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Old August 21st, 2011 (03:34 PM).
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It's not only trade threads. It's mainly in the quick-trade. and that's my point. Sometimes I want to trade in 4th gen only, so I look for 4th gen threads only, I don't want to open 5 tabs only to realize that 4 of them are 5th gen. How hard is it to write "4th gen/5th gen"? Hell, to make it easier, it's already THERE for you! All you have to do while making a thread is click on the left side and open the drop-down menu, and click "4th gen" or "5th gen" if you're too mental/lazy to do that, then why even make a trade thread? If you're doing both, write "both", or something. It isn't very hard.

And in the Quick Trade topic, I constantly see people write stuff like "I want a Gible, offering Treecko" etc. So you can't tell if it's 5th or 4th gen. I can understand posts like "I want Hydreigon, will offer Salamence", etc.
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Then they should state their friend code and what game it is too upon THEIR post in that topic. That's going to be even more hard to regulate then Threads though. Having suffixs probably should be mandatory, that or have the friend codes posted either in the persons first post of their topic or in their signature. Whatever makes trading easier for both parties, should be the route to go whatever that may be.
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It's not only trade threads. It's mainly in the quick-trade. and that's my point. Sometimes I want to trade in 4th gen only, so I look for 4th gen threads only, I don't want to open 5 tabs only to realize that 4 of them are 5th gen. How hard is it to write "4th gen/5th gen"? Hell, to make it easier, it's already THERE for you! All you have to do while making a thread is click on the left side and open the drop-down menu, and click "4th gen" or "5th gen" if you're too mental/lazy to do that, then why even make a trade thread? If you're doing both, write "both", or something. It isn't very hard.

And in the Quick Trade topic, I constantly see people write stuff like "I want a Gible, offering Treecko" etc. So you can't tell if it's 5th or 4th gen. I can understand posts like "I want Hydreigon, will offer Salamence", etc.
Well 5th gen is the current generation. So, a good rule of thumb is to assume the trades are for 5th gen unless otherwise stated. I have no problem with "strongly recommending" people to specify if they are trading in 4th gen, but forcing everyone to specify trades for 5th gen would be unnecessary and annoying.


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Then they should state their friend code and what game it is too upon THEIR post in that topic. That's going to be even more hard to regulate then Threads though. Having suffixs probably should be mandatory, that or have the friend codes posted either in the persons first post of their topic or in their signature. Whatever makes trading easier for both parties, should be the route to go whatever that may be.
If someone does not have an organized trade thread, then is probably not worth trading with them anyway (imho).
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The FC is whatever to me. They'll exchange FCs if they're going to trade anyway, so no point really, but it does help I guess. Not a huge deal to me, I think the suffixes are important though.

The game doesn't really matter if they post the generation and the Pokemon they own.

And why should we have to assume that? Like I said, if you're too lazy to use a VERY VERY VERY simple to use suffix, don't bother making a thread. You can post all the Pokemon you have, but you can't use a simply prefix? It doesnt matter what Generation it is, that is completely irrelevant to the argument.
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And why should we have to assume that? Like I said, if you're too lazy to use a VERY VERY VERY simple to use suffix, don't bother making a thread. You can post all the Pokemon you have, but you can't use a simply prefix? It doesnt matter what Generation it is, that is completely irrelevant to the argument.
Uh, stating something is irrelevant to the argument does not make it so.
And yeah, it does matter. The vast majority of trading nowadays is 5th gen, so why annoy them merely for the convenience of the minority of traders that still trade in 4th gen? Think of how much effort it would be to crack down on every single person who does not list which generation they are trading in. And, as I said before to Kenshin5: if you don't like the way someone structures their thread, don't trade with them. Simple as that.

