Community

The PokéCommunity

We are still working on a better slogan!

Visit Index



Go Back   The PokéCommunity Forums > Pokémon Discussions > Pokémon General
Notices

Pokémon General Theories, experiences and other discussions regarding the Pokémon franchise that can't be covered in any of the other boards.

Post Reply
 
Thread Tools
  #1    
Old November 25th, 2003, 07:03 PM
Rift's Avatar
Rift
Let's Venture Onward!
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: The Land of Hyrule
Age: 24
Nature: Jolly
Iv just been wonderin why aint there any grass type legendarys? i mean they dont even use a common type for a legendary? still i think here should be a grass legendary! like a grass bird! XD
This Space For Rent.
  #2    
Old November 25th, 2003, 10:03 PM
Iveechan's Avatar
Iveechan
based on a paperclip
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Dark bowels of Maryland
Gender:
Nature: Rash
Send a message via AIM to Iveechan
I think there should be Grass legends too (Smellabi doesn't count because it's a Mew clone, and unobtainable in a normal fashion). I did make up a Grass legendray beast to compliment Entei, Raikou, and Suikun. It was called Morinu. mori from forest and inu from dog.

I think Nintendo bastardizes grass types. Of the starter types, they have the most weaknesses (5), Grass is offensively bad against many types (6 I think), and many can't learn a variety of special attacks outside of grass, so they have trouble exploiting the high special attack stat (I know there are ones like Sceptile who can learn Crunch and Exeggutor and Psychic, but generally grass types are "powder puffs"). Also we have YET to get our grass-type flamethrower. Leaf Blade was close, but it's exclusive to grovyle/sceptile and is just a grass type slash. And no legendary grass types outside of you know who just shows that Nintendo is mean to one of my favorite types.

It ain't easy being green...

  #3    
Old November 26th, 2003, 12:22 AM
Frostweaver's Avatar
Frostweaver
Ancient + Prehistoric
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Canada
Age: 25
Gender: Male
Nature: Calm
Grass Pokemon are stuck using grass special attacks. Without hidden power, they are even worst than now (and they're already doomed with hidden power). Vileplume has a great sp.att but there is nothing to use. Giga drain is the strongest grass attack Vileplume can learn, but it has poor PP and attack power. Grass types can learn close to nothing in the past. Exeggutor and Celebi brought psychic into the play but psychic is only exclusive to these two grass types. Grass types still have a limited movepool today. Sceptile takes a first step in grass type revolution as it learns a dark and a dragon attack. However the rest of the gang remains "useless" in terms of learning multiple elemental moves.

Nintendo/Gamefreak treats grass types as some weak and incompetent type or something... "without some "cheap shot" attacks, they will die"... that's the thing i'm feeling right now. A vast majority of the grass types have to rely on powders, spores and leech seed in order to be somewhat decent. Only a few is an exception to this.

Razor Leaf is considered a powerful attack, but in comparison to the more commonly used attacks like ice beam and thunderbolt, it is weak in comparison to attack power even if it does have 25 PP... Leaf Blade is not bad, but it is only equal to the elemental punches. It is still one level too low compare to thunderbolt and flamethrower. Not to mention, it's only a signature move hogged by ONE grass type.

What good grass attacks are there? Leaf Blade and Magical Leaf are the only decent grass attacks... The others will have to live with the old razor leaf (hopefully no one will have to resolve to the drains).

Grass type is poor in every way possible in terms of elemental advantages and disadvantages... look up grass type in one of those charts and prepare yourself for complete disappointment for grass elemental properties.

Grass types better get a major buff very soon...
  #4    
Old November 26th, 2003, 08:23 AM
Iveechan's Avatar
Iveechan
based on a paperclip
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Dark bowels of Maryland
Gender:
Nature: Rash
Send a message via AIM to Iveechan
*slaps a leaf hat on Frosty's head*

Welcome to the PTGT (Power To Grass Types) club. While Grass' weakness to Ice does make sense, I think that's the one weakness that should be removed. I mean, Ice is already strong to flying, ground, and dragon, meaning any common water type can take those types down. Some people say that Steel should've had a water and/or electric weakness. I think it would be great if we removed Grass' ice weakness, so the poor darlings wouldn't have to fear some silly water-type's ice attack. Just make ice normal to grass, that's all I'm asking.

