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Old June 20th, 2011, 04:57 PM
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question about EV training.

since i can use a max of 10 vitamins for each stat on one pokemon, and each gives 10 EV's thats a total of 100, right?
so if my pokemon has pokerus if i give it 10 vitamins would that give it 200 EV"s for that one stat?
I don't think that vitamins include the pokerus addon. Though, this is from my knowledge, which is pretty good to EV training. :p
So, 100 ev's. From 10 vitamins.
Including Pokerus.


A question for my own, i've just starting building a team, and was looking for a mixed sweeper, (if that's what you refer it to as, new to this :p)
Or to rephrase it a bit differently, a strong pokemon with a set with strong physical and special attacks.
I was told by a friend, that Lucario could prolly work. But I wasn't too sure.
Any Pokemon would work, as long as it's not impossible to breed with.
(Not a legendary or a pokemon only available through events.)
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Old June 21st, 2011, 12:12 AM
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Is 3v3 wifi matchup at all a reliable way of playing your team? I always seem to choose the wrong 3 when I play. My teams are for fun though. Even if some of my Pokemon are NU and such, if I would pick correctly I would have a chance at winning.

Is there any trick to this?

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Old June 22nd, 2011, 02:40 AM
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What is a good defensive mon in SS?

My team is:
Azelf (lead)
CB Ttar
Disable Gengar
SD Excadrill
Sigilyph (I think about replacing this guy)
Wish Vappy

I'm not going to RMT cause I lack experience with gen 5, only looking for a viable replacement for Sigilyph. I thought of Latias but I can't figure out what set to use. It needs to be defensive btw but I can't find a defensive set for Latias.
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Old June 22nd, 2011, 07:31 AM
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What is a good defensive mon in SS?

My team is:
Azelf (lead)
CB Ttar
Disable Gengar
SD Excadrill
Sigilyph (I think about replacing this guy)
Wish Vappy

I'm not going to RMT cause I lack experience with gen 5, only looking for a viable replacement for Sigilyph. I thought of Latias but I can't figure out what set to use. It needs to be defensive btw but I can't find a defensive set for Latias.
You should do an RMT! ;; Experience doesn't matter. Why not sign up for the tutoring class?

Anyway, Sigilyph is hard to use, since it rely's on using stat raising moves, Quagsire laughs at it. A defensive Latias set would be this;

Latias @ Leftovers
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 252 HP / 6 Def / 252 Spd
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Dragon Pulse
- Recover
- Roar / Reflect / Wish
- Calm Mind / Reflect / Thunderwave

That's the most defensive set; his mono attack, or there's this;

Latias @ Leftovers
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 6 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Dragon Pulse
- Calm Mind
- Recover
- Surf / Substitute

Which is kinda defensive? ;;

Although if you're looking for something who can take a hit like beast use this;

Ferrothorn @ Leftovers
Trait: Iron Barbs
EVs: 252 HP / 48 Def / 208 SpD
Ivs: 0 Speed
Relaxed Nature (+Def, -Spe)
- Spikes
- Leech Seed / Stealth Rock
- Power Whip
- Gyro Ball / Thunderwave / Protect

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Old June 23rd, 2011, 03:39 PM
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hows my cloyster looking?
cloyster @ choice scarf
trait: skill link
nature: jolly
252 Attack 252 speed 4 Def

icicle spear
razor shell
ice shard
? ( need help with the 4th move)

so this is a rather odd cloyster because it is scarfed. my strategy with it is to attempt to outspeed most threats and take them out with icicle spear, or revenge kill with ice shard since it is a priority move. i figured most people would expect cloister to set up entry hazards rather than be scarfed so i kinda have an element of surprise on my side with this poke

i really need help with the 4th move btw. any help/comments/rating will be appreciated =)
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Old June 23rd, 2011, 03:58 PM
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Most people actually run a Shell Smash Cloyster, which allows him to take down a lot of different types of pokemon due to Skill Link and its ability to ignore substitute (almost) and increase critical hit chance (because each of the five hits has a chance of hitting for a critical hit, effectively increases the chances by 5x).

