4th Gen Help Thread

[Skuntank]

Originally Posted by FrostPheonix

Once you max out ur attack evs then u dont need to up it. seeing as that each goldeen will give 1 attack ev, you wont max it out. But, at level hundred you will get all 50 points (200/4). it just adds up a little later, you wont get all those points instantly.
tell me if that sounds wierd, ill try rephrasing it.

1. Catch Adamant Gyarados lv 30
2. kill goldeens/seakings with macho brace getting 152 evs for attack, get to level 36
3. add 10 proteins (100 attack evs) for a total of 252 attack evs
4.Repeat for the defense/speed evs (12/246)
5. All done ev training, now at lv 40
6. Can i now just use Gyarados randomly ingame since i have filled all the evs? or will battling random pokemon and leveling up mess up the training?






*also, should i just transfer the ev trained pokes to my black? will i get more use out of my hard work there?

[bobandbill]

Firstly, you'd need to use the Proteins/etc before training on wild Pokemon, because they will only give you EVs for the first 100 - so if you already have a 100 or so EVs in a particular stat they will have no effect.

As for 6 - yes, you can battle anything you want once the EV training is done - they remain fixed so battling something else after won't change a thing. The only way to 'overwrite' EVs is to reset them via specific berries.

And you'll get the same 'use' out of EV trained Pokemon on b/w as in dppt/hgss - only depends what you would use it for anyway but it doesn't matter where you do the EV training. I suppose the only real difference is that it is easier to obtain the berries that reset EVs in the 4th gen games than the 5th atm if you ever need to use those.

[mm55052]

I'm playing HG, and I was wondering what a good team is for the Elite Four.
I can't beat them. XD

[Erik Destler]

Any team can beat the Elite Four. It's just a matter of using a little bit of strategy in preparing your Pokemon.
http://serebii.net/heartgoldsoulsilver/elitefour.shtml
Just look at the teams that they have and try to think what would be best to counter them.

[H i l d a]

I just beat the Mahogany Gym Leader, I beat that Team Rocket guy, and caught Shiny Gyardos at the Lake of Rage, but the guy at the right of Mahogany Town refuses to let me go to Blackthorn City. He mentioned the Olivine Lighthouse, so I went over there, but there was nothing. I also went to become an owner of the Safari Zone, but yet again, nothing. Did I miss something important? Thanks in advance. (:

[Careful With That Axe, Pichu!]

Yeah, the RageCandyBar guy is kind of misleading.

Go to Goldenrod City. I'm sure Prof. Elm called you earlier about the Radio Tower! Maybe things are not going well over there.

Good luck!

[H i l d a]

Oh, I never payed much attention to that call! My bad! Guess I'll go head over to Goldenrod and see what's up. (:

[PikachuGuy]

Aloha everyone. I have a quick question. I am thinking of breeding for an Adamant Dragonite and using him as a Physical sweeper. I have a Power Bracer to EV Train in Attack and saving for the speed power item. I'll EV him in attack for sky-high attack and speed to outspeed most and add the remaining EV's in HP. Would this be a good setup? I won't be using this for competitive battling.

[bobandbill]

I suppose - certainly 'better' then not EV training if you say intend to use it for the Battle Frontier. Mind you if you go for a Dragon Dance set then you could possibly consider putting some more EVs into defence instead, but I can't say I'm an expert with EVs and whatnot for that sort of stuff. =p

[PikachuGuy]

I guess Defense would be good because DD would be good to use but it allows the foe to attack you.

I was thinking of something like this:

Dragonite @ Leftovers OR Expert Belt
Adamant Nature
Outrage
Dragon Dance
Fire Punch
Wing Attack
EV's: 252 in Attack and 252 in Speed (Or Defense) and remaining 4 in any other stat.

I have a Hardy Nature 'Nite which has the exact same move set as the one posted above but only has 320 total attack (It's at Lv 100). And I hear you can get alot more attack out of 'Nite if you EV. And I hear alot of people prefer Adamant as a Physical sweeper, which is my main goal.

[Aerilyn]

Originally Posted by PikachuGuy

I guess Defense would be good because DD would be good to use but it allows the foe to attack you.

I was thinking of something like this:

Dragonite @ Leftovers OR Expert Belt
Adamant Nature
Outrage
Dragon Dance
Fire Punch
Wing Attack
EV's: 252 in Attack and 252 in Speed (Or Defense) and remaining 4 in any other stat.

I have a Hardy Nature 'Nite which has the exact same move set as the one posted above but only has 320 total attack (It's at Lv 100). And I hear you can get alot more attack out of 'Nite if you EV. And I hear alot of people prefer Adamant as a Physical sweeper, which is my main goal.

The thing with Dragonite is that it's not one of the most fastest Physical sweepers out there. This is why a lot of people tend to go for a Jolly nature 'Nite over Adamant. Looking at its Base Stats, it's Attack is at 134 while the Speed is set at only 80. If you plan to use it as a sweeper and outrun most of the Pokémon that can out speed a Dragonite, I'd suggest going for a Jolly nature. You can then decide what you'd like to do with the remaining EVs, if you'd like to put some in defense. Also, one more thing that I would suggest if you can do it, is instead of Wing Attack I would try and get Extreme Speed (HG/SS only). This way you can wipe out anything that's left with very little HP before it hits you first.

