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Old September 27th, 2011, 12:23 PM
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Auto Weather isn't broken and many versatile teams can be made from auto-reather, such as rain stall, the most potent abusers itself are those which should be banned. No Ban

Baton Pass is one of the worst things in the metagame right now, even when being used against a good player, it's extremely hard to play around. I'm pretty sure that everyone who uses and plays against BP is that it's a very cheap strategy, BP Chains being a worse offender than Smashpass, which is still potent in its own right. Baton Pass is not even hard countered by perish song, with Mr. Mime and Taunt Users running rampant on them, in fact, you basically need to get a plethora of crits or Choice an extremely powerful attacker to even have a chance at breaking their chain. This is easily the worst suspect. Ban it with the passion of an angry scotsman.

Thundurus I'm on the fence about this guy, I mean, he can be revenge killed if you're packing a Chloro/Sand Rush User, Scarfer or Pokemon of a higher speed tier, but the sheer power that Tdawg has is pretty ridic. Obviously, most of you know what it does to Blissey at +2, and Gastrodon/Swampert are shaky counters at best. Tdawg is pretty easy to revenge kill and can usually die from Life Orb/Residual buildup, but the fact that it's hard to counter makes me lean towards a ban. Ban

Excadrill Again, I'm not sure what to do with Excadrill, but I think it's less than a threat of Thundurus. There are obviously some great arguments against it, while on the other hand, people are moaning that it centralizes the metagame and everyone uses Gliscor solely to beat Excadrill. Obviously, this is an awful argument, while it does hard counter Excadrill, it also beats a myriad of threats that Skarmory would have trouble handling, such as Terrakion, Breloom [Spore], Conkeldurr, etc. Excadrill obviously has a profound impact on the metagame, but I'd be fine with it staying, too. Abstain

Deoxys-S Dear god I hate this thing. What it does is gain you a huge advantage early, it's versality forces you to be cautious, and while you haphazardly protect or switch, he starts laying hazards or setting up screens and you're now at a huge disadvantage. On the other hand, you think it's okay to send in your Gyarados and maybe get up a few DDs while it sets up Screens, and suddenly you get hit with Thunderbolt and are down a mon. This thing supports a team way too well and creates a ton of early leverage. Ban

Dragonite While Inner Focus Dragonite is a decent/good Pokemon, Multiscale Dragonite is a great sweeper with seemingly infinite bulk. I'd like to see Dragonite in OU with Inner Focus, but if that isn't accepted, then the Pokemon itself should go. With Multiscale, Dragonite is nearly impossible to OHKO and even with rocks up, the opportunities you will find to OHKO this thing are slim to none. Multiscale allows it to come in on almost any Pokemon, even things that would normally outspeed and OHKO it and then revenge them. The Bulky DD set is completely devastating to the unprepared opponent, and by unprepared I mean lacking something that hard counters Dragonite, or at least beats the set and the CB Set is just monstrous, and Multiscale allows it to absorb Dragon Pulses, Stone Edges, etc and then smash the attacker back with Outrage. Ban

Volcarona In Sunshine, 252 +1 SpAtk Life Orb Volcarona Fire Blast vs 4 HP/252 SpDef Blissey: 52.45% - 61.81% Ban
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Old October 9th, 2011, 07:15 AM
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2 votes left, both of which are irrelevant at this point. Here are the results! Ps big thanks to RBG for compiling them!

Thundurus: 52 Ban, 19 Do Not Ban, 3 Abstain = 73.24% Ban
Excadrill: 49 Ban, 22 Do Not Ban, 3 Abstain = 69.01% Ban

Deoxys-S: 28 Ban, 40 Do Not Ban, 6 Abstain = 41.17% Ban
Dragonite: 11 Ban, 60 Do Not Ban, 3 Abstain = 15.49% Ban
Volcarona: 15 Ban, 56 Do Not Ban, 3 Abstain = 21.12% Ban

Thundurus got the supermajority it didn't actually need, but either way he's now banned from OU. Excadrill squeaked out a supermajority with a string of Ban votes at the very end, and is also banned from OU.

Dragonite has the honor of being the weakest link.

The bans will be implemented on the Smogon OU ladder as soon as possible.
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As you'll note, I'm an idiot and had Snow Warning as "Hail" for a few votes. Going out on a limb here but I don't think it affected much.

We're missing 6 votes, but those don't affect the outcome (though I'd appreciate it if all 6 of you voted in the Pokemon vote) so to hurry this up up we're going to move to the next stage.