EDIT: Uh, yeah that smily on the top of my post was unintentional. (And I can't delete it).
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Because she wanted as much feedback as she could get. Any feedback is better then no feedback. At least you voiced your opinion, even though people didn't agree with some of your suggestions.
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^ ^ I love the common sense involved... yeah why make people do something insanely simple that even a 6 year old can do (if a 6 year old can get on a forum, make a thread, and type a trade, they can make a simple prefix), when we can make everyone assume it's 5th gen and skip a thread when it could be a huuuuge key trade going on there?There are a lot of people that still trade 4th gen, just cause you don't, doesn't mean everyone else doesn't. And LMAO @ your last argument, yeah cause if the greatest trader ever has a bad thread, I should completely ignore them right?

What's easier, making every person eager to trade in a certain generation open a bunch of tabs to figure out what generation each thread is, or just simply have each person say what generation they're trading from? Seems like such common sense, I almost can't believe you're arguing against it. Seems so ridiculous to me.
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Wow, you're getting way too worked up over this. Anyway, I'll respond to this piece by piece.[QUOTE]
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^ ^ I love the common sense involved... yeah why make people do something insanely simple that even a 6 year old can do (if a 6 year old can get on a forum, make a thread, and type a trade, they can make a simple prefix), when we can make everyone assume it's 5th gen and skip a thread when it could be a huuuuge key trade going on there?
If you really care that much, just open up the thread. Besides, prefixes aren't always aesthetically pleasing
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There are a lot of people that still trade 4th gen, just cause you don't, doesn't mean everyone else doesn't.
I never said I didn't. I still play, RNG, and trade on my fourth Gen games. And even though there are a lot of people, 5th gen is still the clear majority. And what's wrong with asking just 4th gen players to do it?
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And LMAO @ your last argument, yeah cause if the greatest trader ever has a bad thread, I should completely ignore them right?
Uh, what? It's up to you to decide which treads you ignore.
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What's easier, making every person eager to trade in a certain generation open a bunch of tabs to figure out what generation each thread is, or just simply have each person say what generation they're trading from?
What, are you on dial up? How is opening a bunch of tabs hard? It really doesn't take that long. You're criticizing other people for being lazy, yet this sounds like major laziness on your part.
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Seems like such common sense, I almost can't believe you're arguing against it. Seems so ridiculous to me.
I really have no problem with it being in the rules, as long as it's not enforced. What I have a problem with is people being forced to do it.
How would it be enforced anyway? Would someone's thread get locked (or QTT post deleted) if they didn't list which generation they were trading in?
Again you're asking for something that would put an undue burden on the moderators and would just be annoying to other traders.

TL;DR
  • 5th gen is the current generation, regardless of the rules, it is reasonable to assume that all trades will be 5th gen unless otherwise stated. This is just common sense.
  • The rule would be difficult to enforce and annoying for staff and members should it be enforced.
  • I have no problem with it being listed as a guideline
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Quote originally posted by Pokemon Game Fan:
^ ^ I love the common sense involved... yeah why make people do something insanely simple that even a 6 year old can do (if a 6 year old can get on a forum, make a thread, and type a trade, they can make a simple prefix), when we can make everyone assume it's 5th gen and skip a thread when it could be a huuuuge key trade going on there?There are a lot of people that still trade 4th gen, just cause you don't, doesn't mean everyone else doesn't. And LMAO @ your last argument, yeah cause if the greatest trader ever has a bad thread, I should completely ignore them right?

What's easier, making every person eager to trade in a certain generation open a bunch of tabs to figure out what generation each thread is, or just simply have each person say what generation they're trading from? Seems like such common sense, I almost can't believe you're arguing against it. Seems so ridiculous to me.

I'd lose the tone kiddo. It won't solve anything.

There are more threads pertaining to current generation, ie, B/W. It's always been that way, I've been here a very long time, I know things. Current generation supersedes the former.

And why are we making a huge deal of something so completely trivial and stupid. If you want to see what sort of thread it is, then click the link. If you don't see anything you like, then click the back button. Not hard at all, is it?
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He's doing the same thing, you didn't tell him anything?

and like it's so much harder to use the prefixes..