Oh yes, more about Morinu: I never made a finalized pic of it, but the way it fits with the other legendary beasts is that after the lightning struck brass tower, and the fire burned, and the water put it out, Morinu brought the surrounding plantlife back. Then again, this life-giving kinda conflicted with Ho-oh. This is why Morinu is a fan-made :D.

  #5    
Old November 26th, 2003, 09:31 AM
Porygon's Avatar
Porygon
Booted out - don't be like me!
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Casting a blaze to Spark a revolution...
Age: 27
Gender:
Nature: Quirky
Send a message via ICQ to Porygon Send a message via AIM to Porygon Send a message via Windows Live Messenger to Porygon Send a message via Yahoo to Porygon
Very interesting. Indeed, the Grasstype doesn't get any respect. It should, because it's the ultimate scourge of the most common typeWater.
  #6    
Old November 26th, 2003, 12:53 PM
Rift's Avatar
Rift
Let's Venture Onward!
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: The Land of Hyrule
Age: 24
Nature: Jolly
Iv just always wonderd cause it seems (in the RBY/GSC) that basically all legendarys were Flying, Fire, Water/ice, Electric, and Psychic...im thankful for R/S cause they stepped out side the box! with rock, steel, dragon...
This Space For Rent.
  #7    
Old November 26th, 2003, 03:51 PM
Spike Razzor's Avatar
Spike Razzor
"Don't argue, you failed..."
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Pokmon GB Strategies & Movesets
Age: 25
Nature: Adamant
Send a message via AIM to Spike Razzor Send a message via Windows Live Messenger to Spike Razzor
Quote:
Originally Posted by Iveechan
*slaps a leaf hat on Frosty's head*

Welcome to the PTGT (Power To Grass Types) club. While Grass' weakness to Ice does make sense, I think that's the one weakness that should be removed. I mean, Ice is already strong to flying, ground, and dragon, meaning any common water type can take those types down. Some people say that Steel should've had a water and/or electric weakness. I think it would be great if we removed Grass' ice weakness, so the poor darlings wouldn't have to fear some silly water-type's ice attack. Just make ice normal to grass, that's all I'm asking.

Oh yes, more about Morinu: I never made a finalized pic of it, but the way it fits with the other legendary beasts is that after the lightning struck brass tower, and the fire burned, and the water put it out, Morinu brought the surrounding plantlife back. Then again, this life-giving kinda conflicted with Ho-oh. This is why Morinu is a fan-made :D.
Most pokemon have weaknesses that make sense, plants don't grow in winter and will die if they make it past Nov. If they took it off People would ask "Why not remove Fires Ground weakness too?". And if Steel shouldn't be weak against Electric/Water, Electric can already travel through Metals but it doesn't distroy it in anyway. And water would just be deflected off of it, either was Steel has horride Sp.Def and would die anyways.

And people there is a grass Legendary, Celebi (Grass/Psychic). Hasn't anyone noticed XD!

I may not post, but I'm watching, waiting... Hehehe.

Last edited by Spike Razzor; November 26th, 2003 at 09:16 PM.
  #8    
Old November 26th, 2003, 04:06 PM
Rift's Avatar
Rift
Let's Venture Onward!
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: The Land of Hyrule
Age: 24
Nature: Jolly
I dont really consider Celibi grass...just becasue its green but its unobtaimable in the US games (even though i have one)
This Space For Rent.
  #9    
Old November 26th, 2003, 07:43 PM
Frostweaver's Avatar
Frostweaver
Ancient + Prehistoric
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Canada
Age: 25
Gender: Male
Nature: Calm
Quote:
Originally Posted by Spike Razzor
Most pokemon have weaknesses that make sense, plants don't grow in winter and will die if they make it past Nov. If they took it off People would ask "Why not remove Fires Ground weakness too?". And if Steel shouldn't be weak against Electric/Water, Electric can already travel through Metals but it doesn't distroy it in anyway. And water would just be deflected off of it, either was Steel has horride Sp.Def and would die anyways.

