you don't mean it that way, but still.
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Quote originally posted by FreakyLocz14:
Some people can easily see that as being politically charged or motivated. I know you don't mean it that way, but still.
Ehh, if someone else has their mind so involved in that kind of thing that that's all they can see, I think that's their problem. I mean, no offense and all, seriously no offense but it's impossible to avoid every single feasible secondary implication. If we don't mean it politically, then it's not political, regardless of what someone thinks the words mean. Equality is a good thing. It's not a Republican/Democrat thing; it's just a thing. A thing that I hope most people want regardless of political ideology.


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Quote originally posted by Ineffable~:

Ehh, if someone else has their mind so involved in that kind of thing that that's all they can see, I think that's their problem. I mean, no offense and all, seriously no offense but it's impossible to avoid every single feasible secondary implication. If we don't mean it politically, then it's not political, regardless of what someone thinks the words mean. Equality is a good thing. It's not a Republican/Democrat thing; it's just a thing. A thing that I hope most people want regardless of political ideology.


NOTE: Okay I think maybe my post sounded a bit rude; sorry about that if it happened but I'm trying really hard to make a point here.
I'm not commenting on if it's good or bad, just how some people might she it as a political thing. This should be a support group, not a political group, no matter how well-intentioned it is.

I could also argue how equality is not always a good thing, but that's best saved for another thread.
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The human equality club is just way too vague as well. Like Freaky said, this is a LGBT and supporters club. It is too diffuse to try to cater to every type of inequality in a thread. We would have religion, gender, race, weight, age, height, nationality, income, disabilty, IQ, and tons of other issues that related to inequalities. You just want to focus on this one area that is more than enough for one thread to handle. Anyway, this name thing is starting to consume the discussion, lol.

So shows like Glee, Modern Family, Buffy the Vampire Slayer, and everything on LOGO, that feature gay characters/protagonists are becoming more popular, but I have heard mixed reviews from LGBT and straight people alike.

Do gay television characters help "nomalize" and/or portray LGBT people well or do you think they further sterotypes and/or negativity, or a bit of both?

I personally think that Curt from Glee is a bit stereotypical, but honestly, some stereotypical qualities often reflect at least some of the population they ascribe to. Not to mention the show balances it out with a wide vareity of gay characters from Karofsky, to Blaine, to Sebastian. Show on LOGO, feature mainly gay characters and people(reality shows). Although some of the shows me be a bit campy and over-the-top, they also include more dry humor and drama in other shows.

I think that most shows do a decent job when they include gay characters. However, especially in movies, there will be one or two scenes with a gay character purely for comedic affect. Or look at SNL, I would say that about 50% of all their sketches were LGBT humor. I mean, I am all for racial, sexual orientation, or gender included in comedy, but once you beat me over the head with it, it crosses a line. ...Sidenote, SNL is not funny anymore without Tina Fey.

One last comment, I think that transgender people are often excluded from shows and movies unless they are some type of sideshow to laugh at. I guess since I am not transgender I often overlook that, but it is very unfortunate and I hope more shows start to include transgender people.
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I was awaiting a topic besides the name!

Do gay television characters help "nomalize" and/or portray LGBT people well or do you think they further sterotypes and/or negativity, or a bit of both?

Well, it often depends on how they are portrayed. CSI, in particular, has mostly had homosexuals as victims of violent crimes, with only one instance of a character's homosexuality not being of any relevance to the crime at hand. This is not exactly the portrayal the community is looking for, in my opinion. Glee, on the other hand, is going in the right direction.

On the transgender bit, I'll have to agree. There are hardly any transgender characters out there, at least that I've heard of. I do remember hearing about a male transgender character on Degrassi, so there is that. But I can't think of any others off the top of my head, and no instances of a female transgender character.
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I think media portrayals of LGBT stereotypes are a mixed bag. While they do help normalize those behaviors, they also send the message that this is what all or most LGBT people are like.
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Quote originally posted by -ty-:
One last comment, I think that transgender people are often excluded from shows and movies unless they are some type of sideshow to laugh at. I guess since I am not transgender I often overlook that, but it is very unfortunate and I hope more shows start to include transgender people.
I definitely see this, and I've complained about it before, but to be honest I also understand how it's a very hard thing to portray tastefully in a television show.
There is an FTM on Degrassi, which i love. I think it's a step in the right direction.
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Do gay television characters help "normalize" and/or portray LGBT people well or do you think they further sterotypes and/or negativity, or a bit of both?

I think they do leaps and bounds to normalise homosexuality. I especially liked the way it was done in Buffy the Vampire Slayer. Willow, the main gay protagonist, who had no idea she was gay and had a boyfriend in Seasons 2 and 3, found a girl that she became fast friends with due to their mutual interest in witchcraft. Then the two grew closer and you could feel the romantic chemistry between them building until they finally kissed. It was done just like any other relationship and it flowed so smoothly that the fact that they were both women didn't even cross my mind until a particular scene in which Willow 'came out' to Buffy.

It was done similarly well with Callie and Arizona in Grey's Anatomy. Again, the writers treated it just as they would any heterosexual couple on the show, and the fact that it was a gay couple was really a non-issue. I really like it when things are done that way, it sort of brings to mind the saying "be the change you want to see in the world".