Cloyster@White Herb / Life Orb
Jolly Nature [+Spe; -SpA]
Ability: Skill Link
EVs: 48 HP / 252 Atk / 208 Spe
- Shell Smash
- Icicle Spear
- Rock Blast
- Razor Shell / Hydro Pump

Shell Smash, doubling speed and attack (and special attack if you decide to run Hydro Pump); White Herb will prevent your defense from falling, which is nice because Cloyster's naturally high defense stat can save him in a few cases; Life Orb adds more power obviously and ensure more OHKO's or 2HKO's. Icicle Spear and Rock Blast both abuse Skill Link, offering some coverage (albeit not much); Razor Shell and Hydro Pump are up to preference. If you're afraid of getting walled by the likes of Skarmory, Hydro Pump is a better option, whereas Shell Smash can be useful if you aren't worried about physical walls like Skarm. :] Hope this helps!
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Old June 24th, 2011, 08:05 AM
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Hiya,
I wanted to know how you receive the eevee evolution pokemon befriended on the online game. I befriended an Espeon a while back, but haven't managed to transfer it onto my black version - don't know what to do. I entered the dream world, but don't know what I have to do to bring the pokemon into my game. Would be very grateful if someone could help.
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Old June 24th, 2011, 08:33 AM
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Hiya,
I wanted to know how you receive the eevee evolution pokemon befriended on the online game. I befriended an Espeon a while back, but haven't managed to transfer it onto my black version - don't know what to do. I entered the dream world, but don't know what I have to do to bring the pokemon into my game. Would be very grateful if someone could help.
This question belongs in the Quick Questions thread in Stunfisk & Herdier.

The PGL website has instructions on the Promotions page. You'll need to Game Sync your cart to the Global Link and then capture the Espeon in the Entree Forest.
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Old June 24th, 2011, 10:19 PM
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A simple question.
My team has been kicked to the curb far too many times and I can't figure out why. I've EV trained all of them and most are level 50-80. And no matter what, it just seems like my Pokemon are overall weaker than anything I've battled online. My team does very little damage to the opposing Pokemon, and are usually killed in one hit. I've raised my team's HP and Defenses but that doesn't seem to make any difference.
Question: Will a Pokemon who has been leveled up to 100 have higher overall stats than one who hasn't, when competing in a Flat Battle?
Does a Pokemon that has been EV trained to maximum EVs not receive all of the added stat points, and therefore not reach it's potential zenith until it has Max leveled?
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Old June 24th, 2011, 10:30 PM
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So it seems you've EV trained your pokemon in the Defense stat and HP stat? Well generally, EV'ing pokemon in just those stats isn't always the best idea. It depends on the pokemon and the general rule-of-thumb is to EV train your pokemon in their best stats. For the example of Defense and HP, Skarmory comes to mind because it has a naturally high defense stat, and paring that with HP and Def EVs, you can make a bulky physical wall.

However, pokemon like Haxorus do not want to be EV'd in HP and Def because he's generally taking the role of a sweeper, more specifically, a physical sweeper. With his massive 147 base Attack, you would want to spend 252 Evs in Attack and Speed, with 4 in HP (to not waste anything) to offer maximum potential.

On top of that, natures are extremely important as well. Make sure your natures match what you want the pokemon to be doing. Impish (raises Defense, lowers Special Attack) is excellent for Skarmory, whereas Adamant is excellent for Haxorus (raises Attack, lowers special attack).

To answer the rest of your questions; no, a pokemon trained to level 100 will not have better stats if it's dropped to a flat rate of 50 for a battle. As for you second question, that is correct. You will not see all the investments of your EVs until you reach level 100. I wouldn't really worry about this if you're battling at a flat rate of 50, because your opponent faces the same hurdle.
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Old June 24th, 2011, 10:30 PM
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A simple question.
My team has been kicked to the curb far too many times and I can't figure out why. I've EV trained all of them and most are level 50-80. And no matter what, it just seems like my Pokemon are overall weaker than anything I've battled online. My team does very little damage to the opposing Pokemon, and are usually killed in one hit. I've raised my team's HP and Defenses but that doesn't seem to make any difference.
Question: Will a Pokemon who has been leveled up to 100 have higher overall stats than one who hasn't, when competing in a Flat Battle?
Does a Pokemon that has been EV trained to maximum EVs not receive all of the added stat points, and therefore not reach it's potential zenith until it has Max leveled?
The reason why I stopped playing Black version is that EVing there is somewhat way too difficult than distributing EVs as far as Pokemon Online is concerned. If anything, using that would be your best bet if you want smooth battling and what have you, but if you would rather stick to wi-fi, then there are many things that may hamper your progress when it comes to EV training. These things are namely:

