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Old June 7th, 2011, 07:50 PM
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I came up with a team for competetive battling. NOTE THIS IS 4TH GEN.
This team is kind of based of Ninjask.
Ninjask
Ability: Speed Boost
Nature: Jolly
Item: Leftovers
Ev Spread: 252 Attack/ 252 Speed/ 6 HP
1. X-Scissor
2. Substitute
3. Swords Dance
4. Baton Pass
Typical Ninjask. The point is to substitute and get some stat boosts and switch into another pokemon. Don't know if I should invest more in HP or Attack.

Lucario
Ability: Inner Focus
Nature: Modest
Item: Expert Belt
Ev Spread: 252 Sp. Attack/ 252 Speed/ 6 HP
1. Aura Sphere
2. Dragon Pulse
3. Dark Pulse
4. Flash Cannon/ Hidden Power
This is a sweeper. He has an expert belt because of his variety of moves. Flash Cannon doesn't have much type coverage so I'm thinking about replacing it.

Flygon
Ability: Levitate
Nature: Modest
Item: White Herb
Ev Spread: 252 Sp. Attack/ 252 Speed/ 6 HP
1. Fire Blast
2. Draco Meteor
3. Earth Power
4. ???
I wanted to try a Special moveset with Flygon. I felt like being different. Salamence has higher Sp attack but everyone complains how he is now banned. Dragonite is in every single team I always fight. Like I said, I felt like having something different. The white herb is so that I can use Draco Meteor without lowering my stats. I need help with the last move.

Torterra
Ability: Overgrow
Nature: Adamant
Item: Persim Berry
Ev Spread: 252 Attack/ 252 Defense/ 6 Speed
1. Seed Bomb
2. Super Power/ Stone Edge
3. Outrage
4. Earthquake
This is used for revenge kills. I've used him with the Super Power set and he works quite well against dragons. They usually don't see the outrage coming. When coming in with Ninjask's Baton pass he has amazing speed and attack. Don't know if I should replace Super Power with Stone Edge.

Donphan
Ability: Sturdy
Nature: Adamant
Item: Leftovers
Ev Spread: 252 HP/ 252 Defense/ 6 Speed
1. Earthquake
2. Ice Shard
3. Stealth Rock
4. Rapid Spin/ Stone Edge
Physical wall and late stealth rock setter. I will usually use him after a baton pass from Ninjask. Still iffy about the Rapid Spin VS. Stone Edge.

Blaziken
Ability: Blaze
Nature: Adamant
Item: Shell Bell
Ev Spread: 252 HP/ 252 Attack/ 6 Speed
1. Brave Bird
2. Flare Blitz
3. Super Power
4. Earthquake/Stone Edge/ Thunder Punch
My recoil Blaziken. He works surprisingly well alone, and after a Baton pass with Ninjask he completely dominates. Can't really decide on the last move though.

I know this team has many many flaws and that's why I'd appreciate some helpful advice from you guys.

I'm thinking of replacing Flygon. He works well but I don't want three pokemon weak to ice on my team. I really need a water type.
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Old June 7th, 2011, 08:02 PM
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Blaziken owns, i would probably go for earthquake out of the three moves you have suggested for the last slot though. Looks like a solid team.
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Old June 7th, 2011, 09:17 PM
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Just a few nitpicks here and there.

I suggest changing your Lucario to the SD version, as without a boosting move for his special attack, it's almost required to run Specs on him if you want him as a special attacker. Since you have Ninjask running SD Baton Pass, you have the option of running the SD Lucario set without actually having SD on him, freeing up a slot for another coverage move. My suggestion for his set should look something like this:

Lucario@Life Orb
Jolly Nature [+Spe; -SpA]
Ability: Inner Focus
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
- Close Combat
- Extremespeed
- Crunch
- Stone Edge

This set offers optimal coverage and takes advantage of your Ninjask's baton passing abilities.