So here are the results:

Sandstorm: 8 Ban, 60 Do Not Ban, 4 Abstain = 11.76% Ban
Drought: 23 Ban, 41 Do Not Ban, 8 Abstain = 35.93% Ban
Drizzle: 26 Ban, 40 Do Not Ban, 6 Abstain = 39.39% Ban
Snow Warning: 5 Ban, 67 Do Not Ban, 0 Abstain = 6.94% Ban
Baton Pass: 38 Ban, 24 Do Not Ban, 10 Abstain = 61.29% Ban

Baton pass receives a simple majority, so it is automatically suspect. Everything else received a minority, with Snow Warning receiving a super-massive minority which is a new term to describe how crushingly OU it is. On to Pokemon voting!
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Old October 9th, 2011, 07:37 AM
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Lol, was just about to post that xD

Well, tbh we all knew it was going to happen. Thundurus is just so hard to play around (For me anyway.) and Exca is just, yeah. Tbh though I don't think baton pass deserved suspect, I understand how deadly Smash Pass can be but I myself had no problems with it and last gen baton pass wasn't so deadly. Imo ban Shell Smash > Baton Pass but whatever.
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Old October 9th, 2011, 07:52 AM
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I really wanted to see Volcarona gone, it sweeps way too consistently and is ridiculously powerful.
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Old October 9th, 2011, 08:59 AM
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I was hoping Deoxys-S would be banned, but at least Thundurus is gone, going to miss Dory though. :(((
Seeing how the "council" will work will be interesting, hopefully OU can improve from it, although I do like the current system. Also Terrakion @ taking over OU y/n.
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Old October 9th, 2011, 09:17 AM
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I still stand by the fact that Thundurus wasn't broken, but eh. It'll be a nice change to see Excadrill out of the metagame. Baton Pass isn't broken. I don't know why people think it is. There are ways to get around it and honestly the only reason why a very well played BP team is so unstoppable is simply because it's unpopular and people are just unwilling to run checks.
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Old October 9th, 2011, 11:24 AM
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I'm glad Excadrill is banned. Running Bronzong and Gliscor on everything was kind of annoying. although bronzong is on my team now and gliscor was on my old one but still It'll be nice when laddering not having to fear running into that. I'm not really bothered about Thundurus although I don't think it was broken. \; I hope that Sand teams won't be as played much if Excadrill has gone. I didn't see many today. :x
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Old October 9th, 2011, 02:02 PM
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Stall looks even better now with Prankster Sableye being released and the best wall breaker from one side of the spectrum (Thudurus) and the best Spinner (Exca) being banned. Though Sableye is a pain in the ass to check if you're using stall. You need Heatran to beat this essentially.

Dunno what we are gonna see replacing exca on sand teams though, Terrakion ? Stoutland ? (lol) I do think Sandslash will when its released, fun fact; LO Jolly Slash has MORE power than Adamant Balloon Excadrill and Stone Edge to boot. Slash can also spin and gets the same moves as Exca coverage wise (X-Scissor etc).
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Old October 9th, 2011, 03:22 PM
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Stall looks even better now with Prankster Sableye being released and the best wall breaker from one side of the spectrum (Thudurus) and the best Spinner (Exca) being banned. Though Sableye is a pain in the ass to check if you're using stall. You need Heatran to beat this essentially.

Dunno what we are gonna see replacing exca on sand teams though, Terrakion ? Stoutland ? (lol) I do think Sandslash will when its released, fun fact; LO Jolly Slash has MORE power than Adamant Balloon Excadrill and Stone Edge to boot. Slash can also spin and gets the same moves as Exca coverage wise (X-Scissor etc).
Sabeleye is a troll to RU/UU Stall, but it can't touch you if you're running Latias [unless it has Toxic], or if you still want to run Gliscor for Taunt, and the ability to stand up to Brokenrakion.
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Old October 9th, 2011, 05:03 PM
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There are a few checks to Sableye and I think everything will adapt. Note that stall also has always had the same issues with physically defensive Mew, who still outspeeds almost everything on stall teams and catches them all with WoW and Taunt. Sableye does have a slightly different niche since it is faster than literally everything and has the opportunity to catch Baton Pass teams (which I think is really its best quality aside from breaking most common stall cores; you will 100% of the time outspeed the Baton Pass to Espeon, whose standard BP set you're immune to as well). Plus it's a ghost type so it blocks spin; I actually was half-ass laddering earlier today and I beat some big name people simply by setting up some hazards, breaking down their spinner with Sableye and then putting intense pressure on with CB Terrakion (who is god btw, only Protect Gliscor can really wall him) and DD Haxorus (who also breaks Baton Pass teams w/ Taunt in an unneeded slot! man look how many checks there really are).

Terrakion and most of those higher speed tier number mons will probably gain in popularity. Excadrill's presence on the metagame was huge and there will probably be a ton of shake-ups, though I gotta say spamming spikestacking works really well since the best spinner in the game is now gone.
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Old October 10th, 2011, 07:30 AM
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I can understand the Excadrill, but some of these other things are little ridiculous. Like Volcarona seems a little crazy. I don't battle much but one of my friends has a Volcarona and I took it out pretty easy. But then again neither of us are pros. The weather seems silly too. Basically I feel you can't win em all. There will be better teams than yours.
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Old October 10th, 2011, 09:41 AM
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I can understand the Excadrill, but some of these other things are little ridiculous. Like Volcarona seems a little crazy. I don't battle much but one of my friends has a Volcarona and I took it out pretty easy. But then again neither of us are pros. The weather seems silly too. Basically I feel you can't win em all. There will be better teams than yours.
Competitive battling isn't the same as casual battling with your friends and such. The issue with Volcarona is that once it's past two QD's, literally nothing can beat it. Even dedicated special walls such as Blissey lose to the ChestoRest set.
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