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Old August 3rd, 2011 (02:09 PM).
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Quote originally posted by Dark Azelf:
One Rain setter will NOT work, you need 3 or even 4 on teams without Drizzle. Preferably Dugtrio to remove Tyranitar and Ninetales too.

Bliss needs max Defense ALWAYS, it takes hits as good as Max HP Scizor and Spiritimb with it, plus you have Calm Mind.

Toxicroak wants Drain Punch over Earthquake for STAB, that and it lets you heal.

Kingdra wants Modest and Choice Specs. HP Fighting over Flash Cannon for Ferrothorn. Dragon Pulse over Ice Beam for late game sweeps and Ice Beam offers redundant coverage with Dragon.

Ill come back for a more in depth rate later.
I had TWO rain setters before you posted, (Dragonite and Thundurus) but added RD to Kingdra´s moveset anyway, removing the mentioned Ice Beam. I did switch Meteor for Pulse though, since the -2 Spatk wasn´t worth it.

Blissey is the Spdef wall...that´s what Ferro is for...

I´ll playtest Drain Punch.

Kingdra already had Modest and Choice Specs...

HP Fighting on Ferro sounds better in a way, but I might need reliable STAB, or I might not. I´ll playtest.
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Old August 3rd, 2011 (04:02 PM). Edited August 3rd, 2011 by Dark Azelf.
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I had TWO rain setters before you posted, (Dragonite and Thundurus) but added RD to Kingdra´s moveset anyway, removing the mentioned Ice Beam. I did switch Meteor for Pulse though, since the -2 Spatk wasn´t worth it.

Blissey is the Spdef wall...that´s what Ferro is for...

I´ll playtest Drain Punch.

Kingdra already had Modest and Choice Specs...

HP Fighting on Ferro sounds better in a way, but I might need reliable STAB, or I might not. I´ll playtest.
My bad i didnt see rain dance on nite, but you still need more setters.

I meant, you need HP Fighting on your Kingdra for FOE Ferrothorn who otherwise walls it not on your Ferrothorn lol. DMeteor/DPulse/HP Fight/Surf or Hydro Pump @ Modest @ Specs is what i meant on your Kingdra.

As for Blissey, it needs maximum defense always. It already has high enough special defense and will lose to weak physical moves such as Pursuit which Blissey CAN otherwise take with ease with max def evs. (Also Wurmple 2hko's Blissey with CB Bug Bite with no defense evs, im being serious a Pokemon with base 45 Attack lol ). Plus you have Calm Mind so this even further supports my point.


EDIT: And Drain Punch should go over EQ on Toxicroak, EQ doesn't hit anything Drain Punch wont.

EDIT 2: If you're concerned about hitting ground types with Thundurus, use HP Ice over Focus Blast on it. Also hits dragons and grass types.
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Old August 7th, 2011 (08:14 PM).
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Quote originally posted by Dark Azelf:
My bad i didnt see rain dance on nite, but you still need more setters.

I meant, you need HP Fighting on your Kingdra for FOE Ferrothorn who otherwise walls it not on your Ferrothorn lol. DMeteor/DPulse/HP Fight/Surf or Hydro Pump @ Modest @ Specs is what i meant on your Kingdra.

As for Blissey, it needs maximum defense always. It already has high enough special defense and will lose to weak physical moves such as Pursuit which Blissey CAN otherwise take with ease with max def evs. (Also Wurmple 2hko's Blissey with CB Bug Bite with no defense evs, im being serious a Pokemon with base 45 Attack lol ~_~). Plus you have Calm Mind so this even further supports my point.


EDIT: And Drain Punch should go over EQ on Toxicroak, EQ doesn't hit anything Drain Punch wont.

EDIT 2: If you're concerned about hitting ground types with Thundurus, use HP Ice over Focus Blast on it. Also hits dragons and grass types.
Thanks for DP and HP Ice. I´m still kind of apprehensive about max Blissey def evs, but I´ll see tommorow, I´m kind of tired now.
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Old August 7th, 2011 (10:06 PM).
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Alternate Cleaning Wipes Sweeper

Capricorn (Dragonite) @ Expert Belt
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252 Atk/ 200 Spd/ 58 Spatk
Lonely
- Rain Dance
- Dragon Dance
- Dragon Claw
- Hurricane

Alternate Sweeper. Again. Mentioned many times.

Rain Dance can be used to bring Rain back in case it runs out and I desperately need it but Thundurus is fainted, Dragon Dance and Dragon Claw allow Dragonite to sweep beautifully, and Hurricane gets 100% in rain so why not.
I'm just nit-picking.

For Dragonite, since you're running a Mixed set, I think you should try a Quiet Nature [+Sp.Attack; -Speed] over Lonely. DD will make up for the loss in Speed if you can get a few off. Also, Dragonite has a lot of excellent Physical attacks that are more effective than Dragon Claw. I know that Dragon Claw will cover a lot of your threats and gets STAB, but it's nothing that Kingdra or Thundurus won't cover. Maybe give some thought to Superpower and Extreme Speed? Those are some of my personal favorites. Plus, Extreme Speed comes with its own set of advantages, like covering the loss of Speed from the Quiet Nature, so it might be worthwhile. Certainly test it out and see how you like it.

That being said, if you do choose to change all this stuff, you'd have to reorganize the EVs. If you do, than just put 252 Attack / 252 Sp.Attack / 4 HP.

Oh, and regardless, now that you only have two attacks, it might be worth dropping the Expert Belt in favor of the Damp Rock because you're not getting that much coverage to warrant a 20% boost to only super effective attacks. At least the Damp Rock will prolong the turns that Rain is in effect.

Team looks good. I hope all this hard work pays off.
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