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Old November 5th, 2011, 01:25 AM
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Totally doesn't deserve to be top! D<

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I think I know what went on here: whoever had that Ninetales was expecting Politoed or Tyranitar to switch in to change the weather, but they mispredicted.
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Old November 5th, 2011, 01:32 AM
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Well yeah, I had Tyranitar, but the Pokemon I had kinda had no need to switch out, lol. I'm just amused by needing sunny day Ninetales ;x like unless you're playing swift swim where you need rain dance it doesn't really seem useful imo.
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Old November 5th, 2011, 01:41 AM
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Well yeah, I had Tyranitar, but the Pokemon I had kinda had no need to switch out, lol. I'm just amused by needing sunny day Ninetales ;x like unless you're playing swift swim where you need rain dance it doesn't really seem useful imo.
Here's a Ninetales set that's currently going through analysis in Smogon:
-Sunny Day
-Fire Blast/Flamethrower
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Nature: Modest
EVs: 128 HP/252 SAtk/20 SDef/108 Spe
Item: Leftovers/Life Orb
Ability: Drought

The aim of this Ninetales is to try to maintain sun in the face of other weather inducers, or so I've read.
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Old November 5th, 2011, 01:51 AM
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I guess it makes sense, just I wouldn't really use it since it involves SO much prediction, and in which case I'd rather use it on something other than the inducer because if the inducer faints then yeah sort of pointless.
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Old November 7th, 2011, 03:58 AM
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I prefer the classic switch out method. My Politoed is bulky, but I don't want it taking hits if there is another inducer on the field.

Also, my team is doing very well on the PO server, I'm on 12XX points :D !
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Old November 8th, 2011, 05:30 PM
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I see this place is still live and kickin' ;D

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Old November 8th, 2011, 05:33 PM
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AURA its been forever I missed you dude ;__;

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Old November 8th, 2011, 06:16 PM
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Why hello there Aura. D:

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Old November 10th, 2011, 08:44 PM
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Did pc like, um, die?

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Old November 10th, 2011, 10:30 PM
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Omg I moved into NU and it is sooooo much more fun than OU. Like, I am loving Pokemon again. Sawk is awesome anyways, and now I have a reason to use him. Golurk is pwning, Elektross. It's just full of pwn. /gushing
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Old November 10th, 2011, 11:10 PM
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I am in need of some advice, if u fight an umbreon that has this
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and gets u stuck with mean look, then yawn, finally baton passes for something to kill ur poke, what can u actually do when u meet one of these bad boys?
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Old November 12th, 2011, 11:57 AM
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I am in need of some advice, if u fight an umbreon that has this
moveset:
yawn
mean look
baton pass
wish
and gets u stuck with mean look, then yawn, finally baton passes for something to kill ur poke, what can u actually do when u meet one of these bad boys?
Mean Look and Baton Pass doesnt work this gen so my input would be "Just switch out" lol

If its for gen 4 get a status absorber and/or a pHazer. Fighting moves such as CC etc OHKO it regardless. Its also Taunt bait.


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Old November 12th, 2011, 06:58 PM
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Yeah, Sableye is a beast. WoW and Recover make it crazy good.
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Old November 12th, 2011, 07:08 PM
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Agreed, haven't used it but faced it, 'twas annoying to face. I honestly don't know anything about its stats so whenever I face one I send out Heatran to OHKO with Fire Blast, there's probably an easier way, but that's still the best thing I can do, since w-o-w and taunt doesn't hurt it 'cause offensive.
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Old November 12th, 2011, 07:11 PM
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Yeah, I generally send out something that can hit it hard (Usually my Rotom-W to Hydro Pump) but with Pursuit being Neutral and it having WoW, it's hard to take out with anything else.
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Old November 12th, 2011, 07:49 PM
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guys, can i ask for a triple battle here? i´ve been lost for a while :/
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Old November 12th, 2011, 07:50 PM
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guys, can i ask for a triple battle here? i´ve been lost for a while :/
The appropriate place to ask for that would be in the quick battle thread since this thread is just for discussion :3

@Ooka: Pfft, you're risking Rotom-W getting w-o-w'd though! :( AND SEE HOW USEFUL IT IS LATER ON.
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Old November 12th, 2011, 07:53 PM
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The appropriate place to ask for that would be in the quick battle thread since this thread is just for discussion :3