As to whether they push stereotypes, yeah, sometimes they do. Particularly in comedies. Modern Family's Mitchell and Cameron, Will & Grace's Jack McFarland and Glee's Kurt Hummel are great examples of this. Though personally I don't know whether that's actually such a bad thing. We need to be realistic, and the fact of the matter is this: some gay people do fit the stereotypes. And more to the point, there is not a damn thing wrong with that. If the characters on these shows can unashamedly face the world, why can't their real-life counterparts?

The thing about the stereotypical gays in comedy is that it arguably does more for the gay community than anything else. I was raised in a household that while not exactly outspokenly homophobic, had the attitude of "ew that's a bit gross" to the idea of two men or two women (well lets face it, two men moreso) being together. So I shared that attitude, just as most kids do when their parents express an opinion. This was until I was introduced to Will & Grace. I think I was like 8 years old and my whole family got hooked on it because it's absolutely hilarious. We all loved the stereotypical Jack and I figured out that there was nothing ew or gross about a man that could make me laugh that much. I credit Will & Grace exclusively for making me non-homophobic, and furthermore for letting me know that it's OK to be gay long before I figured out that I was.

I think my mental reaction of "Huh. Well alright then." would have been drastically different without such a groundbreaking show.
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Well, it often depends on how they are portrayed. CSI, in particular, has mostly had homosexuals as victims of violent crimes, with only one instance of a character's homosexuality not being of any relevance to the crime at hand.
To be a little more fair, most people on CSI were portrayed as victims of violent crimes regardless of who they are. But it's unfortunate that queer people seem to get these kinds of roles as victims. It's true that happens in the real world, but it would be nice to have some queer main cast characters on shows that weren't already a little, well, gay to begin with. But I shouldn't really complain since I don't watch much TV and wouldn't know if there were gay characters in cop shows and so on.
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Again, the writers treated it just as they would any heterosexual couple on the show, and the fact that it was a gay couple was really a non-issue. I really like it when things are done that way, it sort of brings to mind the saying "be the change you want to see in the world".

As to whether they push stereotypes, yeah, sometimes they do. Particularly in comedies. Modern Family's Mitchell and Cameron, Will & Grace's Jack McFarland and Glee's Kurt Hummel are great examples of this. Though personally I don't know whether that's actually such a bad thing. We need to be realistic, and the fact of the matter is this: some gay people do fit the stereotypes. And more to the point, there is not a damn thing wrong with that. If the characters on these shows can unashamedly face the world, why can't their real-life counterparts?

The thing about the stereotypical gays in comedy is that it arguably does more for the gay community than anything else.
Holy crap this this this all over. I agree totally and completely.
I also honestly just find stereotypes to be hilarious. I mean, you gotta laugh at yourself once in a while!
It's my favourite thing ever when they're just all nonchalant "well yeah we've got a gay character, and basically this character is gay no big deal" and it's just no difference in anyone's lives. :3
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To be a little more fair, most people on CSI were portrayed as victims of violent crimes regardless of who they are.
True, but in most cases these gay characters were portrayed as victims because of who they are.
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True, but in most cases these gay characters were portrayed as victims because of who they are.
Well, as Scarf said, some people are victims because of who they are.
I don't watch TV as much anymore, I've only seen a few parts of Glee episodes so I haven't seen much of the gay character, and other than that the only show I know of with a gay character that happens to be one of the main cast was on Grey's Anatomy. Again, haven't seen too much of that, but I've seen enough to know that it's great and that they did a good job with the lesbian . . . er . . . cannot remember the name, lol.
I do recall one . . . Without a Trace episode with a gay character on it. He wasn't the victim, but the woman that he was supposed to marry was. They were like children of some . . . strict asian family, although I can't remember what they were, exactly, so no one knew he was gay, besides the girl he was going to marry.

I think I'm going to put "What Shining Raichu said." in my signature, because I'm probably going to say that quite a bit around here, like now for example. xD
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Like how do you dress and what kind of music do you listen to?
I currently am wearing plain blue jeans, a plain white t-shirt, and a very old/tattered grey hoody(really only because we don't have the money to get a new one.) This is pretty much how I dress every day though. I really don't care much about it. lol

I really only listen to metalcore/death metal in English. Although, in Japanese, I listen to pretty much everything but rap.
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What is your guy's style?
Like how do you dress and what kind of music do you listen to?


I like plaid button ups, and solid color sweaters. I try to do the sexy-gay-yooper look.
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OH, I even have a plaid "bomber hat". Aka, the hat with furry ear flaps that yoopers wear, except mine is way better than everyone else's boring brown ones.
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As far as music goes...I would be lying if I said I didn't like Lady Gaga, Bruno Mars, Pink, Adele, Kelly Clarkson, and other mainstream pop artists. I also like some indie, dance, and classic rock. I also like listening to music of guy I have a crush on, whether they are bad or good, I just pretend they are singing to me. Recently I threw Darren Criss to the curb, and upgraded Chris Salvatore as my new imaginary boyfriend, lol.

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