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Old December 12th, 2011 (12:11 PM).
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Old December 12th, 2011 (01:02 PM).
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I have no idea who/what that is, but I think I'm in love xD

On the whole reiligion-in-schools thing: Well, I don't really see how it's not allowed, or whatever, at all. I mean, in my school I'm sure they'd allow us to pray and everything. I say it like that because it's not like anybody really tries to, most people I know could probably care less, lol.
Although, this came to mind when I was in Chorus class earlier: a lot of the songs we sing in chorus seem to be religious. Two songs that we're doing are Fum Fum Fum (it's in Spanish, but it talks about Jesus) and God Rest You Merry Gentlemen (dude, it says God in the name, and then it goes on to talk about Bethelhem and everything) and in past years we've done songs about Hanukkah and everything . . . uh . . . where was I going with this? Oh, I think I was going to say that religion is openly expressed, and that I don't see any restrictions or anything at all.
The closest thing I can see for that is when people (teachers mostly) say "Happy Holidays" rather than "Merry/Happy Christmas" or "Happy Hanukkah."
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Old December 12th, 2011 (01:11 PM).
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@Nakuzami, that's Stephen Colbert, amazing comedian with a daily "news" show on Comedy Central.

The education website for the government has a bunch of restrictions on what teachers can and can't do that seem pretty reasonable. They can't lead a class in prayer but students can pray with each other, they have to give the same allowances to a religious after-school club as a normal one, etc. Although I really do feel like I've heard stories where that hasn't been respected, but I would think of that as the exception since the official government statement on it is pretty clear.
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Old December 13th, 2011 (04:57 AM).
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Welcome, PhantomX0990! I just added you to the member list so you're officially one of us!

OK, so here's something that's going on in Australia right now. The sister of the former Prime Minister (and current Foreign Minister) of Australia has quit the Labor Party (kind of like our Democrats equivalent) because they have decided to change their stance and support gay marriage. The whole disgusting article can be found here. But in case you can't be bothered reading (though I strongly suggest you do), here are some choice quotes:

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"I don't believe gay marriage is good for the community"
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"It is a horrible thing for them to be discriminated against and that's why my brother introduced laws so they are not discriminated against.
"But to make that huge leap from their rights to breaking a commandment of Moses, to say homosexuals' relationships is marriage, is utter nonsense."
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Old December 13th, 2011 (08:27 AM).
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Welcome, PhantomX0990! I just added you to the member list so you're officially one of us!

OK, so here's something that's going on in Australia right now. The sister of the former Prime Minister (and current Foreign Minister) of Australia has quit the Labor Party (kind of like our Democrats equivalent) because they have decided to change their stance and support gay marriage. The whole disgusting article can be found here. But in case you can't be bothered reading (though I strongly suggest you do), here are some choice quotes:
I'm starting to hate when people get all upset over gay marriage and make a big deal of how they can't support it. It's not hurting anyone else's marriage - if anything it's probably helping to keep gay people from entering loveless marriages. (I dunno, does that still happen?)

I mean, it's like they think they're "strengthening traditional marriage" by trying to keep gay people from having the right to marry. This means one of two things is going on. Either 1) 'traditional' marriage is already so perfect everywhere and in every way that there's no way to improve or strengthen it directly so they can only focus on the 'dangers' trying to make marriage worse (in which case what is the threat from gay marriage?) or 2) they don't actually care about 'defending' marriage and are just using it as a vehicle to channel their bigotry.

It makes me mad, and I don't even care about marriage.
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Old December 13th, 2011 (08:45 AM).
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Quote originally posted by Scarf:
I mean, it's like they think they're "strengthening traditional marriage" by trying to keep gay people from having the right to marry. This means one of two things is going on. Either 1) 'traditional' marriage is already so perfect everywhere and in every way that there's no way to improve or strengthen it directly so they can only focus on the 'dangers' trying to make marriage worse (in which case what is the threat from gay marriage?) or 2) they don't actually care about 'defending' marriage and are just using it as a vehicle to channel their bigotry.
This reminds me of my favourite glib argument in this direction: "So a man and a woman who hate each other can be married, but two (wo)men who love each other can't be married?" I've never heard anyone actually respond to this, and I wonder what people would try to say to argue it.
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Old December 13th, 2011 (09:24 AM).
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idk if you guys have actually discussed this yet :x but we were having a good conversation with a cool supply we had for Physics, and we came to the subject of sexuality (nothing to do with physics, I know), and someone said they didn't like how gay people flaunted their sexuality about or something along those lines, and should keep it to yourself. I wanted to know what you guys think about this subject, I mean, a lot of people don't mind it when you see a girl and a boy snogging in a public place. Sorry if it's already been discussed.
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Old December 13th, 2011 (09:51 AM).
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idk if you guys have actually discussed this yet :x but we were having a good conversation with a cool supply we had for Physics, and we came to the subject of sexuality (nothing to do with physics, I know), and someone said they didn't like how gay people flaunted their sexuality about or something along those lines, and should keep it to yourself. I wanted to know what you guys think about this subject, I mean, a lot of people don't mind it when you see a girl and a boy snogging in a public place. Sorry if it's already been discussed.
I'm pretty sure it has been discussed before, but it's one of those topics that never really goes away because someone inevitably feels a need to say they don't like gay people flaunting their gay-itude.