Also, running special attacks on Flygon are not recommended, due to his mediocre at best 80 base special attack. However, you seem set on running a special set, so here's his best possible set that includes special attacks (it's mixed to an extent to make use of his Ground-type STAB):

Flygon@Life Orb
Naive Nature [+Spe; -SpD] or Rash Nature [+SpA; -SpD]
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 80 Atk / 252 SpA / 176 Spe
- Draco Meteor
- Earthquake
- Fire Blast
- Roost / U-Turn

It's a mixed set because missing out on a good STAB Ground-type move is a terrible idea when using Flygon. It should work fairly well though. I suggest running Roost to heal off LO recoil.

One last thing, consider replacing Blaziken with Infernape, as Blaziken is inferior in every way.

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Old June 7th, 2011, 09:47 PM
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Flygon
Ability: Levitate
Nature: Modest
Item: White Herb
Ev Spread: 252 Sp. Attack/ 252 Speed/ 6 HP
1. Fire Blast
2. Draco Meteor
3. Earth Power
4. ???
I wanted to try a Special moveset with Flygon. I felt like being different. Salamence has higher Sp attack but everyone complains how he is now banned. Dragonite is in every single team I always fight. Like I said, I felt like having something different. The white herb is so that I can use Draco Meteor without lowering my stats. I need help with the last move.
Flygon would dramatically benefit from Roost. Or you could even try Hidden Power [Ice] if you insist on running a Special Sweeper.

Otherwise, listen to Aero.

Also, it's generally understood that you only need 508 EVs.


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Torterra
Ability: Overgrow
Nature: Adamant
Item: Persim Berry
Ev Spread: 252 Attack/ 252 Defense/ 6 Speed
1. Seed Bomb
2. Super Power/ Stone Edge
3. Outrage
4. Earthquake
This is used for revenge kills. I've used him with the Super Power set and he works quite well against dragons. They usually don't see the outrage coming. When coming in with Ninjask's Baton pass he has amazing speed and attack. Don't know if I should replace Super Power with Stone Edge.
If you are determined to run Torterra as is, than maybe try using Choice Band and putting all EVs into Attack and Speed. Changes in bold:

Ability: Overgrow
Nature: Adamant
Item: Choice Band
Ev Spread: 252 Attack/ 252 Speed / 4 HP

However, the main problem with Torterra is it's typing. It just has so many weaknesses. Maybe try:

Torterra
Ability: Overgrow
Nature: Impish
Item: Leftovers
Ev Spread: 252 HP/ 148 Attack / 108 Defense
1. Synthesis
2. Stone Edge
3. Wood Hammer

4. Earthquake
This way, Torterra has a good STAB with Wood Hammer and it's bulkier with Synthesis (+ Leftovers). With so many weaknesses, Torterra will really benefit from more Defense.

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Donphan
Ability: Sturdy
Nature: Adamant
Item: Leftovers
Ev Spread: 252 HP/ 252 Defense/ 6 Speed
1. Earthquake
2. Ice Shard
3. Stealth Rock
4. Rapid Spin/ Stone Edge
Here's my suggestion..

Donphan
Ability: Sturdy
Nature: Impish
Item: Leftovers
Ev Spread: 252 HP/ 172 Attack / 84 Defense
1. Earthquake
2. Ice Shard / Stone Edge
3. Stealth Rock
4. Rapid Spin

I like the Ice Shard! That's going to give you good variety. Definitely a unique approach. Stone Edge, although less unique, is much stronger than Ice Shard and will do more damage to Gyarados. Also, it'll hit Ghost types with Levitate harder. Keep, keep, keep Rapid Spin. Especially because you're using SR, you know how much it'll work in your favor to keep Rapid Spin.

That being said, your extra EVs in Speed are certainly nothing to surrender with ease. Having ammunition against Swampert, in terms of Speed, is good. It just depends on how you want to play Donphan.

Oh, and try using Leftovers instead of the Shell Bell on Blaziken.

Otherwise, good team dynamic. Best of luck!