And people there is a grass Legendary, Celebi (Grass/Psychic). Hasn't anyone noticed XD!
we did mention Celebi but we don't really consider it as one (psychic dominate).

Now before words are stuffed into my mouth, I never commented on the ice weakness removal thing so don't point the trident at me... point it to the right person *redirects target board to Iveechan* ;;

Now birds eat berries (grass), or use their brances (grass) for nests. So the flying weakness make sense. Fire is too obvious. The cold kills off the plants (or majority of it) so can't complain there. Toxic poisons the plant and eventually the plant will die. Everything about plant's elemental weakness seems sensible, right?

But wait a second... how does a little bug squash some psychic freak? And how come ghosts are weak to dark? I don't see logic there... It's unfair how we'll apply logic to weaken grass types, while we break all laws of physics in order to "balance" out the other types. Why can't we break some laws of physics as well in order to balance out grass type disadvantage?
  #10    
Old November 26th, 2003, 09:14 PM
Spike Razzor's Avatar
Spike Razzor
"Don't argue, you failed..."
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Pokmon GB Strategies & Movesets
Age: 25
Nature: Adamant
Send a message via AIM to Spike Razzor Send a message via Windows Live Messenger to Spike Razzor
Quote:
Originally Posted by frostweaver
we did mention Celebi but we don't really consider it as one (psychic dominate).

Now before words are stuffed into my mouth, I never commented on the ice weakness removal thing so don't point the trident at me... point it to the right person *redirects target board to Iveechan* ;;

Now birds eat berries (grass), or use their brances (grass) for nests. So the flying weakness make sense. Fire is too obvious. The cold kills off the plants (or majority of it) so can't complain there. Toxic poisons the plant and eventually the plant will die. Everything about plant's elemental weakness seems sensible, right?

But wait a second... how does a little bug squash some psychic freak? And how come ghosts are weak to dark? I don't see logic there... It's unfair how we'll apply logic to weaken grass types, while we break all laws of physics in order to "balance" out the other types. Why can't we break some laws of physics as well in order to balance out grass type disadvantage?
Whoops, sorry Frost *feels dumb o_o()*. My computer was slow when I was posting.

I may not post, but I'm watching, waiting... Hehehe.

Last edited by Spike Razzor; November 26th, 2003 at 09:21 PM.
  #11    
Old November 26th, 2003, 09:44 PM
Rift's Avatar
Rift
Let's Venture Onward!
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: The Land of Hyrule
Age: 24
Nature: Jolly
dont feel dumb! SR! i used to think Celibi was pure grass a few years ago! ;
This Space For Rent.
  #12    
Old November 27th, 2003, 04:11 AM
Spike Razzor's Avatar
Spike Razzor
"Don't argue, you failed..."
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Pokmon GB Strategies & Movesets
Age: 25
Nature: Adamant
Send a message via AIM to Spike Razzor Send a message via Windows Live Messenger to Spike Razzor
When I saw it for the first time on my friends Gold version I though it was Grass/Flying, but When we linked up to battle it was using Psychic moves. Needless to say it couldn't really stand up long my Tyranitar, my friend had no clue that there was a Dark type abd had no clue why Psychic wasn't doing anything XD!

I may not post, but I'm watching, waiting... Hehehe.

Last edited by Spike Razzor; November 27th, 2003 at 04:15 AM.
  #13    
Old November 27th, 2003, 07:46 AM
igtica's Avatar
igtica
Mmmm....Cheesecake
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Cheesecake ^_^
Gender: Female
Nature: Quirky
I gotta say, even if you avoid the facts, Celebi if a grass type. Therefore it is a legendary grass type, like mew is a legendary psychic. Though technically, the legendary was only ever originally given to those of that status i.e articuno, zapdos, moltres and arcanine. Obviously Raikou, Suicune and Entei are the next of the second generation, and are given the status. The 3 Regis (Regirock, Regice and Registeel) are that of the 3rd generation,. Yet it could be argued that other rare pokemon such as celebi, mew are mot actually classified as legendary. Yet because they are so rare they actually have the status put upon them also as they have a similar appeal etc as the birds and dogs. Yet i'll always call them that. The point is, mew, celebi, kyogre etc are regarded as legendary means that celebi is a legendary grass type. Shouldn't you really be arguing for a legendary dark or bug or any of the other types which are not represented in this limited, and special regarded group of pokemon?
  #14    
Old November 27th, 2003, 06:52 PM
Iveechan's Avatar
Iveechan
based on a paperclip
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Dark bowels of Maryland
Gender:
Nature: Rash
Send a message via AIM to Iveechan
Personally, I dislike legendary Pokemon. RS added way too many, and you can't use them on teams because people always complain about them. Also, Celebi is unobtainable, so I don't consider it a true legend (along with mew, jirachi, and deoxys). But if a future installment did have the nerve to add more legends, they should make a grass one that is obtainable at the very least.