This person you mention is probably not very aware of how much straight people "flaunt" their sexuality. Some people just don't like public displays of affection, but among that group you get people who are more against gay PDA than straight PDA. Like, for instance, they don't notice or care if a heterosexual couple is holding hands, but when a gay couple do it it's "flaunting." You just have those people out there who don't realize that because we live in a heteronormative world where straight is default and doesn't stand out a lot of it goes unnoticed. Or rather, not unnoticed, but not seen as standing out.
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Old December 13th, 2011 (09:54 AM).
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Wasn't there a thread about that? I'm uncomfortable with heavy PDA in general, I don't care if it's a straight couple, gay couple, interracial, alien, etc. That's just me. It makes me uncomfortable and reminds me that I'm forever alone. The flaunting their sexuality thing idk...it's kind of annoying when they're like constantly finding a way to mention they're gay. I was drying silverware at work Friday night and there were two guys helping me, one of which was a screaming rainbow. Everything he said, he made sure to heavily imply he was gay, and it was really annoying. I was already pissed off and annoyed because we ended up working til 1 AM and I was on my 6th rack of silverware with more to go, so him saying all that didn't help. He was really agitating. This goes for anyone that finds the need to imply they're straight all the time, too. It's just like "okay are you insecure about you're sexuality? cause i get it. you're gay/straight/whatever. fantastic. shut up. do dishes."

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Old December 13th, 2011 (10:15 AM).
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Regarding the current topic, I'm mad at Scarf for saying exactly what I wanted to I think gay people flaunt their gaiety exactly as much as straight people flaunt their straightity. A woman saying "my boyfriend did this yesterday blah blah blah" isn't "keeping it to yourself" that she's straight (or maybe bi/pan, whatev). Does that make it flaunting? No, or at least I hope not. It's okay to mention things that would make you gay. Me talking about my girlfriend to people is a clear indicator that I'm gay, but it's something I would mention whether or not I were gay. On the other hand, running around saying "LOL I'M A LESBIAN HAHAHA" all the time can be considered flaunting. Public displays of affection are a grey area in my opinion. I love displays of affection, but I wouldn't really like to be seen in public all over each other so I'm willing to tone it down. Whether straight or gay, seeing two people on a bus doing everything short of stripping down and having sex is a bit of an eyesore.

In my opinion I find it almost "flaunting your straightity" to announce to people how you don't like gay people flaunting their gaiety, since it's like "well of course I'm superior to you! It's how the world is!" It's just, you don't need to turn your own sexuality into a discussion topic.

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I was drying silverware at work Friday night and there were two guys helping me, one of which was a screaming rainbow. Everything he said, he made sure to heavily imply he was gay, and it was really annoying. I was already pissed off and annoyed because we ended up working til 1 AM and I was on my 6th rack of silverware with more to go, so him saying all that didn't help. He was really agitating. This goes for anyone that finds the need to imply they're straight all the time, too. It's just like "okay are you insecure about you're sexuality? cause i get it. you're gay/straight/whatever. fantastic. shut up. do dishes."
Lol, wow, you don't need to mention it in every sentence. xD
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Old December 14th, 2011 (08:22 AM).
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Quote originally posted by Ineffable~:
In my opinion I find it almost "flaunting your straightity" to announce to people how you don't like gay people flaunting their gaiety, since it's like "well of course I'm superior to you! It's how the world is!"
Truer words were never spoken.

Has anyone seen something called Explaining Gay Rights to People Who Make the Huge Leap That If We Legalize Gay Marriage It Will Open the Doors to all Sorts of Ridiculous Things Life Marrying Your Toaster, Children, The Dead or your Dog? It's kind of amazing, but also kind of sad that such a thing is necessary.
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Old December 14th, 2011 (09:02 AM).
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About flaunting of sexuality, I agree that is is annoying somewhat when people of any sexuality go out and act like they have to broadcast it to the world. Sexuality really shouldn't be that big of a deal so it isn't worth broadcasting. :\ On the other hand, I know from experience that when I came out on PC, I felt free enough to talk about it that I found myself essentially popping it into conversations I was having. Eventually, the novelty wore off and I got over myself. xD So when I see people in real life do that, I typically give them the benefit of the doubt.