But wow, whatever. Seems like the only people here that actually take ideas into consideration and look at them in any way are Twilight Blade and Kenshin.

I'll just stop posting suggestions and go back to my trading, I don't care what happens anymore, I was just pitching my ideas.
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Quote originally posted by Pokemon Game Fan:
He's doing the same thing, you didn't tell him anything?
and like it's so much harder to use the prefixes..
But wow, whatever. Seems like the only people here that actually take ideas into consideration and look at them in any way are Twilight Blade and Kenshin.
I'll just stop posting suggestions and go back to my trading, I don't care what happens anymore, I was just pitching my ideas.
Nobody says that they do not take your ideas seriously. Based on your argument so far, it just seems that you think your idea is right and it is a must for this trade corner rather than just a suggestion
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I dunno if anyone else notices this or not. But there are threads that are over 10+ they meet the bare minimum but are just borderline Quick Trade Thread material. These threads in question don't even look like they have a potential for expanding into a shop, they aren't formatted like a shop or anything. They are mainly looking for a couple trades or dex fillers, which can be resolved in Quick Trade Thread like the ones that are lesser then 10+. So I was wondering would anyone be in favor of increasing the number of Pokemon it takes to have a thread from 10+ too something high at least 20+ or eliminate threads that are solely looking for dex fillers? Somebody may say well I am being overlooked in Quick Trade Thread. Well if we are going to move services out of there and either create a topic of it's own or meld it in with the other main services then that would free up space in Quick Trade Thread. Then this new Quick Trade Thread would be centered around Small Trades and Dex Fillers. Now I understand if a starting thread shop has less the 20+, but usually we can tell if something is a shop or not and is going to continue to grow into a bigger shop which they usually do.
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Quote originally posted by Kenshin5:
I dunno if anyone else notices this or not. But there are threads that are over 10+ they meet the bare minimum but are just borderline Quick Trade Thread material. These threads in question don't even look like they have a potential for expanding into a shop, they aren't formatted like a shop or anything. They are mainly looking for a couple trades or dex fillers, which can be resolved in Quick Trade Thread like the ones that are lesser then 10+. So I was wondering would anyone be in favor of increasing the number of Pokemon it takes to have a thread from 10+ too something high at least 20+ or eliminate threads that are solely looking for dex fillers? Somebody may say well I am being overlooked in Quick Trade Thread. Well if we are going to move services out of there and either create a topic of it's own or meld it in with the other main services then that would free up space in Quick Trade Thread. Then this new Quick Trade Thread would be centered around Small Trades and Dex Fillers. Now I understand if a starting thread shop has less the 20+, but usually we can tell if something is a shop or not and is going to continue to grow into a bigger shop which they usually do.
I am in favor of eliminating the threads that are solely for dex fillers rather than increasing since increasing will not do much different. People who look for dex fillers can simply try to find the pokes they want from the QTT or ask the other shops to see if they have it or not.
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I am in favor of eliminating the threads that are solely for dex fillers rather than increasing since increasing will not do much different. People who look for dex fillers can simply try to find the pokes they want from the QTT or ask the other shops to see if they have it or not.
I agree on this one. Most dex filler threads usually contain everything that user has and is asking for all the rest. And thats a lot more than 10 or 20.
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While dex filler shops are annoying, I'm against the idea of banning them. However I am for increasing the requirements needed to open up a shop. 20+ offerings seems fair enough. Maybe even extending the requirements from EV/IV shops over to regular shops, but increasing the amount as well. 10+ with the owner's OT & ID.
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Quote originally posted by twistedpuppy:
While dex filler shops are annoying, I'm against the idea of banning them. However I am for increasing the requirements needed to open up a shop. 20+ offerings seems fair enough. Maybe even extending the requirements from EV/IV shops over to regular shops, but increasing the amount as well. 10+ with the owner's OT & ID.
How about we also increase the amount of the pokemons that are in the LF list to those who looks for dex fillers?
That's way we can make sure they will really look for certainly something to make a thread.
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Theres really not that much dex filling shops anymore as there used to be, I'm thinking of changing my shops name, but most of my shop is around dex filling, it does have its fair share of everything else though (DW, EV, Egg-Move, etc). I do agree with the idea of expanding the amount of Pokemon offering and looking for. Some threads just list some Pokemon they want and say they have lots to offer, similar to what kenshin5 said...
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Whilst I am for the idea of increasing the Pokemon offering to a higher number. (15 Anyone? ;o;) I do think that banning dex filler shops is unfair. I do think that some sort of ruling stating that your shop must look presentable, I.e nice layouts, it doesn't have to be CSS but it would look nice.
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Eliminating massive dex filler topics wouldn't really seem to practical as it would one thats looking for a small amount. The person would have to repost what they are looking for in Quick Trade Thread over and over and over again. I'm feeling 20-25 range, 30 at this point seems to be overdoing it. And wasn't there talk about somebody writing a guide on how to make a proper trade shop earlier in the topic? I think that would be helpfully along with the other guides suggested throughout the topic.
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I'd like to throw my support behind increasing the number of Pokémon required for a trade thread and also increasing the number of Pokémon of your own ID/OT that you must be able to offer (excluding event trading threads, obviously).