And some plants grow in the winter... just look at evergreen trees . Water is sensitive to pollution, so how come it's not weak to poison?

  #15    
Old November 27th, 2003, 07:05 PM
Frostweaver's Avatar
Frostweaver
Ancient + Prehistoric
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Canada
Age: 25
Gender: Male
Nature: Calm
Water should be weak to poison... makes sludge bomb much more usable then. Also weakens water type by quite a bit. And now at least we can point and laugh at Kyogre that it can't block everything after calm mind then ;;
  #16    
Old November 27th, 2003, 07:23 PM
shiny_jiggly's Avatar
shiny_jiggly
Pu? (Clueless?)
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Pu?
Age: 25
Send a message via Windows Live Messenger to shiny_jiggly
Quote:
Originally Posted by Iveechan
Personally, I dislike legendary Pokemon. RS added way too many, and you can't use them on teams because people always complain about them. Also, Celebi is unobtainable, so I don't consider it a true legend (along with mew, jirachi, and deoxys). But if a future installment did have the nerve to add more legends, they should make a grass one that is obtainable at the very least.

And some plants grow in the winter... just look at evergreen trees . Water is sensitive to pollution, so how come it's not weak to poison?
True. I think every pokemon ought to have it's own legend/origins.
There should be two kinds of poison. One is from plants and the other's pollution.
Announcement!: I've switched usernames to "Purin";;
  #17    
Old November 27th, 2003, 07:56 PM
Spike Razzor's Avatar
Spike Razzor
"Don't argue, you failed..."
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Pokmon GB Strategies & Movesets
Age: 25
Nature: Adamant
Send a message via AIM to Spike Razzor Send a message via Windows Live Messenger to Spike Razzor
I'll show you why Water isn't weak against poison. Lets say you have a Chinchou and an Ekans, if Ekans uses Sludge to try and poison it then all Chinchou would need to do it wash itself off. When you have stuff like Poison on open Water then it would wash away.

I may not post, but I'm watching, waiting... Hehehe.
  #18    
Old November 27th, 2003, 08:16 PM
Frostweaver's Avatar
Frostweaver
Ancient + Prehistoric
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Canada
Age: 25
Gender: Male
Nature: Calm
Quote:
Originally Posted by Spike Razzor
I'll show you why Water isn't weak against poison. Lets say you have a Chinchou and an Ekans, if Ekans uses Sludge to try and poison it then all Chinchou would need to do it wash itself off. When you have stuff like Poison on open Water then it would wash away.
Hmm... say that to the world leaders who panic every time some toxic materials are spilled into the water.

Try spilling a barrel of toxic waste into a river. Next morning you get dead fishes floating on the river x_x
  #19    
Old November 27th, 2003, 09:04 PM
Iveechan's Avatar
Iveechan
based on a paperclip
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Dark bowels of Maryland
Gender:
Nature: Rash
Send a message via AIM to Iveechan
Every type (except maybe normal) should have physical and special weaknesses, imho.
  #20    
Old November 27th, 2003, 09:15 PM
Kairi's Avatar
Kairi
The Original $staff_title
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Gender: Female
Nature: Adamant
Send a message via Windows Live Messenger to Kairi
This is really true of dark... maybe grass? Makes no sense, but it would make grass attacks more useful. I always say grass to dark but meh.
  #21    
Old November 28th, 2003, 12:15 PM
Spike Razzor's Avatar
Spike Razzor
"Don't argue, you failed..."
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Pokmon GB Strategies & Movesets
Age: 25
Nature: Adamant
Send a message via AIM to Spike Razzor Send a message via Windows Live Messenger to Spike Razzor
Quote:
Originally Posted by frostweaver
Hmm... say that to the world leaders who panic every time some toxic materials are spilled into the water.