@Ooka: Pfft, you're risking Rotom-W getting w-o-w'd though! :( AND SEE HOW USEFUL IT IS LATER ON.
Well Rotom-W is a special attacker, so it only minds the 12% residual from Burn. Luckily, it had Pain Split to gain all its lost health back. You're right about Sableye, though, Heatran is probably the best way to defeat it ^__^.
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Old November 13th, 2011, 10:02 PM
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I'm laddering and I face someone with a Mienshao. Expecting Fake Out/Life Orb, I go with Scizor since it won't really make a difference to me either way (and while Starmie could work - don't wanna be u-turned since it was in lead anyway). Mienshao uses High Jump Kick, manages to hit four times in a row and crits twice, killing 3 Pokemon in the mean time. Right now I'm thinking wtf. :(

Oh and fire blast (with a crit and one normal) / focus miss didn't miss at all during another battle. Why so unlucky today. ;;
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Old November 14th, 2011, 08:37 AM
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Go to Tools > Hax > Off

Oh wait, I think I'm the only one with that option.
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Old November 14th, 2011, 03:04 PM
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Wait does that option legitimately exist for you because you're apart of their staff? Or are you just not serious at all? lol, because if there was a filter about the amount of hax you could get I'd turn it down about 50%. :x
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Old November 14th, 2011, 04:07 PM
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Hax is undeniably a part of the game. There's no way to remove or "lessen" it without radically changing the game, and tbh there's nothing to say but "deal with it". Yeah, I know, it sucks. It sucks to lose a game when you have absolute control of a match, and sometimes it means huge losses (pfft dropped about 60 points from 1342 to 1280 something in a matter of three losses) and sometimes it means missing out on huge gains, like if you outplay someone really good. You deserve the win, but you miss out on the glory of it. So what do you do? You just scroll back down and click "Find Battle" again.

There's nothing you can do about it, really. Complain, ragequit, whatever... it's not like the other person is bending the RNG to their will. I think the key difference between a good player and a great player is that the great one has learned to minimize luck. By playing strategically, you can avoid key critical hits or status moves and seal a victory. I really can only speak from an offensive point of view because I've never played stall successfully but the best way to minimize hax is to simply know your team and have experience with it. If you know that Pokemon A can outspeed and OHKO Pokemon B but can't take two hits from it, then in order to minimize luck you should let something else die to bring it in or else you risk 'mon B getting a critical and KOing your check.

I guess the moral of the story is to not let hax get to you, especially if you start going on a losing streak because of it. Take a break for a while if you do! Luck is a part of the game (and if we wanted to play a game without luck, then that's what chess is there for).

edit: after actually reading some things other people said lol

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Omg I moved into NU and it is sooooo much more fun than OU. Like, I am loving Pokemon again. Sawk is awesome anyways, and now I have a reason to use him. Golurk is pwning, Elektross. It's just full of pwn. /gushing
NU is by far my favorite metagame, lol. Except you're playing on PO. :|
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Old November 15th, 2011, 05:54 AM
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Wait does that option legitimately exist for you because you're apart of their staff? Or are you just not serious at all? lol, because if there was a filter about the amount of hax you could get I'd turn it down about 50%. :x
Lol, no, I was joking. xD Though it would be nice, it's unfortunately not going anywhere.

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Hax is undeniably a part of the game. There's no way to remove or "lessen" it without radically changing the game, and tbh there's nothing to say but "deal with it". Yeah, I know, it sucks. It sucks to lose a game when you have absolute control of a match, and sometimes it means huge losses (pfft dropped about 60 points from 1342 to 1280 something in a matter of three losses) and sometimes it means missing out on huge gains, like if you outplay someone really good. You deserve the win, but you miss out on the glory of it. So what do you do? You just scroll back down and click "Find Battle" again.

There's nothing you can do about it, really. Complain, ragequit, whatever... it's not like the other person is bending the RNG to their will. I think the key difference between a good player and a great player is that the great one has learned to minimize luck. By playing strategically, you can avoid key critical hits or status moves and seal a victory. I really can only speak from an offensive point of view because I've never played stall successfully but the best way to minimize hax is to simply know your team and have experience with it. If you know that Pokemon A can outspeed and OHKO Pokemon B but can't take two hits from it, then in order to minimize luck you should let something else die to bring it in or else you risk 'mon B getting a critical and KOing your check.

I guess the moral of the story is to not let hax get to you, especially if you start going on a losing streak because of it. Take a break for a while if you do! Luck is a part of the game (and if we wanted to play a game without luck, then that's what chess is there for).

edit: after actually reading some things other people said lol



NU is by far my favorite metagame, lol. Except you're playing on PO.
Just use a whole team with Battle Armor + a Ghost and Ground type. Critical Hits and Paralyze = 90% of hax imo. (Last 10% is like, flinches, which aren't annoying without the paralyze)
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Old November 15th, 2011, 07:56 PM
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Hey yo, so im gonna do my threat list again in between work, college and smashing the gym. I want it smaller and minimize wording. Wolf gave me a few ideas where i could do sets and just link to smogon for the explanations and just list counters rather than explaining them since those took up so much space it was unreal.