EVs themselves: From the moment a Pokemon hatches from it's egg, you would have to figure out a way to distribute proper EVs into the specific stats and do it correctly. What makes EV training kind of frustrating this time around is that its extremely "fragile", if you will, in the sense that if you do mess up on EVing or do something incorrectly, you would more than likely have to rebreed and start the process all over.

...And well, I would say more factors, but I think the above pretty much covers all of your issues. If anything, either you're using the wrong pokemon to counter certain threats, or maybe your EVs are distributed incorrectly. These all could be factors of your losses, but then again, I blame wi-fi battling for the reason that it's kinda unreliable and kinda frustrating in general. Believe me, I used to be quite the fond wi-fi battler myself, but ever since joining PO, I've no reason to do the such anymore.
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Old June 24th, 2011, 10:32 PM
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i'll post this anyway since apparently this was deleted during the move!

since the 50 is half of 100, the stats are much less accurate, as is the damage. for example, max attack lucario vs a max hp metagross does 54.7% - 64.6% while level 100, and when they are both level 50, it's 56.1% - 66.3%. though it seems there is a slight increase, so i'm not sure why your pokemon seem weaker. as far as i know, pokemon still keep their evs in a flat battle too. does your pokemon have poor natures or ivs? if not, i don't know what the issue is then.
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Old June 24th, 2011, 10:46 PM
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i'll post this anyway since apparently this was deleted during the move!

since the 50 is half of 100, the stats are much less accurate, as is the damage. for example, max attack lucario vs a max hp metagross does 54.7% - 64.6% while level 100, and when they are both level 50, it's 56.1% - 66.3%. though it seems there is a slight increase, so i'm not sure why your pokemon seem weaker. as far as i know, pokemon still keep their evs in a flat battle too. does your pokemon have poor natures or ivs? if not, i don't know what the issue is then.
The main Poke in question is my Spiritomb. It has Calm Nature, boosting Special Defense and lowering Attack. Then I trained 252 EVs into HP, 116 Speed, 122 Defense, 20 Special Attack. I would think that (coupled with Spiritomb 's naturally high defenses ) this would be a decent Pokemon.

As she stands now, Spiritomb's stats at Lv. 51:
HP: 154
Attack: 92
Defense: 136
Special Attack: 104
Special Defense: 126
Speed: 64
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Old June 24th, 2011, 10:51 PM
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The main Poke in question is my Spiritomb. It has Calm Nature, boosting Special Defense and lowering Attack. Then I trained 252 EVs into HP, 116 Speed, 122 Defense, 20 Special Attack. I would think that (coupled with Spiritomb 's naturally high defenses ) this would be a decent Pokemon.

As she stands now, Spiritomb's stats at Lv. 51:
HP: 154
Attack: 92
Defense: 136
Special Attack: 104
Special Defense: 126
Speed: 64
spiritomb with perfect ivs, the same ev spread, and at level 51 gives me:

HP: 159
Atk: 102
Def: 146
SpA: 117
SpD: 143
Spe: 71

so yeah, your tomb does have much lower ivs than a standard flawless one, and that's most likely the reason why it's weaker.
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Old June 24th, 2011, 10:52 PM
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I can already tell you that your IVs aren't very good (or you EV training is off somewhere). Regardless, Tomb should be using EVs like this: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD with Bold Nature. His best set at the moment is a Calm Mind set, so boosting with Calm Mind will offer excellent defenses.

Spiritomb@Leftovers
Bold Nature [+Def; -Atk]
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
- Calm Mind
- Rest
- Dark Pulse
- Sleep Talk / Hidden Power [Fighting]

This is the recommended set for him. It offers the most survivability, while also providing you with decent coverage and status absorbing capabilities.
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Old June 24th, 2011, 10:56 PM
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How do you determine a Pokemon's IV?