Try spilling a barrel of toxic waste into a river. Next morning you get dead fishes floating on the river x_x
Well who said anything about a barrel full? No Pokemon could spit out enough poison to distroy a river. And once again, the river washes away the toxic waste. lol some animals take a drink an die. *thinks of a deer dying an falling into a river* XD!

I may not post, but I'm watching, waiting... Hehehe.
  #22    
Old November 28th, 2003, 06:53 PM
Greed's Avatar
Greed
Booted out - don't be like me!
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Nature: Rash
I really don't like that Grass are left out P_P

Why do so many legendary pokemon are psychics?! I mean, here's Mew, Mewtwo, Celebi, Lugia, Latios, Latias, and such.. >_<;And I also dislike that also water pokemon are legendary.. *shakes head* So many water pokemon..

But I am a tree hugger! I also like grasses! *hugs Bellosom* But my most fav is Dark, they stopped Psychic's reign of terror ;

*gets killed by psychics*
  #23    
Old December 1st, 2003, 04:04 PM
E. Master's Avatar
E. Master
Ho-oh Master
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Tin Tower
Gender:
Will they ever make a grass stone evolution of eevee? Because I'm waiting for it because I have every form of eevee on my Ruby and it is 100% compleat (ecsept for deoxys) I have 5 or 4 trainer stars and all I know it is compleat and is there some rare grass ledendary that runs around like latias and latios?
  #24    
Old December 1st, 2003, 04:09 PM
Frostweaver's Avatar
Frostweaver
Ancient + Prehistoric
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Canada
Age: 25
Gender: Male
Nature: Calm
no Celebi is the only grass legendary...

many people always wanted a new eeveelution for (insert an element here.) I think they went eevee-overboard enough already... there won't be any new eeveelution. Plus eeveelutions are based on stats too. All stats are taken except for defense... so we'll just end up with some tangela wanna-be grass eeveelution in the end o.o;;

Last edited by Frostweaver; December 1st, 2003 at 04:18 PM.
  #25    
Old December 1st, 2003, 04:17 PM
punkie90's Avatar
punkie90
You can call me PK!
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Florida, United States
Age: 24
Gender:
Send a message via AIM to punkie90 Send a message via Windows Live Messenger to punkie90 Send a message via Yahoo to punkie90
I want there to be a rock eevee!

Hey its not that bad of a Idea!
punkie90's Offical Signature Version 1

Paired with Orange*Berry luckly!
Person I'm most alike
ashley03

Lover is
Kayleigh


Person I admire!

Lightning

My Hommies...

Dizzy
Moonlight
100marios
Iggy
Purin
Kairi
wings
YAS1
Carol
Arwen (Why is she on the list? J/K)
Post Reply
Quick Reply

Sponsored Links
Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Minimum Characters Per Post: 25



All times are UTC -8. The time now is 02:13 AM.

About Us
© 2002 - 2014 The PokéCommunity™, pokecommunity.com. Pokémon characters and images belong to The Pokémon Company International and Nintendo. This website is in no way affiliated with or endorsed by Nintendo, Creatures, GAMEFREAK, The Pokémon Company or The Pokémon Company International. We just love Pokémon.

Copyright
All forum styles, their images (unless noted otherwise) and site designs are © 2002 - 2014 The PokéCommunity / PokéCommunity.com. PokéCommunity™ is a trademark of The PokéCommunity. All rights reserved. Sponsor advertisements do not imply our endorsement of that product or service. User generated content remains the property of its creator. Header artwork by Jordanice of deviantART.

Social Media
If you would like to stay up-to-date with us on the go, when we're down, or other such things, follow us on social media sites--most notibly Twitter, Facebook, and Google Plus--by clicking on the links provided.

Design presented by Peitharchia. Special thanks to Hiroshi Sotomura and Ausaudriel.