And in regards to that picture, Scarf, it IS amazing. xD Too bad most people don't realize that, or will argue against it still. ;__;
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Old December 14th, 2011 (10:15 AM).
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Quote originally posted by Scarf:
People Who Make the Huge Leap That If We Legalize Gay Marriage It Will Open the Doors to all Sorts of Ridiculous Things Life Marrying Your Toaster, Children, The Dead or your Dog
Lol leaps like this one are only too common in arguing against LGBT rights. :/ It's really a completely different concept. So one person can't marry another certain person? We'll grant him that right--done. We don't need to grant him the right to marry a dead unicorn at the same time. It's just too far out there to be valid.
I also see the classic argument against trans people transitioning: what would you say if someone thought he was a Psyduck stuck in a man's body?
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Old December 14th, 2011 (10:27 AM).
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Quote originally posted by Ineffable~:
I also see the classic argument against trans people transitioning: what would you say if someone thought he was a Psyduck stuck in a man's body?
You know, I'm a tiny bit ashamed to admit this, but I don't have a very well-worded response to people who say stuff like that. Thankfully it almost never comes up, but when it does I usually get all tongue-tied and by the time I can get to my point the other person has stopped listening (if they were ever listening in the first place).
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Old December 14th, 2011 (10:31 AM).
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Quote originally posted by Scarf:
You know, I'm a tiny bit ashamed to admit this, but I don't have a very well-worded response to people who say stuff like that. Thankfully it almost never comes up, but when it does I usually get all tongue-tied and by the time I can get to my point the other person has stopped listening (if they were ever listening in the first place).
Actually, I have the same problem. :/ I can't think of any particular reason.
Still, I think the two things are so different that it's the responsibility of the other person to explain why it makes sense to make the comparison, rather than my responsibility to explain how they're different.
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Not to be offensive, but if the person legitimately thought they were a psyduck, wouldn't they be in need of therapy?
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Quote originally posted by Ineffable~:
Actually, I have the same problem. :/ I can't think of any particular reason.
Still, I think the two things are so different that it's the responsibility of the other person to explain why it makes sense to make the comparison, rather than my responsibility to explain how they're different.
It probably is, but I can see everything going downhill from there so I want to have a backup, you know?

Me: "Explain how those two things even remotely related."
Them: "You're trying to change nature, your god-given blah blah etc. etc."
Me: "But it's not the same! A video game duck is not a person."
Them: *same argument; not getting it*

Maybe it's too much to expect people to understand that you're a person with a brain, that you understand your own body and feelings and that you can be responsible for your own decisions, that you still want people to treat you like the human being you are.

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Not to be offensive, but if the person legitimately thought they were a psyduck, wouldn't they be in need of therapy?
Probably, yeah. That's why it's really frustrating and insulting if someone makes the comparison between someone who's transgender with someone who has a mental issue.
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Old December 14th, 2011 (11:09 AM).
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Okay so I decided to make a thread about this topic on a (transgender oriented) forum.

I think I have a good argument. We were created with the materials to be either gender/sex and never had any conception of which one we would be until later on in the womb. On the other hand, we're not going to by coincidence happen to turn into an aardvark before being born. Not how it works--not related species.
You could almost break this argument down with the fact that chromosomes are in our genes, but then you'd be forgetting intersex people who have XY chromosomes yet noticeably female sexual characteristics, et al.
Also, the shapes of brains of transgender people are overwhelmingly closer to their "target genders" as opposed to their "biological sex", i.e. a "born male" trans woman has a corpus callosum about the same size of the average female rather than the average male. However I'm pretty sure I've never heard of anyone with a brain the size of an earthworm brain.

Okay admittedly this is something I accidentally found out while researching for psychology homework yesterday.
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Old December 14th, 2011 (11:29 AM).
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Okay so I decided to make a thread about this topic on a (transgender oriented) forum.

I think I have a good argument. We were created with the materials to be either gender/sex and never had any conception of which one we would be until later on in the womb. On the other hand, we're not going to by coincidence happen to turn into an aardvark before being born. Not how it works--not related species.
You could almost break this argument down with the fact that chromosomes are in our genes, but then you'd be forgetting intersex people who have XY chromosomes yet noticeably female sexual characteristics, et al.
Also, the shapes of brains of transgender people are overwhelmingly closer to their "target genders" as opposed to their "biological sex", i.e. a "born male" trans woman has a corpus callosum about the same size of the average female rather than the average male. However I'm pretty sure I've never heard of anyone with a brain the size of an earthworm brain.

Okay admittedly this is something I accidentally found out while researching for psychology homework yesterday.
This is good. I think I'm going to use this if I ever need to (which I probably will). It should be pretty helpful to get someone to start explaining themselves better if I tell them it's a natural part of our biology. Some people really love to talk about how this thing and that thing are part of nature so if I can show them something else that's part of nature they'll have to accept it lol.
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Old December 14th, 2011 (12:02 PM).
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No need to ask. You're already a member just by wanting to be one. Shining Raichu will come by at some point and add you to the list. So, welcome! Got anything club-related you wanted to talk about here?
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Old December 14th, 2011 (01:53 PM).
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Old December 14th, 2011 (02:19 PM).
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Welcome welcome!! :D I love me some new members!
Is there anything you care to tell us about yourself or anything you want to talk about? We're in a bit of a slump lately if you haven't noticed. n3n;
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Locations: Pokémon Mansion

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Old December 14th, 2011 (02:24 PM).
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I'm trans I date anyone. I really don't care about gender but more about if we share the same interests. I also plan to do an abridged series but want to take my time with scripts so there good and not bad like a lot of the ones stealing from LK or TFS. I'm also into Never Shout Never kind of music. Should be a fun group.
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Old December 14th, 2011 (02:48 PM).
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Hello Ashley, and welcome to the club! =D

Oh, what are you doing an abridged series of? Pokémon, I presume?
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