What i had in mind was kind of like this based on what wolf said;

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---Salamence---


Overview - Probably shorter than Smogon's, but still gets the point across about its impact on the metagame. (Or is an overview even necessary?)

Offensive Dragon Dance

Salamence @ item
nature
evs
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- swdefr
- swderf
- awqert

Counters:

P2, Cress, Zong, yada yada.

Then the rest of the Smogon movesets in similar way
Or just leaving counters for the end of the sets and linking to smogon again lol idk.

Basically since this is for you guys, what do you want to see done with how i format it and what do you want included ? (I dont want to make anything massively wordy again as that was part of the reason that killed me wanting to do it last time lol)

I.E; not like this lol x.x ;

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---Excadrill---

Excadrill is arguable the biggest threat of all the new gen 5 Pokemon. Its typing, stats, pseudo bulk and ability to beat most of its ground counters with a Air Balloon just give it that edge over most of the metagame. Even before we get onto its fantastic ability that grants it +2 speed when the ever common Sandstorm is present, which totally nulls revenge killing that is not priority. Its a "must beat" threat for certain. Its movepool maybe shallow but it has all it needs to shine. Forgo countering or checking this powerful mole at your peril.

Excadrill @ Air Balloon / Life Orb
Trait: Sand Rush
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature (+Spe, -SAtk)
- Swords Dance
- Earthquake
- Rock Slide
- Return / Rapid Spin / X-Scissor

This is the standard Swords Dance Excadrill set. Get Tyranitar or Hippowdon as a partner to activate Sand Rush and Swords Dance on switches and watch bodies fly around as you smack things with that wonderful base 135 Attack. Earthquake is its massively powerful STAB move capable of OHKOing many things after a boost. Rock Slide complements it coverage wise and is useful to hit flying foes, its a shame it doesnt get Stone Edge but Rock Slides flinch rate is very useful. The last slot is up to you, Excadrill is probably the best offensive spinner in the game, not only does it wreck every ghost after a boost apart from Cofagrigus, but its also immune to all residual damage bar the 3% it takes from Stealth Rock with a Air Balloon attached and none of the Spikers threaten it apart from Ferrothorn. X-Scissor hits things like Cress and Latias and is your best option vs Bronzong, whilst Return is your most powerful option vs Gliscor, Breloom and Rotom-W.

Countering Excadrill may or may not be difficult based on how your team is layed out. Defensive Pokemon with Earthquake like Hippowdon are at the top of the list but lose to Air Balloon variants (the most common), however without Air Balloon they work well. Defensive Gliscor can still win even with Air Balloon if it has a move to pop the Air Balloon like Facade/Aerial Ace so is arguable the most solid Excadrill counter. Rotom-W is a good counter as it can take any boosted hit and use Hydro Pump for a OHKO, beware the shaky accuracy though. Azumarril, Conkeldurr, Technitop and Breloom can all check it with priority. Bronzong can take anything it throws out, Gyro Ball then Earthquake to KO. Skarmory can check it, by popping the Air Balloon and blow it away to make it vulnerable to ground attacks. Slowbro and Suicune can both take boosted Earthquakes and even X-Scissors in Slowbro's case and is a reliable counter with Regenerator and Surf/Scald. Impish Gyarados isnt KO'd by anything Air Balloon Dory throws out even after a boost, even Rock Slide (factoring Intimidate and Stealth Rock damage) and can KO with Waterfall. Changing the weather to anything not Sand makes Dory easier to deal with and Scarf Politoed and Abomasnow are great for this purpose, and both outspeed and KO. Drought Ninetales can check too but fears EQ's. Max HP and Defense Hitmontop is a good counter thanks to Intimidate and so are bulky Air Balloon users, for example Terrakion, Magnezone and Heatran. Weezing can also counter Excadrill with its fire moves or Will-O-Wisp. Whimsicott can Encore it into Swords Dance or Earthquakes and Sub Seed it to death. As far as blocking its Rapid Spin, Eviolite Dusclops and Cofagrigus are the best bet.
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Old November 16th, 2011, 09:38 AM
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I assume you want it smaller so that it's easier on the eyes. Why not put the detailed information in spoilers for people who want to look at that stuff and keep the main facts in the layout you suggested.
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