Another suggestion just came to mind.
I think that if the Pokémon in your thread that you are offering are not your own, you must state its OT and ID. This will allow you to compare them to the Hacked list thread and also allow you to know where it came from.
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I'm not against having people to post the ID/OT. But making it a "must" seems like it would be harder to enforce then what we were talking about not too long ago with the friend codes and suffixes.
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Yeah I don't think it should be necessary to include OT/ID for every Pokemon received in a trade, it'd be better but it's pointless to make it necessary.

and I agree with making the trade thread number a little higher, 10 seems a bit low, although then again, if someone is willing to trade at least 10 Pokemon, they seem like they are actually going to keep the shop and add more, and it'd save them from having to repeatedly post the 10 in the QTT till the trades are fulfilled.
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Quote originally posted by Kenshin5:
I'm not against having people to post the ID/OT. But making it a "must" seems like it would be harder to enforce then what we were talking about not too long ago with the friend codes and suffixes.
I was thinking it could be something that could just be put in the rules and hope that people would follow it. ^_^;;
The only place I can see it being easily enforceable is in shops offering flawless Pokémon.
It'd be more like an unenforced rule. (Forgot to mention that :P)

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and I agree with making the trade thread number a little higher, 10 seems a bit low, although then again, if someone is willing to trade at least 10 Pokemon, they seem like they are actually going to keep the shop and add more, and it'd save them from having to repeatedly post the 10 in the QTT till the trades are fulfilled.
Most people just post a list of the 10 'mons in the QTT and and get offered them by multiple people. It's possible to get those trades done with just one post if your offers are good enough :D

Also, I rechecked the rules and you only need 5 of your Pokémon of your own OT? That's waaaaaay too low. I could have sworn it was 10 (and I still wanted it to be raised).
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Also, I rechecked the rules and you only need 5 of your Pokémon of your own OT? That's waaaaaay too low. I could have sworn it was 10 (and I still wanted it to be raised).
Really?
I thought the last time I check the rule, it is 10?
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@johnny18 Trade threads must have at least 10 Pokémon, this is regarding whether or not the Pokémon are yours
Quote originally posted by The Rules:
Regarding IV/EV Shops...
At least 5 Pokémon offered must have your OT/ID. Filler Pokémon do not count.
Anyway, since there are already rules specific to IV/EV shops, the suggestion I posted above (trade shops must list OT/ID of Pokémon) could be specific to those shops and thus enforced fairly easily. (They were what I had in mind when making the suggestion)
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