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Old June 10th, 2011, 08:38 AM
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I would recommend making your Lucario a physical sweeper. Try using this set:

Lucario @ Life Orb / Expert Belt
Ability: Inner Focus
Nature: Adamant / Jolly (This is up to you)
EV Spread: 252Atk / 4SpDef / 252Spe

Swords Dance
Close Combat
Extremespeed
Crunch

A Sword Dance Lucario can rip an entire team to shreds. Especially with STAB Close Combat. Extremespeed can hurt anything that doesn't resist it after a few Swords Dance and the best part is it will always strike first. Crunch is there for coverage. You may want to opt for Stone Edge or even Earthquake to help cover Lucario's weaknesses (Flying and Fire respectively) instead of Crunch, but I'd go for Crunch. If you really wanted you could have an Expert Belt as a held item, but I would recommend Life Orb since Lucario has a mediocre base Def and SpDef stat anyway which means he won't last long.

Everything else looks good to me.
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Old June 10th, 2011, 08:52 AM
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I would recommend making your Lucario a physical sweeper. Try using this set:
That's the same set I suggested. xD Except I removed Swords Dance as he can easily receive one from Ninjask. It frees up a slot for him to fill it with another coverage move.
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Old June 10th, 2011, 09:05 AM
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That's the same set I suggested. xD Except I removed Swords Dance as he can easily receive one from Ninjask. It frees up a slot for him to fill it with another coverage move.
Yes. That's true. But what if Ninjask faints? Lucario will have no Swords Dance available to him after that. xD. Still I get what you're saying. It would free up a space for Stone Edge or EQ.

BTW, if you want to use Lucario as a special sweeper then use this set:

Lucario @ Choice Specs
Nature: Modest / Timid (Again, up to you)
Ability: Inner Focus
EV Spread: 252SpAtk / 4SpDef / 252Spe

Aura Sphere
Shadow Ball
Dragon Pulse
Hidden Power Rock

Aura Sphere for STAB. Shadow Ball, Dragon Pulse and HP Rock for coverage. Choice Spec Lucario, imo is the best choice for a special sweeping Lucario.

I wouldn't recommend Flygon being a Special Sweeper. His special attack stat is noticeably lower than his attack stat. Below are two sets; one for a physical sweeper and the other is for the special sweeper.

Physical Sweeper:

Flygon @ Life Orb
Nature: Jolly / Adamant (I would personally choose Jolly)
Ability: Levitate
EV Spread: 252Atk / 4SpDef / 252Spe

Earthquake
Roost
Dragon Claw
Fire Blast / Stone Edge (I would choose Fire Blast to help deal with Skarmory)

The ability to switch in on attacks makes Flygon a more potent sweeper. If you opt to use Fire Blast you can move the SpDef EVs into SpAtk. Otherwise stick with 4SpDef EVs. Stone Edge gives you leverage against Gyarados who is common in OU.

Special Sweeper:

Flygon @ Life Orb
Nature: Rash / Naive (Personal Preference)
Ability: Levitate
EV Spread: 80Atk / 252SpAtk / 176Spe

Draco Meteor
Earthquake / Earth Power (is it even possible? If so Atk EVs not needed: put them into hp or something)
Fire Blast
Roost

Draco Meteor offers STAB. If Earth Power is possible use that. Fire Blast for Skarm. Roost is needed as you want Flygon out for a while for effective sweeping.
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Old June 12th, 2011, 05:50 PM
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Flygon @ Life Orb
Nature: Rash / Naive (Personal Preference)
Ability: Levitate
EV Spread: 80Atk / 252SpAtk / 176Spe

Draco Meteor
Earthquake / Earth Power (is it even possible? If so Atk EVs not needed: put them into hp or something)
Fire Blast
Roost
is needed as you want Flygon out for a while for effective sweeping.
Yes it is possible but a platinum move tutor teaches it. And I went with the SD Lucario and switched Flygon with Swampert.
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