Now, I myself am no expert when it comes to competitive play including training up for the Battle Frontier, but the Request a Moveset / Simple Q&A / Breeding Questions thread over in the Competitive Battling Center forum might be of better help. The members over there know more than I would.

[Pokemon Game Fan]

^ Yeah that.
Is it possible to rematch Red after beating him?

[Kenshin5]

Red returns to Mt. Silver after you defeat the Elite 4 again.

[M4]

^

Red can be rematched after defeating the Elite 4 as Kenshin5 said.

You can do this repeatedly to keep fighting him for fast EXP.

'Elite 4 > Red > Elite 4 > Red'

[ShivaDF]

Which is better, a rose incense or a miracle seed? Do they both have the same effect?

[bobandbill]

If I recall correctly they give the same 20% boost in 4th/5th gen, it's just the Incense has the added feature of being used to breed Budew.

[Logos]

Okay so I think I am posting this in the right place. If not I am just really confused about these forums...LOL I am looking at either Plt or HG or SS...
I know Platinum really only has one region while HG/SS have two, but I am also looking for one that has the best pre and post game content. I know both series seem to have a LARGE amount of post game content, but which one would have some lasting appeal?

[bobandbill]

Moving to the help thread because that's where questions go.

Note your old thread was closed already in case you lost it. As I said in that, both have a lot of post-game content but HGSS probably has a bit more. Pre-game content...doesn't quite make sense to me though.

[epic_darkness]

Should I evolve my Eevee into Umbreon or Espeon? I know that Umbreon's not really a great attacker compared to the other Eeveelutions. Thanks in advance!

[chakra199]

i need some help training my pokemon on soul silver...im in blackthorn and my pokemon really need lvling up and i was wondering if any1 could help me with where to train

My Pokemon:
Magneton 35
Arbok 31
Kingler 35
Meganium 35
Persian 32
Notowl 31

Originally Posted by epic_darkness

Should I evolve my Eevee into Umbreon or Espeon? I know that Umbreon's not really a great attacker compared to the other Eeveelutions. Thanks in advance!

i suggest espeon...even tho i wouldve perfered umbreon

[Sydian]

Anyone wanna explain to me how the Safari Zone in HGSS works? And can I get Houndour from there pre-E4? Thanks in advance!

[bobandbill]

Originally Posted by epic_darkness

Should I evolve my Eevee into Umbreon or Espeon? I know that Umbreon's not really a great attacker compared to the other Eeveelutions. Thanks in advance!

Umbreon isn't a great attacker but he's got excellent defences, so he's good at being a wall/stalling (and say if you don't mind using Toxic or whatnot then he'll work just fine). All in all both are fine but if you really want a hard-hitter Espeon is better for that - they just do different things, those Pokemon.

Originally Posted by chakra199

i need some help training my pokemon on soul silver...im in blackthorn and my pokemon really need lvling up and i was wondering if any1 could help me with where to train

My Pokemon:
Magneton 35
Arbok 31
Kingler 35
Meganium 35
Persian 32
Notowl 31

You can battle people south of Blackthorn (and the wild Pokemon there too), and make sure you didn't skip out on hidden places like surfing a bit south of Goldenrod (route 34) and exploring more of the Union Cave with Surf as there are trainers to be found there too. You can also rematch specific trainers via the phone at specific times (as often as you want during 'their time segment') - more here.

Originally Posted by Sydian

Anyone wanna explain to me how the Safari Zone in HGSS works? And can I get Houndour from there pre-E4? Thanks in advance!

General gist is some Pokemon can be found straightaway, and others need you to place a specific number of a type of block in areas of the Safari Zone and may only appear a set number of days after unlocking the Safari zone too.

By my understanding for Houndour the only limit is having unlocked the blocks for the Safari zone and putting four forest blocks in the savannah area so you *should* be able to get it pre-E4 (I assume the same applies to the non-Johto Pokemon, but with those one has to wait a set number of days to get to them). You don't need to wait after that, but it will be of a high level. List here. Scroll up for more explanation on blocks in that page.

[qw13]

Can i beat Elite four with this team?(Of course in HGSS)

FERALIGATR LVL 47
-WATERFALL
-ICE FANG
-CRUNCH
-FOCUS BLAST

QUAGSIRE LVL 44
-STRENGTH
-SURF
-EARTHQUAKE
-BLIZZARD

ESPEON LVL 43
-PSYBEAM
-FUTURE SIGHT
-SHADOW BALL
-SWIFT

SCYTHER LVL 44
-U TURN
-X SCISSOR
-WING ATTACK
-DOUBLE TEAM

VICTREEBEL LVL 44
-SOLARBEAM
-SUNNY DAY
-SLUDGE BOMB
-SLEEP POWDER

DRAGONAIR LVL 40
-THUNDER WAVE
-DRAGON PULSE
-WATERFALL
-EXTREMESPEED

Please say what levels shouls i raise them to, where can i raise them, and what moves should i teach them?

[shadowysi]

I saw someone say on HG/SS that you can get a sinnoh ticket? is this true and how can you obtain it?

I know in the FAQ it says it isn't possible but is it possible now?

[Toshiro.]

I saw that also, but it isn't true.