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Spiritomb@Leftovers
Bold Nature [+Def; -Atk]
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
- Calm Mind
- Rest
- Dark Pulse
- Sleep Talk / Hidden Power [Fighting]
Spiritomb can't learn Sleep Talk in 5th generation. And how do you specify which Hidden Power you want to use?
And Bold nature is similar to Calm nature, just boosting standard Defense instead of Special Defense. Are you suggesting going with a solid standard Defense and forgetting all about the Special Defense? I'm not so confident that there are enough players that ignore Special damage.
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Old June 24th, 2011, 11:07 PM
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There a couple ways, but here's the best calculator:

http://www.metalkid.info/Pokemon/Calculators/IV.aspx

Choose your pokemon, nature, "characteristic" (when you click the drop down box, you should know what I mean), and fill in the stats/EVs you've invested and click Calculate. It will give you the IV values at the bottom. :] (This assumes level 100 I believe though).

Alternatively, if you use Pokemon Online, you can adjust the pokemon's level on the right, fill in the EVs, and then steadily move the IVs about until you notice changes in the stats. When they match yours, you know you have that IV. Be careful though as it could be a range of IVs.
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Old June 24th, 2011, 11:16 PM
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How do you improve a Pokemon's IV?
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Old June 24th, 2011, 11:37 PM
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How do you improve a Pokemon's IV?
unfortunately, you cannot. your pokemon are given its own ivs right when you catch/hatch it. it's random really, unless you use rng abuse or other breeding techniques.
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Old June 25th, 2011, 01:34 AM
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just wondering, is golurk a good pkmn for countering fighting, normal and electric pkmn? his abbilitys are pretty bad, so i was wondering if it aint a waste to get him for the league
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Old June 25th, 2011, 01:43 AM
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I've been EV training a Kabutops and I can't think of two other moves for it.
It has...

- Swords Dance
- Waterfall

I'm thinking of these

- Rock Slide/Stone Edge
- X-Scissor/Night Slash
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Old June 25th, 2011, 03:07 AM
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I've been EV training a Kabutops and I can't think of two other moves for it.
It has...

- Swords Dance
- Waterfall

I'm thinking of these

- Rock Slide/Stone Edge
- X-Scissor/Night Slash
Stone Edge and Aqua Jet/Low Kick are the two best options for those slots.
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Old June 25th, 2011, 03:58 AM
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How do you determine a Pokemon's IV?



Spiritomb can't learn Sleep Talk in 5th generation. And how do you specify which Hidden Power you want to use?
And Bold nature is similar to Calm nature, just boosting standard Defense instead of Special Defense. Are you suggesting going with a solid standard Defense and forgetting all about the Special Defense? I'm not so confident that there are enough players that ignore Special damage.
You raise it on a Generation IV game, then transfer it over... also, it has Calm Mind to raise it's Special attack and Defense stats, that is why Bold nature + 252 Ev's in Defense are needed.
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Old June 25th, 2011, 04:43 AM
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Spiritomb can't learn Sleep Talk in 5th generation. And how do you specify which Hidden Power you want to use?
And Bold nature is similar to Calm nature, just boosting standard Defense instead of Special Defense. Are you suggesting going with a solid standard Defense and forgetting all about the Special Defense? I'm not so confident that there are enough players that ignore Special damage.
Like dragonomega said, Calm Mind will boost your Special Defense - that's why you don't really need to focus so much on it because it will be boosted anyway. Your Hidden Power is determined by your IVs. More information on that can be found here.
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Old June 26th, 2011, 07:31 AM
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is this a viable sunny day jumpluff moveset:
Jumpluff - Chlorophyll/ leaf guard - Leftovers
Jolly Nature
252 HP, 252 Speed, 4 defence
sleep powder
amnesia
cotton guard
toxic

Basically you put them to sleep using your sleep powder, then use amnesia and cotton guard and increase your special defence + 2 and defence +3 respectively
then if the opponant wakes up after about 1 of each then put it back to sleep and keep using amnesia and cotton guard. Then when it wakes up again use toxic and just toxic stall out
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